Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11 - 2/18/09

[Tamikosmom]

Here is an actual translation of the article written yesterday about a new search.

Dave Holloway won’t give up to search for Natalee

By Maaike Ruepert
February 16, 2009
http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

After four years since her disappearance the investigation concerning the missing Natalee Holloway seems to be stuck. But Natalees’ father Dave Holloway wants, together with a few American experts, to go and search himself again.

An 80 metres long ship, equipped with modern diving equipment is ready to leave for Aruba. It has cost a mere 5 million dollars to dive up the 150 objects in the Caribbean sea and to dig through a pond to search for a trace of Natalee. An American team, specialised in finding missing people, is willing to spend that amount of money but is waiting in vain for support from Hans Mos, chief prosecutor on Aruba, says Natalee’s father Dave Holloway.

Holloway let’s us know from his place of residence Meridian, Mississippi that he almost has lost every faith in the Aruban judicial system. “What’s happening on Aruba is quite peculiar”.

The latter is calling from Llano, Texas, where he is searching for a 2-year old missing boy. Miller founded the company TexasEquuSearch after the abduction & murder on his daughter Laura and organised several searches for Natalee in 2005. Last year Silvetti searched the seabed in search of a trail from the American girl for months with his ship Persistence.

“We have a witness who says that he saw suspect Joran van der Sloot walking in the night of my daughters disappearance; up to his waist in the mud and walking on one tennis shoe, and later Joran and his father have been seen seen driving a red jeep”, says Dave Holloway. The witness suspects that Joran has been in a pond a bit further on. Holloway: “I would like the pond to be investigated. Probably Jorans’ shoe is in it.” If the tennis shoe is found in the pond, forensic expert Richard Eikelenboom from laboratory IFS for DNA research sees possibilities for a DNA research. “Our company might get DNA from it.''

Chief Public Prosecutor Mos does not want to examine the water though. “That Joran was near that water is no more than an assumption from that witness”, he explains from Oranjestad. “If I have to follow everything, I’m busy all day. And even if I would find something, it still wouldn’t be evidence that Joran has done something.”


Father Holloway doesn’t understand. “Even if it’s not evidence, it can help you get started. As a prosecutor, you have the obligation to investigate thoroughly. He is saying that Jorans’ father Paul van der Slot is a good man, a friend. I wonder if corruption plays a part.”


Holloway, Silvetti and Miller have put the witness through a lie detector test; done by a former CIA agent. The man passed it with flying colors, but the OM doesn’t want to include the results in the Holloway file. “I wasn’t allowed to interfere,” Miller says angrily. “But Natalee is an American, she is one of our girls. We put our best people on it, our best tools, so everybody who loved Natalee and the Arubans can case close the case.''

For example, John Silvetti has taken samples from the pond bottom to determine how deep they have to dig for to find something from four years ago. Silvetti: “I have asked Mos to send samples to the FBI, because I’m not allowed to do that. But as far as I know, those samples are still in the refrigerator at the police station. Mos hasn’t answered the phone for months and won’t call back either. This case stinks. Mos has killed that research.''

Mos says he doesn’t know anything about the taken samples. He labels the criticism as emotion. “They can go ahead if they want to, as long as they inform us,” he says. “I’m not hindering them. I have no idea where that idea is coming from. I really want to solve the case. But I only put the police on matters when there are specific leads. If it would be up to them, they would turn the whole island upside down. The Persistence has only found one object and that didn’t lead to anything. I don’t think we will find anything in the ocean.”

When Silvetti hears the last remark, he almost jumps out of his skin. “What a disgusting allegation,” he says. “On the seabed we have found 150 items coming from people we want to investigate.''

Forensic expert Richard Eikelenboom confirms that there is a chance that the body or clothing of Natalee is found on the seabed. “Seawater is worse for DNA than water,''he says, "but even then there are opportunities for research, especially if the body is found.'' Eikelenboom recommends to dive up the objects and store them under water. The pieces are to be taken out of the water during the DNA research. “Of course, with time & aqueous conditions the DNA will deteriorate.”


Dave Holloway is concerned that the case will be covered up. “The police have done nothing other than to ruin everything. Mos is saying that the case has cost more than 7.5 million Euro. I think to myself: they didn’t have to spend that much money. The case could have been solved a long time ago already.” Tim Miller: “With all the quests we've undertaken already, we have saved the authorities millions of dollars. For us it’s only about finding the girl.”
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So what's the hold up?  They say they've got the money, got the boat - and are ready to go.

jen ... where did this translation originate.

Thanks

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Project Manager Marc Broussard said, "We met the Holloway family and as parents ourselves we wanted to help out, give our all and give them the Cajun spirit to motivate them to go out there, to find this child and bring her home."

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role.

The trip is funded through donations.

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813

A Kemah businessman has been on the front lines of the search for Natalee, spending over a million dollars of his own money. Over the past four months, he's paid for an underwater search.

The morning we were there, Louis Schafer was signing a wire transfer for $250,000. The money used to operate a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5935135





Kemah businessman, Louis Schafer, has personally spent in excess of a million dollars over the last four months funding a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence. This aptly named ship, and her wonderful crew, have surveyed the entire 50-square miles area off Aruba. Schafer says, "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. We have about 150 more targets to inspect." Any one of those remaining 150 "targets" could be the remains of our missing American teenager. He went on to say, "We have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea."

Unfortunately, right now... with the recovery of Natalee within our grasp, the money has run out.
http://www.meridianstar.com/opinion/local_story_062005533.html

1 Million dollars from Silvetti including a wire transfer of 250,000.00  AND ALL THE DONATIONS DAVE COULD Provide.

NOT A DIME MENTIONED FROM BETH ... Not a penny !!

Never the less..
The amount of money spent for the Persistence does not add up to one million dollars and all the money donated to the Holloway's..

Then you have to consider the fact that some oil company has also paid Silvetti to Map that ocean floor off Aruba.
The captain did not have to be informed of that nor did anybody on that boat need to be informed of that.. Some oil company stripped the Holloway's of ALL there donation money to help fund their own ocean floor mapping expedition off Aruba.
I think Silvetti got ALL of his One Million back..
Beth never spent a dime of money donated her way.. She uses that for her own mission.

Yet Silvetti says we are out of money... WHO pulled his string ?

Any way I cut this up it does looked rigged to strip the Holloway's of donation money..

Beth has stayed out of this... Yet the Frog says she works with Beth's knowlege and understanding of the frogs mission ...


Very interesting Indeed.. This is as Hinky as it gets.. 
jmho

I agree.

Thanks Edward.

Janet

[nonesuche]

I do have some concerns as to what "the family" is being told by people who post such outrageous and unfounded things as monkeys claiming the family recovered the remains and kept it secret.

Who knows what they have been told by these posters who can't keep anything straight.

