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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry.html
Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky indicted on felony charges of sex crimes against minors
November 4, 2011

Sex abuse charges have been filed in Centre County against Penn State coaching legend and Second Mile charity founder Jerry Sandusky.

The charges follow a more-than two year grand jury investigation that began when a Clinton County teen alleged inappropriate contact against the 67-year-old former coach.

During the investigation, older allegations from 1998 surfaced as well. In the older case, Penn State police investigated inappropriate touching in a shower.

The charging paperwork has not yet made it to the District Magistrate Judge's office in Centre County. However, felony charges of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse of someone under 16, aggravated indecent assault, indecent assault of someone under 16, indecent assault of someone under 13, and corruption of minors charges have been filed in the state court docket system.

The offense dates include 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, and 2005. There are 40 counts included in the paperwork filed against him.

The Patriot-News first broke the story about the investigation in March, shortly after Penn State coach Joe Paterno testified before the the grand jury along with Penn State's interim senior vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley.

At one time, Sandusky was considered Paterno’s likely successor. During his 32 years on the sidelines, the College Township, Centre County resident was credited with turning Penn State into Linebacker U and producing such pro football greats as Jack Ham and LaVar Arrington.

Sandusky retired from Penn State shortly after the Alamo Bowl in December 1999, and began devoting all of his time to running The Second Mile, a children’s charity he founded in 1977 that reaches 200,000 kids in this state each year through programs and camps.

Last fall, he retired from day-to-day involvement, saying he wanted to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.
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Edit to change subject line to reflect the conviction and charges of Jerry Sandusky.  MB

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577020001842475304.html
Ex-Penn State Coach Sandusky Arrested on Sex Charges
November 5, 2011

A former Penn State defensive coordinator was accused Saturday of sexually abusing eight boys in a case that has rocked the Big Ten university.

Jerry Sandusky, 67 years old, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, the state attorney general's office said.
In addition, Penn State athletic director Tim Curley, 57, and Gary Schultz, 62, the school's vice president for finance and business, have been charged with perjury and failing to report what they knew about the allegations. Mr. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department. They were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg.
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The case represents a major scandal for a school with one of the most pristine images in college sports. Penn State is one of just four major-conference schools that has never been found guilty of major violations by the NCAA. ("Major" violations are primarily ones that give a school a significant competitive or recruiting advantage.) Boston College, Northwestern and Stanford are the others.

Mr. Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to work with at-risk children through the nonprofit Second Mile organization he founded in 1977. He was charged with multiple counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a child, indecent assault and unlawful contact with a minor, as well as single counts of aggravated indecent assault and attempted indecent assault. A preliminary hearing for Mr. Sandusky is scheduled for Wednesday, but his lawyer told reporters it would likely be delayed.

"He's shaky, as you can expect," defense attorney Joe Amendola told WJAC-TV outside the arraignment hearing. "Being 67 years old, never having faced criminal charges in his life, and having the distinguished career that he's had, these are very serious allegations."

Mr. Amendola said Mr. Sandusky has been aware of the allegations for about three years and has maintained his innocence.

Attorney General Linda Kelly called Mr. Sandusky "a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys."

The grand jury said eight boys who were targets of sexual advances or assaults by Mr. Sandusky from 1994 to 2009. None were named, and in at least one case, the jury said the child's identity remains unknown to authorities.
 ::snipping2::The grand jury report accuses Messrs. Curley and Schultz of knowing some details of accusations of sex abuse against Mr. Sandusky but failing to tell authorities what they knew.

"It is also a case about high-ranking university officials who allegedly failed to report the sexual assault of a young boy after the information was brought to their attention, and later made false statements to a grand jury," Ms. Kelly said.

Lawyers for both men issued statements saying they were innocent of all charges.

Prosecutors said all of the young men first encountered Mr. Sandusky through Second Mile.

The first to come to light was a boy who met Mr. Sandusky when he was 11 or 12, the grand jury said. The boy received expensive gifts and trips to sports events from Mr. Sandusky, and physical contact began during his overnight stays at Mr. Sandusky's home, jurors said. Eventually, the boy's mother reported the allegations of sexual assault to his high school, and Mr. Sandusky was banned from the child's school district in Clinton County in 2009. That triggered the state investigation that culminated in charges Saturday.

The grand jury report alleges much earlier instances of abuse, and efforts by some who knew of it to stop it, to no avail.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-06/ex-coach-administrators-charged-at-penn-state/51101298/1
Penn State fallout leads two accused to leave jobs
November 7, 2011
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – The sexual abuse scandal involving a former Penn State football coach has cost a top administrator his job and put another on indefinite leave.

Athletics director Tim Curley is going on administrative leave at his request, according to a statement from the school board of trustees late Sunday. Senior vice president for business and finance Gary Schultz will step down and go back into retirement.
The two face charges they perjured themselves before a grand jury and failed to notify law enforcement authorities of child sexual abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky, the one-time presumed successor to legendary coach Joe Paterno. Curley and Schultz are expected to turn themselves in to law enforcement in Harrisburg today. The move follows an emergency meeting of the trustees.
Also Sunday, Facebook page "Fire Graham Spanier" began as the specter of the scandal grew. On Saturday, Spanier had issued a statement offering strong support for Curley and Schultz.
But included in the release from the board of trustees was a statement from Spanier: "The protection of children is of paramount importance. The University will take a number of actions moving forward to increase the safety and security within our facilities and make everyone aware of the protocols in place for handling these issues."
Spanier also said that senior associate AD Mark Sherburne will serve as interim AD until Curley's legal situation is resolved.
Penn State spokeswoman Lisa Powers said the school would pay legal fees for Curley and Schultz because they were acting as employees. Sandusky was banned from campus.
In a scandal that has rocked the university and its No. 12-ranked football program, Sandusky, 67, faces 40 abuse charges, including 21 felonies. Sandusky, released on $100,000 bail, is charged with abusing eight boys between 1994 and 2009, with some incidents said to have taken place in a Penn State athletics building. He retired from Paterno's staff in 1999.
The grand jury investigation found Sandusky had encountered each of the alleged victims through a youth services foundation he began in 1977 called The Second Mile. "Like the rest of the community, I'm in a state of shock," longtime Penn State broadcaster Fran Fisher said.
Attorneys for all three say they are innocent.
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In a statement released Sunday, Paterno said, "The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true, we were all fooled."
Board of trustees chair Steve Garban said the school would take several steps to address the issue:
•The chair of the board will appoint a task force to engage external legal counsel to conduct an independent review of the University's policies and procedures related to the protection of children. This action is not intended to interfere with the ongoing judicial process;
•Publicize the findings of the independent review;
•Review with administrators police reporting protocols; and
•Enhance educational programming around such topics.
"The board, along with the entire Penn State family, is shocked and saddened by the allegations involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky," said Garban. "Under no circumstances does the University tolerate behavior that would put children at risk, and we are deeply troubled."
Video at link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57319610/sandusky-probe-penn-st-officials-face-charges/
Sandusky probe: Penn St. officials face charges
November 7, 2011

CBS/AP)  Two high-ranking Penn State administrators have resigned, and will face arraignment Monday on charges they lied to a grand jury investigating suspected child abuse involving the university's former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
Athletic director Tim Curley and university vice president Gary Schultz will be arraigned in District Court in Harrisburg today for charges of perjury and failure to report under Pennsylvania's child protective services law, reports CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller. The university's board of trustees announced their resignations overnight, as officials try to deal with allegations against a trusted coach that could blemish Happy Valley's storied history.
 ::snipping2::In a 40-count indictment, Sandusky is accused of targeting eight boys over a period of 15 years - both before and after his retirement in 1999. The charges range from inappropriate touching to statutory rape.

Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, said his client has been aware of the accusations for about three years and has maintained his innocence.
According to the indictment, several of the alleged crimes took place on campus, in the Lasch Football Building. In the spring of 2002, a graduate assistant reported he witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a young boy in the shower. He later testified that he told coach Joe Paterno the very next day."

Prosecutors say Paterno alerted athletic director Tim Curley. Curley called in Gary Schultz, the university's senior vice president for finance and business. A week and a half later, both met with the graduate assistant, but never contacted police.

Late Sunday, Curley and Schultz resigned. Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote time to his defense, and Schultz will be going back into retirement, university President Graham Spanier said.

Both men have maintained they are innocent of any wrongdoing.

Joe Paterno issued a statement clarifying his grand jury testimony, saying, "It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions."

At this point, prosecutors say coach Paterno is a witness and not under investigation. Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office, told The Associated Press on Sunday that whether Paterno might testify was premature and nothing more than rampant speculation.

"That's putting the cart way ahead of the horse," he said. "We're certainly not going to be discussing the lineup of potential witnesses."

As for Sandusky, the university has banned him from the campus. He is out on $100,000 bail, but faces charges that could put him in prison for life.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/sports/ncaafootball/penn-states-paterno-is-not-a-target-in-sexual-abuse-inquiry.html
Paterno Is Not a Target in Sexual Abuse Inquiry
November 7, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — The Pennsylvania attorney general, Linda Kelly, said in a news conference Monday that Joe Paterno, Penn State’s legendary football coach, was not considered a target in the sexual abuse investigation that has resulted in the arrest of a former assistant coach and two prominent university officials.
Kelly, who made a plea for other potential victims to come forward, summarized the prosecutors’ case against Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator who faces a 40-count indictment for allegedly sexually abusing eight young boys. Through his lawyer, Sandusky has maintained his innocence.

She added that the roles played by Penn State administrators Tim Curley, the athletic director, and Gary Schultz, the vice president of business and finance who oversaw the university police, were “equally significant.” Curley and Schultz, who both stepped down late Sunday, were arraigned Monday in Harrisburg, Pa., for charges that include providing false testimony to a grand jury and failing to report suspected child abuse.

Kelly chided them for not coming forth with the information about an alleged incident with Sandusky in the Penn State locker room showers in 2002.

“Those officials and administrators to whom it was reported did not report that incident to law enforcement or to any child protective agency,” she said. “Their inaction, likely, allowed a child predator to continue to victimize children for many, many years.”

Curley and Schultz have denied any wrongdoing.

Kelly said Paterno had cooperated with investigators and fulfilled his legal obligation to pass the information to a superior when, in 2002, a graduate assistant told him about an incident involving Sandusky that he had witnessed in the locker room showers.

According to prosecutors, the first serious chance Penn State had to halt the abuse came in 1998, when Sandusky was still an assistant for Paterno. A mother of an 11-year-old boy Sandusky had befriended at his charity reported to the Penn State campus police that her son had been touched and held by Sandusky in a shower inside the campus’s football facility.

Prosecutors said a “lengthy” investigation — one that grew to include allegations about a second young child being similarly touched by Sandusky in a shower — was carried out by the campus police. But the report offers few details about the nature of that investigation: who was interviewed, whether Paterno or other university officials were apprised of it.

When asked whether Paterno or the university president, Graham B. Spanier, was aware in 1998 of the investigation, Kelly said, “All I can say was that investigation was handled by Penn State University’s police department.”

Paterno’s son Scott said in a telephone interview Sunday that Paterno had not been aware of the 1998 investigation.

Frank Noonan, the former chief of criminal investigations at the attorney general’s office and current commissioner of the state police, said the methods that Sandusky allegedly used were “very common” in these types of investigations. He said it was known as “grooming” victims, and said that the tactic involves someone identifying a child, becoming a mentor, giving the victim gifts and establishing trust.

He added that what was unusual about this investigation is that even after Sandusky “made admissions about inappropriate contact in the shower room” in 1998 to the Penn State police: “Nothing happened. Nothing stopped.”

He said that janitors witnessed a sex act in 2000 and still “nothing changed, nothing stopped” as the janitors did not report it because they feared for their jobs. And finally in 2002 when another sex act was witnessed by a Penn State graduate assistant coach, who reported it to Paterno, the police still were not contacted.

“That’s very unusual,” Noonan said. “I don’t think I’ve ever been associated with a case where that type of eye witness identification of sex acts taking place where the police weren’t called. I don’t think I’ve ever seen something like that before.”

Noonan added that the focus of the case should not be Penn State or football, but rather how Sandusky was not stopped from using the university to help groom young victims, according to the prosecutors’ report.

“This is not a case about football,” Noonan said. “This is not a case about universities. This is a case about children who have had their innocence stolen from them and a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others.”

Curley is taking an administrative leave to defend himself against perjury charges, and Schultz will retire. Their decisions came during an executive session Sunday night involving Spanier and members of the university’s board of trustees.

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“The board, along with the entire Penn State family, is shocked and saddened by the allegations involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky,” Steve Garban, the chairman of the board of trustees, said in a statement. “Under no circumstances does the university tolerate behavior that would put children at risk, and we are deeply troubled.”

The move was accompanied by the announcement that the university would appoint a task force to appoint external legal counsel to conduct an independent review of the university’s policies and procedures related to the protection of children, and to publicize the findings.

I agree with Frijole on the football thread............................this makes every other problem with "institutional control" by the Ohio State's et al seem rather trivial!! This wasn't a mere case of sweeping things under the rug -- they FAILED to stop it from continuing happening AFTER they knew about it. Utterly disgusting! ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

"Utterly disgusting" is right, wreck!!

Beyond horrifying.........simply no excuse for Joe Pa and the university not to have accepted the word of the grad assistant witness........obviously the janitors knew that nothing would be done. Those poor boys !

This is an excellent article!  I agree with it all 100%!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/joe-paterno-penn-state-football-coach-center-unholy-mess-article-1.974071
Joe Paterno, Penn State football coach, at center of an unholy mess
School administration had moral obligation to do more about Jerry Sandusky
November 8, 2011


It was not a priest with a boy in the dark rooms of a church this time, it was the church of football at Penn State University, and a coach who once coached there for the great Joe Paterno alleged to be the sexual predator.

Now all of them at Penn State touched by this hideous story — touched by it the way this former coach, Jerry Sandusky, is alleged to have touched young boys in his care — try to protect themselves, when clearly not enough was ever done to protect these boys.

If these charges against Sandusky are true, then shame on all those who were told about Sandusky at Penn State and expected somebody else to do something about him.

If the government can make its case against Sandusky — once Paterno’s top football sergeant, and so a priest of football at Penn State — then nobody involved should survive this, starting with a coach who came out of Brooklyn Prep nearly 70 years ago to make his name one of the most famous and respected in the history of his sport.

Of course Paterno,
now 84, will get a chance to tell his side. For now he only speaks through a statement issued by his son. But if Joe Paterno was another one at Penn State who didn’t go right at Sandusky and right to the cops when informed of what an eyewitness saw Sandusky doing with a boy in a football shower room, then Paterno should step down and so should the president of the university, whether they are facing charges or not.

They are no better than high clerics who did not do enough, or nothing at all, when informed of priests in the church forcing themselves on young boys.

We keep hearing that everybody at Penn State followed the letter of the law when a graduate assistant named Mike McQueary, now on Paterno’s staff, went to Paterno in 2002 and said he saw Sandusky with a 10-year-old boy in the shower room.

But what about the spirit of the law?

If McQueary, a former football player, saw Sandusky having sex with a 10-year-old in a shower at the Lasch Football Building at Penn State, forget about running to the head football coach. How about throwing Sandusky up against the wall and banging him around a little bit, then calling the police?

Were they worried about chain of command at Penn State, or these children?

How about Paterno calling the police instead of his athletic director as soon as McQueary told him about the horror of what he’d seen? Now the coach says this about what McQueary told him nine years ago:

“It was obvious the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.”

As though we are supposed to care whether McQueary told Paterno that Sandusky was having sex with the boy or just fondling him.

Maybe Paterno and McQueary can eventually explain why, years after McQueary reported to Paterno that he’d seen Sandusky with a 10-year-old boy, they did absolutely nothing when Sandusky showed up at football practice with another young boy. Where did they think Sandusky was going to take that boy after football practice, to the zoo?
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Looks like Joe Paterno and PSU might be in deep doo-doo. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57320637/report-paterno-to-leave-psu-in-wake-of-scandal/
Report: Paterno to leave PSU in wake of scandal
November 8, 2011

(CBS/AP)  Joe Paterno's 46th season as Penn State's football coach may be his last.
The New York Times reports that the Penn State board of trustees is planning Paterno's exit from the school in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal involving former defensive coach Jerry Sandusky, according to two people familiar with the university's internal discussions.
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In addition, a high-ranking Penn State official told the AP that support for Paterno is eroding among the school's board of trustees.

Despite the reports, Scott Paterno told reporters that his father has had no talks with Penn State officials or trustees about stepping down. He told reporters outside his father's house Tuesday that Joe Paterno plans to not only coach in Saturday's game against Nebraska, but for the long haul.

"No one has asked Joe to resign," Scott Paterno told The AP in a text message.
Meanwhile, Penn State administrators canceled Paterno's weekly news conference, in which he was expected to field questions about the scandal.

"Due to the ongoing legal circumstances centered around the recent allegations and charges, we have determined that today's press conference cannot be held and will not be rescheduled," assistant Athletic Director Jeff Nelson said in a statement.

Scott Paterno told The AP that the decision was made by President Graham Spanier's office.

Gotta say I have lost all faith in Joe PA after this..and particularily this remark.  He knew about this long ago, his reaction was to tell the person who told him to let the university know..and then no one followed up..and yes JoePa ..you knew know one followed up because you continued to work with this man on a daily basis..if had been arrested or questioned you would have known..so you knew it was not covered up..it was handled.

JoePa needs to step down..he is as much to blame as anyone else that let this man continue to work for PSU and use their facilities and charity work to sexually abuse young men.  The university carried more about their reputation and their sports teams national glory then about doing the right thing and turning this over to the State Police.  JoePa how would have you reacted if that 10 year old being sodomized in the shower would have been your grandson?  JoePa when a graduate assistant came to you and told you he had witnessed the sodomy..why didn't you report it to the authorities?

My husband is a PSU grad...we aren't making anymore contributions to this school until someone comes clean..one can only imagine the other crimes that went on that were never reported..just handled..if sodomy of a 10 year old in the PSU  tem showers doesn't count I am sure the rape of many girls, the beatings of many individuals just didn't count either.  They over paid all of you..you are worthless..not worth the time to write this actually..I hope PSU fires all of them and they lose any pensions they might have.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive%3A-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811
Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case
PSU Trustees Hold Tuesday Night Teleconference
November 8, 2011

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Sources tell FOX 29 News that, since a press conference on Monday, the number of potential victims has more than doubled in the case.

We've learned there may be as many as 17 accusers coming forward against one-time Penn State University defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
State officials publicized two phone numbers for potential victims to call, and within a day it seems investigators have new leads.

There are eight victims listed in the grand jury presentment, and 40 charges have been leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno.

Sandusky allegedly met the boys through The Second Mile, a charity he founded in the late 1970s.

Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws, and authorities have said he is not a target of the investigation.

Students rallied Tuesday night in support of Paterno, but we heard that university trustees were huddling up, too.

FOX 29's Bruce Gordon reported that university trustees met via teleconference Tuesday night. We don't yet know the specifics of that meeting, but it's a safe bet that Paterno's name came up.
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A loud and raucous rally in support of Paterno was wrapping up around 10 p.m. outside Beaver Stadium, right across the street from the JoePa statue.

The rally grew out of social media and began outside Paterno's off-campus home as he returned home from afternoon practice.

Paterno was clearly overcome with emotion.

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. All right? You guys, I've lived for this place, I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that the, you know, that you feel so strongly about us and about your school."

Mindful that the show of support was turning into a pep rally, Paterno asked the students to keep the young victims of this sex scandal in their prayers.

"Tough life when people do certain things to you. But, anyway, you guys have been great," Paterno said.

Earlier in the day, the university abruptly pulled the plug on a planned news conference.

Behind the scene, there's every indication that trustees are moving to oust Paterno over his failure to act more aggressively to stop the growing sex scandal.

Paterno spoke briefly with reporters earlier Tuesday, saying, "I know you guys have a lot of questions, and I was hoping I was going to be able to answer them today. But we'll try to do it soon, as soon as we can. I can't do it today."
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The New York Times reported that two sources told it that Penn State officials were negotiating Paterno's exit, perhaps within days, in the wake of the Sandusky sex scandal.

Scott Paterno called that report "fiction."

He said, "Any discussion of exit strategy has not taken place with anyone that is advising Joe or Joe himself. That's all I can tell you. There has been no discussion between the university and Coach Paterno. Nothing has changed."

Outside his home Tuesday night, the coach led cheers of "We are," and students replied "Penn State."

"And we'll always be," the octogenarian coach added.

"Penn State," students answered twice.

As he retreated inside his home, cheering students vowed to stand by their beleaguered hero.
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Paterno was not the only one under fire Tuesday night. University President Graham Spanier is also facing a lot of criticism over his handling of this child sex abuse scandal.

It's a safe bet both of those names will be on the agenda when the board of trustees meet face-to-face in public session Friday. Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett says he will be there.

Jerry Sandusky was supposed to have a preliminary hearing Wednesday on dozens of child sex abuse charges.

However, on Tuesday afternoon court officials decided to push that back until Dec. 7.

Sandusky is currently free on $100,000 bail.

The other two men charged, former athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz, will appear in court next week on charges of failing to notify authorities about the allegations against Sandusky and lying to a grand jury.

Meanwhile, Congressman Pat Meehan is calling for a federal investigation into how Penn State handled the allegations against Sandusky.

How could grown men allow this to continue?  I mean really.

ITA Kitty Mom...because they thought the football program at PSU as more important then the harm this man was doing to young boys?  That's the only answer I can come up with..and they had to know that nothing happened to the man..he continued to work there, then after retiring used their gym and facilities..if he had been questioned they would have known..as it is they all did nothing to stop this sexual abuse..they all deserve to be ousted ..they could have called the State Police once they saw the university was doing nothing..and the State Police would have followed up..

Some kind of charges should be filed on McQueary the grad asst. too. Sickening that he could see into the shower and just walk away. It was not out of fear for his safety, he's a vey big guy. No upon seeing a child being raped he worries about his job. Sanduskyshead should have immediately been slam into the wall. I'd like to see them fire me for that.

It's just sickening.   ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/08/penn-state-officials-reportedly-planning-paternos-exit/

Penn State's Paterno Will Reportedly Retire at End of Season

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/08/penn-state-officials-reportedly-planning-paternos-exit/#ixzz1dDxz5cnf

http://www.wpxi.com/news/29715888/detail.html

DA Who Refused To Prosecute Sandusky In '98 Missing Since '05


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This can't be a coincidence.   ::MonkeyEek::

Holy cow!

Oh - this river runs deeeeep.

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/05/2975854/conflict-what-conflict.html

Conflict? What Conflict?

What in the world is going on?

Follow the money.  There's big money in college ball.  JMHO

Report: Penn State President Graham Spanier will resign or be fired
Associated Press

Posted: 1:09pm on Nov 9, 2011; Modified: 1:25pm on Nov 9, 2011


The Express-Times of Easton reported Wednesday (http://bit.ly/snIMNH ) that a person close to the university board of trustees said Spanier will either resign or be voted out by trustees by the end of the day.
The newspaper didn’t identify the person, who it said requested anonymity.

Citing the unidentified person, it reported that an interim president, most likely Rodney Erickson, the university’s executive vice president and provost, would be appointed and a search for a permanent replacement would begin.

When asked to confirm or deny the report, Bill Mahon, Penn State spokesman, said he could not.

Information from: The Express-Times, http://www.lehighvalleylive.com


Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/09/2980063/report-penn-state-president-spanier.html#ixzz1dEafzMwT

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html
Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 Mystery
November 8, 2011

One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.
The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?

Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance — an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found — have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings. The police in central Pennsylvania continue to investigate even though Gricar’s daughter, Lara, successfully petitioned in July to have her father declared legally dead so the family could find some closure and begin dividing his estate.

Yet as the Sandusky investigation moves forward, questions will be asked anew about why Gricar did not pursue charges against him 13 years ago. A small but strident minority believes Gricar did not want to tackle a case that involved a hometown icon. Others who knew and worked with Gricar say he was a meticulous, independent and tough-minded prosecutor who was unbowed by Penn State, its football program and political pressure in general.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” said Anthony De Boef, who worked as an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

De Boef said Gricar did not share any information with him about the case in 1998, which involved Sandusky allegedly showering with an 11-year-old boy. Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy’s mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.
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On April 15, 2005, Gricar, then 59, took the day off. At about 11:30 a.m., he called his girlfriend, Patricia Fornicola, to say he was taking a drive on Route 192. About 12 hours later, she reported him missing.

The next day, Gricar’s Mini Cooper was found in a parking lot in Lewisburg, about 50 miles from his home in Bellefonte. Gricar’s cellphone was in the car, but not his laptop, wallet or keys, which were never recovered. Months later, the laptop was found in the Susquehanna River without its hard drive, which was discovered later. It was too damaged to yield any information. On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.

When Gricar disappeared helicopters, dive teams and patrol cars were deployed, and the F.B.I. was brought in. Reports of Gricar turning up in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Maryland and other states proved to be dead ends.

So what happened? Friends and colleagues say Gricar was not the type to walk away. His bank accounts were not touched after he disappeared, he had no other sources of income and he had no major debts, said Robert Buehner Jr., a friend and the district attorney in Montour County. Though divorced twice, he seemed happy with his girlfriend and close with his daughter. Gricar had already announced that he was retiring at the end of his term.
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If Gricar committed suicide, Buehner added, he would have wanted the body to be found. Foul play is the next possible conclusion. By the nature of their jobs prosecuting criminals, district attorneys end up having many enemies. But no credible suspects have emerged.