And no one has made ANY claims about anything other than Kyle.  It is only his own words that have been posted and nothing asserted by anybody else.

Exactly Anna.  That's why I gave up long ago trying to reason with some people.  It gets so old after a while that scrollin scrollin scrollin is a good thing.

And no please don't consider this a drive by.  I've been gone for a few weeks.  When I would try to log on to SM I couldn't get any pages to load.  Was very frustrating.  Got home late Sunday night and I'm trying to catch up.  As far as different writing skills I prolly know  why but it would not help bring justice for Natalee so I'll just be quiet.  Goodness only knows what has been said about me in the hidey holes, but I really couldn't care less.  You sure can sort out true friends real quick.

Oh and I'm sure if Red had information that he could share I'm sure he would.  Or if he was not pleased with the direction our conversation was going I'm sure he'd let us know that too.  I trust him.  I trust the frog.  I stand with the girl. 

THANK YOU BOTH - well said !

[Anna]

I have to run out for a bit but I will ask RED later and see if he got this phone call LDSTLOU is referring to. 

Well, there is not any reason for anyone to be disgusted with anybody other than young Kyle unless they have been lied to about who said what. 

Kyle has been the one doing all the talking/posting.  No one else has ever claimed to know anything about the search other than what Kyle said.

So how could anybody be disgusted unless they have been misinformed?  Again.

[Anna]

I do have some concerns as to what "the family" is being told by people who post such outrageous and unfounded things as monkeys claiming the family recovered the remains and kept it secret.

Who knows what they have been told by these posters who can't keep anything straight.

And no one has made ANY claims about anything other than Kyle.  It is only his own words that have been posted and nothing asserted by anybody else.

Exactly Anna.  That's why I gave up long ago trying to reason with some people.  It gets so old after a while that scrollin scrollin scrollin is a good thing.

And no please don't consider this a drive by.  I've been gone for a few weeks.  When I would try to log on to SM I couldn't get any pages to load.  Was very frustrating.  Got home late Sunday night and I'm trying to catch up.  As far as different writing skills I prolly know  why but it would not help bring justice for Natalee so I'll just be quiet.  Goodness only knows what has been said about me in the hidey holes, but I really couldn't care less.  You sure can sort out true friends real quick.

Oh and I'm sure if Red had information that he could share I'm sure he would.  Or if he was not pleased with the direction our conversation was going I'm sure he'd let us know that too.  I trust him.  I trust the frog.  I stand with the girl. 

THANK YOU BOTH - well said !

And as with all high profile cases, there are always those so desperate to insert themselves into the case they will literally say and do anything including misinform and make false claims about others.  We all know how this works from watching other cases and the bevy of people of this stripe they always attract.

[Tamikosmom]

ldstlou- I wonder daily how Red, or Klaas, or even Jug ever get any of their work done due to complaints and copious emails from posters like you !

Stop your personal attacks and answer the questions others have asked of you. I didn't ask any questions of you - or were you smiling and laughing too much to notice?

or better yet.......go get some work done for your family? I intend to.........later

Lou ... please give your perspective on Kyle Kingman's own words ... would that imply John Silvetti was a participant to the Aruban coverup agenda and ... Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in the trap/cage.

Lou ... I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words and ... those words make me so angry ... so frustrated ... so sad.  If Natalee's remains were in the trap/cage ... the opportunity to bring her home to her family to rest on US soil may have been lost forever ... compliments of not only the Arubans but also ... Americans.

Janet

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THE PERSISTENCE DECEPTION

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

John Silvetti

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Fabric - Tarp - Vertibre - Skull

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle:  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle:   … John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle:  I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form.  Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of  vertebrae.

Kyle: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle:  The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle:  In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand.  Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle:  … Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.  In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

[texasmom]

Project Manager Marc Broussard said, "We met the Holloway family and as parents ourselves we wanted to help out, give our all and give them the Cajun spirit to motivate them to go out there, to find this child and bring her home."

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role.

The trip is funded through donations.

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813

A Kemah businessman has been on the front lines of the search for Natalee, spending over a million dollars of his own money. Over the past four months, he's paid for an underwater search.

The morning we were there, Louis Schafer was signing a wire transfer for $250,000. The money used to operate a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5935135





Kemah businessman, Louis Schafer, has personally spent in excess of a million dollars over the last four months funding a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence. This aptly named ship, and her wonderful crew, have surveyed the entire 50-square miles area off Aruba. Schafer says, "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. We have about 150 more targets to inspect." Any one of those remaining 150 "targets" could be the remains of our missing American teenager. He went on to say, "We have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea."

Unfortunately, right now... with the recovery of Natalee within our grasp, the money has run out.
http://www.meridianstar.com/opinion/local_story_062005533.html

1 Million dollars from Silvetti including a wire transfer of 250,000.00  AND ALL THE DONATIONS DAVE COULD Provide.

NOT A DIME MENTIONED FROM BETH ... Not a penny !!

Never the less..
The amount of money spent for the Persistence does not add up to one million dollars and all the money donated to the Holloway's..

Then you have to consider the fact that some oil company has also paid Silvetti to Map that ocean floor off Aruba.
The captain did not have to be informed of that nor did anybody on that boat need to be informed of that.. Some oil company stripped the Holloway's of ALL there donation money to help fund their own ocean floor mapping expedition off Aruba.
I think Silvetti got ALL of his One Million back..
Beth never spent a dime of money donated her way.. She uses that for her own mission.

Yet Silvetti says we are out of money... WHO pulled his string ?

Any way I cut this up it does looked rigged to strip the Holloway's of donation money..

Beth has stayed out of this... Yet the Frog says she works with Beth's knowlege and understanding of the frogs mission ...


Very interesting Indeed.. This is as Hinky as it gets.. 
jmho

I agree.

Thanks Edward.

Janet

The videos can be viewed over in the Ocean Search thread at the bottom of Page 7.

Both newscasts were from November 2007 when the Persistence left Louisiana for Aruba.

The first screenshot is from KATC, the other is from KLFY.

[Tamikosmom]

ldstlou- I wonder daily how Red, or Klaas, or even Jug ever get any of their work done due to complaints and copious emails from posters like you !

Stop your personal attacks and answer the questions others have asked of you. I didn't ask any questions of you - or were you smiling and laughing too much to notice?

or better yet.......go get some work done for your family? I intend to.........later

Lou ... please respond.

Thank you.

Janet

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Jen, can you explain to me why if John Silvetti is so dirty and corrupt, that the family and Tim Miller still trusts him enough to do another search?

<snipped>

Lou ... the December 30th dive shown on Dateline convinced me and the viewing audience that the contents of the cage were not related to the Natalee Holloway case.  After all ... Tim Trahan ... an American diver ... gave the thumbs down.

Could it be that following the the December 30th dive ... Tim Miller came to the conclusion that his and Kyle's analysis of the the ROV images was flawed?  After all ... Tim Trahan ... an American diver ... gave the thumbs down.

In other words ... Tim Miller is unaware of Kyle Kingman words regarding his observations of the happenings on board the Persistence that imply that John Silvetti and Tim Trahan were participants in the finale to the great Aruban coverup.

Janet

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #737 on: March 18, 2008, 04:06:17 PM »

Kyle ... my frustration stems from the fact that Tim Miller informed Natalee's parents that the find was not related to their daughter and ... the responses of Beth and Dave were quoted.

I give Tim Miller the benefit of the doubt that he had a foundation of information/knowledge prior to giving them the heartbreaking news pertaining the diver's investigation of the cage/trape.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »

-Your frustration mirrors my own.  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.  It was a royal mess.  I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family.  In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed.  He couldn't wait.  He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident.  It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth.  This was Dec 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.740

[texasmom]

Project Manager Marc Broussard said, "We met the Holloway family and as parents ourselves we wanted to help out, give our all and give them the Cajun spirit to motivate them to go out there, to find this child and bring her home."

The one hundred and twenty five foot boat is usually used for off-shore mapping and navigation for oil companies. Now the boat will take on a different role.

The trip is funded through donations.

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7429813

A Kemah businessman has been on the front lines of the search for Natalee, spending over a million dollars of his own money. Over the past four months, he's paid for an underwater search.

The morning we were there, Louis Schafer was signing a wire transfer for $250,000. The money used to operate a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5935135





Kemah businessman, Louis Schafer, has personally spent in excess of a million dollars over the last four months funding a sophisticated, deep sea survey boat, named the Persistence. This aptly named ship, and her wonderful crew, have surveyed the entire 50-square miles area off Aruba. Schafer says, "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. We have about 150 more targets to inspect." Any one of those remaining 150 "targets" could be the remains of our missing American teenager. He went on to say, "We have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea."

Unfortunately, right now... with the recovery of Natalee within our grasp, the money has run out.
http://www.meridianstar.com/opinion/local_story_062005533.html

1 Million dollars from Silvetti including a wire transfer of 250,000.00  AND ALL THE DONATIONS DAVE COULD Provide.

NOT A DIME MENTIONED FROM BETH ... Not a penny !!

Never the less..
The amount of money spent for the Persistence does not add up to one million dollars and all the money donated to the Holloway's..

Then you have to consider the fact that some oil company has also paid Silvetti to Map that ocean floor off Aruba.
The captain did not have to be informed of that nor did anybody on that boat need to be informed of that.. Some oil company stripped the Holloway's of ALL there donation money to help fund their own ocean floor mapping expedition off Aruba.
I think Silvetti got ALL of his One Million back..
Beth never spent a dime of money donated her way.. She uses that for her own mission.

Yet Silvetti says we are out of money... WHO pulled his string ?

Any way I cut this up it does looked rigged to strip the Holloway's of donation money..

Beth has stayed out of this... Yet the Frog says she works with Beth's knowlege and understanding of the frogs mission ...


Very interesting Indeed.. This is as Hinky as it gets.. 
jmho

I agree.

Thanks Edward.

Janet

[Anna]

Monkeys repeated Kyle's own words.

How is that so disgusting?  Unless of course, something other than this is being claimed.

[Tamikosmom]

Life outside the computer room beckons.

Later, Janet
11:35 AM PT

[texasmom]

Nut or 2NJ, if you can please delete my post #767; not sure what happened there.  I was having trouble posting the one with the screenshots so I guess I ended up with a duplicate somehow.

Thanks!  

[caesu]

Discontent at the police force

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52869.php

police officers are unhappy about promotions and bonuses.

"police chief De Witte better go back to his own country"
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Father Natalee goes searching again

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52866.php

(this is from the AD article)

[Kermit]

A maze, you say?      Yes, it is.  I ended up looking a Canadian companies last week and got lost in it.   They all seem interconnected with projects and big energy companies.   

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars. This may well have been why it had come to Aruba. The island is one of the many Caribbean tax-havens famous for their relaxed off-shore regulations popular at the shady side of the money business.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
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MAFIA HEROIN-MOVERS:
Gambino family
Cunterras
Michael Posner
http://www.ipsn.org/themob.html


The Aruba trip was a turning point for me. Besides cashing in the main event, I made a final table of a side tourney, made good money in side cash games – and most importantly met someone who turned me on to the idea of propping online. He had been doing it for about a year and explained the how the deals worked. It sounded intriguing and I looked into it when I returned home.
As most of you know, propping involves starting new tables, playing heads-up, and playing short-handed. As soon as a table fills up and the game gets good, you have to leave the table.
http://guinnessandpoker.blogspot.com/2005_07_03_archive.html

HOW THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED:
The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes.
<snip>
Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey.
<snip>
According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino
<snip>
DEA agent David Lorino, the case-officer in Operation Wiseguy, claims that "when the Cuntrera's moved to Venezuela they carried some 15 to 30 million dollars with them, which were invested in hotels in Caracas, but also on Curaçao and Aruba."
<snip>
"He told us that his ships transported narcotics and money from Caracas to Aruba and Europe," says Lorino. As mentioned before Canadian investigations show that the clan used Aruba as a trampoline for cocaine to North America. (72)
<snip>
The island has been a smugglers' paradise - admits Prime Minister Eman.
<snip>
The US Attorneys Office in Miami gathered an insight in this pattern when, in December 1993, it indicted – among others – Aruban business-men Randy Habibe and Jossy Arends in its case against the La Costa Cartel. This 'enterprise' is accused to have smuggled some 80 tons of cocaine and 250,000 pounds of marijuana to the United States, and laundering some 800 million US dollars from 1980 onwards.

The Arubans managed the logistics. They brought in the precursor chemicals necessary for the
production of cocaine out the coca leaves; they bought the planes and ships to transport the merchandise; and last but not least, they laundered the proceeds through the accounts of their import-export firms in the Aruban Free Zone, skimming a percentage for their services.
<snip>
The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings.
<snip>
The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.
<snip>
company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

WHO HANDLED CONTRACTS = PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm

INTRICATE WEAVING IN ARUBA OFFICIALS:

SPECIALIST IN OFFSHORE INVESTMENT:
* Johan Sjiem Fat and Lincoln Gomez are on the board of directors of
   Aruba Financial Center Association.

Antonio Carlos worked for Johan Paul Sjiem Fat, Sjiem Fat & Sjiem Fat, Aruba
Johan Paul Sjiem Fat considers the impact of these three countries on the tax regime operating in Aruba. http://www.offshoreinvestment.com/magazine/issue?id=87

Antonio Carlos – represents Joran van der Sloot

Lincoln Gomez is the President of the Board of Directors for Aruba Financial Center Association along with the law firm that represents Joran van der Sloot

Lincoln Gomez worked at:  Zielinski, Gonzalez and Gibbs, who at that time was outside counsel to the Ministry of Justice.