“I don’t think you’ll find too many district attorneys who disappear,” said Ken Mains, a detective who works on cold cases in Lycoming County. “D. B. Cooper, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, until a body is found, there are going to be conspiracy theories.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57321248/cops-sandusky-admitted-to-98-shower-with-boy/?tag=pop;stories
Cops: Sandusky admitted to '98 shower with boy
November 9, 2011

CBS/AP)

Jerry Sandusky, the one-time heir apparent to Penn State football coach Joe Paterno, told a boy's mother in 1998 that he had showered with her son and with other boys but he wouldn't promise to stop, according to a Pennsylvania grand jury report.

Police in State College, Penn., listened in to two conversations Sandusky had with the mother, with her permission, after her then-11-year-old son came home with hair wet from showing with Sandusky. At the end of the second conversation, Sandusky was told he could not see the boy anymore.

"I understand," State College Detective Ronald Schreffler testified Sandusky said. "I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."
Sandusky — who maintains he is innocent — has since been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of molesting eight young boys between 1994 and 2009. Two PSU administrators who have since stepped aside have also been charged with failing to notify authorities of a 2002 incident reported by an eyewitness.
The 11-year-old was only identified as the former assistant football coach's sixth alleged victim. In 1998, his mother tried to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again, but he wouldn't make that promise, Schreffler testified.

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testified to the grand jury Sandusky admitted to him and Schreffler in an interview that he hugged the boy while naked in the shower and that he knew it was wrong.

However, the case was closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decided there would be no criminal charges filed.

Late Tuesday night, Penn State's board of trustees said it would appoint a special committee to conduct an investigation into the "circumstances" that resulted in the indictments of Sandusky, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz. The committee will be appointed Friday at the board's regular meeting, which Gov. Tom Corbett said he plans to attend, and will examine "what failures occurred and who is responsible and what measures are necessary to ensure" similar mistakes aren't made in the future.

The board also promised those responsible would be held "fully accountable."

"We are committed to restoring public trust in the university," the board statement concluded.

Paterno is fighting for his job amid "eroding" support from the board and the widening sex-abuse scandal.

Paterno's regularly scheduled news conference was abruptly canceled Tuesday. A university spokesman cited "ongoing legal circumstances," a reference to the charges announced over the weekend.

At least a thousand students descended on the administration building about 11 p.m., EDT, chanting "Joe Paterno!" over and over, along with Penn State cheers. Many held up their smartphones to take photos or simply light up the night. A few young men climbed flag poles.

About 10 police officers stood on the steps of the building, guarding it.

Paterno's son, Scott, said his father was disappointed over the decision by PSU President Graham Spanier to cancel the news conference. Addressing reporters outside his parents' house, Scott said Joe was prepared to answer questions about Sandusky and further that his father plans to coach not only Saturday's game against Nebraska, but for the long haul.

Hundreds of fans staged a raucous rally outside Paterno's home. He appeared briefly, along with some family members, and thanked the crowd for coming.

"It's hard for me to say how much this means," the 84-year-old coach said. "I've lived for this place. I've lived for people like you guys and girls."

Asked if he was still the coach, Paterno didn't answer but a young woman who stood with her arm around him replied: "Now is not the time."

As he returned to his house, Paterno stopped and pumped his fists above his head, yelling, "We are ..."

"Penn State!" the crowd replied.

"We're always going to be Penn State," Paterno said. "I'm proud of you. I've always been proud of you. Beat Nebraska."

At an afternoon practice, managers hastily put plywood boards over an exposed fence to block photographers' view of the field.

Paterno, who earns about $1 million annually from the school, has been head coach for 46 years and part of the Penn State staff for more than six decades, and his old-school values pervade every corner of the program.
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Well, I don't think Joe Paterno resigning at the end of the season is enough.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I'm became familiar with the Clery Act, because of some things that happened at a university in Texas.  They got under the wire however, because of the way they classified some of the crimes on campus.  But what happened there is miniscule compared to Penn State's stuff right now. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paterno-penn-state-president-graham-spanier-sex/story?id=14913848#.Trsz8nJZrwI
Feds to Probe Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal: Joe Paterno and University President Graham Spanier Ousted
November 9, 2011

The U.S. Department of Education is launching an investigation into whether Penn State University officials mishandled the sexual abuse allegations that have rocked the university and are forcing out football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier.

Officials are checking to see if the university failed to comply with the Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act (the Clery Act), which requires colleges to disclose reported criminal offenses on campus.

"If these allegations of sexual abuse are true, then this is a horrible tragedy for those young boys," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a news release. "If it turns out that some people at the school knew of the abuse and did nothing or covered it up, that makes it even worse. Schools and school officials have a legal and moral responsibility to protect children and young people from violence and abuse."

Paterno released a statement today saying he was "absolutely devastated" by the scandal and would retire at the end of the season.

ABC News has learned that Spanier will be ousted from his position today, according to Penn State sources. The Board of Trustees will have a closed door meeting at 7 p.m.

Spanier apparently has submitted a letter or resignation and the board only needs to accept it, a source told ABC News' Lauren Pearle.

The turmoil follows the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, charged with abusing at least eight boys over 15 years.

Athletic director Tim Curly and Vice President for Finance Gary Shultz were charged Tuesday with not reporting the sexual abuse to police and lying to a grand jury under oath during the investigation.

Paterno and Spanier have come under intense pressure this because they were also told of at least one incident, but did not alert police.
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Paterno, who has coached the team for 46 years and is the winningest coach in top level college football ever, said it has been his intention to "serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care."

"That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can," Paterno said.

The coach had a closed meeting with his team and coaching staff this morning where he reportedly broke down in tears while telling them he was leaving, according to the Associated Press. Players, also choking back tears, gave him a standing ovation as he walked out of the gym, the report said.
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Sandusky was arrested Saturday and charged with molesting eight boys over 15 years, all of whom he met through his charitable organization, The Second Mile, a group home and outreach program for troubled boys.

The charges stem from a March 2002, incident in which graduate assistant coach Mike McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in a locker room shower in the Penn State football department. McQueary told Paterno what he saw, and Paterno in turn told Curly and Shultz. None of the men reported the incident to police.

The Pennsylvania attorney general said Monday that Curly and Shultz were legally required to alert police to the incident, while Paterno was only legally obligated to tell his superiors. But Paterno has come under fire for failing what police called a "moral obligation" to alert them to the crimes.
Penn State Sex Scandal Grows

Pressure has also increased on Spanier because Curly and Shultz reported to Spanier that there had been an inappropriate incident with Sandusky and a child in the locker room showers, and that they had taken away Sandusky's privilege of bringing children onto campus. Spanier approved the decision and never reported the Sandusky incident to police.

Sandusky allegedly molested some of the children that he brought to the Penn State campus to meet the team members and work out at the facilities. He also brought them along on trips to away games and plied them with gifts, according to the presentment.

Two earlier sexual assaults on campus had been brought to the attention of employees and administrators, neither of which were reported to the police, according to the attorney general. In 1998 two boys reportedly came forward to say Sandusky had fondled them in the team's showers. Campus police had eavesdropped on a conversation between Sandusky and one boy's mother. That mother recently described the exchange to local reporter Sara Ganim with the Patriot News.

"He admitted to taking the shower, he admitted to some extent something bad happened," the woman, who was not identified, said. "He asked her for forgiveness. He said 'I probably won't get it from you,' and then he said 'I wish I were dead.'"

The mother said that she was proud of her son, who had the courage stand up to one of the giants of college football, according to Ganim. The boy's allegation led to the three-year grand jury investigation that resulted in sexual assault charges.

Sandusky was a coach and defensive coordinator for the team for 23 years before retiring in 1999. After his retirement, he continued to have unlimited access to the football department and campus, and continued to run football camps for boys at Penn State's campuses.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57321624-504083/penn-state-sex-scandal-is-like-being-sucker-punched-says-former-player-brandon-noble/?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.5
Penn State sex scandal is "like being sucker-punched," says former player Brandon Noble
November 9, 2011

(CBS) Former Penn State defensive lineman Brandon Noble was in Bermuda when he got a text from a former teammate about the unfolding sex abuse scandal involving his old coach, Jerry Sandusky.

"It was like being sucker-punched," says Noble. "The whole football program at Penn State was based on accountability, responsibility, doing the right thing. That's what Jerry preached - and that's what makes this so devastating."
Noble, who spent nine years in the NFL after leaving Penn State in 1998, is now the head football coach for West Chester University in Pennsylvania.
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According to an explosive grand jury report, Sandusky is accused of molesting eight boys over a period of 15 years, engaging in behavior ranging from inappropriate touching to sodomy. Some of the alleged incidents occurred on the Penn State campus, in gyms and locker rooms to which Sandusky had access.
According to the grand jury report, a then-graduate assistant witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in a shower in one of the Penn State athletic buildings on March 1, 2002. The graduate assistant, who is not named in the grand jury report but has subsequently been identified as Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary,  told the grand jury that he reported what he saw to head coach Joe Paterno, and that Paterno later reported the allegations to Athletic Director Tim Curly. The grand jury noted that they found McQueary's testimony "very credible."

A little over a week later, Curly called McQueary to a meeting with Gary Schultz, the university's senior vice president for finance and business.

What happened at the meeting is unclear. Curly denied to the grand jury that McQueary had told him of sodomy or "anything of a sexual nature" occurring: "He termed the conduct as merely 'horsing around,'" reported the grand jury.

Schultz was also apparently "unsure" what McQueary had reported, but testified that the allegations were "not that serious."

According to the report, Curly and Schultz - both of whom have been charged with perjury and failing to report a crime - told the graduate assistant they would "look into it."

But according to the report, neither even discussed alerting the police - even the University Police, which Schultz oversaw. Schultz did testify, however, that he reported the information from McQueary to University President Graham Spanier.

Noble - who read the report and calls it "disturbing" - says that this alleged cover-up is nearly as upsetting as Sandusky's alleged behavior.

"We want to know why this wasn't handled differently," he says, speaking for himself and the other former Penn State football players he's been communicating with non-stop since the story broke,
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Noble thinks Paterno did the right thing Tuesday when he told reporters, "I wish I had done more," but says "I want to hear that from the people up the food chain."

Paterno announced Wednesday that he will step down from his position at the end of the season.

"Being a father, if someone saw something like this happening to my child, I would hope someone would call the police or step in," says Noble.

Still, he admits that the culture of football teams - at Penn State and elsewhere - is often insular.

"Every football team I've been a part of protects its own," says Noble. "Football is a dysfunctional family. You all come from very different backgrounds and not everyone gets along, but you want to keep those problems inside."

Asked how he would respond if one of his players or team members came to him with allegations similar to those levied against Sandusky, Noble is brutally honest:

"I would love to believe that I would do the right thing," he says. "But it's easy for me, sitting here in my office, to say that, absolutely I would contact the authorities and confront the person. But you just don't know how you're going react."

Either way, Noble says that the former players he's been communicating with are "very disappointed in the way the Penn State administration handled this."
"We're circling the wagons, we're going to start to heal - but we're going to have to do it ourselves."

Step one: Noble plans to attend Saturday's football game at Penn State.

This is a must read article.  Steve Kelley tells it like it is.  Also check out the poll and vote.  I don't mind sharing that my vote was "NO".
"Should Joe Paterno be allowed to continue as football coach at Penn State?" 
Yes or No? 

When I looked at the poll at 9:01 cst here's the score:
Should Joe Paterno be allowed to continue as football coach at Penn State?
Yes  26.6%  (572 votes) 
No  73.4%  (1,578 votes) 
Total Votes: 2,150

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/stevekelley/2016719319_kelley09.html?prmid=obinsite
Joe Paterno must speak up, then leave Penn State
Sex scandal will be football coach's legacy

Steve Kelley
Seattle Times staff columnist

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Did Joe Paterno break the law?

A long, but excellent article.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse


PSU trustees fire Paterno, Spanier
By GENARO C. ARMAS, Associated Press
10 minutes ago



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One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn’t go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower.

Paterno says he should have done more. Spanier has said he was not told the details of the attack.


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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/09/penn-states-joe-paterno-said-will-retire-at-end-season/

Penn State Ousts University President, Paterno

All these men had to do was speak up for the kids.
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http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551315/penn-state-riots-protest-joe-paterno-fired-state-college
Penn State Riot: Students Protest, Clash With Police After Joe Paterno Fired
Students took to the streets in State College after Joe Paterno was fired on Wednesday night. Crowds were clashing with police as the protest got out of hand.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state
Updated: November 10, 2011, 1:26 AM ET
Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier out
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.
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I'm merging this thread with one already started.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12322.msg1486825#new
Re: Former Penn State Coach Jerry Sandusky Charged with Sexually Abusing 8

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  The students have their priorities all wrong.  They should be angry and outraged with Joe Paterno and etc. for what happened to the young boys and for the cover up that ensued.  Instead they are throwing tantrums that their precious foot ball coach who helped cover up is getting what was coming to him.  Penn State was right in firing Joe Paterno imo.  To allow him to retire at the end of the season wouldn't have shown accountability.  And I'm sure the board knew there would be a backlash when they fired Paterno. 

::rhino::

I can't believe that students are rioting.  How screwed up is there thinking that they value a freakin' sport over the lives of children.  That could've been one of them assaulted and then ignored.

I agree 100%.
This is about children and their lives.Can you imagine what what kind of an impact seeing that display would do to you mentally as one of the victims?
While I was watching this during the night I heard someone say it really is unbelievable in reference to the coach.I call bull chit.It is unbelievable and a crying shame these children were treated in such a fashion.
There are so many kids out there hungry for love and attention,and this is not what they deserve.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am there was some firing going on.

What I can't believe is that these grown men interacted with Sandusky after knowing what he was doing.  Did they have him over for parties and bbq's around their own children and grandchild?  How did they stomach shaking his hand knowing that his hands had been violating innocent children?  I have no respect or sympathy for any of the men involved.  They should've grown a pair, beat his a$$ down, and then turned him in to authorities.

Now, I want to know of any connections these guys might have to Ray Gricar.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/gricars_nephew_on_1998_sandusk.html
Former Centre County DA Ray Gricar's nephew on 1998 Jerry Sandusky case: 'Ray was beholden to no one'
Published: Wednesday, November 09, 2011, 7:07 PM     Updated: Wednesday, November 09, 2011, 7:34 PM
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"People ask why Ray did not prosecute, and I have no problem saying, because he clearly felt he didn't have a case for a 'successful' prosecution," Tony Gricar said. "... One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden to no one, was not a politician."

Gricar also said his uncle had developed "a bitter taste in his mouth for the program, and it's coach, and that was not much of a secret."

"So I wouldn't imagine he'd give favorable treatment to anyone associated with the team for any reason," he said.

In that 1998 case, Gricar had the mother of one boy confront Sandusky in her home while police hid in another room.

According to the grand jury report, Sandusky admitted to taking a naked shower and touching the boy, asked for forgiveness and said, "I wish I were dead."

About six weeks after the incident, police closed the case.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7212054/key-dates-penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-case

Sandusky, Penn State case timeline


How many other possible victims are there out there that won't come forward because of the chaos going on on campus?

ITA

Absolutely.  ITA

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/coach_tom_bradley_to_hold_pres.html
Penn State interim head coach Coach Tom Bradley to hold press conference today at 11 a.m.
Published: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 8:57 AM     Updated: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 9:06 AM
Tom Bradley, the newly appointed head football coach at Penn State, is holding a press conference Thursday at 11 a.m.

It will be the first opportunity for him to address his new job, Joe Paterno's firing, charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, and the game Saturday against Nebraska.

The university’s board of trustees appointed Bradley as interim head coach Wednesday night. It had just unanimously fired Paterno, just hours after the 84-year-old football coach announced he would retire at the end of the season. The board also forced out Spanier, the long-term university president, with another unanimous vote.
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Important to know this is just a rumor so far 
 
SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'


 
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"I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation ... That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors."

Madden claims it's being investigated by "two prominent columnists."
http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11

I hope this is only a rumor alagary, but it should definitely be looked into. 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111110_PSU_disturbance_erupted_as_Paterno_appealled_for_calm.html
PSU disturbance erupted as Paterno appealled for calm
Posted November 10, 2011

This article was written by the same person that now leaks the "pimp" rumor. It comes from April of this year and all of it now makes sense. Be sure to read the original comments at the bottom.
Madden: Sandusky a State secret
 
http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

The rumor makes sense, in view of known facts. 

I'm more than curious about any connections between Second Mile and Ray Gricar.  Gricar's disappearance has remained a mystery for years, and it happened in the middle of all this.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/state_college_riots_joe_patern.html
Penn State students roam streets, taunt police after coach Joe Paterno is fired over sex-abuse scandal
Posted November 10, 2011 11:00 a.m., Updated November 10, 2011 12:02 p.m.

The mobs thought they had staked out the high ground. The open street warfare between Penn State students and police – a surge and flee campaign across half a dozen blocks – was entering its third hour.

The students had scored a few victories: They flipped a news van, tore down a few light posts, stomped in the hood of a car. But the police divided them with pepper spray and pushed them down College Avenue.

The students stood on their campus, on the hillside overlooking the street. They stood on College and they backed up McCallister Street. The students taunted the two officers at the edge of the police line they had surrounded.

A guy carrying a cardboard cutout of Joe Paterno ran along the hillside and they yelled for him like the coach was there in flesh and blood.

Someone on the hill hurled a flagstone the size of a youth football that clipped a cop in the shin.

“WE ARE, PENN STATE” boomed the crowds. The police charged up the hill.

 A woman on the sidewalk yelled back: “What does that even mean anymore?”

Students took to the streets after a 10 p.m. press conference in which the university Board of Trustees announced that football coach Joe Paterno and President Graham Spanier had been fired in the aftermath of a child sex-abuse scandal involving a former assistant football coach, Jerry Sandusky.
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housands of students rushed Old Main. They debated going to the Penn Stater where the Board of Trustees had gathered, but decided it was too far away. So they marched back into the canyon – because that’s the official riot location.

For blocks, they filled Beaver Avenue from storefront to store front. It was warm. Most people were in T-shirts or Penn State jerseys. They might have been drinking, but they weren’t loaded.

 At least half were enraged their trustees had fired Paterno. They alternated chanting his name and dropping F-bombs on Sandusky and the trustees. Maybe a quarter of the crowd came to watch. The rest hadn’t decided if they wanted to be a rioter or an ironic spectator.

The students, mostly men, yelled “this place is going to burn” as they worked their way through the crowds, but it was peaceable for an hour.

Time and again, when groups tried to bring down a light pole they were pulled off.  One woman slapped a would-be pole climber in the arm. “Would JoePa want you to do that?” she shouted at him.

The students let the small group of police assembled march through the crowd. Then they reformed and chanted some more.

It wasn’t all about a football coach. If it was, dozens of men wouldn’t have taken two women standing on a car as an invitation to yell “show your (breasts).”

A few people fired Roman candles over the crowd. At least one man threw firecrackers into the middle of his fellow students.

As the TV crews arrived from the trustees announcement and waded into the crowd, more F-bombs were hurled at them – except by the students who fit in the frame. They mugged for the cameras like they were in the front row of Beaver Stadium every single time.

Then something shifted.

A pole came down. More police moved in. For a moment, it seemed everyone was headed back to Old Main to yell at an empty building. They never quite made it.
After students flipped an ABC news truck, they stampeded away from the police as the pepper spray flew for the first time. Then the mob stopped. A few coughing men with swollen red eyes kept retreating. Everyone else, realizing the spray hadn’t gotten to them, surged right back toward the police.

Students held up their cell phones recording video, telling the cops it was all going to wind up on Youtube as evidence of brutality. After one officer was struck by the rock near McAllister Street, and the police charged, the crowd actually chanted “FIRST AMENDMENT.”

After the rocks came plastic bottles. More street signs came down. The windows of another news van got bashed in. The students continued to run through their game day repertoire of songs Block by block, the police pushed them back, and students drifted away, or sprinted back toward campus.

Through the week, the students – especially the crowds that swelled in Paterno’s defense – used one line from Penn State’s alma mater as their rallying cry: “May no act of ours bring shame.”*

You could see it written on one or two signs the students carried into Beaver Canyon Wednesday night, but the masses never got around to yelling that.

The riots really broke up around 1:30 a.m. Thursday. The mob was small enough that every time the police advanced, the students fled for blocks.

The students made their last stand near the corner of College and Heister. Much earlier Wednesday, Michael Pilato was at the same spot, painting Sandusky out of Pilato’s massive mural of Penn State and State College luminaries. In Sandusky’s place, Pilato painted a blue ribbon, to remind everyone of the nine children Sandusky is accused of abusing.

Through the day, support across campus had built for a “Blue Out” at Saturday’s game against Nebraska so the country could see that Penn State stood with the victims. Across town, as the “riot” morphed into a riot, Paterno again asked the students gathered at his house to say a prayer for those children.

No one was mentioned those kids as the police broke the students’ lines. Instead, the men and women in their blue and white T-shirts fled into the night, screaming Paterno’s name.

Did you see the article I posted on Gricar's disappearance in this thread? http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12322.msg1486728#msg1486728
 I read it with great interest, and I think we're going to be hearing more about this in the very near future.  I didn't really know about Gricar's disappearance until I read the article. 

Yes, I did read it.  I've been going over articles and websites concerning Gricar's disappearance, for several days.  Although I remember much of it, I need to read more.

Looks like Pandora's box has flipped it's lid.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/11/10/142212570/penn-state-scandal-families-of-alleged-victims-upset-by-protests-jokes
Penn State Scandal: Families Of Alleged Victims Upset By Protests, Jokes
November 10, 2011

With so much attention being given to the firing of football coach Joe Paterno and school President Graham Spanier, as well the long-term impact on the school from the sexual abuse scandal that came to light at Penn State this week, there's a danger of the alleged victims being forgotten.

Harrisburg's Patriot News reminds us that if former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky did indeed sexually abuse at least eight boys over the past decade or so (he denies the charges), there are some young men and their loved ones who are suffering — and that what's happening now is causing them more pain.

The sister of one boy is a junior at the school. She's spoken with the newspaper (which did not identify her to protect her brother's identity). Her brother was 11 when he was allegedly molested by Sandusky in one of the school's showers. She says:

— "I've been going to minimal classes, because every class I go to I get sick to my stomach. People are making jokes about it." Others, she said, have coined the verb "Sanduskied." You can imagine the context.

— The young woman also says that the scenes in State College, Pa., last night of students rioting in the streets because they're angry about Paterno's firing, mean that "if there was any pride left at PSU, it's gone now."

"I've just been really upset about it all," she added, "because a lot of people aren't focusing on the victims in this. And instead they're focusing on other things, like football."

Meanwhile, attorney Ben Andreozzi is advising some of Sandusky's alleged victims and their families. He says the Penn State trustees should have anticipated how students would react to news of Paterno's firing and perhaps held off — allowing the coach to retire at the end of the season instead, as Paterno wished.

Trustees "should have considered these victims watch TV and are aware of the students' reaction and may not want to be associated with the downfall of Mr. Paterno," Andreozzi tells the Patriot-News. "The school instead elected to do what it felt was in its own best interest at the time. Isn't that what put the school in this position in the first place?"
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I still think the board did the right thing and fired Paterno.  To allow him to retire at the end of the season would have been the easy way out, and to me, it would be an affront to the victims.  This is a very serious situation concerning the sexual abuse of children.  Fit throwers and rioters be damned.  The attorney Andreozzi says PS trustees should have anticipated how students would react to news of Paterno's firing and perhaps held off -allowing the coach to retire at the end of the season instead, as Paterno wished.  I guess that means that we should all walk on eggshells and not do anything that might rock the boat for the students, because they might get po'd?  What are they gonna do if JoePa is brought up on charges?  Is this a state university?  Or am I watching what looks like a third world country with a regime change?

slogger - I need to research more into the disappearance of Gricar. 

Eastern Pa. is not a good place to be a prosecuter.
http://www.yardbird.com/midnight_ride_another_missing_PA_prosecutor_1.htm

Thanks alagary.  The article has a lot of background and details.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/10/video-and-text-highlights-interim-penn-state-football-coach-tom-bradley-holds-press-conference/
12:15 pm ET November 10, 2011
Video and Text Highlights: Interim Penn State Football Coach Tom Bradley Holds Press Conference
by Happening Now Posted in: Gary Schultz, Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno, Linda Kelly, Penn State, Tim Curley, Tom Bradley 

Alright. Why is assistant Mike McQueary still going to coach?  Isn't this the same Mike McQueary that couldn't muster enough guts to stop Joe Sandusky when he saw him sexually abusing a young man in the showers because he was afraid?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  For shame! Bradley says "I grieve for the victims", yet he allows one of the witnesses that could have and should have stopped one of the abuse incidents to be on his staff?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-interim-coach-tom-bradley-replaces-joe-paterno-knew-sex-abuse-charges-article-1.975718
Penn State interim coach Tom Bradley replaces Joe Paterno, says he knew nothing of sex abuse charges
Bradley says assistant Mike McQueary will coach
November 10, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - Penn State’s interim football coach, Tom Bradley, denied any knowledge of sexual abuse allegations regarding former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky in 1998 and 2002 during his introductory press conference Thursday at Beaver Stadium.