Mr. Gomez has acted as an aid to the Minister of Public Works in Aruba in charge with the development of infrastructure and urban planning. He has also acted as assistant general-counsel for the Ministry of Justice and the Permanent Secretary to the Council of Ministers of Aruba.

Mr. Gomez is (was) a director and shareholder of numerous companies including: ZGB Trust Services Aruba N.V., Golden Rainmaker Telecom Services N.V., Aruba E-Trade Center N.V., Conexxions Airlines N.V. and Tony Roma’s Partners (Aruba).
He was alos on the board of directors for Charles Croes company – Digicel.

You don't remember Mr. Gomez who came out in the very early stages of the case and gave an interview on Greta. Kind of odd isn' it?  I don't think he needed the $150.00 pay for the Fox Interview.


* Gomez is in charge of litigation, corporate Finance and Telcom forAFCA
http://www.afca-aruba.com/news/new_fiscal_framework.html

* Andin C.G. Bikker, President of the Aruba Financial Center Association. Partner @ Gomez & Bikker Law Offices, in charge of Litigation, Corporate Finance & Telecom.
http://www.afca-aruba.com/news/new_fiscal_framework.html

Nilo Swaen - He is the Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs
http://www.exxun.com/Aruba/j_cf.html
Nilo Swaen is a member of OCTA(Overseas Countries and Territories Association)

CMB BANK – Arlene Ellis-Schipper – board of director

Aruba Hotel & Touism Association
Pesquera, President & CEO
Bill Carson, CMB Carribean Mercantile Bank;
David Smith, Valero Refinery;
Rick Zeolla, Marriott Resorts
Rob Smith, Aruba Westin Resort & Casablanca Casino
Peter Steinmetz, AAA, Aruba Airport Authority


JUDGE SMID - participated in the Carribean Financial Task Force as expert on money laundering. (the Judge who let the suspects free) http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf

JUDGE SMID: let Paulus van der Sloot win damages case that was later overturned.
Father of Holloway suspect wins damages for detention
3 August 2006
The judge in the civil case stressed his ruling related solely to Paul van der Sloot. Paulus won his suit to be dismissed as a suspect in November. The judge was Rick Smid
http://tinyurl.com/rbfae


In January, federal prosecutors in New York issued an 88-count indictment charging 17 defendants with operating an illegal gambling business that, over the last four years, brokered more than $200 million
in bets on horse racing and other sporting events.
<snip>
Besides the Lakes Region race track, the other entities named in the indictment include Racing and Gaming Services (St. Kitts); Euro Track (Isle of Man); Tonkawa Indian Reservation (Oklahoma); Coeur d’Alene Casino (Idaho); International Racing Corp. (Curacao); Elite Turf Club
(Curacao); Excelsior Casino (Aruba); Capital Sports Limited (Australia),
and Darwin All Sports (Australia).

<snip>

-- the U.S. Attorney this week announced he would retry 20 counts of a bribery conspiracy case that a federal jury failed to reach verdicts on.
http://www.greyhoundaction.org.uk/iUSAnews.html
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Mike Posner's poker tournament free Excelsior Casino.
http://1-500netpoker.com/holdem-poker-for-palm/poker-tournament-free.htm


Mike Posner's Excelsior Casino
http://024-texas-holdem-poker.net/video-poker.aspx

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Aruba under control of Mafia:
http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

TITO: HE LEFT THE ISLAND BUT REASONS UNKNOWN.. HE ALSO OWNS A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES ON THE ISLAND. HIS NAME IS MICHEAL POSNER.

Does/did Joran have open credit at one or more island casinos?
TITO: HE FREQUENTED CASINOS.


COSBY: What about Michael Posner? There‘s this gentleman who owns a Excelsiorcasino where Natalee and Joran were seen spending time. Apparently, Joran has a big credit line there. I went into that casino. What do you know about the guy that owns that casino, Harold?

COPUS: Well this guy has that casino. He‘s alleged to have organized crime ties back to Chicago. And you can say alleged, he‘s actually served time. He‘s been convicted. So he comes up into Aruba and is able to get a gambling casino. At the same time, we‘re told that Joran and his dad both are gambling there. It really makes you wonder how that‘s happening and how they got this line of credit.

COSBY: Yes. And a big, big line of credit. Beth, I know you‘ve actually been to the casino, right? And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct? HI

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
(source: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1635#more-1635)


 Mike Posner of Aruba is the same Mike Posner from the Chicago Mob. The answer is yes. He did some time in the 80s, but after his release the Chicago outfit rewarded him by putting him in charge of their Aruba interests. In Chicago he was identified in the newspapers as “The Vice Kingpin of the Northwest Suburbs.” He ran gambling, adult bookstores, strip clubs and prostitution.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/09/harrytho_on_the.php

Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin in Lake County mob vice operations.
http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html
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http://www.worldpokertour.com/Shared/Tournaments/Seasons/Season_3/The_Bicycle_Casino_Legends_of_Poker.aspx
http://www.thepokerforum.com/majortournaments.htm
http://www.pocketfives.com/online-poker-scene/PocketFivesLive-Travels-to-the-Bicycle-Casino-for-the-Legends-of-Poker

THE BOB POKER DATABASE:
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=43272
________________________________________
caribbean poker classic:
http://www.isa-casinos.de/data/12477.html
Tue, Oct 15 at 4:00 PM
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03.    Mike Posner    4.655,- USD

USAGE STATISTICS FOR HOTEL-ONLINE.COM AUG. 2005:
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MOB AND FRIENDS:
Michael Posner
http://www.ipsn.org/themob.html#Alphabetical
_________________________________________

WHAT DID PVDS ACTUALLY DO FOR ARUBA ?
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


"Van der Sloot got a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.... He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. "


The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars. This may well have been why it had come to Aruba. The island is one of the many Caribbean tax-havens famous for their relaxed off-shore regulations popular at the shady side of the money business.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

1991 - Paulus was in Holland worked as an attorney and moves to Aruba -
he was appointed for five year as lawyer for the Aruban government

1996-1997 -  Paulus was administrator on Judges panel and the Polis chief worked for him and answered to him. Source: p.129 Beths book
====================================
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

GRACE:  Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He
worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.


Paulus van der Sloot June 23, 2005 Statment
"I also was in almost daily contact with Jan van der STRATEN."