“I grieve for the victims," Bradley said. “I grieve for the families."

Bradley, who played under Joe Paterno as a student athlete, declined to comment on Sandusky or characterize his relationship with the retired coordinator other than to acknowledge working under him. Bradley, who replaced Sandusky in 1999, insisted he had no reservations when he accepted the head job from interim president Rodney Erickson after Paterno was fired by the school’s board of trustees by telephone.

“I take this job with very mixed emotions, due to the situation," Bradley said. “I’ve been asked...to handle this.”

Bradley, the long-time defensive coordinator for the Nittany Lions, assumed leadership for the team as it prepared for Saturday’s noon kickoff against Nebraska.

He said he does not fear for his team’s safety, despite growing outrage over the way Penn State officials handled the sex abuse case, and rioting Thursday night by students who were protesting Paterno’s firing.

“I understood there was some activity last night," said Bradley, who has not slept since becoming head coach, of the student unrest that left shatered lightposts and a satellite truck flipped over. “I do not worry about the safety of our players on Saturday.”

Bradley met with his team captains and coaches at the football program's facility first Wednesday night. He then held a team meeting at 8 a.m. and reinforced his expectations moving forward with three regular season games remaining — the first at home Saturday and the next two on the road at Ohio State and Wisconsin.

Bradley said assistant coach Mike McQueary, who allegedly witnessed Sandusky having anal sex in the locker room showers with a young boy in 2002, is expected to remain on staff despite calls for him to step down. Bradley has not decided whether McQueary will be on the sidelines or in the coaches’ booth above. He called it a “game-time decision.”

“Players play, coaches coach, administrators administrate," Bradley said.
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"Players play, coaches coach, administrators administrate," Bradley said.  But aren't all these players, coaches, and administrators at this university fathers, sons, uncles, grandparents and etc. themselves?  Aren't they human beings that should have care and compassion for children?  So, it's just another day at Penn State?  I could say more.

Oh, really? "...take care of the kids, take care of the team..."  I assume "kids" are the university students (as in football players) and not the kids that are victims of sexual abuse.  I'm waiting to see who's going to take care of them.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-interim-coach-tom-bradley-replaces-joe-paterno-knew-sex-abuse-charges-article-1.975718
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Bradley fought back emotions when asked to describe Paterno's influence on him.

“Paterno will go down in history as one of the greatest men," Bradley said. “I had the privilege and honor to spend time and work with him."

He expected to speak with his former coach again before the game.

“(Paterno will say) take care of the kids, take care of the team," Bradley said.

Mcqueary was a record setting QB 96-97 that didn't have the balls to stop a then 58 year old man from raping a child. After Sandusky he should be the next one fired.

Yes.  It looks like PSU needs to do some more house cleaning. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45243509/ns/sports-the_new_york_times/#.TrwhG3JZrwI
Paterno aide engulfed in Penn State abuse case
McQueary witnessed alleged assault as graduate student, told his coach, but not police
November 10, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — When Mike McQueary went to Penn State Coach Joe Paterno’s house on the morning of March 2, 2002, he was a graduate assistant — the lowest rung on the coaching ladder beneath Paterno. Still, McQueary, 28 years old and a football lifer, had aspirations of one day becoming a head coach, maybe even at Penn State.
A former quarterback for Paterno, he had once been a fan attraction for his shock of bright orange hair and his State College roots. Popular and known for an easygoing, collegial manner, he was beginning the baby steps toward his dream job.

Nine years later, what McQueary told Paterno at that meeting — he had seen a former senior football coach molesting a young boy in the football building’s showers — has figured prominently in the most ignominious episode in university history.

On Wednesday night, Paterno, who had hoped to remain as coach for the final three games of the season, was fired. Graham B. Spanier, the highly regarded and long-serving president of Penn State, was removed. Penn State’s athletic director has already been charged by the authorities. The campus is in turmoil. And there is a football game Saturday that could determine the team’s season.
In an ugly episode that has torn at the soul of a proud university, set off criminal investigations and ended the career of one of the sport’s most accomplished and revered coaches, McQueary has occupied among the strangest of positions: he could be the star witness in the coming criminal cases against senior officials at the university; he has become the target for widespread criticism for not having acted more decisively himself nine years ago; and he could well be on the sideline Saturday for the game against Nebraska, helping execute a game plan devised by the coach he once dreamed he might succeed. A Penn State victory would leave it in position to reach a major bowl game.

Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight young boys over a 15-year-period. According to findings laid out by state investigators, only two Penn State employees were known to have witnessed Sandusky committing a sex crime: a janitor, who now has dementia and is not competent to testify, and McQueary.

“It’s not that he’s not willing,” John J. McQueary, his father, said about his son’s public silence. “I think it’s eating him up not to be able to tell his side, but he’s under investigation by the grand jury. He’ll make it. He’s a tough kid.”
McQueary’s parents, John and Anne, moved the family to State College when Mike was 6 and immediately bought season tickets for Nittany Lions football games. A former medical corpsman with the Navy’s special warfare operations, John became a physician assistant, and later, the chief operating officer of a large medical and surgical group in State College. He was also a renowned coach in the State College area himself in youth sports.

When Mike turned 13, his father talked the Penn State quarterback, John Shaffer, into coming by Mike’s birthday party to throw a football with him. As a gift, Shaffer threw Mike a new football as he left the party.

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In high school, McQueary was a star, and as a senior he led the State College Area High football team to a 13-1 record.

“He set high standards for himself and he was stellar in his attitude, his principles and his goals,” said Ron Pavlechko, who was the State College Area football coach for 19 years and later became the school’s athletic director.

McQueary’s final high school game was a loss in the state Class AAAA semifinal, the only game Paterno saw McQueary play in high school. Years later, McQueary said he thought he won Paterno’s support for a football scholarship in that hard-fought defeat.

“I think that was the game where he said, ‘This kid’s all right, at least he’s tough,’ ” McQueary said of Paterno in an interview with The Philadelphia Daily News in 1997.

Pavlechko, who played football at Penn State, said he thought McQueary stayed home for other reasons. “Around here, a lot of kids look at Penn State as the epitome of their goals,” Pavlechko said.

For four years at Penn State, McQueary was known only as the big redheaded kid who held a clipboard on the sideline. He redshirted his freshman year, then played behind Kerry Collins for a year and Wally Richardson for two. He remained a positive influence, teammates said, despite the lack of playing time. Each Thanksgiving, he invited teammates who could not go home to his family’s house. Football players are hefty eaters, and John and Anne McQueary’s home became known for its mammoth annual feast.

McQueary finally got his chance to start as a senior in 1997, with Penn State opening the season ranked No. 1. He set a team record for passing yards in his first game, and Penn State won its first seven games. The Nittany Lions stumbled to a 9-3 final record, although McQueary’s final home game was a 35-10 win in which he threw three touchdown passes.
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Undrafted by the N.F.L., he kicked around pro training camps without landing a roster spot until, in 1999, he returned to Penn State to help with recruiting. Working toward a master’s degree in education administration, he joined the coaching staff the next season as a graduate assistant.

But on Friday, March 1, 2002, in an episode that those close to McQueary say left him shocked and confused — and that would return to haunt his life and the fortunes of his university years later — he entered the locker room in Penn State’s Lasch Football Building at about 9:30 p.m. to put a new pair of shoes in his locker and pick up some recruiting tapes, according to the report of the grand jury that investigated the allegations involving Sandusky. Coaches commonly keep late hours but not so much in the off-season months, like March. Besides, the lights were not on in the offices, but toward the locker room. That is not usual. And a shower was running.

According to the report, McQueary heard “rhythmic, slapping sounds,” which he believed to be those of sexual activity. He walked to his locker, opened it and put his sneakers inside. He then turned his head and looked into the shower.

He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.

Weeks later, according to state prosecutors, those officials told McQueary that Sandusky had been barred from bringing children onto campus.

To date, it is unclear whether McQueary was satisfied or outraged. But there is no evidence that he did anything else to see Sandusky more meaningfully investigated or punished.

What he did do was continue his climb up the ranks of Paterno’s coaching staff.

By 2004, he was named the wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator in a staff shakeup after a dreadful 3-9 season. He replaced Jay Paterno, Joe’s son, as recruiting coordinator, and when the 2005 team went 11-1, a boost in the program’s recruited talent was lauded for the turnaround.

Over time, still so visible on the sideline because of his red hair, McQueary came to be known as the coach Paterno yelled at when things went wrong. He was often at Paterno’s side, relaying plays called from the coaches’ box upstairs to the quarterback on the field.

“Everyone wants to know what Coach is saying to me when he’s yelling at me,” McQueary, who is married with a young daughter, told a Pennsylvania newspaper in August. “It’s really everything under the sun. It’s something different every time. Coach has a knack for saying things or thinking about things during the course of a game that some of us aren’t thinking about. It’s like anything you do in life. If you’re not emotional, animated or intense about it, then why do it?”

At about that time, in an interview with The New York Times Magazine, McQueary said he dreamed of one day coaching the Nittany Lions, then added, “But Joe will probably outlive me.”

In the last few months, after injuries to Paterno, who is 84, relegated him to watch games from the coaches’ box, he chose to communicate with one coach on the sideline via a headset: McQueary, his long-time-ago graduate assistant.

I don't know if we can put info about Ray Gricar in here, but I found another article:

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/25/case-of-missing-pa-district-attorney-ray-gricar-baffles-police/

Case of Missing Pa. District Attorney Baffles Police, Family
Jan 25, 2011 – 7:15 PM

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 A search of his vehicle did not indicate a struggle or any sign of foul play, but investigators did find cigarette ashes inside the vehicle.

"Now we're not talking a lot. [It was] some minute cigarette ash on the passenger's side," Bellefonte police officer Darrell Zaccagni told The Cleveland Free Times in 2005. "When they opened the car ... a cigarette smell came out of the car. Ray didn't smoke. And he never let anybody smoke inside his Mini Cooper. Ray was very fastidious about his car."
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In the days that followed, the FBI, along with Pennsylvania State Police investigators, was called in to assist in the case. Speculation soon turned to suicide -- a subject the Gricar family is all too familiar with.

In May 1996, Roy J. Gricar -- Ray Gricar's brother and Tony Gricar's dad -- disappeared in Dayton, Ohio. His car was found abandoned across the street from the office where his son worked. A search of the area was conducted, but authorities found no trace of Roy Gricar.
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"When we got the phone call our uncle was missing, we headed down," he said. "When we got there it was exactly the same scenario in terms of proximity of the vehicles to the water. Geographically speaking, it was identical. It was, in fact, a mirror opposite as far as what side of the bridge the car was found."

Nevertheless, he is not yet ready to settle on that theory, noting that the water was not very deep and the drop from the bridge was only about 25 feet at the time his uncle went missing.

"It is not a drop that will kill you," Tony Gricar said. "He also had some swimming capability. That time of the year you're looking more at hypothermia than anything else."

He added, "It's a pleasure-boating river. A few miles down there are pontoon boats. So, between sport fishers, hunters and the sheer number of boats they had out there searching and the aerial searches, they would have found something."
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According to Tony Gricar, the one thing that never made sense to police was his uncle's financial situation.

"He was making a fair amount of money; but, at least from a forensic accounting standpoint, the thought is there that there should have been more cash," he said. "But, for somebody from his generation, which [preferred to] deal in cash, what is the appropriate amount that should be sitting in an account?"
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There are three possible scenarios in the case and, according to Tony Gricar, none really fits.

Runaway: "The runaway doesn't make a lot of sense. It never has," Tony Gricar said. "I guess if you want to oversimplify it -- what's the point? There's been nothing. No scandal tied to the office or anything that would allude to that. If he wanted to do his own thing, why not wait the few months until his scheduled retirement? It really doesn't make much sense."

Homicide: "He was in the midst of being a part of the largest drug ring bust in central PA history -- a heroin deal," Tony Gricar said. "But it was a [small] amount compared to anywhere else, so there was no point to off a prosecutor or, as some have speculated, for him to go into witness protection."

Suicide: "If you want to go the suicide route, anybody can commit suicide," Tony Gricar said. "But there are none of those indicators that typically go along with it. He obviously could have had an undiagnosed or hidden depression -- it obviously runs in the family -- but why?"
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Thought there was some new info in here (I haven't read all the articles about him yet) and it was interesting his disappearance was so similar to his brothers suicide (Maybe he used it as to fake his disappearance?)

Also found it interesting that the nephew speaks of the money situation and that they expected more to be in his accounts.

Also.. how the nephew speaks of no scandals or reasons to run or even reasons to commit suicide (little did he know)

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/joe-paterno-penn-state-coach-scores-fair-treatment-heavy-handed-tv-news-article-1.975743?localLinksEnabled=false
Joe Paterno, former Penn State coach, scores fair treatment from usually heavy-handed TV news
Although reporters haven't shown reverence for the iconic figure, coverage has been cautious
November 10, 2011

The next time they feel like tipping over a news van, some of those Penn State students might want to consider the possibility that, given what we know, their former football coach Joe Paterno is getting pretty evenhanded treatment from the evil, bloodthirsty and amoral media.
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If Paterno had his TV set on, he heard harsh criticism about what he didn’t do after he was apparently informed of those allegations in 2002. He reported them to his superiors, which was his legal obligation, and then seemingly forgot about them – while maintaining a relationship with Sandusky at the school and in the football program.

Given this situation, reporters have not been showing the reverence and awe that Penn State students and football fans clearly feel toward JoePa.

But through all the coverage, from the almost wall-to-wall analysis on ESPN to headline reports on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, there has been a running note of caution about Paterno’s culpability and responsibility.

ESPN college football analyst Chris Spielman reflected the general tone when he called Paterno a “good man” who made “a bad choice” and now has to “own it.”

ESPN’s Mark Schwartz said he heard the one thing Paterno wanted to do was “clarify” what happened – which might put a different perspective on the situation, but which can look a little suspicious when it comes nine years after the fact.

WFAN’s Mike Francesa, speaking to Chuck Todd on MSNBC, framed Paterno’s actions as a “decision” and a “judgment” that was so poor it “borders on criminal.”

ESPN’s Mike Greenberg broadened that same issue by saying any web of culpability seemed to extend much wider – that no one anywhere in the Penn State chain seemed interested in even learning the name of the preteen boy Sandusky allegedly molested in the Penn State locker room in 2002.
So Paterno has been in the media cross-hairs, which raises an eternal question: How much is the media giving the people what they want, and how much is the media giving the people what the media finds juicy?

But let’s face it: Any case that involves a legendary football coach and allegations of child molestation coverup is not going to be tucked somewhere back below the weather report.

Given that incendiary combination, the Paterno coverage could have gone all the way to the levels of O.J. Simpson, where there was clearly a widespread presumption of guilt and the only question was whether and how he would pay.

In Paterno’s case, there has been more an undertone of sadness, often juxtaposed against the almost poignant footage of the demonstrative, gesturing coach outside his home after he was fired.
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In the long-term picture, CBS legal analyst Jack Ford sounded the necessary and sometimes forgotten cautionary note on ESPN when he brought up the Duke lacrosse case, where the truth turned out to be far different and less outrageous than the initial allegations.

But in this case, despite the fact no act outrages more people than child molestation, even the most infuriated commentators weren’t ready to start drawing and quartering.

CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin, after declaring the whole case a “moral monstrosity” and saying Penn State had to remove Paterno, seemed to suggest we have yet to parse exactly who deserves what part of the blame.

One of the most replayed pieces of TV footage Thursday came from the moment Paterno ended his brief public remarks outside his house Wednesday night.

As he is closing the door, we hear one of his many student supporters yell, “Thanks for everything, Joe!”

Well, thanks for almost everything.

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/10/8739016-paterno-aide-engulfed-in-penn-state-abuse-case#comments
The above is the link to some interesting comments.

The comments were from this news article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45243509/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/#.TrwppXJZrwI
Paterno aide engulfed in Penn State abuse case
McQueary witnessed alleged assault as graduate student, told his coach, but not police

A Statement from The Second Mile 11.6.2011
 
http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php

Edit to fix subject line.  MB

OT  -  Klaas/Muffy or whomever, how did Lisa Irwin's Header end up on this thread?  Just being curious, never seen this happen before.
Edit to fix subject line.  MB

Alagary accidentally made  his "The Second Mile" post in Lisa Irwin's thread, and that's why it had Lisa Irwin in the subject line. I moved it and there is a little box to check and etc. to change it when it gets moved to another thread.  I thought I had checked it, but must have missed it this time around.  It's fixed now.  ::bee::

Yes, me too.  I don't believe the suicide theory, which leaves me with the murder theory.  Two incidents going on:  drugs and Sandusky.  Hmm, guess we can't ignore the "big money in football."

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Supposition:  Gricar didn't have enough for a successful prosecution by the time Sandusky was separated from the University.  Did Gricar know about the accusations of 2002?

Sandusky was not out of Second Mile until 2008; and was still on campus until about two weeks ago.

ITA agree Kitty. I am nauseous reading all of this and now the Ray Gricar connections. What goes around comes around, eh? Karma is a b**** ::MonkeyMad::

Also, MUFFYBEE- Thank you for all of the articles and research you have brought over!! ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/idUS243570156420111110
Don't Cry for Me Joe Paterno
November 10, 2011
By Carole Mallory at TheWrap

Tears were shed Wednesday morning by 84-year-old Joe Paterno when he met with the Penn State football team and announced his retirement -- but was he crying for the boys raped and molested during his days as Happy Valley’s legendary football coach? 

Apparently the Board of Trustees didn’t think so and fired the iconic Paterno by phone while the president of 16 years, Dr. Graham Spanier, "was allowed" to resign. John Surma, VP of PSU’s Board of Trustees said, “We thought to allow this process to continue was damaging to the university. We had to end it and to make a change in the leadership. This was a unanimous view for long term benefit of the university and to show this university is about more than just sports.”

Jerry Sandusky, the defensive coach under Paterno, and who was a professor emeritus of physical education, has been arrestedon charges of molesting and raping eight young boys (though the number is some say up to 17) over a 15-year time span. One alleged victim was a 10-year-old boy. 

Bottom Line: The Board of Trustees did not believe Paterno did enough to stop Sandusky. A thousand students gathered on campus Wednesday night to protest Paterno’s firing.
Much more...
(This article is written by a former fiance of Dick Hoak, both attended Penn State)

YW cartfly. As I read articles I see a bit of information or a statement I hadn't seen previously, so I post it.  I think we are just on the very tip of a big iceberg. 

According to Second Mile, Sandusky left in 2008; according to Grand Jury, he left in 2010.

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/college/football/view/20111110penn_state_players_saddened_by_joe_paternos_retirement_stunned_by_developments/srvc=home&position=recent
Penn State players saddened by Joe Paterno’s retirement, stunned by developments
November 10, 2011

(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20111110/0b7577_Mural_11102011.jpg)
AP
The mural where the image of former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, a who was accused of molesting eight boys over 15 years, was painted over and replaced with an empty chair is seen today in State College, Pa.

BTW, in reference to the mural posted in my previous post, isn't that Mike McQueary's likeness on the bottom, under the platform, second from left? 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paternos-firing-penn-state-attorney-general-concern/story?id=14925158#.TrxIwnJZrwI
Joe Paterno Fired, Others Not: Attorney General's Office Has 'Concern'
November 10, 2011

Pennsylvania's attorney general has voiced "concern" over Penn State University's firing of legendary football coach Joe Paterno and the treatment of other witnesses and officials involved in a child sexual abuse case.

Nils Hagen-Frederiksen, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania attorney general's office, noted that the two officials charged with perjury and failure to report the abuse are being defended by the university, while Paterno was fired.

"We have a cooperating witness [Paterno], an individual who testified, provided truthful testimony," Hagen-Frederiksen told ABCNews.com, "but two others who were found by a grand jury to commit perjury whose legal expenses are being paid for university. One is on administrative leave. Very interesting development."

"It's certainly curious and [has] not been explained yet," he said. "Speaking as a prosecuting agency, we have a cooperating witness who has not been charged, while two individuals accused of committing crimes continue to be affiliated."

Following is a description of the main players in the Penn State sex scandal, what they knew, what they did and what happened to them.
(I've provided the list of the main players, but please read about them at the link)
Gerard "Jerry" Sandusky
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Mike McQueary
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Joe Paterno
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Tim Curley
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Gary Schultz
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Graham Spanier
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/joe-paterno-presidential-medal-freedom-rescinded-/1
Senators rescind support for Paterno medal
November 10, 2011

Updated 4:37 p.m. ET

Pennsylvania's two U.S. senators are rescinding their support for a Presidential Medal of Freedom for Joe Paterno, in the wake of the legendary football coach's dismissal amid a sex abuse scandal at Penn State.

Sens. Bob Casey, a Democrat, and Pat Toomey, a Republican, had sent a letter to President Obama in September backing Paterno for the nation's highest civilian honor.

But that was before allegations of child sex abuse against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky rocked the Penn State community. Paterno, coach of the Nittany Lions for 46 years, and university president Graham Spanier were fired last night.

In a joint statement, the senators said they were rescinding their support "in light of recent events in State College." Here's the rest of their statement:

    We hope the proper authorities move forward with their investigation without delay. Penn State is an important institution in our commonwealth. We should turn our attention to the victims of these atrocious crimes and ensure they get the help they need. Our hearts and prayers go out to them and their families.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said the president has no comment on any aspect of the Penn State scandal, except that Obama's thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.
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I think you hit the nail on the head there. My fear is that this is going to involve child pornography/child sex ring... could just be my over active imagination.

I can not stop thinking about these children and the ones who failed to help them.

I don't think you have an over active imagination cartfly.  I think it's more a case of you having kept up with the news and seeing what can and has happened.  We don't have that much information yet and already it's looking bad for the young victims.  I'm not sure we'll ever know the true extent.  Some may feel shame at coming forward, they or their families were paid off or given gifts etc, or feel threatened.  And of course, there  may be some very rich and/or powerful people involved.  There's a post further up thread alagary posted about a rumor that Sandusky was "Pimped out Young Boys to Rich Donors".  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12322.msg1486914#msg1486914 You may have seen it, but I wanted to include the link since I referenced it. It's getting where nothing shocks or surprises me much any more.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Mike McQueary Will Have to Publicly Live with His Cowardice: A Fan’s Perspective

 
We all know Mike McQueary didn't walk in that locker room expecting to be faced with a situation where heroism was needed. That boy didn't need an out and out hero that night. Neither did the victims after him. What they needed was a leader. Hell, what they needed was a human being.

Instead, they got Mike McQueary
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10399373

ITA MUFFYBEE.  My husband is PSU alumini and we both feel that JoePa was really just being arrogant in his earlier yesterday report saying he would retire at the end of this season.  He was trying to nothing but save his job, his pension and his character.  He knew the details and he knew the board would oust him and he thought by saying he would retire at the end of the season he  was bystepping them.  Once again his arrogance showed and once again he was proven wrong.  He was doing nothing more then trying to save himself.  If he ever really cared about PSU Lions and the school he would have turned this situation over to the State Police at the getgo.  He was more worried about his precious team, his precious school and all the outside dollars flooding in then about the corrupt nature of a member of his staff..

Had they been brain surgeons or rocket scientists instead of jocks..maybe just maybe ..they would have thought this through and known that they should do the right thing when things happen..rather then try to cover them up in arrogance..like the truth doesn't always eventually shine through the clouded glass of greed.

Good lord..why do we pay so much to these ridiculous people anyway..and yes it is ricidulous to me that sports figures make the salary they do...I think people have lost sight of the fact all these people do is play a game..a friggin game..and we pay them millions...and the guy studying hard..who may be the next person to cure cancer, the common cold, fight hunger or pick whatever stirs your heart..they have intelligence..not brute force and arrogance..and we pay them zilch in comparison.  We have reaped what we have sown..a nation that values entertainment more then health, well being, security..and that's how we pay people..you entertain me..you get the most...even the old Kings knew that was folly, that's why the court jester was more or less consider the fool..but us we are slow learners in this fast paced 21 century..we haven't moved or accomplished much in the name of brotherhood, manhood, or world peace..but we pay people who can throw a ball more then we pay our president, doctors in research and anyone else for that matter that fills a service in our society....football, basketball, baseball, anyone of those do not fill a need, help anyone other then the players and owners, nor do they contribute to our society in general..it is just a game that children play in school yards..WTH is wrong with us that we pay grown man to play a child's game and then expect them to act like adults?

Thank you for sharing your and your husband's feelings on the situation Gypsy, especially since he is PSU alumni.  I don't intend to paint all PSU students, faculty, parents & alums with a wide brush.  I'm sure there are many that feel the way you and your husband do.  I think Joe Paterno should have done the honorable thing and stepped down immediately, instead of his end of season offer to retire.  Instead, the Board of Trustee's had to fire him, which caused a big back lash with the students.  Joe Paterno should have led by example imo.  

There's just so much money and power in college sports.  

Michael Reagan’s commentary is must read in its entirety.

Janet
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Don’t Be an Enabler — When a Child Is Abused, Here’s What to Do
By Michael Reagan
Published November 10, 2011

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Coach, you knew back in 2002 that Jerry Sandusky had anally raped a ten-year-old boy in the Lasch Football Building. You handled the matter quietly with your athletic director, Tim Curley. You took away the rapist’s keys and barred him from the facility—but you didn’t call the police. You didn’t lift a finger to help the victim. No hindsight needed, coach. You screwed up.