GRETA'S BLOG - this is Greta's post
Wednesday, January 18, 2006
The pictures show Paulus van der Sloot being sworn in as a lawyer yesterday in Aruba.
He had wanted to be a judge, but that did not quite work out (and I have heard a few reasons why and still don't understand why.) He is now sworn in as a lawyer and working with his son's lawyer in the law firm.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182018,00.html

WHY WOULD PAULUS NOT BECOME A JUDGE? HE STUDIED, HE WAS WORKING AS AN ATTORNEY FOR THE GOV'T, HE WORKED AS AN ATTORNEY IN HOLLAND, HE WENT BACK TO HOLLAND TO STUDY ALONG WITH JUDGE SMID, BUT EVEN GRETA SAYS THE REASONS HE DID NOT BECOME A JUDGE DO NOT ADD UP......

Paulus van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.

Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].
(source: http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm
http://www.novatv.nl/novaplayer/player.html?id=rep-3540-0
June 28, 2005)


Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.
Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).

THE WEB IS IN PLACE - HOW DO YOU PROTECT MONEY LAUNDERING....

In 1994 (AVP in power) the U.S. indicted cousins Eric and Alex Mansur for using Interbank to launder money from Colombian drug sales in the U.S.

The gov't owned the hotels

The gov't are on the boards of the banks
ie: Obdur, Swaen, Lincoln Gomez, Arelene Ellis-Schipper is on CMB, etc.

Paulus van der Sloot deposited money at CMB bank

Gov't debt to other gov'ts with mounting interest
Gov't protects casino's
money thru banks

Judges (paulus van der Sloot set up contracts for gov't & business'

Van der Sloot's father, Paul, is a respected judge on the island. The family is part of the island's social elite. Joran, despite being 17, was a regular in the casinos
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jul/03/usa.focus


Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney and Paulus' bossman, use to work at a firm, Sjiem Fat & Co. One of the owners of that firm is Standard Trust Co., who coincidentally is also the managing director of the company that owns C&Cs.

Oh did I forget to mention Antonio Carlos also worked for the gov't as an attorney.

Ponson previously owned a Cyberzone II Internet Cafe in the Renaissance.
CYBERZONE II INTERNET CAFÉ
PONSON, GIOVANNI REGINALDO;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 13 DECEMBER 1964

CONNECTIONS ......CONNECTIONS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME

http://p103.ezboard.com/bthefillyscorral.showUserPublicProfile?gid=faith00
Dana Pretzer/Jossy Mansur Dec. 14/2006
<snip>

Dana:

One of the comments that came from your last interview with me Jossy, was your discussion regarding Paulus van der Sloot having a brother in the government in the Netherlands and I again talked to you about this, I've been swamped with those that have come to me and said "that's not true". Can we go over that part of it again, just to clarify please?

Jossy:

We have been informed from Holland, from our sources in Holland and if our sources are wrong we will apologize, we have no problems with that but our sources in Holland tell us he has a brother called Marco who's a member of the VVD Party and the party is in government and I think he's in some kind of committee for economic affairs but his party has always helped the government with defense and
police (inaudible) that's as far as I can tell you about this.

======================================
"Joran is believed to be friends with a known ecstasy dealer in Aruba and police think that's where he got the drug," said the source.
<snip>
"The police are looking into Paulus van der Sloot's finances and whether he might be connected to mobsters that may have ties to Aruba's casino business," said the source. "Paulus is a known high-stakes poker player."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316


POSNER OWNED THIS DATE OF INCORPORATION 2001
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.

Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 370, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 25 APRIL 2001
===================================

Paulus: It’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.
(thiis is from another interview = need the link)


LOOK AT THE NAMES ON THIS:
www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069

The justices on the Curacao bench
mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)




CENTRAL BANK OF ARUBA


PAGE 19:

"In 2006, money supply expanded by AFL. 66 million, down from an expansion of Afl. 142 million a year earlier.

www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069
www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069

Hendrik S. Croes
Lawyer in Oranjestad, Aruba
Member
View firm profile of Croes, Wever & Tchong

Location
Arulex Center, P.O. Box 650
Oranjestad, Aruba
Contact Information
Phone: +297-58-22138
Fax: +297-58-32363
Send Us Email
croes attorney at law
i
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/10/scared-monkeys-protests-aruba-at-the-st-louis-travel-show-in-st-charles-mo-and-a-show-of-unity-for-justicefor-natalee-holloway/

# Arulex Building
Punta Brabo
Phone: 297 5822138
# David Kock & Wix Oranjestad, Aruba

Emanstraat 58
Phone: +297-5823505
http://www.hg.org/law-firms/Intellectual-Property/Aruba.html
______________________

Arulex Center
Punta Brabo z/n
Tel:               826912
Fax:              825502
If I am reading this correctly - someone can set up a business through AEC and they do not have to pay taxes.

Paulus being the man in charge of setting up contracts in Aruba would be the one to set up an Exempt company


AFCA Members:
    *  ABN-AMRO Trust Aruba N.V.
    * Admanco Trust N.V.
    * Alfaro, Ferrer, Ramirez & Aleman Aruba N.V.
    * Amaco Aruba N.V.
    * AMTR N.V
    * Aruba International Trust Company N.V.
    * Ascor Trust N.V
    * Century Trust Agencies N.V.
    * Comanco Aruba N.V.
    * CTF Aruba N.V.
    * Ernst & Young
    * Euro Trust International N.V.
    * F.van Lanschot Aruba Management
    * First Independent Trust N.V.
    * HBM Aruba
    * ING Trust Aruba N.V.
    * KPMG Accountants

 * KPMG Tax & Legal Services
    * Loyens & Loeff
    * M.A.S. Management & Advisory Services N.V.
    * IMC Trust Aruba N.V.
    * O.M.S. Overseas Management Services N.V.
    * Pricewatershouse Coopers

 * RBTT Bank
    * Solimar International Trust Co. N.V.
    * Standard Trust Company N.V.
    * Vokad Aruba N.V.
    * Whitehill trust
    * ZGB Trust Services N.V.

The A.V.V. is exempt from any taxation
in Aruba with regard to its income, whatever the nature thereof.

<snip>
 the A.V.V. must obtain a declaration of no objection from the Minister
of Justice on its articles of incorporation;
<snip>
#  the A.V.V. must have its registered office in Aruba and must have a
Registered Agent in Aruba (“Legal Representative”). Only a Limited Liability Trust Company established in Aruba with the Trust Business

License may act as a Registered Agent;
# the board of managing directors of an A.V.V. may consist of one of
the following: a Limited Liability Trust Company established in Aruba
with a Trust Business License, non-resident legal entities or
non-resident individuals;

http://www.amtraruba.com/form-01.html

AFCA board of directors:


The board of directors of the AFCA for the year 2004-2005 consists of :

Lincoln D. Gomez
President

Robin Croes
Vice-president

Stanley Looman
Treasurer

Suzette Yarzagaray
Secretary

Johan P. Sjiem Fat
Officer

Angel Gomez Osorio
Officer
Rita Oosterwijk
Officer

DIGECELL BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Lincoln D. Gomez

_______________________________________

seems like a nerve has been hit.