Yes, we all know about your 61-year career at Penn State. But when you allow children to be victimized right under your nose, you wipe out 61 years of achievement. The Jerry Sandusky scandal is your legacy now. …

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/10/dont-be-enabler-when-child-is-abused-heres-what-to-do/

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Michael Reagan is the son of President Ronald Reagan. He is a political consultant, the founder and chairman of The Reagan Group, and president of The Reagan Legacy Foundation. Visit his website at http://www.reagan.com, and visit the Michael Reagan Center at Arrow Child & Family ministries. Portions of this column are adapted from his book “Twice Adopted.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/10/dont-be-enabler-when-child-is-abused-heres-what-to-do

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/10/penn-st-scandal-how-parents-can-talk-to-their-kids-about-sex-abuse/?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true
Penn State Scandal: Can We Trust Coaches with Our Kids?
November 10, 2011

In a report on Paterno's dismissal on Wednesday, TIME's Sean Gregory plucked a salient quote from Paterno By The Book, the coach's 1989 autobiography. "Coaches have the same obligations as all teachers," wrote Paterno, 84. "Except that we may have more moral and life-shaping influence over our players than anyone else outside of their families."

As Gregory noted, "no one fumbled" that moral influence worse than Paterno, by failing to report to the authorities alleged sexual abuse by a former Penn State defensive coach, Jerry Sandusky. Kids are taught to respect authority figures like Sandusky, who more than 30 years ago launched The Second Mile, a charity for troubled children. Sandusky is accused of molesting at least eight boys he met through the program.

Ironic? Hardly. It's the modus operandi for most sex offenders, who purport to assist, nurture and advise children. The mission of The Second Mile, according to the grand jury that indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of sexually inappropriate encounters with minors, is to "help children who need additional support and would benefit from positive human interaction." First sexual predators gain the trust of children and their parents. Then they take advantage.
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In recent decades, rates of sexual abuse have actually plunged. Child molestation by casual acquaintances and sexual abuse by caregivers decreased 61% from 1992 to 2009, according to the Crimes against Children Research Center
 at the University of New Hampshire.

David Finkelhor, the center's director, credits the decline to increased awareness, better prosecution and school-based prevention programs. "Parents are much more vigilant than they used to be," says Finkelhor, who advises parents to stay aware of what's happening in a kid's environment. That means thinking through a situation thoroughly before letting your child be alone with an adult you don't know well. Many youth sports leagues have gone a step further, establishing protocols for preventing inappropriate contact by requiring multiple adults to be present at practices.

"If your league doesn't have rules about this, it's a problem," says Bob Cook, who writes Your Kid's Not Going Pro, a youth sports blog on Forbes.com. Just as schools do with volunteers, says Cook, sports leagues should conduct background checks on coaches. Yet even Cook, who has coached all four of his kids' sports teams, wonders whether doubting coaches' integrity could backfire. "It's a fine line," he says. "You can't go and assume everyone who deals with your kid is a child molester."
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In fact, the reality is that the people most likely to harm your child are members of your own family and close social network. "You can't tell a sex offender by looking at them," says Feigh. "There isn't a red "S.O." on their shirt." It's their curious behavior that's often a tip-off — lavishing gifts on children and wanting to spend more time with your child than you do. Says Finkelhor: "Uncles and grandfathers and mothers' boyfriends are much more frequent abusers than coaches."

Along those lines, Sandusky's former daughter-in-law is taking no chances. The mother of Sandusky's grandchildren — ages 5, 7 and 9 — obtained a court order Tuesday prohibiting Sandusky from unsupervised visits with his grandchildren and barring overnights at Grandpa's.

What an idiot! “How do you fire Jo Pa? insult. no class. as a hawkeye (University of Iowa) fan I find it in poor taste."   ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2011/11/10/ashton-kutcher-under-fire-for-twitter-posts/
Ashton Kutcher under fire for Twitter posts
November 10, 2011

Ashton Kutcher has shut down his Twitter account after sparking outrage by defending ousted college football coach Joe Paterno.
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Paterno has come under fire for failing to take more action against Sandusky, who has been charged with molesting eight boys over a 15-year period.

”Kutcher took to his Twitter account to question the board of trustees’ decision to fire Paterno, writing, “How do you fire Jo Pa? insult. no class. as a hawkeye (University of Iowa) fan I find it in poor taste.

His comment prompted a flurry of angry messages from offended followers, with several criticizing Kutcher for his response in light of the charity he co-founded to end child sex slavery.

The “Two and a Half Men” star quickly deleted the post and closed his page, admitting he felt “awful” about his comment.

He tweeted, “As an advocate in the fight against child sexual exploitation, I could not be more remorseful for all involved in the Penn St. case. As of immediately I will stop tweeting until I find a way to properly manage this feed. I feel awful about this error. Won’t happen again.”

He included a link to a post on his blog saying that he’s turned over his Twitter account management to his production company. He writes, “Up until today I have posted virtually everyone of my tweets on my own, but clearly the platform has become to big to be managed by a single individual… While I will continue to express myself through @Aplusk I’m going to turn the management of the feed over to my team at Katalyst Media to ensure the quality of it’s (sic) content.”
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https://www.internationalrewardscentre.com/component/content/article/887-demi-moore-and-ashton-kutcher-speak-out-against-child-slavery.html
Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher Speak Out Against Child Slavery
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A couple on a mission, Demi Moore and husband Ashton Kutcher are spreading the word about the international problem of child slavery. "This is another opportunity to engage people and to create awareness that human trafficking exists right here in America," Demi explained. Kutcher added, "I don't want to be in a world where that's happening and not do something to stop it." The actor has launched a campaign called "Real Men Don't Buy Girls" that has successfully gone viral thanks to the support of famous pals Bradley Cooper, Justin Timberlake, Sean Penn, and many others.
About The Demi and Ashton Foundation

Believing that freedom is a basic human right, Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher founded The Demi and Ashton Foundation (DNA) to raise awareness about child sex slavery, change the cultural stereotypes that facilitate this horrific problem, and rehabilitate innocent victims. DNA is a U.S.-based nonprofit organization.
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He was a young guy who went through what he thought was the proper chain of command.  I don't think its right for him to be held to a higher standard that grown men who'd be coaching for decades.  I see those closest to Sandusky and in supervisory positions as more culpable.  Pointing a finger at McQueary makes him the bad guy and Paterno and others less so.  I'm not buying it.  Every time they look at their grandsons they need to think about what they allowed to happen.  Shameful.

I would really want to know what was on RG's harddrive.  Child porn connected to Sandusky?  I'm sorry but I can't believe that one man would be so connected to such a case as this and just happen to turn up missing.  nope.  A coincidence like that is just too unbelieveable to really happen. 

I wonder if the laptop hard drive is still around.  Technology in 2005 when it was found is much different today then it was then.  Maybe information could be recovered?  And the article I had posted earlier only mentioned internet searches like "how to wreck a hard drive".  I wonder if there was anything pertaining to Sandusky or child porn?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html
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On April 15, 2005, Gricar, then 59, took the day off. At about 11:30 a.m., he called his girlfriend, Patricia Fornicola, to say he was taking a drive on Route 192. About 12 hours later, she reported him missing.

The next day, Gricar’s Mini Cooper was found in a parking lot in Lewisburg, about 50 miles from his home in Bellefonte. Gricar’s cellphone was in the car, but not his laptop, wallet or keys, which were never recovered. Months later, the laptop was found in the Susquehanna River without its hard drive, which was discovered later. It was too damaged to yield any information. On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.
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I believe the term "sex scandal" minimizes the very serious nature of events at PSU.  There's a reason I started this thread under "Crimes Against Children, Elderly and Disabled" and not "Sports" or "News of the Day".  The reason:  because what Sandusky has done and the others that enabled him to continue to sexually abuse young boys are "Crimes Against Children".  We need to call it what it is.   No need to soft pedal it.   And here's an article I whole heartedly agree with:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/editors-desk/media-criticized-penn-state-isn-t-a-sex-scandal/article_f5cc5966-0bf3-11e1-b41b-001a4bcf6878.html
Media criticized: Penn State isn't a 'sex scandal'
November 10, 2011

Self-proclaimed "tech culture journalist" Xeni Jardin has criticized the media for using "sex scandal" in reporting the turmoil at Penn State, notes Steve Myers of the Poynter media training institute.

Jardin tweeted: "Media dudes: a "sex scandal" is when someone has an affair. Raping children is something else."
Searches for "sex abuse" have tripled since Saturday, when the grand jury indicted former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, according to Google Trends. But searches for "sex scandal" also have increased by at least the same amount.
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The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Joe Paterno's firing and other developments on its front page this morning under a main headline that read: "Shake-up at Penn State." One of two smaller headlines under the main headline read: PATERNO, SCHOOL HEAD FIRED -- Fallout from sex scandal involving former assistant coach."

KittyMom ... I respectfully disagree.

Mike McQueary was 28 years old when he witnessed Jerry Sandusky in the act of raping a 10/11 year old boy and did nothing.  If that little boy was your son/grandson would you  give Mike McQueary a pass.

When you consider Mike McQueary's current position within the football program at Penn ... it is obvious that he was benefited over the years by his silence.

I am disgusted!!!

Did you read the Grand Jury transcript regarding the hell that little boys experienced because an adult who witnessed and adults who had knowledge did nothing.

I am disgusted with them all!!  Personal integrity and the integrity of the University would be intact today if it were not for a conspiracy of silence.

Janet

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I heard it being compared to what went on in the catholic church. 

Whoa...I thought I read 21 and he was a grad student.  Now I have to find where I read that.  If he was 28yrs old that is a different story.  Those 7 years would give him experience and perspective.  Going to read back now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/mc-penn-state-paterno-aftermath-20111110,0,2115667.story
Penn State interim president says more coming on McQueary
Rodney Erickson's remarks come as trustees seek to contain fallout from child sexual abuse scandal.
November 10, 2011

Penn State introduced its first new head football coach in nearly half a century on Thursday, even as State College recovered from the riot that followed the firing of legendary coach Joe Paterno and the Board of Trustees continued to meet on how to contain the fallout.

Early Thursday evening, Penn State interim president Rodney Erickson emerged from a trustees meeting, telling reporters to "stay tuned" for more on assistant coach Mike McQueary, who told a grand jury he witnessed former coach Jerry Sandusky allegedly assaulting a young boy in 2002 when he worked as a graduate assistant.

With Paterno fired and univesrity President Graham Spanier tendering his resignation, McQueary emerged as the focus of the media ire with commentators questioning why the former Penn State quarterback didn't stop the alleged sexual encounter.

Erickson offered no other details. But earlier Wednesday interim coach Tom Bradley said McQueary would be at Saturday's game against Nebraska, but his role was undetermined. A trustee who asked not to identified because of the sensitive nature of the scandal said the trustees do not want McQueary on the field for fear of his safety.

At a news conference at the Penn Stater on Thursday afternoon, Gov. Tom Corbett sidestepped questions about the fate MQueary.

"The university -- and you will have to talk to the university itself -- still has some deliberations to make in that respect," the governor said.

When he was asked his personal opinion about what should happen, "I'm not going to give you my opinion yet. I have many opinions. This is not the time to be sharing that. I have to see that the university addresses it in a proper way. I would remind everybody, it would appear … I'm going to back off on McQueary."
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Under the circumstances (see my bold) maybe an attorney is a wise idea.  Was he getting legal advice previously, but not in a formal fashion?  What would an attorney have advised him when told about the assistant coach sexually abusing a young boy? 

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8742718-paterno-hires-criminal-defense-lawyer-source-tells-nbc-news
Paterno hires criminal defense lawyer, source tells NBC News
November 10, 2011

Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case, a source close to the case told NBC News.

J. Sedgwick Sollers, who once represented President George H.W. Bush in the Iran-Contra affair, was hired by Paterno on Thursday. The longtime Penn State football coach was fired Wednesday night after disclosures in a grand jury report that one of his assistants informed him in 2002 about an alleged incident of sexual abuse by former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Paterno has not been charged with any crimes in the case. He has been described as a cooperating witness in the case. Two other university officials who Paterno told about the incident were charged this week with failing to report Sandusky's conduct to legal authorities and perjury.

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A source close to Paterno said that in addition to the investigations by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office, the former coach is concerned about the likelihood of civil lawsuits by Sandusky's alleged victims and their families. 

Last Man Standing
Mike McQueary says that he saw Jerry Sandusky sexually assault a child. Why does he still have a job at Penn State?
By Josh Levin|Posted Thursday, Nov. 10, 2011, at 6:00 PM ET

On March 1, 2002, Mike McQueary allegedly walked into the Penn State locker room and saw Jerry Sandusky raping a young boy. According to the grand jury report in the Sandusky case, McQueary—then a 28-year-old graduate assistant for the Nittany Lions football team—“left immediately, distraught.”  McQueary then called his father, who advised him to tell coach Joe Paterno what he’d seen. He did as his father advised, and a short while later, he told Penn State’s athletic director Tim Curley and administrator Gary Schultz as well. A few weeks later, the report explains, Curley told McQueary “that Sandusky’s keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to The Second Mile,” Sandusky’s nonprofit for at-risk children. Until he testified before the grand jury, that’s where the story ended for Mike McQueary. He was never interviewed by Penn State police, and he never reported Sandusky’s actions to any other agency.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_he_says_that_he_saw_jerry_sandusky_sexually_assault_a_child_why_does_he_still_have_a_job_at_penn_state_.html

OK, I stand corrected.  I guess I saw graduate assistant and thought this was like when I was in school many years ago.  The grad assts we had were actual grad students, recently graduated from a 4 yr prog. working to help pay tuition.  I didn't realize the guy was 28.  I can't believe he didn't make a sound.  I'd have involuntarily screamed.  What explanation do any of these people really have?

I did read that some of these kids spent time in Sandusky's home with his wife and that some of the abuse took place there.  Did this woman not have a clue?

McQueary wasn't a green  18 year old freshman  when this happened, he was a 28 year old grad assistant working on a master's degree in education administration.  He had already graduated with a BS from PSU, went undrafted in football and came back to PSU.   I have a 27 year old grad assistant son at another university working on his masters, and by the time they're that old, they know they're way around.  imo. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45243509/ns/sports-the_new_york_times/#.TrwhG3JZrwI

I realize that I had the wrong idea on his age.  I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky

It is wiki so take it with a grain of salt.


It makes you wonder if he ever abused his own kids.

KittyMom

I somehow believe that some of those children closest to Jerry Sandusky ... some of those children who are now grown have a story to tell.

Janet

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PSU's Jerry Sandusky 'found his victims' at Second Mile group home
Sunday, November 06, 2011

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Mr. Sandusky and his wife Dottie have six adopted children and had cared for foster children, which led them to start the nonprofit. Mr. Sandusky was inducted into the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame in 1999 and received awards for Second Mile including the 1993 NAACP Human Rights Award, the 1995 YMCA Service-To-Youth Award and the 1996 SGMA Heroes Award. President George Bush nationally recognized it as a philanthropic "Point Of Light" in November 1990.

"After we had taken in some foster children," Mrs. Sandusky told Sports Illustrated in 1982, "we saw the opportunities that some kids just hadn't had. But we'd gotten to the point where we couldn't take in any more, so Jerry started thinking about starting a group home."

It was also within the charity that Mr. Sandusky "found his victims," a grand jury presentment stated. "Through The Second Mile, Sandusky had access to hundreds of boys, many of whom were vulnerable due to their social situations."

Mr. Sandusky retired from Penn State in 1999 to devote his time to Second Mile, where he would stay on until 2010. Efforts to reach the foundation's CEO Jack Raykovitz were not successful, but he released a statement to the Patriot-News Friday.

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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1187908-454-0.stm?cmpid=psu.xml

Off for the evening but will check in later anticipating an update on Mike McQueary.

Could it be that the University board of trustees realize that by letting Mike McQueary go from his lucrative position within the football program ... there will be no incentive for this guy to remain quiet over EVERYTHING he knows encompassing this child sex abuse scanda?.  Could it be that Mike was paid off for his silence?

I could be wrong.

Later, Janet
6:00 PM PT

I wonder who in the prosecutors office besides Ray Gricar knew about this case.  He couldn't have been the only right, could he?

I'm  just surprised that in light of John McQueary's professions and experience that he advised his son Mike to report the sexual abuse he witnessed to the school and not the police.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45243509/ns/sports-the_new_york_times/#.TrwhG3JZrwI
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“It’s not that he’s not willing,” John J. McQueary, his father, said about his son’s public silence. “I think it’s eating him up not to be able to tell his side, but he’s under investigation by the grand jury. He’ll make it. He’s a tough kid.”
McQueary’s parents, John and Anne, moved the family to State College when Mike was 6 and immediately bought season tickets for Nittany Lions football games. A former medical corpsman with the Navy’s special warfare operations, John became a physician assistant, and later, the chief operating officer of a large medical and surgical group in State College. He was also a renowned coach in the State College area himself in youth sports.

I'm sorry if my reply to you about the age of Mike McQueary came off badly, KittyMom.  I didn't see the previous post, and after I read mine, it sounded snarky.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I've wondered the same thing.  But I found this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html
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No one got a bye with Ray,” said Anthony De Boef, who worked as an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

De Boef said Gricar did not share any information with him about the case in 1998, which involved Sandusky allegedly showering with an 11-year-old boy. Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy’s mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.
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Maybe it's just me, but this story kind of sounds to me like they're trying to put the past behind them and move on.  Frankly, I don't think it's quite time yet to do that.  The wearing of blue -the color that represents victims of child abuse is a nice gesture, but as far as I can see, the investigation is just starting. The growing number of people that want to put the past behind them had better stop and figure out what happened right in front of them first.  It's much more than rallying around the cause.  That sounds rather superficial.  As I said, the investigation is just starting imo.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/133662523.html
Facebook effort rallies Penn State group against abuse
November 10, 2011

When the grand jury issued its stomach-turning report on the sex crimes allegedly committed by former Pennsylvania State University football coach Jerry Sandusky, alumna Therese Jones was sitting in her apartment 3,000 miles away in Oakland, Calif.

The graphic details in the report of alleged sex acts with young boys propelled her to action. On Sunday, she launched a Facebook page to rally fans to wear blue - the color that represents victims of child abuse - at Saturday's Penn State game against Nebraska.

In 10 hours, 2,000 people signed up.

By Monday, the number had ballooned to 10,000 and Jones was on a plane bound for State College. Her goal, now supported by the university's athletic department, is to decorate the stands in blue ribbons - as opposed to the customary white-out - to show the world that Penn State is united in concern for children who suffered abuse.

"This is not what Penn State represents," said Jones, who as an undergraduate science educator worked with children the same age as the eight unnamed alleged victims in the grand jury report.

Peace was restored to Happy Valley on Thursday morning after a night of mayhem triggered by the firing of football coach Joe Paterno. But the reverberations of the crisis that also brought down president Graham Spanier and two other top officials could be felt across the community as the university's besieged board of trustees huddled in a secret location and police prepared for the potential of fresh rounds of unrest this weekend.

A growing number of people, like Jones, want to focus on the future, repairing the university's tarnished image and helping raise awareness about crimes against children.

"There's not much we can do to undo the past," she said. "But maybe we can rally around a cause and make some good out of what happened."
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http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/penn-states-dangerous-culture-of-silence-at-the-top/248231/?google_editors_picks=true
Penn State's Dangerous Culture of Silence at the Top
November 10, 2011

Former university president Graham Spanier, not Joe Paterno, deserves the majority of the blame for covering up the child-molestation allegations

The issues that are tearing Penn State apart stem from a fundamental, recurring issue in institutional scandals: a culture of silence that puts protection of the university (or the corporation or the church or the governmental department) ahead of doing justice in individual cases and preventing injury in future ones.

The ultimate symbol of that dangerous culture of silence is not Joe Paterno, but the president of Penn State for 16 years, Graham Spanier. Both were fired by the Penn State trustees Wednesday evening for failing to ensure the police were informed of, among other things, a 2002 apparent rape of a young boy in a Penn State locker room by Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator of the football team.

Paterno's firing will receive the greatest attention--and commentary. But the ultimate responsibility for the failure to act lies with the university president.
According to the grand jury report, Spanier, like Paterno, knew of the 2002 incident but failed to go beyond the actions of the athletic department prohibiting Sandusky from bringing young boys onto the Penn State campus: this was nine years ago.

Spanier, a trained therapist, with a Ph.D. in psychology, had to know that a possible crime, of a serious nature, had been committed. He had to know that the alleged perpetrator could, quite possibly, repeat his actions, even if no longer in a Penn State locker room. He had to know that he had a moral responsibility to let public law enforcement authorities investigate and resolve the case in the name of both justice and prevention.

Yet he did nothing.  Somehow, he convinced himself that "protecting" the institution by sweeping the issue under the rug was more important than protecting young boys. That Paterno would want to do the bare minimum legally--report the incident "up to" the athletic director and then look away--is understandable even if indefensible, given his deep involvement in the football program.
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Spanier was the one who in 2002 who could easily have handled this matter  correctly.  At the end of the day, the deadly culture of silence always starts at the top. The leader has to make clear that the institution has a primary responsibility for integrity, not just doing what is lawful (which may not have occurred here) but also for doing what is right (which almost surely didn't happen here).

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First, Thanks Muffy for the link upstream to the article.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I wonder if Ray was threatened. There was allot of money at stake for the University.....also, did Ray Gricar's brother disappear before him or after him?

I thought we had a thread somewhere here regarding Ray, but I could be confused. (it doesn't take much, lol) A reference did come up to Ray but in another thread regarding missing adults. I sure hope that hard drive is still available in evidence because as you said earlier technology has grown tremendously since then.

Absolutely on target!!! This was not just about saving Penn State's reputation -- it was putting a STOP to the possible further abuse.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess they were trying earlier to get the public's reaction, and found it was negative!  At least hold off having Mike  McQueary coaching until things are clarified.  Right now there's just too many questions.  JMHO

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-mike-mcqueary-threats-will-not-coach-nebraska-game/1
Penn State's Mike McQueary will not coach against Nebraska
November 10, 2011

Mike McQueary will not be at Penn State's game Saturday against Nebraska due to multiple threats made against the team's assistant coach.
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Here is the complete text of the statement by the school:

    Due to multiple threats made against Assistant Coach Mike McQueary, the University has decided it would be in the best interest of all for Assistant Coach McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game.

McQueary testified that he saw Sandusky engaged in a sex act with a 10-year-old boy in 2002. He said he reported the incident to Paterno, who then spoke with athletics director Tim Curley.

Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz have been charged with perjury and failing to report a crime in the case.

Earlier Thursday, Penn State players expressed their support for McQueary, who is the team's receivers coach and recruiting coordinator.

"He's handled it very well. You would've thought nothing had ever happened...it's like that situation never came up," cornerback Stephon Morris. "I want him out there, we need him out there, he has a good heart. A lot of people probably thought he could've done more, but he did what he could and he has a good heart."

Offensive lineman Chima Okoli added that the team is not worried about criticism from the outside regarding McQueary and his role in the case.

"We try to tune it out. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and you can't please everyone," he said. "We're behind Mike 100 percent and he's actually one of my favorite coaches."

I don't agree with threats toward Mike McQueary, but I think it's good he's staying away from the game at this time. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-assistant-coach-mike-mcqueary-sit-nebraska-due-threats-article-1.975987?localLinksEnabled=false
Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary will sit out Nebraska due to threats
Assistant who witnessed abuse sits out
November 10, 2011

Due to multiple threats made against assistant coach Mike McQueary, Penn State has decided it would be in the best interest of all for McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game, according to a release just issued by the school.

McQueary testitfied to the Pennsylvania grand jury he was an eyewitness to a sexual assault by former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky in the showers of the locker room at the Lasch football buildling .

In the spring of 2002, he chose to leave the building instead of trying to pull the child out of harm's way, according to the grand jury report.

After speaking with his father, McQueary informed Paterno the next day of what he saw and Paterno called AD Tim Curley.

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There's a poll on the right side of the article page:

Poll Results

Thanks for your vote.

Do you think PSU assistant Mike McQueary should sit Saturday's game?
Yes, he never reported what he witnessed to police, so he's at fault as well    75%    
No, he reported to his bosses, it's their job to get the police involved    25%    

ITA JANET.

AS I told a friend these football players and their coaches and mentors are supposed to be such big upstanding men...and what did they do..Mc Querry ran and cried like a little girl to his father..the rest just glossed over it and failed to do anything.

The very least McQueary should have done was taken that little boy out of their and directly to the police..and he should have pounded Sandusky's head against the wall while he was at it...but no he ran away confused and confounded like a little girl crying for his father..these are all very little men..not big men...little men..not the type of men any child should have be looking up to...

http://www.csnphilly.com/xfinity/McQueary-will-not-coach-Saturday-because?blockID=592036&feedID=704

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McQueary will not coach Saturday because of threats

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – The Penn State Athletic Department has announced that wide receivers coach Mike McQueary will not coach Saturday’s game against Nebraska at Beaver Stadium because of “multiple threats.”

According to a statement, “the University has decided it would be in the best interest of all for Assistant Coach McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game.”

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Seems many others agree..McQueary didn't do all he could have that night or the days following either...
 

Why is Mike McQueary still coaching at PSU?
4 hours, 55 minutes ago

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – They’ve all been swept out now, everyone involved in the alleged sexual assault in 2002 that crushed Penn State.

Mike McQueary, a central figure in the Penn State scandal, remains employed as his superiors vanish.