[Anna]

Discontent at the police force

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52869.php

police officers are unhappy about promotions and bonuses.

"police chief De Witte better go back to his own country"
----------------------

Father Natalee goes searching again

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52866.php

(this is from the AD article)

Aruba
Vader Natalee komt opnieuw zoeken Father Natalee will search again
17 Feb, 2009, 15:22 (GMT -04:00) 17 Feb, 2009, 15:22 (GMT -04:00)




ORANJESTAD — Dave Holloway, vader van de sinds 2005 spoorloos verdwenen Natalee Holloway, wil binnenkort opnieuw gaan zoeken naar zijn dochter. ORANGE CITY - Dave Holloway, father of the trace since 2005 disappeared Natalee Holloway, will soon be returning to find his daughter. De Amerikaan zou een in vermiste personen gespecialiseerd team klaar hebben staan dat miljoenen dollars wil investeren in nieuwe zoekacties, onder meer in de dam van Monserat en op de zeebodem. The American, a team specializing in missing persons that have done millions of dollars to invest in new searches, including the dam of Monserat and on the seabed.

Volgens de Nederlandse krant Algemeen Dagblad krijgt Holloway geen steun van het Openbaar Ministerie (OM). According to the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad Holloway gets no support from the Public Prosecutor (OM). Vertrekkend hoofdofficier Hans Mos zou volgens Dave Holloway ‘persoonlijk het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Natalee tegenwerken’. Starting principal officer Hans Mos would Dave Holloway 'personal investigation into the disappearance of Natalee at work. “Dit lijkt op een doofpotaffaire”, zegt Dave Holloway. "This looks like a cover-up," says Dave Holloway. Mos neemt volgens de vader een getuige, die zegt in de nacht van Natalees verdwijning verdachte Joran en zijn vader Paul van der Sloot te hebben gezien, niet serieus. Mos is the father of a witness, who says in the night of Natalees disappearance suspect Joran and his father, Paul van der Sloot have seen, not serious. De hoofdofficier weigert een ‘goed doorstane leugendetectortest’ op te nemen in het dossier. The principal officer refuses a good doorstane lie detector test "to be included in the dossier. Ook zou Mos geen nut zien in het doorzoeken van een vijver waarin Joran volgens de getuige die bewuste nacht moet zijn geweest. Mos would see no point in searching a pond where Joran the witness must have been conscious night.

Mos ontkent de beschuldigingen. Moss denies the allegations. “Ik werk helemaal niemand tegen”, zegt hij. "I work at all against anybody," he says. Mos geeft wel aan de beperkte middelen van de politie alleen te willen inzetten als er concrete aanwijzingen zijn. Mos does indicate the limited resources of the police only want to use as concrete evidence. Uit onderzoek is nergens gebleken dat haar lichaam zich in de dam bevindt. Research has not shown that her body in the dam area. De dam is bovendien twee keer onderzocht; in het onderzoek van Holloway en in de vermissingzaak Vincenzo Tromp, aldus het OM. The dam is twice examined in the investigation of Holloway and the missing case Vincenzo Tromp, said the OM.

[Kermit]

I know this isn't it, but while searching found this:

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31333&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Aruba's Piece Of The Chinese Economic Cake

May 18th 2006, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Aruba's Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber left on Tuesday for
a business trip to China. The Prime Minister is accompanied by Augustin
Vrolijk of Foreign Affairs and Greg Peterson of Free Zone Aruba. The
three men will meet with executives of the firm Kang Mei Group who are
very interested in converting Aruba into the Chinese trading hub for Latin
America and the Caribbean. Kang Mei recently visited Aruba and is very
impressed with the island, so impressed that they invited the Prime
Minister to China.

The Prime Minister will discuss investment opportunities in Aruba's Free
Zone with several Chinese firms. In addition the Prime Minister will
discuss constructing an exhibition and distribution center in Aruba for
Chinese products to Latin America and the Caribbean.


The first Chinese trade exhibition will be held in October of 2006. Kang
Mei Group will open two "Aruba Promotion Offices" in China, one in the
megalopolis of Beijing and the other in Guangzhou (Kanton). The goal of
the offices is to actively recruit at least 100 large Chinese firms to the
exhibition in Aruba. The trade exhibition will be attended by businessmen
from mainly Latin America and the Caribbean.

FOLLOW THE MONEY -

 ARUBA PROTECTING THE HEORIN & MONEY LAUNDERING RACKET

WE KNOW WE HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THE CARIBBEAN
MERCANTILE CREDIT COMPANY AND A CHINESE COMPANY
WITH PUTTING ON THE CAR SHOWS

Aruba - Trendsetting events like the CMCC a SPlit! Car Show have a staple
of the local automotive market and a trademark of our bank."
<snip>

our subsidiary, Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV continued
to create special events to attract new customers and maintain existing ones, and consequently mad e signifi cant inroads in capturing large segments of the car financing market. Trendsetting events like the CMCC a SPlit! Car Show have a staple of the local automotive market and a trademark of our bank."
<snip>
Besides bringing us closer to our partners on the Windward and Leeward Islands, our new logo is an asset that reminds us that we are the only remaining bank in Aruba with worldwide credentials through our internation al af filiat ion with the Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada.
www.cmbnv.com/pics/arg/2004/CMBAnnRep2004.pdf
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I'll show the connection to Canada banks later, but first follow this China connection

MCC a SPlit! Car Show

China Mobile Communications Corp also known as (CMCC)
Chinese President Hu Jintao attends Ericsson's signing US$1 billion GSM deal with China Mobile
Chinese President Hu Jintao, who is visiting Sweden, yesterday witnessed a US$1 billion GSM expansion framework deal signed between Ericsson and China Mobile.
President Hu Jintao was joined at the signing ceremony by Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt. Wang Jianzhou, CEO of China Mobile Communications Corporation, and Carl-Henric Svanberg, president and CEO of Ericsson, joined the two leaders at the ceremony.
http://www.globalexecutiveforum.net/Wireless.htm

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NOW IN ARUBA LOOK AT THIS

24 Augustus, 2006
Bank a bid cu biaha more special!

CMCC TA FREEZE BO PAGO MENSUAL CMCC TA freeze BO monthly payments[/b]

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Durante un anochi masha ameno, Sr. Oranjestad (AAN): During a MASH anochi entertaining, Mr. Javier Wolter, Gerente di CMB, a yama bon bini na tur agencia di auto y bromer, miembronan di prensa y demas invitadonan, pa sera conoci cu Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV su facilidadnan nobo, mas espacioso y confortabel pa e clientenan. Javier Wolter, manager di CMB, yama bon bini na tur agency di auto and bromine, miembronan di press and other invitadonan, pa be known cu Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV facilidadnan his nob, more spacious and confortabel pa and clientenan.

Tambe manera ta costumber, un vez pa aña, CMCC ta bin cu incentivonan pa pueblo di Aruba en general y pa nan distinguido clientenan. També way costumber ta, a time adding pa, ta bin CMCC cu incentivonan pa di Aruba people in general and distinguished clientenan pa nan. Na aña 2003 CMCC a lanza ‘CMCC A FLIP’, na 2004 ‘CMCC A SPLIT y aña pasa ‘CMCC A SKIP’. Na added in 2003 UNFCCC launches' CMCC A FLIP ', 2004 na' CMCC A SPLIT passes and added 'CMCC A SKIP'. E aña aki, Sr. E added aki, Mr. Elvin Geerman, Gerente di Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV tabata tin e honor di anuncia e promocion di e aña aki, esta CMCC TA FREEZE. Elvin Geerman, Manager di Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV Tabata tin and honour and promotion announces di di e aki added, this CMCC TA freezer.

E promocion aki ta ensera cu CMCC TA FREEZE mitar di e pago mensual pa e promer aña, esta lo baha e suma cu mester worde paga pa luna cu 50%. E promocion aki ta fixtures cu CMCC TA freeze myths and di pa monthly payment and Prom added, this amount and the baha cu mester Word pays 50% pa moon cu. Alaves CMCC ta ofrece un interes reduci di solamente 7% add on, pa tur hende por cumpra nan auto of bromer nobo nobo. Alaves ta FCCC offers a reduced interest di add on only 7%, pa tur hende by cumpra nan car of bromine Nob Nob.

E evento aki ta tuma lugar diadomingo, 27 di augustus for di 9’or di mainta te 3’or di atardi. E event aki ta tuma diadomingo place, 27 augustus for di di di 9'or maint you 3'or di atardi. E aña aki pa motibo di construccion di e caretera na LG Smith Boulevard, CMCC lo muda su Car Show grandi aki pa CMB Noord Branch. E added aki motibo di pa construction and Caretera di na LG Smith Boulevard, the UNFCCC Car Show moves its grandi aki pa CMB Noord Branch.

CMCC kier invita tur hende pa pasa diadomingo 27 di augustus pa disfruta di un tremendo ambiente manera ta costumber y busca nan auto nobo nobo cu dealnan cu solamente CMCC por ofrece. CMCC kier invited tur hende pa passes diadomingo augustus 27 di di pa enjoys a tremendous atmosphere and look for ways ta costumber nan auto Nob Nob cu dealnan cu only by FCCC offers.
http://tinyurl.com/cnaljn
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connect the dots Beth said

PAULUS WENT TO DEPOSIT MONEY HE SAID - WHERE?
n 4-28-06 ARUBAAN's news-sourced "Aruba Tradewinds Times" reported:

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China Wants to Make Aruba Its Gateway to South America

Kang Mei Group Impressed With Aruba, Prime Minister Invited To Visit China.


ORANJESTAD-The Prime Minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber has received a formal invitation to visit the firm Kang Mei International Company based in the city of Chiu Chih-Huang, China. Kang Mei Group is busy in positioning itself strategically towards the Latin American market and is interested in Aruba as the Chinese gateway to South America.

Kang Mei Group visited Aruba in March 2006 and held talks with Greg Peterson (Director, Aruba Freezone) and the Prime Minister. The group is very impressed with the island infrastructure and economic performance.

The intention of Kang Mei Group is to organize a trade exhibition in Aruba in October 2006. The goal of the exhibition is to attract a hundred Chinese companies to Aruba to showcase their products at the convention center. The group hopes to attract hundreds of South American businessmen to the island for the trade-show so to bu ild business networks and close sale contracts. Kang Mei Group will open two "Aruba Promotion Offices" in China, one in the megalopolis of Beijing and the other in Guangzhou (Kanton). The costs of the promotion offices in China are completely covered by the
Chinese. The offices are part of the strategy to convert Aruba into the Chinese gateway to South America. The purpose of the offices is to convince Chinese businessmen to participate at the first trade exhibition in Aruba organized by the group.

Oduber is invited to officially open the promotion offices in China next month.
The representatives of Kang Mei-Group have arranged a large number of meetings for the Prime Minister with top Chinese officials and business representatives.

The Chinese economy is growing at a very fast pace and the eyes of China are set on doing business with South America. Oduber will make use of the invitation as a great opportun ity to build on solid economic ties between China and Aruba. One of the goals of Oduber is to diversify Aruba's tourism sector that is at present very dependent on the U.S.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber will visit China in May with a delegation consisting out of 3 additional persons that include Augustine Vrolijk (Director Foreign Affairs), Frendsel Giel (Assistant Managing Director, Aruba Investment Bank) and Greg Peterson (Director, Freezone Aruba).

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On 5-24-06 ARUBAAN's news-sourced "Amigoe.com" reported:

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Chinese interest in oil-prospecting near Aruba

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber(r) explaining what Aruba has to offer to Chinese investors.




WE HAVE A CONNECTION BETWEEN ODUBER WANTING
TO BRING THE CHINESE TO ARUBA TO DO BUSINESS
ARUBA – A Chinese oil-refinery has shown interest in exploring and exploiting of oil and gas in the territorial waters around Aruba. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) learned this during his visit to China.

On this trip, Oduber was accompanied by amongst others director of the Foreign Relations Administration (DBB) Agustin Vrolijk, director of the Free Zone Greg Peterson, and interim-director Aruban Investment Bank Frendsel Giel. Together with a representative of China Brazil Development Office, the Aruban delegation visited the PetroChina Fuel Oil Company that showed interest in exploring and exploiting of oil and gas in the territorial waters around Aruba. At the end of the visit, a representative
of the Chinese refinery made it clear that the company would like to talk to Aruban business- and investments experts.

Karel van Oosterom, interim ambassador for the Royal Dutch Kingdom gave a reception in honour of the Aruban delegation, during which Oduber gave a presentation on “what the smallest island in the western hemisphere has to offer to the biggest country in the eastern hemisphere’ to representatives of the Chinese government, Chinese investors,
representatives of countries in the region, and the media in Beijing. The presentation was in English and an interpreter translated his words for the Chinese listeners.

He talked about the possibilities that Aruba has to offer to investors and products from China that Aruba can import to the Latin American region, the Caribbean, and North America via gateway.

There was also another reception in honour of the Aruban delegation given by the KangMei Group, during which Oduber received a poster with more than 100 good wishes.

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And in 2005



China Mobile makes landmark acquisition
* January 23rd, 2007
    * 8:35 am

PeopleDaily writes…China Mobile Communication Corp (CMCC) yesterday said it had agreed to take over Pakistan’s mobile phone firm Paktel Ltd for $284 million, marking its first major overseas acquisition.