Everyone but one man.

The one who saw it.

Assistant coach Mike McQueary was expected to be working Saturday when the Nittany Lions play Nebraska. McQueary remains employed by the school but will not be in attendance for the game against the Cornhuskers. The Penn State athletic department made the decision late Thursday to remove McQueary from coaching in the game after receiving “multiple threats.”

Legendary boss Joe Paterno will not be there, because he did not do enough in response to the horrifying allegation that former assistant Jerry Sandusky assaulted a child in the shower at the Penn State football building. Athletic director Tim Curley will not be there, after being charged with a felony crime for not reporting the allegation. Former senior vice president Gary Schultz will not be there – he is charged as well. Former president Graham Spanier will not be there, either, having paid for his inaction and tone deafness with his job Wednesday night. And obviously Sandusky could be facing life in prison (though he has been extended the luxury of being out on bail).

But McQueary, the lowest man on the accountability totem pole in this tawdry affair, and seemingly the most expendable, still has his job. The one guy involved with Penn State football who allegedly witnessed Sandusky in the disgusting act of raping a child – the one guy in position to physically stop the violence – continues on.

It is curious. Perhaps there is legal protection from federal whistleblower legislation that has allowed him to remain employed. Perhaps there are other explanations. But thus far, it has not been adequately explained by Penn State or anyone else close to McQueary.

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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_why_mcqueary_still_coaching111011

The attorney was concerned more victims might not come forward out of fear, especially after seeing all the backlash the night JoPa was fired, instead of being allowed to retire at the end of the season.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/lawyer-raises-concerns-for-boys-in-sandusky-case.html
Concerns Raised for Boys in Sandusky Case
November 10, 2011

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Sandusky was indicted last week by a grand jury and faces 40 criminal counts of sexual assault ranging from statutory rape to inappropriate touching. He has denied all charges. He was released on $100,000 bail and is to appear in court next month for a preliminary hearing.

It is unlikely that any of his reported victims, some of whom were as young as 10 or 11 at the time, will appear. The grand jury did not identify them except by number and said that in a couple of cases, it did not even know their identities.

Here are the outlines of their cases, based on the grand jury report and the way it identified the boys.

VICTIM 1 He was 11 or 12 years old when he met Sandusky in 2005 or 2006 through the Second Mile, a charity Sandusky set up to help disadvantaged boys. The coach gave the boy gifts — golf clubs, a computer, clothes — and often had him stay at his house in a basement bedroom.

Sandusky would crawl into bed with him, have the boy lie on top of him and “crack his back,” pulling the boy against him and then rubbing his back. The grand jury said Sandusky performed oral sex on the boy more than 20 times in 2007 and 2008 and had the boy perform oral sex on him once.

VICTIM 2 A boy, about 10 years old, was seen naked in a locker-room shower at Penn State with Sandusky in 2002 by Mike McQueary, then a 28-year-old graduate assistant and aspiring coach. The grand jury report said McQueary saw the boy “with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.”

VICTIM 3 A boy, about 13, was invited by Sandusky in 2000 to his home for dinners, to go on walks and to attend Penn State football games. They exercised together and then showered. Sandusky patted him, rubbed his shoulders, washed his hair and gave him bear hugs. The boy stayed at Sandusky’s home, where Sandusky blew on his stomach, rubbed the inside of his thigh and touched his genitals.

VICTIM 4 A boy, 12 or 13, “was repeatedly subjected to involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and indecent assault at the hands of Sandusky,” the report said. Contact took place in 1996 or 1997 in the locker-room shower and in hotel rooms. Sandusky gave the boy dozens of gifts — sports equipment, clothes and passes to sporting events — and threatened to send him home from the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio when the boy resisted his advances.

VICTIM 5 A boy, 7 or 8, was invited in 1995 or 1996 to Sandusky family events and football games. When the boy was 8 or 10, Sandusky would roughhouse with him, then say they needed to shower. At one point, Sandusky, naked, pinned the boy against a wall in the shower, then placed the boy’s hand on his genitals. The boy slid away, and Sandusky never touched him again.

VICTIM 6 When the boy was 11, in 1998, Sandusky was driving him to the university and put his hand on his thigh in the car. At the university they wrestled and Sandusky said they needed to shower. He lathered the boy in soap and bear-hugged him from behind. After the boy’s mother reported the incident to the university, Sandusky told investigators that he was wrong and that “I wish I were dead.”

VICTIM 7 A boy, about 10, was invited in 1994 to numerous events and sleepovers at Sandusky’s. After a couple of years, Sandusky began putting his hand on the boy’s thigh while they were driving and on at least one occasion put his hands down the boy’s pants, though never touching his genitals. Sandusky bear-hugged him, cracked his back and shared showers.

VICTIM 8 An unidentified “young” boy was seen in the shower with Sandusky at Penn State in 2000 by a university janitor. The janitor said Sandusky had pinned the boy against the wall and was performing oral sex on him.

Apologies if posted already, but this is a great video (scroll down a little) regarding the disappearance of Ray Gricar:

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/ray-gricar-original-district-attorney-in-jerry-sandusky-trail-went-missing-in-2005-declared-dead.html (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/ray-gricar-original-district-attorney-in-jerry-sandusky-trail-went-missing-in-2005-declared-dead.html)

Thanks cartfly, I hadn't seen that yet.  And don't ever worry about posting something that may have been posted before, because sometimes monkeys  may have missed it the first time, imo. 

Missing DA Was Tied To Sandusky Case
Updated: Thursday, 10 Nov 2011, 6:15 PM EST
Published : Thursday, 10 Nov 2011, 5:09 PM EST

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Gricar appears in the grand jury presentment in the Jerry Sandusky sex-crimes case as the DA who didn't prosecute Sandusky after a six-week investigation in 1998 in Center County.

Gricar got the case after a boy's mother complained to police after her son showered with Sandusky.

According to the grand jury presentment, Penn State University police were also involved in the 1998 Sandusky case.

Gricar's office was the only local or state agency contacted about an alleged victim of Sandusky, a long-time Paterno assistant who retired in 1999 but continued to run a charity to help at-risk children.

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http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/missing-da-was-tied-to-sandusky-case

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
What`s Next in PSU Sex Abuse Scandal?
Aired November 10, 2011 - 19:00   ET

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines. Diane, Arizona, your question or thought?

DIANE, ARIZONA (via telephone): Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey.

DIANE: I`ve been listening all day to you and the Mikes and Vinnie and everybody, and I heard this McQueary, the grad student, mentioned kind of in passing. And I want to know why you guys aren`t coming down harder on him? Here he is a big, strapping young football player. Why didn`t he go in there and drag that old pervert off the kid, wrap the kid in a towel, take him to the hospital, a report would have been made, end of pervert.

Even I would have done that and I`m a 5`2 little woman.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/10/ijvm.01.html

I'm just putting this link here so I don't forget it. It would be horrible that we need to look over the donor section for Secondmile;
http://www.thesecondmile.org/pdf/AnnualReport2010.pdf

   Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky?
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

Excellent article.

Mike McQueary was afraid to top Sandusky from sexually assaulting a young boy in the showers on campus but broke up a knife fight between students in the dining hall.  That tells me exactly what his fear was, and it wasn't physical retaliation.  He was afraid for his job and his master's degree imo.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_he_says_that_he_saw_jerry_sandusky_sexually_assault_a_child_why_does_he_still_have_a_job_at_penn_state_.html
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On March 1, 2002, Mike McQueary allegedly walked into the Penn State locker room and saw Jerry Sandusky raping a young boy. According to the grand jury report in the Sandusky case, McQueary—then a 28-year-old graduate assistant for the Nittany Lions football team—“left immediately, distraught.” McQueary then called his father, who advised him to tell coach Joe Paterno what he’d seen.
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html
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McQueary is a guy who once stepped in and broke up a player-related knife fight in a campus dining hall — a fight police admit could have been very ugly. But this week, he is getting blasted by the public for doing too little.
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ITA 
Thank you for posting it alagary. 

Oh, that's ok.  I let my emotions get the best of me with this case.  A few years ago we had an incident locally with a high school.  As my husband and I support the local children's advocacy center, we were aware of things that others weren't.  Long story short, the kid was promised a scholarship to keep his mouth shut.  It didn't involve a coach, just his wife. <insert eyeroll>  But still.  Things like this really upset me.  Adults shouldn't take advantage of children.  The rape doesn't stop with the act, the kids then get abused again by the people who should be protecting them, imo.

BBM
I absolutely agree with you KittyMom.  And I thank you and your husband for supporting your local children's advocacy center. 

Indeed! 

uSA today has a good piece on the victim that first reported the abuse.  Im on an ipad and dont know how to post from this thing.  Can someone else do it please?.

"Victim 1" triggered investigation 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-10/jerry-sandusky-investigation-victim-1-cover/51160950/1

  Jerry Sandusky could face Texas charges related to bringing a boy to 1999 Alamo Bowl
 
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jery_sandusky_could_face_texas.html

http://www.chron.com/news/local_news/article/Penn-State-ex-coach-could-face-S-A-molestation-2263075.php
Penn State sex scandal reaches S.A.
November 10, 2011

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District Attorney Susan Reed and San Antonio Police Chief William McManus have discussed the possibility of building a criminal case against Sandusky stemming from his visit to San Antonio with the Penn State team in 1999 for the Alamo Bowl, authorities confirmed Thursday.

“We are investigating the possibility that an offense may have happened while here in San Antonio,” Sgt. Chris Benavides, a spokesman for the Police Department, said in a one-sentence statement.

Like the general public, San Antonio authorities learned of the allegations through the 23-page indictment issued against Sandusky by a Pennsylvania grand jury.

In it, a person referred to as “Victim 4,” now 27, said he met Sandusky when he was 13 or 14 through a nonprofit organization the coach started for at-risk youths. He was touched inappropriately on numerous occasions on the Penn State campus and in hotel rooms in that state, the indictment alleges. But he also traveled with the team to away games, even appearing once next to Sandusky in a Sports Illustrated photo.

“Victim 4 was listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl and the 1999 Alamo Bowl,” the indictment states. “... Sandusky did threaten to send him home from the Alamo Bowl in Texas when Victim 4 resisted his advances.”

That game, Sandusky's last before retirement, ended with his players carrying him off the field following a victory over Texas A&M, the San Antonio Express-News reported at the time.

After his retirement, Sandusky took on emeritus status at the university and retained an office on campus. In 2002, head football coach Joe Paterno was told by a graduate assistant coach that Sandusky was seen naked in the showers having sex with what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy, the grand jury report states.

Paterno, who was fired Wednesday after a storied career, told the university's athletic director about that allegation at the time but the incident never was reported to police, the grand jury determined.

There is no statute of limitations in Texas for sexual assault of a child, First Assistant District Attorney Cliff Herberg said Thursday.

The main issue likely will be seeing if there still is enough evidence to bring a charge after more than a decade has passed, he said.

“We've still got to at least conduct the investigation and see what kind of evidence we've got,” Herberg said, adding that it will be up to the Police Department to determine whether local charges should be filed. “We know the same thing that everybody else knows. This is really in the nature of a preliminary inquiry.”

Herberg said Reed and McManus discussed the matter Tuesday.

And the Alamo bowl trip happened after the 98 investigation. Are we supposed to believe that no one on the entire trip noticed it wrong that sicko was traveling with yet another child?

Exactly. 

Not necessarily.  By the end of 1999, the case had been dropped; any rumors would have been subdued because there was no prosecution.  Additionally, his wife was on the Alamo trip.

The Grand Jury report sketches a methodical, slick person—who had developed a successful pattern.

RUMOR? Mark Madden Says, Former Penn St Coach Jerry Sandusky ‘Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors
Posted November 11, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/11/11/rumor-mark-madden-says-former-penn-st-coach-jerry-sandusky-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors/

The code of silence has not been about protecting the integrity of the University. The integrity of the University would be intact today if the “powers that be” within the University had held Jerry Sandusky accountable at the getgo.

The entire story has yet to be revealed. IMO

Janet

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A Patriot-News Special Report: Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky?
Published: Friday, November 11, 2011, 12:19 AM
Updated: Friday, November 11, 2011, 8:02

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McQueary is a guy who once stepped in and broke up a player-related knife fight in a campus dining hall — a fight police admit could have been very ugly. But this week, he is getting blasted by the public for doing too little.

That same public sentiment led to an abrupt exit for legendary coach Paterno and Spanier.

But if gossip, rumor and speculation have been rampant this week about Spanier, Paterno and McQueary, the facts are more complicated — and much more disturbing.

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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011/?ocid=ansfox11
Report: Top recruit will not attend PSU
November 11, 2011

 
WINDSOR, Colo.

A standout high school offensive lineman from Colorado has turned his back on his verbal commitment to attend Penn State, becoming the first recruit the school has lost because of the ongoing sex scandal that has rocked the university to its core, the Coloradoan reported.
Joey O'Connor, a 6-foot-5, 297-pound senior, told the newspaper Thursday that he had de-committed so he could focus on the rest of his high school season with Windsor High.

"It's been a real struggle, just getting all this thrown in my face just before the playoffs," he said. "The only time I can get away from it is at football practice. I only forget about it when I step on that field."

He said other coaches had already been in touch and that he was now considering a range of schools, including South Carolina, Arizona, Arizona State, the University of Colorado, Colorado State University, California, UCLA and Washington State.

Surprisingly, O'Connor told the Coloradoan he would also still consider recommitting to Penn State.

"I'm not saying that I've completely ruled [Penn State] out, but I don't know what's going to happen there in the next couple months," he said. "The waiting and not knowing what's going to happen has been the biggest factor [in the decision]."

O'Connor is one of the country's best high school offensive tackles and was considered the Nittany Lions top recruit.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/11/11/penn-state-joe-paterno-culture/?xid=cnnbin
Penn State tragedy shows danger of making coaches false idols
November 11, 2011

It looks to me like Franco Harris has his football blinders on.  JMHO

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees
Franco Harris defends Paterno, McQueary, blasts trustees
November 11, 2011

Former Pittsburgh Steelers running back and Penn State alum Franco Harris blasted the school's Board of Trustees for its decision to fire Joe Paterno and defended Mike McQueary, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault.

"They really wouldn't give a reason. They're linking the football program to the scandal and, possibly, the cover-up. That's very disturbing to me. I think there should be no more connection to the football program, only in the case that it happened at the football building with an ex-coach. I'm still trying to find out who gave him access to the building, who signed that contract."

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Harris also criticized state police commissioner Frank Noonan for saying Paterno had a "moral obligation" to contact police when told of the incident, according to the report.

"When I heard that, it blew my mind," Harris said. "Why would they bring the moral into the legal? Now, everyone gets to interpret in their own way. That's what really bothers me: Joe did what was right for him to do. He forwarded the information to his superiors. That's the legal procedure at Penn State.  
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"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands-down, no contest every time."

Harris also told the paper he was "bothered" by criticism of the handling of the situation by McQueary, who witnessed a boy he estimated to being 10 years old getting violated by Sandusky anally in the showers. McQueary, according to grand jury testimony, left the showers distraught, then went to his office and called his father, who told him to go home. The next day, the pair reported the incident to Paterno.

"People make fun of the fact that Mike went to his father, like a little kid," Harris said. "Because somebody went to a confidant, why is that childish? How Mike handled that situation, there is nothing I can comment on. People are different. Some people would have bashed [Sandusky's] head in. Mike followed procedure. Because some people higher up didn't do their job, he's suffering the consequences."

When a 28 year old Mike McQueary failed to take immediate action to protect a child who he observed in the process of being raped by 57 year old Jerry Sandusky ... he may have been within the letter of the law.  However ... if that little boy had been Mike's younger bother ... I am darn sure that one way or another ... no child would again have been at risk by the sick desires of Sandusky.

The same goes for Joe Paterno if the little boy had been his grandson.

Janet

Also ... Mike McQueary and Joe Paterno had over a decade to personally take action to right the wrong against this little boy who was raped by Jerry Sandusky but both made the choice to do nothing.

Hey ... prestige standings within the University's football program and lucrative salaries "may" have been at risk if the truth had been revealed but ... so what!!  Personal integrity would have been restored.  What a lasting legacy to leave those students!  What a lasting legacy to leave your family!

Janet

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Matthew 16:26
And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul?

Ok...enough with calling this a sex scandal.  That has got to stop.


I haven't read anywhere that Sandusky's home computer was seized.  Anyone else? 

Still on the ipad so i cant link it, but the sister of the shower victim was interviewed by pennlive.  Her comments are interesting as she is currently a student at Penn State.

What do we do with all this?  How do we balance the rights?

.  How do we make the system work better?

No, I don’t believe Sandusky is innocent.  In fact, he should have been jailed and under suicide watch, mo.  Sandusky is the epicenter of a quake and tsunami.  Pluck Sandusky out of the picture and there is nothing happening.  Put him back in the picture and there’s chaos.  All of it surrounds Jerry.

In 2000, the janitor saw something, spoke about it; nothing happened.  It’s sad that the information didn’t go farther; I don’t blame the janitor.  The janitor was very upset.  Did the janitor even know who the adult was?  Looks like the incident may have impacted the rest of his life.  The janitor is not to blame.  The actions of one individual are to blame.

Could the janitor have done more?  Certainly.  Was he threatened?  Indications are that he could have been threatened.  Sandusky appears to have made two slow trips through the parking lot afterwards.  He was seen both times.  (Grand Jury Report)

There are very few people close to the situation who couldn’t have done more.  However, if the adopted son hadn’t complained; if the mother (1998) hadn’t complained; if the janitor hadn’t told someone; if McQueary hadn’t told Paterno, who told Curley/Schultz; if the latest known victim hadn’t complained . . . Sandusky would able to continue,        un-TOUCHED.

Penn State puts wide receivers' coach on leave

November 11th, 2011

[Updated at 4:18 p.m. ET] Mike McQueary - the Penn State coach who told head coach Joe Paterno about a child sex abuse allegation involving a former coach in 2002 - has been placed on administrative leave, interim school President Rodney Ericson said Friday.

The leave is "indefinite," Ericson said.

McQueary, who coaches the team's wide receivers, was a 28-year-old graduate assistant when he told Paterno of the allegation in 2002.

The scandal revolves around Jerry Sandusky, the football team's former defensive coordinator who is accused of sexually assaulting children. The scandal has led to the departure of four top university figures, including Paterno, amid widespread outrage over their perceived failure to contact police.


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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/penn-state-trustees-consider-panel-to-investigate-sex-abuse-allegations/

BBM  ITA it's not a "sex scandal".  Children were forced into sex acts with an adult. 

No KittyMom, I haven't read anywhere that Sandusky's home computer was seized.  Anyone else?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57323072/sandusky-victim-1-called-hero-for-speaking-out/
Sandusky "Victim 1" called hero for speaking out
November 11, 2011

(CBS News)

The grand jury presentment accusing former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky of being a sexual predator of young boys from a youth charity he helped found is a graphic telling of repeated serial assaults on victimized children.

In the presentment, "Victim 1" first came into contact with Sandusky via The Second Mile, a charity for disadvantaged youth. At about age 12 or 13 the boy first met Sandusky, and claims being sexually abused by him beginning in 2005 or 2006, after being offered gifts such as clothing and NFL game tickets.

But Victim 1 was not the first victim. According to the grand jury, he was merely the first victim to come forward.

The boy showed "courage" that others - including adults in positions of power at the university - did not in dealing with Sandusky, a revered former coach who still had access to campus facilities, Michael Gillum, the victim's psychologist, told USA Today.

"Had this individual not come forward, this investigation may not have happened. Who knows how many people he saved from abuse?
"He's a hero. That is the truth," said Gillum.

An investigation by the state attorney general's office began in early 2009 after a teenage boy ("Victim 1") told authorities that Sandusky inappropriately touched him several times during a four-year period.

The graphic presentment tells of Sandusky fondling the boy and repeatedly sexually assaulting him when the boy stayed in the basement at Sandusky's home. Sandusky also visited the boy at his school, calling him out of class for unmonitored time in a conference room. (As a volunteer coach Sandusky had unfettered access to the school.) A wrestling coach at a Clinton County high school testified that he discovered Sandusky and the boy lying together on mats in a weight room after hours; Sandusky claimed that he and the boy were "working on wrestling moves."

An assistant principal who characterized Sandusky as "very controlling" in his mentoring relationships with students - as well as "clingy" and "needy" when a student broke off contact - said Sandusky was barred from the school district after Victim 1's mother called to notify the school, and authorities were contacted.

Phone records show 188 phone calls place by Sandusky to Victim 1's home between January 2008 and July 2009. The boy, who did not want to engage in sexual contact with Sandusky would ask his mother to tell the coach he was not home. The boy eventually told school officials there was "an issue" involving Sandusky but would not clarify.

A school official reportedly informed the boy's mother of Sandusky's reputation in the community and, Gillum recalled, described the coach as having "a heart of gold." The mother reported her concerns to the Clinton County Children and Youth Services where Gillum worked.

Gillum said after his discussions with the victim he assembled a report which he referred to state youth authorities and state police.

"Had it not been for this individual, my guess is that none of this (Sandusky probe) would have happened," Gillum told USA Today.
How far back go the allegations of abuse - and the tendency to ignore them?
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(This 2 page article goes on to explain the rest of each of the other 6 victims and the events that transpired.)

http://www.wgal.com/r/29750826/detail.html
Sandusky Courted Recruits As Late As 2010
South Carolina Recruit Crosses PSU Off List
November 11, 2011

PITTSBURGH -- Former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky remained as a de facto recruiter for the Nittany Lions as late as last summer.

The father of a South Carolina high school player says Sandusky attended a football camp for players of Polynesian descent in Utah last year and encouraged players to play for coach Joe Paterno.

Sandusky made the trip even as a grand jury investigated claims of sexual abuse by the former coach. Sandusky is now charged with molesting eight boys over a 15-year period.

Otto Ah Ching says his son Adam, a linebacker at Greer (S.C.) High, put Penn State on his list of possible schools after speaking to Sandusky. Ah Ching has since crossed Penn State off his list of possible schools, a problem that could grow.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/a-week-of-campus-turmoil-over-sex-abuse-scandal-robs-penn-state-of-festive-football-weekend/2011/11/11/gIQAR7fODN_story.html
A week of campus turmoil over sex abuse scandal robs Penn State of festive football weekend
November 11, 2011

One sentence sticks out for me in this article:
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New president Rod Erickson plans to appoint an ethics officer, and said the school will review all standards, policies and programs to ensure they meet “not only the law, but Penn State’s standard.”
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From the way things look from my perspective, Penn State seemed to act as though they were they law, that they knew best. There's an article I read today where Franco Harris says "He forwarded the information to his superiors.  That's the legal procedure at Penn State."



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees
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Harris also criticized state police commissioner Frank Noonan for saying Paterno had a "moral obligation" to contact police when told of the incident, according to the report.
"When I heard that, it blew my mind," Harris said. "Why would they bring the moral into the legal? Now, everyone gets to interpret in their own way. That's what really bothers me: Joe did what was right for him to do. He forwarded the information to his superiors. That's the legal procedure at Penn State.   
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So, does this mean Penn State really has "legal procedures?"  If so, do Penn State's legal procedures supercede the laws of the city, county state and etc., such as reporting the incidence of sexual abuse of a child you were witness to?   Sad. 

Obama: Penn State abuse cause for 'soul-searching'

Associated Press | November 11, 2011 09:45 PM EST | AP

CORONADO, Calif. — President Barack Obama says the Penn State sex-abuse scandal should lead to "soul-searching" by all Americans, not just Penn State.

"Obviously what happened was heartbreaking, especially for the victims, the young people who got affected by these alleged assaults," he told Westwood One radio in an interview Friday night. "And I think it's a good time for the entire country to do some soul-searching – not just Penn State. People care about sports, it's important to us, but our No. 1 priority has to be protecting our kids. And every institution has to examine how they operate, and every individual has to take responsibility for making sure that our kids are protected."

The Penn State scandal has cost several university officials their jobs, most notably longtime football coach Joe Paterno, who was faulted for not alerting police after he was told about alleged sex abuse by a former assistant coach.

Obama said that the scandal shows that "you can't just rely on bureaucracy and systems in these kinds of situations. People have to step forward, they have to be tapping into just their core decency." When kids are mistreated – or anyone, for that matter – "all of us have to step up, we don't leave it to somebody else to take responsibility."

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20111111/us-obama-paterno/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/11/sandusky-made-457g-after-pennsylvania-charity-learned-allegations-tax-records/?intcmp=trending
Sandusky Made $457G From Pennsylvania Charity Despite Child Sex Allegations, Tax Records Show
November 11, 2011

(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/News/396/223/sanduskyreturn640.jpg) Annual compensation of $57,000 for Jerry Sandusky is shown, according to this 2003 tax document. Those payments continued through 2008, some 10 years after an alleged victim said he showered with Sandusky at Penn State's Holuba Hall.

A Pennsylvania charity founded by Jerry Sandusky continued to pay the former Penn State defensive coordinator a consulting fee totaling nearly $500,000 over eight years, tax documents show, despite an attorney who reportedly worked with the charity knowing Sandusky faced child sex abuse allegations.
Sandusky now is charged with a series of sexual assaults in a scandal at Penn State that prompted the university this week to oust its president and legendary football coach Joe Paterno. Two other campus officials faces charges of failing to notify police of alleged assaults occurring on campus.
Sandusky founded his charity, The Second Mile, in 1977 as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys. In 2001, the charity began paying Sandusky an annual "consulting" fee of $57,000, tax documents reviewed by FoxNews.com show. The fees added up to $457,000 over eight years.