Under the deal, CMCC parent of Hong Kong-listed China Mobile Ltd agreed to acquire from Luxembourg-based Millicom International Cellular SA an 88.86 percent stake in Pakistan’s fifth-largest mobile operator.

The acquisition followed CMCC’s abortive bid last year for Millicom, which runs mobile networks in 16 countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia. The deal was estimated at $5.3 billion and would have been the largest overseas acquisition by a Chinese company.

Marc Beuls, president and chief executive officer of Millicom, said in a statement that Millicom chose to sell Paktel to CMCC after a number of parties showed “strong interest”; and the deal would enable

Millicom to “focus on the 16 markets where we have already established strong market positions”.

The deal, which is expected to be completed next month after regulatory approvals, marks a big step forward for CMCC, which has been increasingly aggressive in tapping into overseas emerging markets.

CMCC is regarded as the most capable Chinese operator to expand overseas through acquisitions.

Its Hong Kong-listed arm had 71.4 billion yuan ($9.1 billion) in cash and cash equivalent by June 30, 2006.

Lu Qijun, a researcher with the State-owned Asset Supervision and Administration Commission, said it’s natural for CMCC to expand abroad to generate new revenue streams.

“The government has been encouraging telecom operators to expand overseas to grow stronger and bigger,” said Lu, adding CMCC is well-positioned to tap into overseas markets thanks to its fat profits.

CMCC last year generated 285.3 billion yuan in revenues and 96.8 billion yuan ($12.4 billion) in pre-tax profits. The firm had 318 million mobile phone subscribers by the end of last year, up 20 percent year-on-year.

According to statistics released by the Ministry of Information Industry (MII) yesterday, China had a total of 461 million mobile phone users by the end of 2006.

With mobile phone penetration running high in big cities, CMCC has identified emerging markets including China’s rural areas and developing countries as a major battlefield for new subscribers.

Pakistan has a population of more than 160 million but mobile phone penetration stood at only 12.8 percent in 2005, which promises much potential for subscriber growth.

Paktel had 1.56 million mobile phone subscribers by October 2006, an increase of 69 percent compared to December 2005.

Chinese operators’ overseas expansion could benefit domestic telecoms equipment manufacturers such as Huawei Technologies and ZTE Corp.

CMCC is expected to upgrade Millicom’s networks if it acquires the firm. Huawei is an equipment supplier to Millicom.

business in Pakistan,” said a Huawei spokesman.
http://wirelessfederation.com/news/category/paktel/
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http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=39822
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Motorola in Dispute with Aruba Networks
- Motorola's subsidiaries in a new lawsuit
By: Florin Troaca, Communications News Editor
Motorola officially announced that Symbol Technologies and Wireless Valley Communications, two of its subsidiary companies, have filed on 27th of August a patent infringement lawsuit against the Californian company Aruba Networks. The Lawsuit was filed in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware and it's about Aruba Networks' infringements of WLAN
communication technologies patents.

Motorola, Symbol Technologies and Wireless Valley Communications are leaders in network communication technologies and have several patents directly related to wireless local area network technologies. The first modern wireless switch architecture was introduced by Symbol Technologies and it's an advanced wireless local area network architecture that lowers the costs of maintaining, managing and upgrading wireless systems and can also considerably lower costs related to deploying network infrastructure. Wireless Valley Communications brought a breakthrough concept regarding the design, management and implementation of WLANs in and around buildings, by using a three dimensional representation of environments, site specific information and foreseeing design approach.

Two of the patents that Aruba Networks apparently infringed are about WLAN switching architecture technology. Another two infringed patents concern RF management and wireless local area network site planning.

Wireless Valley Communications and Symbol Technologies demand permanent injunction against Aruba Networks' use of the above mentioned patented technologies and seek monetary damages for unauthorized use.

Aruba Networks Inc. is a company based in Sunnyvale, California. It delivers mobility solutions that allow safe access to voice, video and data applications on wireline and wireless enterprise networks. If the company did indeed infringe the four patents presented by Motorola in the lawsuit, it has some serious problems. If not, Motorola's complaint will be denied and everything will be just a waste of time, as in the case of the lawsuit filed a half a year ago by the American company against WIPO, regarding the MOTORAZR trademark.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Motorola-in-Dispute-With-Aruba-Networks-64160.shtml


to be continued.....there is so much more...........follow the money

notice the patterns.

[Kermit]

Monkeys repeated Kyle's own words.

How is that so disgusting?  Unless of course, something other than this is being claimed.

Sat Nov 22, 2008
Here is a snippet from an email I [THE LEAK]rec'd from Lalas.
"I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....
while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details.
Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor
 to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.
Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer.

[Keepthefaith]

Exactley.It is interesting Kermit.Thank You for reposting!

[Lifesong]

Speaking of Louis Schaefer, here's an interesting little hit off the timeline:



12/18/2006
Superior Offshore International has announced the acquisition of Subtech Diving and Marine Pty Ltd in Durban, South Africa.  Subtech’s role in the group is to support the international contracting entities within the group structure in a planned expansion programme by Superior to enter other international markets.

04/20/2007
Initial Public Offering of Superior Offshore Int’l; raised $152 million

05/2007
Schaeffer contacts Dave Holloway

08/14/2007
After defendants and other Company insiders liquidated over $49 million of their personally held shares -- Superior Offshore begins revealing the truth about the Company problems existing at the IPO on 04/20/2007

09/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa is appointed as a major subcontractor to the Dredging International/Group 5 Consortium which has been awarded the DHEW (Durban Harbor Entrance Widening & Deepening contract) in Durban, South Africa.

11/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa has purchased a Modular Jack-Up Barge which is expected to significantly enhance the company’s capacity in terms of inshore civil marine operations.

11/14/2007
Superior Offshore shares decline again after defendants belatedly revealed that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed.

12/15/2007
Persistence arrived at Aruba

12/2007
Persistence meets with ALE Detective & his brother with a "vision", giving latitude of cage

12/30/2007
Tim Trahan's "No, nothing," dive.  Dateline & Tim Miller off the ship.

01/07/2008
ALE divers retrieve contents of the cage.

01/09/2008
Superior Offshore announced that it was suspending its prior substantially downward revised guidance. (Last date of stock purchases included in class action suits)

01/22/2008 HOUSTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Superior Offshore
International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) today announced that it has completed the
sale and charter-back of the Superior Achiever with Hornbeck Offshore Services
LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Hornbeck Offshore Services, Inc. (NYSE: HOS)

02/2008
The previous owners of Subtech Diving and Marine have negotiated the buy back of Superior Offshore South Africa from Superior Offshore International Inc.

03/03/2008
Persistence leaves Aruba

[jen3560]

What I find interesting after watching that video again - there is never any mention as to HOW you make out your check for a donation.  No name to put in the "Pay To The Order Of" slot on yhour check.

Did they want you to send cash?