In November 2008, Sandusky informed the charity that he had learned he was being investigated as a result of allegations made against him by a young man in Pennsylvania's Clinton County. The consulting fees abruptly ended after 2008.
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"Although he maintained there was no truth to the claims, we are an organization committed first and foremost to the safety and well-being of the children we serve," according to a statement on the organization's website. "Consistent with that commitment and with The Second Mile policy, we immediately made the decision to separate him from all of our program activities involving children. Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children."

But in 1998, according to a grand jury report, Victim No. 6, who is now 24, told his mother he had showered with Sandusky in Penn State's Holuba Hall. Wendell Courtney, Penn State's general counsel, reviewed that report on behalf of the university before submitting it to then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar.

Courtney reportedly also represented The Second Mile at the time.

Courtney didn't respond to FoxNews.com's request for comment for this story, though on Wednesday, he told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he did not begin to represent The Second Mile until early 2009, calling reports to the contrary "factually incorrect." He told the Post-Gazette that he didn't inform the Second Mile a sexual abuse investigation had been conducted at Penn State, and he withdrew as the organization's counsel on Monday over conflict of interest concerns.

A spokesman for Attorney General Linda Kelly, however, disputed Courtney's claim.

"It's clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile, and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident," spokesman Nils Frederiksen told the newspaper.

Meanwhile, The Second Mile's CEO, Jack Raykovitz, has earned more than $1.3 million since 1998. Raykovitz was informed in 2002 by Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley -- who is now on paid administrative leave and faces criminal charges -- that an individual had reported to Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Sandusky in the locker room shower with a young boy.

"Mr. Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing," read a statement on The Second Mile's website. "At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury report."

Curley and university vice president Gary Schultz have been charged with perjury and failure to report the 2002 assault to police, as was required by state law. Along with Sandusky, both men maintain their innocence.

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/penn-state-sex-assault-alleged-in-texas
Penn State sex assault alleged in Texas
Silence in sex assaults common, but laws differ
November 11, 2011

AUSTIN (KXAN) - San Antonio police are investigating the possibility that one of Jerry Sandusky’s alleged sex assaults took place while Penn State was preparing for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Sandusky brought “Victim No. 4” along for the trip, but threatened to send him home if he resisted sexual advances, according to the sexually explicit grand jury report.

The lack of communication and proper action that has marred the Penn State child sex assault case is not uncommon in similar crimes against children.

The law, however, is quite different in Texas.

“Under Texas law, you are required to make that report,” said Detective Joel Pridgeon with Austin Police Department’s Child Abuse Unit.

In the Penn State grand jury report, a graduate assistant who witnesses one of the sexual assaults happening notified Joe Paterno, but not police or child protective services.

In Texas, that would qualify as a class A misdemeanor:

Texas Penal Code …

Sec. 38.17.  FAILURE TO STOP OR REPORT AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT OF CHILD.  (a)  A person, other than a person who has a relationship with a child described by Section 22.04(b), commits an offense if:

(1)  the actor observes the commission or attempted commission of an offense prohibited by Section 21.02 or 22.021(a)(2)(B) under circumstances in which a reasonable person would believe that an offense of a sexual or assaultive nature was being committed or was about to be committed against the child;

(2)  the actor fails to assist the child or immediately report the commission of the offense to a peace officer or law enforcement agency; and

(3)  the actor could assist the child or immediately report the commission of the offense without placing the actor in danger of suffering serious bodily injury or death.

(b)  An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-officials-including-paterno-could-face-civil-lawsuits.html
Penn State Officials, Including Paterno, Could Face Civil Lawsuits
November 11, 2011

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/central-florida-connections-found-penn-state-sandu/nFbtT/

Central Florida connections found in Penn State Sandusky child rape scandal

 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-jerry-sandusky-scandal-tracked-back-1995-coach-s-adopted-son-report-article-1.976557?localLinksEnabled=false

Penn State Jerry Sandusky scandal could be tracked back to 1995 with coach’s adopted son: report

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-jerry-sandusky-scandal-tracked-back-1995-coach-s-adopted-son-report-article-1.976557#ixzz1dSrs1YEL

I really, really wish media would stop calling what happened to the child sex abuse victims a scandal.  It's more of a tragedy, at least.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3480_162-57323606/penn-state-students-hold-candlelight-vigil/
Penn State students hold candlelight vigil
November 11, 2011

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November 12, 2011 8:41 AM
People hold candles during a candlelight vigil in front of the Old Main building on the Penn State Campus Friday, Nov. 11, 2011 in State College, Pa. The vigil was held in support of the alleged victims of a child sex abuse scandal involving a former assistant coach. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

(CBS/AP)

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - Thousands came together on the campus of Penn State Friday evening for a candlelight vigil and a moment of silence in support of the alleged victims in the child sex abuse scandal roiling the university.

The scandal, centered around former defensive coach Jerry Sandusky, has so far resulted in a widespread housecleaning that has already cost four people their jobs.

"Never again should anyone at Penn State, regardless of their position, feel scared to do the right thing," said Interim president Rodney Erickson. "It will take all of us some time to come to grips with the full magnitude of all the damage that has been done."

Sara Ganim, a reporter with the State College Patriot News, told "The Early Show on Saturday Morning" that the mood on campus last night was different from a normal pre-football Friday night: "It was quiet. It was solemn," she said. "The mood on campus was much different than in the past couple of days where there has been rowdiness and students taking a lot of criticism for their behavior. Last night, it was very well-behaved and solemn, quiet clapping after several speakers.

"In the back, behind those several thousand students with all of those candles, there were police on horses, so the presence and the idea of what has been going on here this week was still very much known."

The vigil was organized by students in the wake of a shocking grand jury report that accuses a retired assistant football coach of repeatedly sexually assaulting boys, sometimes at university facilities. It suggested that school officials didn't aggressively investigate or report the activity.

As a result, university trustees forced out the school's president, Graham Spanier. They also fired storied football coach Joe Paterno, which touched off a violent student demonstration on campus Wednesday night, requiring police clad in riot gear to disperse the students, at times with pepper spray.

The vigil in front of Penn State's "Old Main" administration building drew students, alumni and teachers. They observed a moment of silence after the bell tolled at 10 p.m. and listened to several speakers, including former college All-American linebacker LaVar Arrington, an a cappella group singing "Imagine" and the school marching band.

It was largely solemn until it ended with an ear-shattering series of "We are ... Penn State!" — helping a group of people who felt like they had lost a hero — Paterno — to have something to rally around.

"Having that taken away from us made us feel lost," said junior Leah Blasko of Pittsburgh. "Tonight really gave us a place to put ourselves back together."

One speaker, 2007 graduate Dustin Yenser, encouraged victims to know that they had the support of the campus despite having been failed by people who he believed had an obligation to protect them. And Arrington urged attendees to use the scandal as a challenge.

"Let it be known that we waged war to make a difference," Arrington said. "Leave here tonight with a resolve and an understanding that you possess the power to change things."

The seeds of the student-organized vigil began even before the Wednesday night violence. Penn State senior and organizer Jessica Sever said she read the grand jury report Monday night and woke up disgusted, feeling as though something needed to be done and wanting to put the focus back on the victims, not Spanier or Paterno.

"What I really want to focus on is the victims right now," Sever said. "We really need some positivity, because there is none right here."
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McQueary told players by phone Friday that he was in a secluded location outside State College, The Harrisburg Patriot-News reported.

Last night, head coach Joe Paterno's son Jay issued a statement on behalf of his father. It said, in part, "he is absolutely distraught over what happened to the children and their families, and he also wants very much to speak publicly and answer questions."

Coach Paterno has hired a top criminal defense attorney out of Washington, D.C., a man who once represented former President George H.W. Bush in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Extra security will be on hand at the game and students have been warned that any uncivil action will not be tolerated.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/joe-paterno-fired-2.html

Sister of one of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims feels tortured


 ::MonkeyMad::

Did this young ladies family not try to steer her away from this school?  I don't think I could've let my child go knowing what had happened with her sibling.

These students need a wake up call.  They are acting stupidly.  It's almost like they are in grammar school.  The faculty needs to start having meetings immediately with all the students and lay it all out on the line telling them this is no joke and whoever is making jokes will be thrown out.  Also, all the parents of these students need step up also.

I don't give a crap about Joe Paterno and his legacy.  The children are more important and it happened under his watch and it was one of his coaches.  In my opinion he didn't do enough and this is why he is not here.

I wouldn't give Jerry Sandusky a penny!  He made a ton of money through his job as assistant coach and through his Second Mile program. There's an article in this thread that addresses that.   And yes, he may need a lot of money for legal defense, but that's not because an accident befell him, it's through his own evil, abusive, sexual predator acts!  Donating money to Sandusky's defense?!  That's not rallying around their program, it's giving financial assitance to a repeat sexual child abuser!   What about his victims?   ::MonkeyMad:: 

http://www.kvue.com/news/Former-Nittany-Lions-rally-around-program-133704828.html
Former Nittany Lions rally around program
November 12, 2011

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Former Nittany Lions receiver and running back Rich Mauti organized what he hopes will be one of the largest gatherings of former players to stand on the sideline ever. On Saturday, vs. Nebraska in the home finale, they will join in unison.

Mauti sent emails to more than 800 former Nittany Lions and asked them to attend. He wants players who took pride in wearing the school's classic blue-and-white uniforms, and still carry that pride in their everyday lives. He wants them to return their thanks to a program - not just a coach - that gave them so much.

"It's for the kids that have to go out there on Saturday," said Mauti, who played under Joe Paterno from 1974-1976 and went on to play in the NFL. "It's a show of support for that. It's not going to be banners and flags and bands. It's going to be the Penn State Way. It's going to be our presence. Hopefully, we get enough guys there that will mean something."

Mauti emphasized he's not forgetting or minimizing the scandal and possible cover-up centered on former assistant and one-time heir apparent Jerry Sandusky.

"I'm not condoning any activities that have been alleged. That's not the purpose," he said. "I'm trying to get everyone that has been through that program, that has had a positive experience, to support the kids and the program and the school at this juncture."

By midweek, Mauti said about 75 players had agreed to attend.

Former Penn State linebacker Buddy Tesner said he will be there to watch a game between two teams jostling for a Big Ten divisional title. Tesner played from 1971-75 and went on to found the Football Letterman's Club. The mission of the club is to promote Penn State football, improve communication, expand merchandising, and increase membership among former Penn State players and managers.

He said the time is right to stand behind the program.

"I think it's a great idea to rally the troops to support the team as much as anyone else," he said. "At the same time, we're being very careful to make sure that we respect and understand the families that have been affected by all this. We're not making a statement of innocence or guilt."

No, but another former Nittany Lion said he hasn't forgotten Sandusky, even as the former assistant coach stands accused of having sex with young boys.

Sam Stellatella, a three-position player in the 1950s, has donated money to Sandusky's defense and urged other former players to do the same.

"I told him he's going to need a million dollars to defend himself," the 73-year-old Stellatella said. "He called me back and said, `What am I going to do with this money?' I said, `Use it for your lawyer because you're going to need it.'"

Stellatella sent Sandusky $100. He wrote personal letters to other members of the 1959 Liberty Bowl team that defeated a Bear Bryant-coached Alabama team and asked they also donate. He does not know how much money was raised.

"I know some of the guys sent money," he told The Associated Press. "Here's the thing, these are horrendous charges against him. But he's still entitled to his day in court. Everybody's prejudged him. He's done horrendous damage to Paterno and (athletic director Tim) Curley and the football program. I don't listen to the news and I don't read the reports of what he did because I would get too upset.

"But he's still entitled to his day in court."

That's a lone stance among a group of players who have been quick to distance themselves from Sandusky.

Brad Benson, a former Penn State offensive lineman who won a Super Bowl with the New York Giants, was not invited to attend the game. He said he wouldn't go anyway - and had no problem with his fellow former Nittany Lions presenting a unified front - as long as they remembered the true victims of this case.

"I sure wouldn't want it be a show of solidarity for Joe," he said.

Benson spoke in anger about Paterno's actions and, more troubling, the reaction of unruly students who toppled a television news van, rioted and attempted arson after a peaceful demonstration Wednesday night turned ugly.

"There are people right now that are supporting Joe. They are rioting and doing things they shouldn't be doing," he said. "I equate these students that are rioting to the occupiers on New York City right now. They're not mature enough to understand why they're rioting. They weren't there when this happened. What are they protesting? They're protesting that someone with a tremendous responsibility failed to fulfill his moral responsibility and other people failed as well."

Tim Sweeney, president of the Letterman's Club, emphasized before Thursday's practice this movement was for the players.

Mauti, who has a son, Michael, on this season's team, wanted the Nittany Lions seniors to have at least one good feeling to take away one of the most horrific weeks in school history.

"They went there to get an education and play football. They didn't go there for this," he said. "It goes back to the basic fundamental lessons Joe has taught all of us. It's how you handle what happens to you that's really important. These kids are trying to handle this. It's not fun, it's not what they want to be doing. They're a tight, tight group. I think it's going to pull them all together.

"It's going to be a life lesson."

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-Jerry-Sandusky-scandal-shows-that-Joe-Paterno-Mike-McQueary-needed-to-do-more-111111

Penn State should have aimed higher


I'd hate to be LE in that town right now. I'd be torn about protecting this monster.

The former players going to the game to support the present players is a nice gesture considering how their college experience has now been tarnished.  But for these elderly former players to be donating money WITHOUT reading any reports because it would upset them????  Where's the logic in that?  Pull your head out of the sand and donate money to those victimized by men like Sandusky.

San ... I agree.

The commentary in its entirety is a must read.

Janet

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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/133739768.html
Sex abuse scandal looms large in Happy Valley
November 12, 2011

By Joe Juliano, Mike Jensen and Kristen A. Graham STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - In a parking lot outside of Beaver Stadium here, a Penn State flag flew at half mast on Saturday morning.

A plane flying overhead pulled a "Pray for the Kids, Not the Cowards and Liars" banner.

In some ways, it was a typical pre-football game morning - crisp fall air, tailgaters gathering around hibachi grills, a sea of blue and white.

But the sex abuse scandal that has rocked the campus, ousted longtime coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier, and removed assistant coach Mike McQueary loomed large.

The university received an anonymous bomb threat for Beaver Stadium Friday night, authorities said, but security personnel and bomb-sniffing dogs who combed the stadium found nothing.

The FBI and the police are investigating.

A crowd of thousands gave a thunderous ovation to the Penn State team as they arrived at the stadium on buses.

Paterno's traditional seat - the front row, passenger side on the first bus - was vacant.

An emotional Jay Paterno was one of the first people to go through the tunnel.

Paterno, the team's quarterbacks coach and son of Joe Paterno, quickly blew through the phalanx of screaming fans behind fences on both sides of the path leading into the stadium. He almost ripped the arm off a guard who engaged him in a handshake.

Paterno has not commented on Wednesday night's firing of his father by the university's Board of Trustees.

Interim head coach Tom Bradley, who will be the first person to be in charge of a Nittany Lions football game since Paterno's first year of 1966, walked through the crowd looking businesslike and a bit bemused.

Bradley went directly into the stadium before going to the locker room, high-fiving students who had arrived early.

Quarterback Matt McGloin slapped as many hands as he could as he walked through the path.

Jay Paterno, who usually coaches from the booth in the press box, will be on the sideline Saturday sending in plays to the offense. That had been the job of former receivers coach McQueary, who was told Thursday he would not be coaching in the game, and was placed on paid administrative on Friday.

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Jay Paterno stopped briefly at his parents' house, telling reporters that "he had a job to do."

"We support you!" a man yelled at Jay Paterno as he walked up the sidewalk.

A young woman dropped off flowers outside the Paterno front door.

"WE LOVE YOU JOE," a gray-haired man wearing shorts yelled as he walked past the house.

One man angrily shouted at the small media contingent on the sidewalk across the street from the Paterno house.

"Why don't you go to Sandusky's house?" he yelled.

Trying to watch a football game and they just brought tears to my macho eyes.

That is a must read Janet.  Thanks for pointing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/horrifying-allegations-a-scandal-and-the-end-of-joe-paterno-penn-states-worst-week/2011/11/12/gIQAEYUEFN_story_1.html
Horrifying allegations, a scandal and the end of Joe Paterno: Penn State’s worst week
November 12, 2011

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/live-scene-penn-state-game-nebraska-joe-paterno-happy-valley/1
Live: The scene from Penn State's game against Nebraska
November 12, 2011

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The No. 12 Nittany Lions host No. 17 Nebraska at noon in what should be an emotionally charged atmosphere in State College. It's Senior Day and Penn State will be without Paterno on the sidelines as a coach or assistant for the first time since 1950.

Campus Rivalry will provide you with updates on the scene in State College before the game and updates once the ball is kicked off in Beaver Stadium.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/sports/ncaafootball/interim-coach-tom-bradley-may-well-lose-his-dream-job-soon.html
Interim Coach’s Situation Is ‘Very Unprecedented’
November 12, 2011

Those who feared that prestige positions within the University and huge take-home salaries would be at risk by doing what was morally right failed to comprehend the entire picture.

Janet

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"Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart." = Steve Jobs

Credit: San

Never thought I would be putting Football links on here;
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/91452/1/watch-nebraska-vs-penn-st.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/133745763.html
Shocking week ends with Penn State loss
November 12, 2011

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Without Paterno, Penn State loses as rabid fans cry 'scapegoat'

By KEVIN FASICK, Post Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:49 PM, November 12, 2011
Posted: 11:51 AM, November 12, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State's first game in 46 years without Joe Paterno as coach ended in a loss today, amid swirling support for JoPa on the field and in the stands.

"It's sad because the one person who should be here today isn't," said Jim Suydam, 53, an optometrist from Reading, PA, whose daughter attends Penn State.

He wore a T-shirt saying, "I [heart] Joe: Thanks for the memories - 62 years of great service."

The 12th-ranked Nittany Lions lost to No. 17 Nebraska, 17-14, before a packed crowd at Beaver Stadium, just days after the legendary coach was sacked in the aftermath of a child-sex scandal that has rocked the sports world.

"They're scapegoating him," said longtime Nittany Lion fan Lucious Sanford, 28, a banker from Brooklyn. "Joe got a bum deal -- he didn't do anything wrong."

A group of students dressed as Paterno , wearing his signature rolled-up khakis and dark glasses , and a family showed up in shorts that read, "We [heart] JoePa." The lawn at the coach's home had signs of support, including one that said simply, "Thanks Joe."

Bedford-Stuyvesant resident and Penn State fan Drick Smith, 41, said, "I'm outraged because of the way he's being treated. Joe was coach here before any of these people in the parking lot were even born."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/amid_sex_scandal_it_gameday_at_penn_PmQP5lii2Lt3jz2hwM45gK#ixzz1dWpVn3ex

I heard a guy on ESPN today say these students don't understand.  If you think it's bad now, wait until two weeks, one month, two months and then 5 months down the line.  He said this is going to get much worse.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sanduskys_autobiography.html
Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, 'Touched,' is still available at The Penn State Bookstore
November 11, 2011

(Interesting  comments)

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/sandusky-penn-state-scandal-cars/story?id=14916627
Penn State Sponsors Anxiously Watch How Events Unfold at University
November 12, 2011

Cars.com has withdrawn its sponsorship of ESPN's Saturday Afternoon College Football for the next two weeks, which includes Penn State games, making it one of the first companies to distance itself after the recent arrest of former defensive football coach Jerry Sandusky.

After a Penn State student riot over coach Joe Paterno's firing, the university may soon see more corporate sponsors rebelling against its brand.

A spokeswoman for Cars.com said that the move was "due to the recent allegations surrounding the Penn State football program."

"As a proud, longtime supporter of ESPN College Football, it's important to us that we're building our brand in a way that celebrates the sport, its fans and the dedication of its student athletes," she said in a statement.

The company said it worked with ESPN to redistribute its commercial ad units during these games.

The university-wide athletics program has dozens of sponsors, like Pepsi and AT&T, who are closely watching the university's next move. The school's football program is considered its crown jewel, bringing in $72 million a year, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Sponsors Chevrolet, PNC Financial, John Deere, State Farm Insurance, the American Red Cross and healthcare company Highmark told ABC News they are not jumping ship yet.
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It is too early to tell whether Penn State's corporate sponsors will bail on the university, said Scott Rosner, professor of legal studies and business ethics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Though the logo of paint company and Penn State sponsor Sherwin Williams was no longer on the press conference backdrop behind interim coach Tom Bradley on Thursday. Sherwin Williams did not return a request for comment.

Before the scandal broke on Saturday, Penn State was one of the most "undermonetized stars" in college sports, said Rosner, also associate director of Wharton's Sports Business Initiative.

"It was a paradigm with safe, conservative, and tremendous values that were the best of collegiate athletics," he said.

Pepsi has had a major partnership with Penn State, including a $14 million 10-year deal from 1992 that named it the official beverage on campus. Indra Nooyi, PepsiCo CEO since 2006, gave the Penn State commencement address in August 2010 and was awarded an honorary degree. The company didn't return a request for comment.
Unlike other college scandals that have been contained within a particular college sport, or a university athletic department, the Penn State scandal has broad university-wide implications because of possible irresponsibility from a university leader, he said. Rosner suggested one way the university can begin to help the situation is to donate its ticket sales from Saturday's football game to a charity for sexual abuse victims or a sexual abuse awareness campaign, or starting their own initiative. Penn State alums have already begun fundraising for victims of sex crimes.

Penn State did not return a request for comment.
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Rosner said some sponsors may not be able to exit from deals with the university unless their contracts included a "morals clause." A term like that would allow particular moral turpitude to void a sponsorship agreement.

But even if the football program were to lose all of the reported $72 million it receives from football ticket sales, fundraising and media deals with the Big Ten conference, Rosner said that is just a drop in the bucket compared with its reported $4 billion a year budget.

"Sponsors at root like to avoid controversy. The real question is whether Penn State is toxic yet," said Stephen Greyser, Harvard Business School professor emeritus specializing in the business of sports.
"Tiger Woods got toxic in a hurry," Greyser said of the pro golfer who took a break from competing as the media reported multiple alleged sexual affairs two years ago. Within the first three months of Wood's car accident that eventually led to stories of his affairs, AT&T, Accenture, and Gatorade dropped their sponsorship deals with the athlete. Gillette did not renew its endorsement deal with him when it ended in December 2010.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal-just-got-costlier.html
Sex-abuse scandal just got costlier for Penn State
November 11, 2011

The Times' Walter Hamilton is reporting that the Jerry Sandusky sex-abuse allegations at Penn State could prove costly.

Here's a bit of what Hamilton had to report on the Money & Company blog:

Moody's Investors Service announced Friday that it may downgrade the university's credit rating in light of the lawsuits and other "reputational and financial risk" the school is likely to endure. The shocking allegations of abuse may scare away prospective students and anger deep-pocketed alumni who make large donations to the football powerhouse.

"While the full impact of these increased risks will only unfold over a period of years, we will also assess the degree of near and medium term risks to determine whether to downgrade the current Aa1 rating," Moody's said in a news release.

One risk is that Penn State's insurers may balk at footing the bill for settlements with victims. They potentially could argue that top school officials, including its now-exiled president, Graham Spanier, were aware for years of the abuses allegedly committed by the football team's former assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky, but took no action.
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They can argue all they want they will be paying the claims.

This has me so upset-for starters...to think of grown men witnessing a man and a child engaged in a*** i*********  and they did not intervene right there on the spot is beyond my comprehension.  ::MonkeyMad::

The men who swept it under the rug, it makes me suspicious of them too, sorry but it does. How can you overlook and call yourself a man? Shame shame

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/sandusky-scandal-fate-mile-charity/story?id=14932563
Penn State Scandal: The Second Mile Tries to Separate From Founder
November 11, 2011

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Sandusky, who retired from The Second Mile in September 2010, was the charity's primary fundraiser, according to the grand jury's report, which causes a problem for The Second Mile as it not only deals with an investigation by Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett, but also the possible exodus of its donors.

"You pin a lot to that person, and when they fall especially with a small organization, it can be really damaging," Palmer said.

With revenue of $2.9 million in 2010, according to its annual report, and a staff of about 20, The Second Mile had three offices in Pennsylvania.

Sandusky helped establish the charity in 1977 with proceeds from his book, Developing Linebackers the Penn State Way, according to Sports Illustrated. The organization began as a foster group home and expanded into programs for troubled youth.

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The Second Mile's president and CEO, Jack Raykovitz, is an alum, as are many of its donors. But Palmer said the organization will have to separate itself from its associations with Penn State though that may be difficult given its ties to the university.

The organization must also assure donors that it is doing everything possible to make sure its children are protected in the future.

The fact that the allegations involve children the organization intended to serve makes the accusations especially troubling. In a statement on Sunday the organization said, "the newly released details and the breadth of the allegations from the Attorney General's office bring shock, sadness and concern from The Second Mile organization. Our prayers, care and compassion go out to all impacted."

"To our knowledge, all the alleged incidents occurred outside of our programs and events," the organization said on its website.
Second Mile CEO Raykovitz testified to the grand jury that he was informed in 2002 by Pennsylvania State University Athletic Director Tim Curley that an individual had reported to Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Jerry Sandusky in the locker room shower with a youth.

"Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing. At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury report," the charity said.

Sandusky adopted six children with his wife, three as infants and the other three children through foster care.

Sandusky was a highly-respected figure in the community, which makes the allegations against him, and implications that The Second Mile may have known about at least one reported incident of abuse by Sandusky, especially difficult for the charity.

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Second Mile's funds are much more limited than that of large national organizations like the Boy Scouts.

According to its 2010 annual report, the largest category of The Second Mile's revenues, 27 percent, came from events: $725,525 after expenses. Corporations gave $633,880, individuals gave $438,308 and foundations provided $361,783.

"Anyone who has made a significant gift would be concerned where there money went," Palmer said, and "corporations would be concerned about their Tmage."

Penn State athletics' corporate sponsors are also watching how events unfold at the university. Cars.com has announced it is canceling its sponsorship of Penn State football broadcasts for the next two Saturdays and redistributed its ads during those games.

"Due to the recent allegations surrounding the Penn State Football program, Cars.com notified ESPN on Tuesday morning of its plans to withdraw from this weekend's sponsorship of the Nebraska at Penn State game, as well as next weekend's game between Penn State and Ohio State," the company said in a statement. "As a proud, longtime supporter of ESPN College Football, it's important to us that we're building our brand in a way that celebrates the sport, its fans and the dedication of its student athletes."

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Penn State sex abuse allegations should be investigated by federal government

A federal investigation is the only way to find out the whole truth

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, November 13 2011, 12:11 AM

It got more than somewhat lost the other day, in the aftermath of Joe Paterno and the Penn State president being fired, the school’s version of a Midnight Massacre out of another coverup called Watergate. But a very smart New York defense and civil rights lawyer named Tom Harvey was in the Daily News talking about how he believed the federal government would eventually need to sort things out at Penn State.

Not a special committee of Penn State people investigating Penn State, not the office of the attorney general in Pennsylvania, not even a governor of Pennsylvania who actually was the state’s attorney general at the start of the Penn State investigation.

The feds, Harvey said on the lead page of our sports section on Thursday.

Of course there was so much shouting at Penn State and about Penn State at the time that nobody paid much attention to the ominous common sense that Harvey brought to the subject, putting his own words to the outrage that everyone feels about the way this story of sexual abuse and the outrageous abuse of power played out over more than a decade.

Harvey was out there first with getting the feds involved in this case, and still talking about it with me Saturday. And you better pay attention, the way they better pay attention at Penn State, where the trouble doesn’t go away because they went back to playing football again Saturday, and where things will never be the same.

“JoePa’s situation could get a lot worse if the federal government launches an investigation,” Harvey said. “As far as the State of Pennsylvania’s prosecution, it appears it will be limited to going after Jerry Sandusky for molesting his young victims and the failure of the two administrators for failing to report the incident in 2002.

“Maybe people recall the movie ‘Mississippi Burning’ where local officials were involved in the murder and cover-up of three civil rights workers in the 1960s. Only after the FBI and federal prosecutors took over the investigation would the close-knit community reveal its horrible secrets. Similarly in Happy Valley, Pa. the code of silence that seems to have enveloped the university and the football community there could be broken. And potential conspirators thrown in jail.”

Oh sure, they returned to football Saturday at Penn State. They can never return to the false Happy Valley picture of the place as being different and special from the rest of college football, as hard as they will try. The more horrific details you hear about this case and the way it was handled across nearly two decades, the more you see how football really does become a religion, or a cult, at these big schools, see how powerful the institution of football is, even when under assaults.

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-sex-abuse-allegations-investigated-federal-government-article-1.976806#ixzz1dbeRLyy9

I don't trust the board of trustees as far as I can throw them.

Good article, San.  I agree with Tom Harvey: the Feds need to investigate. 

I wouldn't trust the board of trustees, nor anyone that has an interest in Penn State.  The feds need to investigate.   Sometimes I wonder if the board of trustees went ahead and fired Joe Paterno thinking it would appease and slow the uproar.   Sort of an early sacrifice if you will.  However, Joe Paterno will probably be investigated more thoroughly.  The bit of damage control that's been done  isn't going to cover all that's the underbelly of this tragedy.  So there were a couple of firings and a paid leave.  I don't think that's going to amount to much if this debacle gets proper investigation.  JMHO

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/13/penn.state.abuse.corbett.ap/
Gov. says McQueary failed 'moral obligation' in Sandusky incident
November 13, 2011

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) -- The Penn State football coach who told a grand jury that he saw another coach molest a child failed to meet "a moral obligation" to intervene, Pennsylvania's governor said Sunday, adding that he expects more victims to come forward.

The coach who testified, Mike McQueary, had said he saw retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in a shower at a campus football facility almost a decade ago. Sandusky is accused of assaulting eight boys over 15 years and has maintained his innocence. The university has put McQueary on leave from his job.

McQueary told the grand jury he was distraught by what he witnessed and walked away after both Sandusky and the boy saw him. He said he told his father what happened and then told head coach Joe Paterno, who reported it to his superiors. But those school officials, athletic director Tim Curley and school vice president Gary Schultz, face perjury charges, accused of covering up McQueary's 2002 report.

The charges were filed last weekend and the grand jury's report made public, and the resulting outrage made it clear that Paterno, who had coached for decades at Penn State, would share the blame. He was fired Wednesday. In his last game, a win over Illinois, he'd become the coach with the most wins in Division I history.

As for McQueary, the current attorney general had clearly decided that he was to be treated as a witness in the case, Gov. Tom Corbett said on NBC's Meet the Press.

McQueary met "the minimum obligation" of reporting what he saw to his superiors, who are required under Pennsylvania law to report such assaults to authorities. But McQueary "did not in my opinion meet a moral obligation that all of us would have," said the governor, who as attorney general initiated the investigation that led to the charges.

Corbett also said people have to keep in mind "that this is also somebody who is a witness to this crime and is a very important witness."

State lawmakers from both parties have proposed changes to toughen the law that governs the reporting of sex assaults, Corbett added. He said he would not be surprised to see it strengthened this year.

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Corbett said he expects more allegations of abuse to materialize, a common occurrence in abuse cases.

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Sandusky encountered all the boys through a charity he founded to help at-risk children, Second Mile, prosecutors have said. Leaders of the organization plan to meet soon to determine its future, Corbett said.

"If you talk to people who have worked with Second Mile, it has done great work," he said. "And if it should cease to exist, I am hopeful that other organizations will pick up the work that they did. We need to reach out to these children. We need to give them guidance."

It was bad enough when I read Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy in the showers, but I had never read anywhere previously that Sandusky and the victim both saw him before he ran away from the scene.  I had assumed McQueary saw what was going on and left, without being seen.  If the statement in the above article is correct, it's even worse than I originally thought.   ::MonkeyMad::  If Sandusky saw McQueary witness him having anal sex with a young boy in the showers at the university and saw McQueary leave the scene, that leaves open a whole lot of possibilities.  How much did McQueary gain over the years from the Penn State program or otherwise to be kept quiet?  McQueary may not have had to black mail Sandusky, but it would make sense that Sandusky would be sure to take care of the the witness.  Okay.  It's either that, or Sandusky thought he was such a powerful and influential personality that even if McQueary had called the police, no one would have believed him?  I am just stunned.  And I'm just appalled.  According to this article, McQueary saw both Sandusky and the victim and they both saw him.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  And he ran.  And he told his Daddy.  The victim was violated not once, but twice that day, imo.    McQueary could have been a champion of a child being abused by stepping up and stopping Sandusky.  But he didn't.  McQueary's silence and failure to act fed the monster.  And the monster fed again and again and again.  It's no wonder McQueary answered that he had seen Sandusky and the victim in the shower when he went before the grand jury.  He HAD to because most likely the victim identified Mike McQueary when he was relating the incident to the police!  McQueary is no whistleblower.  He didn't come clean.  He got caught himself!  Lower than low! McQueary may NEVER have told about the incident unless he had been forced when it came to the grand jury.

Link to the article I'm referring to in my post:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/13/penn.state.abuse.corbett.ap/

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/13/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/?hpt=hp_t1
Pennsylvania governor: Change law after Penn State scandal
November 13, 2011

(CNN) -- Pennsylvania needs to change its law in the wake of a scandal over alleged child sexual abuse by a then-member of Penn State's football coaching team, the governor said Sunday.

A new law is needed to make sure reports of alleged child sexual abuse are made to government authorities, Tom Corbett said.

"Should the law be changed? Absolutely," Corbett said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Corbett was the attorney general who began an investigation of former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
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In 2002, a graduate assistant allegedly saw Sandusky raping a boy in the showers of a campus athletics facility. The graduate student, Mike McQueary, informed Joe Paterno, the team's coach at the time, according to the grand jury report. Paterno then alerted his boss, the school's athletic director.

It was years before law enforcement first learned about the allegation.

Penn State Athletic Director Timothy Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz have been charged for failing to report the abuse to authorities and misleading investigators. Prosecutors determined that a legal duty to report the alleged abuse applied to them, but not to McQueary and Paterno.
Members of both political parties "have already introduced measures" to change the law, Corbett said when asked about Paterno. "And we have to make sure that the change in the law is one that is effective. It's easy enough to take a look to see what other states have done. But I'm sure that within the next few weeks, you will probably see bills become public.
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The grand jury report says that Schultz and Curley were "senior staff" of the university. "Pennsylvania's mandatory reporting statute for suspected child abuse ... provides that when a staff member reports abuse ... the person in charge of the school or institution has the responsibility and legal obligation to report or cause such a report to be made by telephone and in writing within 48 hours" to the Department of Public Welfare, according to the report. "An oral report should have been made to the Centre County Children and Youth Services," it said.

The requirement did not apply to McQueary because he was "in a subservient position" as a graduate student, legal analyst Holly Hughes told CNN. He was not "in a position of power," she said.

When Paterno told his boss and no report was given to the authorities, "that is where they failed," she said. "That's where they fall down on the job."

There is also speculation that Pennsylvania's whistle-blower laws may apply to, and protect, McQueary.

Legal analyst and civil rights attorney Avery Friedman said the case highlights the need for "a re-examination of what is called the mandatory reporter law."

"The argument being advanced in Pennsylvania is that as long as you tell the boss, you're covered. And that's where -- I think if we zero in on the issue -- where the problem is. If victims are going to be protected, you have to go to law enforcement, and that didn't happen here," Friedman said.
Outside of the legal concerns, many question why McQueary did not stop what he allegedly saw happening in the showers in 2002.

"How does McQueary, a 28-year-old grad student, look in the showers of a facility and see a grown man raping a 10-year-old child and not instinctively grab a baseball bat and not protect this child? How does he live with himself?" asked Richard Hermann, legal analyst and criminal defense attorney.
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GOP presidential hopeful Rep. Michelle Bachmann, who happened to appear on "Meet the Press" after Corbett, was asked about the scandal.

"If that was my child," she said of the allegations, her "automatic reaction would be, even though I'm a small woman, I'd want to go find that guy and beat him to a pulp."

But Bachmann said the case belongs within the state's jurisdiction, and that she does not see a role for Congress in the response.
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In my home state of Texas, there is a law that covers this.  I've provided a link and snipped the penal code and what options for punishment would be for a person found guilty of a Class A Misdemeanor.  In other words, if this had happened in Texas, and Mike McQueary was found guilty, this is what could face:

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“Under Texas law, you are required to make that report,” said Detective Joel Pridgeon with Austin Police Department’s Child Abuse Unit.

In the Penn State grand jury report, a graduate assistant who witnesses one of the sexual assaults happening notified Joe Paterno, but not police or child protective services.

In Texas, that would qualify as a class A misdemeanor:

Texas Penal Code …

Sec. 38.17.  FAILURE TO STOP OR REPORT AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT OF CHILD.  (a)  A person, other than a person who has a relationship with a child described by Section 22.04(b), commits an offense if:

(1)  the actor observes the commission or attempted commission of an offense prohibited by Section 21.02 or 22.021(a)(2)(B) under circumstances in which a reasonable person would believe that an offense of a sexual or assaultive nature was being committed or was about to be committed against the child;

(2)  the actor fails to assist the child or immediately report the commission of the offense to a peace officer or law enforcement agency; and

(3)  the actor could assist the child or immediately report the commission of the offense without placing the actor in danger of suffering serious bodily injury or death.

(b)  An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
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And a link to:   
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/PE/htm/PE.12.htm
Penal Code
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SUBCHAPTER B. ORDINARY MISDEMEANOR PUNISHMENTS

Sec. 12.21.  CLASS A MISDEMEANOR. An individual adjudged guilty of a Class A misdemeanor shall be punished by:

(1)  a fine not to exceed $4,000;

(2)  confinement in jail for a term not to exceed one year; or

(3)  both such fine and confinement.
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I believe this Victim has NOT been identified!  No one ever bothered to find out who he was or see he got the help he needed.  This is just appalling!  I am from PA and grew up near State College.  Now they say more horrendous news is coming out in the future.  My God, how can it be worse!  I am just sick over this. 

 ::rhino::  They thought wrong didn't they?  Remove anyone from Penn State immediately in this investigation.  I don't want to hear any BS about their own investigation.  Right now the government needs to monitor the boys this guy abused and make sure they are safe.  I think there are people willing to harm these kids for coming forward.

I saw a news reporter yesterday ask a guy a question.  The guy turned to him and said are you a Joe fan?  The reporter didn't answer and asked the question again.  The reporter said I ask the questions.  The guy turned and said if you aren't a Joe fan then you don't belong her and get the hell out of here.

That kind of mentality makes you wonder what these people are thinking.  Yesterdays game was never about the kids like they were saying on TV.  I was about saving face.  That guys mentality proved my point.  JMO.

Hi nomad, we are all sick over this.

You have to wonder how worse it can get.  A guy on ESPN said yesterday this is going to be worse.

What I am wondering is if any of those kids are missing.

Grand Jury Transcript

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

Could it be that Dorothy Sandusky's wife was able to make contact with the victim who 28 year old Mike McQueary observed being raped by her husband in 2002?  Was a settlement reached that implied this victim would not come forward ... identify himself and ... testify before the Grand Jury?

Janet

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Why did Jerry Sandusky's wife call abuse victim weeks before his testimony ....
Last updated at 7:32 PM on 13th November 2011

Jerry Sandusky’s wife has been largely absent from the analysis of who knew what about her husband’s alleged sexual abuse of eight boys over a 15-year period.

But Dorothy 'Dottie' Gross Sandusky does make an appearance in the 23-page Grand Jury indictment which graphically details the charges against the 67-year-old former Penn State coach.

Mrs Sandusky, 68, attempted to call one of the victims in the weeks leading up to his testimony, despite the fact the now 26-year-old had cut off all contact with Sandusky two years prior.

She left a message on Victim 7's phone saying the matter was 'very important' but the man, who told the Grand Jury that as a ten-year-old in 1994, Sandusky hugged and inappropriately touched him, did not return the call.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060914/Jerry-Sandusky-Penn-State-sex-abuse-Why-did-Jerry-wife-abuse-victim-weeks-testimony.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 ::MonkeyShocked::

BUMPED

The Guy in the Glass

When you get what you want in your struggle for pelf,
And the world makes you King for a day,
Then go to the mirror and look at yourself,
And see what that guy has to say.

For it isn't your Father, or Mother, or Wife,
Who judgement upon you must pass.
The feller whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the guy staring back from the glass.

He's the feller to please, never mind all the rest,
For he's with you clear up to the end,
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the guy in the glass is your friend.

You may be like Jack Horner and "chisel" a plum,
And think you're a wonderful guy,
But the man in the glass says you're only a bum
If you can't look him straight in the eye.

You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years,
And get pats on the back as you pass,
But your final reward will be heartaches and tears
If you've cheated the guy in the glass.

by Dale Wimbrow, 1934

Was Joe Paterno able to look into the eyes of "the man in the glass" each morning for the past decade.  I don't think so.

Janet

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Tamikosmom

Thank you for the link.  Yes, it does state NO one bothered to find out who this little boy was!
Knew I had read that appalling fact.

Oh San!  You are right about so many things; especially in Natalee's case.  This is one time I hope you are wrong.  But in all honesty, nothing would surprise me anymore.  I really do believe Gricar (the DA who disappeared) and his ruined computer/hard drive somehow relate to past evidence against Sanduskey.

I am sorry, I got my post inside Tamikosmom's post.  Guess it has just been too long since I posted.  Maybe someone can fix for me?  If you can, TIA.


Fixed it = San

I hope I am doing this post correctly. Not sure how to post pictures from an article and to post a link to the article, but I am going to try.

The more I read the more disgusted I get!  It appears the judge (picture in the article) who left Sandusky out on unsecured bail is involved with "The Second Mile".

Link:  http://deadspin.com/5859075/  (http://deadspin.com/5859075/)

snip:  When Jerry Sandusky was initially arraigned, as previously reported by Sara Ganim, prosecutors requested $500,000.00 bail and that Sandusky be required to wear a leg monitor. District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, however, ordered that Sandusky be freed on $100,000.00 unsecured bail. She ordered that Sandusky be freed and pay nothing unless he failed to show up for a court hearing.

snip:   Of course, also according to her profile, Judge Dutchcot is a volunteer for Sandusky's group, The Second Mile. Sandusky turned himself in the morning of November 5, a Saturday, at Judge Dutchot's Centre County office. He was released, under the aforementioned terms, shortly thereafter.

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Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer

When Jerry Sandusky was initially arraigned, as previously reported by Sara Ganim, prosecutors requested $500,000.00 bail and that Sandusky be required to wear a leg monitor. District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, however, ordered that Sandusky be freed on $100,000.00 unsecured bail. She ordered that Sandusky be freed and pay nothing unless he failed to show up for a court hearing.

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Of course, also according to her profile, Judge Dutchcot is a volunteer for Sandusky's group, The Second Mile. Sandusky turned himself in the morning of November 5, a Saturday, at Judge Dutchot's Centre County office. He was released, under the aforementioned terms, shortly thereafter.

Attorneys often serve charitable foundations in their pro bono capacities, or just volunteer in their spare time, so there is nothing weird about that. It just seems that, given the nature of the charges, the small town atmosphere and her relationship to Second Mile, Judge Dutchcot should have recused herself from being involved with this process. Or, that could be precisely why she did not.

Thanks nomad and MuffyBee

Something is not right.  Would Jerry Sandusky and District Judge Leslie Dutchcot's connections to the Second Mile foundation not imply a conflict of interest?

Nevertheless ... does the judge not get it!  A witness observed a child being raped by Sandusky.  Has Dutchcot not read the Grand Jury transcript?

Sandusky is facing life in prison.  He is a flight risk if there every was one and ... he has  the means to make it happen.

Jerry Sandusky's disappearance? Maybe that is the plan ... the plan established by the "powers that be" within the University ... within LE ... within the Second Mile Foundation and ... within the State.  All these levels would be open to lawsuits by victims if  Sandusky were convicted ... lawsuits by victims for not taking action over the years in regards to all the red flags/allegations that came to their attention.

Janet

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Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer
Nov 13, 2011 3:51 PM

When Jerry Sandusky was initially arraigned, as previously reported by Sara Ganim, prosecutors requested $500,000.00 bail and that Sandusky be required to wear a leg monitor. District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, however, ordered that Sandusky be freed on $100,000.00 unsecured bail. She ordered that Sandusky be freed and pay nothing unless he failed to show up for a court hearing.

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http://deadspin.com/5859075/

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)

PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
Attorney for one alleged #Sandusky victim tells @NBCNews he's preparing civil lawsuit against #PennState.
3 hours ago
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Sandusky still receiving monthly pension payments from #PennState coaching job, totaling $58K+ annually.(via @pennlive)
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Thanks nomad.  This judge needs to be removed from making decisions in this case.  This makes me so mad  ::MonkeyMad::

This guy has a lot of connections.

Our Federal Government needs to step in immediately.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html#/v/1273527686001/judge-jeanine-innocence-shattered/?playlist_id=163706
November 13, 2011
Judge Jeanine: Innocence Shattered
Summation of the Penn State scandal
(Video)

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html#/v/1273405282001/da-originally-investigating-psu-scandal-missing/?playlist_id=163706
November 13, 2011
DA Originally Investigating PSU Scandal Missing
What happened to Ray Gricar in 2005?
(video)

It truly is outrageous. I don't think anyone knows where he is now.  It appears he is not at his home.  With all the money he is receiving from Penn State + the Second Mile and who knows how much money he has stashed from the past 3 decades, one would immediately think flight risk.  Some Government entity should take over the whole university and do a good housecleaning. Everything concerning this is totally out of hand.  Did you see where Shultz is receiving over $300,000 a year retirement? Unbelievable!

ps thank you for fixing my earlier post.

Thank you for these as I hadn't seen them.  I read this very interesting article on CBS re: Gricar's disappearance.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16080125/gricars-2005-disappearance-only-one-of-many-mysteries-in-psu-scandal (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16080125/gricars-2005-disappearance-only-one-of-many-mysteries-in-psu-scandal)

snip:

They're mysterious, these clues, as everything about this story seems to be. When Gricar left his home that day in April 2005, he told his family he was driving to Lewisburg, Pa., a place about an hour away where he liked to shop for antiques. And indeed it looks like he made it there, because it was in a parking lot in Lewisburg that police found his red-and-white 2004 Mini Cooper. They found no sign of a struggle inside the car, but they did find traces of cigarette ashes.

Ray Gricar didn't smoke, and didn't let people smoke in his car. So who left those ashes, and when? It's a mystery.

The other clue is even more mind-bending. Gricar's computer was found in pieces, the first piece in July 2005, three months after his disappearance. Fishermen spotted his laptop under a bridge, damaged by water and missing its hard drive. Two months later a woman walking on the riverbank found the hard drive, about a half-mile from where the Mini Cooper had been abandoned. The hard drive was so water-damaged, investigators couldn't get any information from it.

snip:

But in 2009, investigators announced what they had found on the home computer at Ray Gricar's house. In the weeks before he vanished, someone had used that computer to research ways of destroying a computer hard drive.

What does that mean? It's a mystery. One guess -- my guess -- is that Ray Gricar had used his laptop in 2005 to visit websites that disturbed him, disturbed him so much that he wanted to kill any sign he had been there ... before killing himself in the same way his brother had killed himself in 1996.

WOW that's a lot of money.  Unreal.

Brian Williams will be covering the story tomorrow night on Rock Center.  Bob Costas will be reporting.

http://tinyurl.com/7dtnl4v

Having internet issues today.  Just read that the judge in this case is linked the Sandusky's 'charity' and that his wife tried to call a victim.  This is just twisted.  It really is.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/133756083.html?cmpid=15585797

Jerry Sandusky's home vandalized


Why am I not surprised that this guy lived near a school and playground?

Former Penn State Assistant Coach Reportedly Continues to Receive Monthly Pension Payments
Published November 13, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. –  Former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, who has been charged with 21 felony counts of child sexual abuse, continues to receive substantial monthly pension payments from the university stemming from a deal reached when he retired, The Patriot-News reported.

Sandusky retired from his assistant coaching position in 1999, but retained coach "emeritus" status and access to Penn State facilities. Upon his retirement, he chose to take a $148,271 lump-sum pension payment from the State Employees' Retirement System, the newspaper reported.

The remainder of his pension is paid out on a monthly basis and totals $58,898 annually, The Patriot-News said.

Sandusky has been accused of sexually abusing eight minors over a period of 15 years, with some of the assaults allegedly occurring on the Penn State campus. He denies the charges.

Former Penn State Vice President Gary Schultz, who has been charged with perjury before the grand jury and failing to report suspected child abuse, retired from his position in 2009 but had returned to his Penn State post in September on a temporary basis.

He received a $421,847 lump-sum payment at the time of his retirement in 2009 and now receives a monthly pension payment of $27,558, The Patriot-News reported.

Schultz's monthly payments amount to nearly $331,000 a year.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/former-penn-state-assistant-coach-reportedly-continues-to-receive-monthly/

Former Penn State Assistant Coach Reportedly Continues to Receive Monthly Pension Payments
Published November 13, 2011

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The newspaper said former athletic director Tim Curley, who was also charged with perjury and failing to report suspected child abuse, did not participate in the state pension system.

Curley and Schulz both stepped down from their posts when they were indicted. Both maintain their innocence.

The Patriot-News said it has submitted a request for pension information for Joe Paterno, the longtime Penn State coach who was fired late Wednesday after criticism that he did not do more in response to allegations made in 2002 against Sandusky.

Former Penn State president Graham Spanier, who was also fired on Wednesday, also was not a member of the state pension system, the newspaper said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/former-penn-state-assistant-coach-reportedly-continues-to-receive-monthly/

If the allegations were known by board members was was there "shock" when the indictment came down?

Janet

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NOVEMBER 13, 2011, 10:23 P.M. ET
Board of Charity Founded by Sandusky: 'Shocked'

Board members of the children's charity founded by Jerry Sandusky are shocked by allegations the former Pennsylvania State University assistant football coach sexually abused young boys he met through the group over a period of 15 years, according to a board member.

"Honestly, everyone is shocked. These are horrific charges," said state Sen. Jake Corman. "If true, someone that everyone held up with the highest esteem possible turns into a monster."

Mr. Corman, a Republican who joined the board of The Second Mile in 2010, said the board met Sunday in State College, Pa., where the nonprofit is based. He declined to say what the board discussed, but said the group would issue a new statement as early as Monday, likely on its website. "We have someone who is going to speak for the organization."

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Mr. Corman said that when he joined Second Mile's board in 2010 he was informed about an investigation into Mr. Sandusky by the office of the state attorney general. He said he and other statewide board members, who typically met three times a year, knew few details of investigation's progress. "We were never contacted by the Attorney General's office. Just Jerry himself told us and then his lawyer," Mr. Corman said. "We knew it was out there and we were sort of bracing ourselves if an indictment ever came down. We didn't have much interaction with the investigation."

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Mr. Corman declined to comment on whether Second Mile should have taken some action in 2002. Mr. Sandusky was banned from interacting with children at the nonprofit's events in 2008 after he informed it about another investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct made that year, the nonprofit said in its statement. In 2010, he fully retired from the organization. "I wasn't there and I'm going to refrain on commenting on what should or shouldn't have been done," Mr. Corman said.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190504577036924115215192.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/former-penn-state-assistant-coach-reportedly-continues-to-receive-monthly/
Judge Who Freed Sandusky on Bail Volunteered at His Charity, Report Says Amid Pension Revelations
Published November 14, 2011
| NewsCore
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. –  The judge who ordered former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky be freed on $100,000 unsecured bail worked as a volunteer for his charity, The Second Mile, Deadspin reported Sunday.

The report came after separate revelations that Sandusky was continuing to receive hefty pension payouts from the university.

Sandusky, 67, has been charged with 21 felony counts for allegedly abusing eight male minors over a period of 15 years. He denies the charges.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/former-penn-state-assistant-coach-reportedly-continues-to-receive-monthly/#ixzz1dgG8ke9m

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Lupica: Penn State child sex abuse coverup may be the Watergate of sports

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A group of students at Penn State collect money for childhelpusa.org outside Beaver Stadium before an NCAA college football game against Nebraska Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011 in State College, Pa.

Silence is not an option: Penn St. sex abuse scandal forces parents to ask kids tough questions

As adult guardians prove untrustworthy, parents go farther to teach kids about abuse

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, November 14 2011, 1:33 AM

She  is the mother of a 10-year-old boy and they live in a big football town where Saturdays are all about the high school team. The mother is not much of a sports fan, though, and had to call a friend Saturday to find out where she could find the Penn State Nebraska game on television.

“It wouldn’t have dawned on me to ever watch a Penn State football game,” she was saying, “until now.”

She has not followed the story about sexual abuse there, about a coverup that will someday be discussed in this country as a Watergate of sports, as a sports fan. She has only followed it, with growing horror, as a parent. And when the game was over on Saturday, and we had seen these ridiculous pictures of people who seemed to be mourning a football coach and Penn State football more than they were the children who were victimized, she sat down with her son.

“I asked him if he knew what had happened at Penn State, and he said no,” she said. “And then I explained it to him as best as I could, a more specific conversation than we’d ever had on this subject, the one that all parents have as a way of trying to keep their children safe.

“And at the end of it, I told him again that if something bad happens, if you think somebody is ever trying to do something bad, tell me. Tell your father. Tell a teacher. But tell somebody who can do something about it. Really, the conversation was about how you can’t stay silent in the face of evil in the world.”

We only begin to find out about the silences at Penn State, about what kind of coverup they had there, what the people in charge knew and when and why they didn’t do more when first warned that there might be a monster in their midst. Watergate was a small, dumb burglary, but one that eventually threatened the foundations of our government. The crimes at Penn State, against children, are much worse, so much worse that they become another part of American life that makes us all wonder if everything is unraveling in front of our eyes.

On Friday night, the President of the United States said that we can’t merely “rely on bureaucracy and systems in these kinds of situations. People have to step forward, they have to be tapping into just their core decency.”

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/silence-option-penn-st-sex-abuse-scandal-forces-parents-kids-tough-questions-article-1.977146#ixzz1dgNJdXi2

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57324022/penn-state-president-explains-mcqueary-status/
Penn State president explains McQueary status
November 14, 2011

(CBS News)

Penn State president Rodney Erickson says Mike McQueary, an assistant coach now on administrative leave who was a graduate assistant when he allegedly witnessed sex abuse at the school in 2002, wasn't fired last week because "legal issues" are in play.

McQueary allegedly saw retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a child in the shower in a school locker room.

Sandusky is accused of assaulting eight boys over 15 years, and denies the charges.
When asked why Joe Paterno, the iconic Penn State head football coach was fired and not McQueary, Erickson said McQueary's situation was "different." He said, "The board, last Wednesday night, felt that they had to take decisive action, and they did."

"Early Show" co-anchor Jeff Glor asked, "Why was it a different situation, though, if both had information that potentially could have stopped this earlier? Why was one put on administrative leave and one just removed from the position?"

"All I can say at this point is that there are legal issues that are involved," Erickson said.

Glor noted there are three investigations being conducted.Erickson said he hopes to see them completed as soon as possible, so the school can "take whatever corrective actions may be recommended as a result of those investigations."

As for the school, Erickson said "there's ... been the start of a healing process."

When asked if the focus has been too much about the football program and Paterno -- and not on the victims -- Erickson said, "I would certainly hope that the bulk of the focus is on the victims, because there's been so much sadness here at the university over the course of the last week, so much emotion that has been directed toward the victims. Our hearts go out to them."

Just after the announcement that Paterno had been fired amid the scandal, disturbances broke out in State College, Pa., where the school is located.
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He said, "The fact that our students organized a candlelight vigil to support the victims of child sexual abuse, where 10,000, mostly students, showed up, I think was an excellent example of the real character of Penn State and Penn State students.
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There might be some good that comes of this, other places are taking a second look or will act appropriately to new accusations;
  After Penn State, another college reveals abuse probe
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/us-crime-citadel-abuse-idUSTRE7AB12F20111113

  Mike McQueary, Sandusky case witness, hires Harrisburg firm that specializes in employment law
 
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mcqueary_hires_harrisburg_firm.html

Pa. monkeys, your state Senators and Representitives need to hear from you about this proposed bill;
Penn State Scandal Revives Bill Requiring Calls to Police of Suspected Incidents. 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190504577036513196362348.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

BREAKING NEWS FOX:  THE CEO OF THE SECOND MILE CHARITY HAS RESIGNED

The Second Mile, the charity at the center of the Penn State child sex abuse scandal, confirmed it has accepted the resignation of its CEO, Jack Raykovitz, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported Monday.

The non-profit organization was founded by former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky in the late 1970s to help disadvantaged children.

Sandusky, 67, has been charged with 21 felony counts for allegedly abusing eight male minors over a period of 15 years. He denies the charges.

Announcing Raykovitz's departure, The Second Mile said, "We will conduct an internal investigation to assess our internal policies, procedures and processes and make recommendations regarding the organization's future operations."

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Second-Mile-CEO-Jack-Raykovitz-resigns-111411

Muffy , I don't know where to put this . While checking on some laws I found this page that has state and territory law regarding child welfare in an easy to find format;
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/state/

This is an excellent resource alagary.  I'd like to keep the post here, but I also think there would be another place to post it so we can find it again.  I have to run out this second, but I will get back to it unless Klaas or another mod does first.  MB

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/14/us/pennsylvania-coach-abuse/index.html
Judge who freed Sandusky has volunteered for his charity
By Mary Snow, CNN
updated 8:36 AM EST, Mon November 14, 2011

Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
Since Sandusky was freed, an elementary school neighboring his home has taken steps to ensure student safety. Sandusky's backyard is next to the playground at Lemont Elementary School.

When he was released on bail, Sandusky, the former Nittany Lion defensive coordinator, was told not to go near children.

State College Area School District Superintendent Robert J. O'Donnell told The Patriot-News newspaper in an e-mail that police were aware of the issue and that the principal at the school "has taken additional administrative action to ensure our children are safe. These measures ... will remain in place moving forward."
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Leader of Second Mile children's charity resigns over Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal
 
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/ceo_of_the_second_mile_steps_d.html

I don't want to hear the BS of we will conduct our own investigation.  That means nothing will happen and they are covering themselves.

Confiscate all their records.  Shut them down.

Disturbing Sandusky interview surfaces 11/14/2011
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45285321#45285321

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/14/full-text-second-mile-board-of-directors-issues-statement-on-resignation-of-ceo-jack-raykovitz-amid-sandusky-child-sex-abuse-allegations/
10:31 am ET November 14, 2011
FULL TEXT: Second Mile Board of Directors Issues Statement on Resignation of CEO Jack Raykovitz Amid Sandusky Child Sex Abuse Allegations
by Fox News Insider Posted in: Child Sex Abuse Allegations, Jack Raykovitz, Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno, Penn State, Second Mile   

Internal investigation!!!  I would hope that there is a Federal investigation into all aspects of the Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile foundation.

Janet

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President of Charity Linked to Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal Resigns
Published November 14, 2011

The president of a charity linked to the Penn State child sex-abuse scandal said he has resigned.

The Board of Directors of The Second Mile said it accepted Dr. Jack Raykovitz's resignation Sunday.

Raykovitz's resignation comes after the charity's founder, Jerry Sandusky, was charged with sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period. Sandusky worked as a defensive coordinator for Penn State's football team under legendary head coach Joe Paterno, who was ousted from his position last week. 

The organization said in a statement that Raykovitz had been CEO of the charity for 28 years.

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The Second Mile said it will be conducting an internal investigation of its programs.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/14/president-charity-linked-to-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal-resigns/

I was watching the view this morning and Joy Behar said what Jerry Sandusky did to these children was just like murder.  He murdered their souls.

... and those who had knowledge but did nothing meaningful to stop Jerry Sandusky in his murder rampage are participants.

Janet

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Big-Ten-takes-Joe-Paterno-name-off-championship-trophy-111411
Big Ten takes Paterno's name off trophy
November 14, 2011

PARK RIDGE, Ill. (AP)

The Big Ten has taken Joe Paterno's name off the Big Ten's football championship trophy.
League commissioner Jim Delany said Monday that it is ''inappropriate'' to keep Paterno's name on the trophy that will be awarded Dec. 3 after the first Big Ten title game.
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The trophy had been named the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy. Amos Alonzo Stagg won 319 games in 57 years, most at the University of Chicago. Paterno's 409 wins are the most by a major college coach.

The trophy will now be called the Stagg Championship Trophy.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/14/alleged-sandusky-victims-lawyer-ben-andreozzi-on-how-his-client-is-coping/
11:52 am ET November 14, 2011
Lawyer for Alleged Sandusky Victim Speaks Out About How His Client Is Coping
by Happening Now Posted in: Ben Andreozzi, Jeff Dion, Jerry Sandusky, Jon Scott, Penn State, Second Mile   

Video at link.

Jerry Sandusky
First Pic Since Sex Scandal Broke

CORRECTION BY TMZ:  THIS IS NOT JERRY SANDUSKY

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Jerry Sandusky has gone underground since the Penn State child sex scandal broke in a very public way last week, but TMZ just got the first photo of the disgraced former assistant coach.

The photo was taken this AM at LaGuardia Airport in NYC, as Sandusky waited for his flight, and passed the time by diving into a bag of Dunkin' Donuts.

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http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/14/jerry-sandusky-laguardia-airport-dunkin-donuts/#.TsGD7FbAGq0

Corporations stop giving to the Second Mile, says former official
 
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/corporations_stop_giving_to_th.html

Really surprised Sandusky is alone like that. I would have thought that could be a security problem for the airport.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/centre_county_court_to_launch.html
Centre County court to launch a website for Sandusky updates
November 14, 2011

The Centre County government website is planning to launch a page devoted to updates in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse case.

Art Heinz, communications coordinator for the Administrative Office of the Pennsylvania Courts, says it could be up later today or tomorrow, and will include updates like scheduling for court hearings.

Heinz also said the AOPC would not be making any statement today about the firestorm surrounding District Judge Leslie Dutchcot's volunteering for The Second Mile, the charity that Sandusky founded in 1977.
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A source close has told The Patriot-News that Dutchcot volunteered during 2008 and 2009, and had no contact with Sandusky. He stopped participating in Second Mile events in 2008, when the most recent allegations were made.



BBM
Doesn't matter to me.  It's still a conflict of interest in my opinion.  The judge should have recused herself.  Weren't there others that could have handled the matter?  And this is still another reason for the feds to look into this.

I would like to know why he was in New York.  Was he interviewing high powered lawyers?

CORRECTION BY TMZ: THAT WAS NOT JERRY SANDUSKY

The first lawyer that came to mind was Joe Tacopina.  ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::

Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer
Nov 13, 2011 3:51 PM

When Jerry Sandusky was initially arraigned, as previously reported by Sara Ganim, prosecutors requested $500,000.00 bail and that Sandusky be required to wear a leg monitor.

District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, however, ordered that Sandusky be freed on $100,000.00 unsecured bail. She ordered that Sandusky be freed and pay nothing unless he failed to show up for a court hearing.

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http://deadspin.com/5859075/

I just heard on NBC News that Bob Costa has a interview with Jerry Sandusky tonight.

Jerry Sandusky said in his interview years ago:

"Everyone needs people to care for them.  Sometimes they don't want it."

Sick.

 :smt078

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/14/sandusky-admits-showering-with-boys-but-says-hes-innocent-sex-abuse-charges/
Sandusky Admits Showering With Boys, but Says He's 'Innocent' of Sex Abuse Charges

WOW..the ego.   ::MonkeyEek::

So, according to Sandusky, 2 janitors, a grad assistant, and so far, 8 young men are all lying just to because they can? 

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids
Jerry Sandusky to Bob Costas in exclusive 'Rock Center' interview: "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."
Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:18 PM EST
Video at link.
By Jessica Hopper
Rock Center

DEVELOPING: Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky admitted to showering and horsing around with young boys but said he is not a pedophile in an exclusive interview with Bob Costas for NBC News' Rock Center airing tonight at 10 pm/9 CT. 

"I say that I am innocent of those charges," said Sandusky in a phone interview with Costas.

When asked by Costas, "Are you a pedophile," Sandusky responded "No."

Joe Paterno’s one time defensive coordinator was charged earlier this month with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys. He is currently free on a $100,000 bond and has denied any wrongdoing. The allegations date back to 1994, according to a grand jury report. A grand jury report detailed claims of alleged sexual encounters with young boys in Sandusky's home, hotels and Penn State locker rooms.

"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," said Sandusky.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/sports/ncaafootball/jack-raykovitz-chief-of-second-mile-resigns-amid-penn-state-scandal.html
More Accusations Surface in Penn State Abuse Case
November 14, 2011


STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — As many as 10 additional suspected victims have come forward to the authorities since the arrest of the former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky last Saturday on 40 counts of sexually abusing young boys, according to people close to the investigation. The police are working to confirm the new allegations.
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In a phone interview with Bob Costas that was broadcast Monday night on “Rock Center,” Sandusky said he was innocent of the charges against him and declared that he was not a pedophile. He did acknowledge, “I shouldn’t have showered with those kids.”

“I could say that I have done some of those things,” he said of the allegations against him. “I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact.”

He added: “I enjoy being around children. I enjoy their enthusiasm. I just have a good time with them.”
 ::snipping2::

Mike McQueary To Former Teammates: "I Didn’t Just Turn And Run … I Made Sure It Stopped"

Via Peter Alexander of NBC Nightly News, Penn State receivers coach Mike McQueary has sent an email to former teammates. McQueary, who played at Penn State in the 1990s, was the one who told the grand jury he had witnessed Jerry Sandusky raping a child in a Penn State shower in 2002, when McQueary was a graduate assistant coach. In a series of tweets from Alexander's feed, he quotes McQueary as saying, "I did the right thing...you guys know me...the truth is not out there fully...I didn't just turn and run...I made sure it stopped...I had to make quick tough decisions..." [@PeterAlexander; photo via AP]

http://deadspin.com/5859494/ (http://deadspin.com/5859494/)


I hope this is true and McQueary pummeled Sandusky!

Surely we would have heard about that, although I wish it was so . . . scum Sandusky.

They are talking to Jerry Sandusky by phone on Rock Center.  This guy is a liar and disgusting.  He said nothing happened when the coach saw them in the shower.  He said they were goofing off and he was slapping a towel.  He is a liar.  So he admits someone saw him in the shower.

His lawyer said they expect some of those kids come forward and say this never happened.  He said he located one of the kids.  He said isn't that funny.  They found the kid and the commonwealth didn't.

Of course they found the kid Jerry Sandusky told him his name. ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::

Did Mike McQueary call 911?  Did Mike McQueary take the little boy home ... to hospital?

Allowing the child to leave with his rapist was a cowardly act.

Janet

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_states_mike_mcqueary_writ.html

Penn State's Mike McQueary writes email to ex-teammates: 'I did the right thing'
Published: Monday, November 14, 2011, 10:07 PM     Updated: Monday, November 14, 2011, 10:24 PM

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McQueary, who was placed on paid administrative leave by Penn State on Friday and did not coach in the Nittany Lions' 17-14 loss to Nebraska the following day at Beaver Stadium, has not spoken publicly since the Penn State scandal broke. But in the email obtained by NBC News, McQueary told friends and colleagues: "I did the right thing ... you guys know me ... the truth is not out there fully ... I didn't just turn and run ... I made sure it stopped ... I had to make quick tough decisions ...''

According to the grand jury presentment, McQueary left the locker room immediately after witnessing the alleged assault. Nothing in the grand jury presentment backs McQueary's assertion that he "made sure it stopped.''

I think it was a different kid she tried to contact?  This kid is older.  The boy the coach saw in the shower was about 10 years old.  The crime happened in 2002 which is 9 years ago.  That boy would be about 19 or 20 now.

I was trying to avoid reading this until you posted in yesterday.  I read most of it and it's just sickening how this guy operated.  Same routine over and over.

It was said he was offered other jobs at other colleges and he declined.  He declined because he didn't want to go to far from the Foundation he created.  It was easy access for him to get the kids.  If he moved it wouldn't be so easy.  He knew exactly what he had and what he created.

San

Maybe the 10 year old 2002 rape victim who would currently be approximately 19 years old was contacted by Dorothy and was "persuaded" not to testify against Jerry.

Could the 2002 rape victim be who Jerry/attorney is referring to in tonight's interview?

Gotta go.

Janet

+++++

I really wonder if Ray Gricar was bothered by what he knew and planned to reveal his knowledge after his retirement.  There is a reason why that man's body has never been found.  Suicide just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not sure Janet.  I know they said they found someone and he is coming forward.  When asked you found one of the boys?  He said yes and we found him and the commonwealth didn't.  To me it makes it even more strange they he had this boys number.  His wife needs to go to jail along with her husband.

At the end of the day if that is in fact the boy the other coach saw in the shower then it's going to be his word against Sandusky.  I believe the coach saw what he saw and now they are saying there is more to the story.  What if the boy in the shower doesn't want anyone to know what happened to him and he is going to deny what happened.  THE COACH SAW WHAT HAPPENED.  Sandusky brushed it off by saying the slapping sound that was heard was him goofing off in the show and slapping a towel around.

Sandusky seems to be running his mouth off.

I agree. He had everything to live for and had no problems from what I read.

Here is the Bob Costas interview from TMZ.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/14/jerry-sandusky-bob-costas-video/#.TsHsvVbAGq0

These salaries are ridiculous. There is no way being Ceo of a charity most of us never heard of until last week is worth paying that much. It only makes the "pimping" rumors more plausible.
Second Mile official had concerns about Jerry Sandusky and certain boys in 2008
 
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/second_mile_executive_katherin.html

I don't believe him. It's finally sinking in to him what a sorry POS would do something like he did.

Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' but insists he's innocent

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 5:55 AM EST, Tue November 15, 2011

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/apps/cvp/3.0/swf/cnn_416x234_embed.swf?context=embed&videoId=bestoftv/2011/11/14/sot-rock-center-costas-sandusky-nbc.cnn

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky insisted in an interview Monday night he is "innocent" of charges that he sexually abused young boys, denying to NBC's Bob Costas that he's a pedophile.

In a telephone interview with NBC's "Rock Center With Brian Williams," Sandusky admitted that some details in the graphic 23-page grand jury report released earlier this month are correct.

"I could say I have done some of those things," he said. "I have horsed around with kids I have showered (with) after workouts. I have hugged them, and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact."

Still, Sandusky claimed he has been falsely accused of crimes. When pressed, the 67-year-old Sandusky said the only thing he did wrong was having "showered with those kids."

Costas asked directly: "Are you sexually attracted to underage boys?"

Sandusky repeated the question, paused, and responded, "No. I enjoy young people."

Asked if then-head football coach Joe Paterno had ever spoken to him about his behavior or expressed disapproval, Sandusky said simply, "No."

And asked if he felt guilty over the spreading fallout that has affected the university and prominent university figures including the fired Paterno, Sandusky responded, "I don't think it was my fault. I obviously played a part in this ... I shouldn't have showered with those kids. That's what hits me the most."

Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, said Monday night that showering with children does not equate automatically to sexual assault.

"Jerry Sandusky is a big, overgrown kid. He's a jock," Amendola told CNN's Jason Carroll. "The bottom line is jocks do that -- they kid around, they horse around."

But CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin said she thinks a crime has already been committed, based on Sandusky's own admissions.

"It's such a classic fact pattern for him to admit that he showered with these children and horsed around and confessed to touching them," she said on CNN's "AC360." "In my mind, that's already misdemeanor child sex abuse. So I disagree when the attorney says nothing criminal happened here. That, in and of itself, is criminal ... I'm flabbergasted."

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Maybe I should head over to the local high school and see if I can take a shower with the cheerleaders, just to horse around , don't worry.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/8834687-418/sandusky-denies-abusing-boys-ny-times-says-theres-more-suspected-victims.html
Sandusky denies abusing boys; N.Y. Times says there’s more suspected victims
November 14, 2011

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In a telephone interview Monday night on NBC News’ “Rock Center,” Bob Costas asked Jerry Sandusky if he’s a pedophile and Sandusky responded, “No.”

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Sandusky, once considered veteran coach Joe Paterno’s heir apparent, was arrested more than a week ago and is charged with sexually abusing eight boys, some on Penn State property, over a 15-year span.

“I am innocent of those charges,” the 67-year-old Sandusky said. “... I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them, and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact.”

Asked whether he was sexually attracted to underaged boys, he said “Sexually attracted, no. I enjoy young people, I love to be around them, but, no, I’m not sexually attracted to young boys.”

Asked if there was anything he had done wrong, Sandusky said, “I shouldn’t have showered with those kids.”
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The interview with Costas was Sandusky’s first public comment on the charges. He had previously maintained his innocence through his attorney, Joe Amendola.

A spokesman for Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly declined to comment on the interview, citing the active investigation.

Sandusky’s remarks came the same night that Amendola, told CNN that his client was just behaving like “a jock.”

“Jerry Sandusky is a big overgrown kid,” Amendola said. “He’s a jock, and for anybody who’s ever played sports, you get showers after you work out.”

Wide receivers coach Mike McQueary told a grand jury that in March 2001 when he was a graduate assistant, he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy about 10 years old in a shower at the Nittany Lions’ practice center. McQueary did not go to police but instead told Paterno, Curley and Schultz, although it is unclear how detailed a description he gave. Schultz, in turn, notified Spanier.

Sandusky told NBC that only “horseplay” was involved.

“We were showering and horsing around, and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor, and we were, as I recall, possibly like snapping a towel — horseplay,” he said.

Amendola accused the attorney general’s office of having “thrown everything they can throw up against the wall.” He said some of the allegations, such as putting a hand on a boy’s knee, do not constitute criminal conduct and other cases include no direct complaint by the boy.

“They have other people who are saying they saw something, but they don’t have actual people saying, ‘This is what Jerry did to me,” Amendola said. “We’re working to find those people, and when the time comes, and if we are able to do that, we think this whole case will change dramatically.”
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When Sandusky retired in 1999, at just 55, he cited his desire to devote more time to The Second Mile, a charity he founded in 1977 to help at-risk kids. According to the grand jury report, however, Sandusky was a sexual predator who used the charity and his Penn State connections to prey on young boys.

Though he was not particularly close with Paterno, he remained a familiar sight around the Penn State football complex. He was given an office in the East Area Locker building, across the street from the football building, as part of his retirement package, and would take Second Mile kids around the football facilities.

Sandusky said Paterno never asked him about his behavior or what he might have done.

The Sandusky interview came on the day when it was announced the president of The Second Mile had resigned. Jack Raykovitz, a practicing psychologist who had led the group for 28 years, said he hoped his resignation, accepted Sunday, would help restore faith in the group’s mission. The Second Mile also announced it had hired Philadelphia’s longtime district attorney as its new general counsel.

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Does anyone really think that this charity has a chance in the devil's hometown of ever benefiting a child ever again?  Come on, wake up and smell the sports creme.  What parent in her right mind is going to let her child be involved in this group?  They might as well shut the doors and go home.  How many of us believe that this 'charity' was started for the sole purpose of supplying Sandusky with victims...1 hand raised here!

Thanks San

Janet

Joseph Amendola, Lawyer For Jerry Sandusky, Hints At New Information With Bob Costas
First Posted: 11/15/11 03:04 AM ET Updated: 11/15/11 08:21 AM ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/joe-amendola-lawyer-jerry-sandusky-costas-interview_n_1094163.html


Video/Audio:  Bob Costas and Joseph Amendola interview with Jerry Sandusky.

Transcript:  Bob Costas Interview with Jerry Sandusky's attorney.

 
 

Joseph Amendola, Lawyer For Jerry Sandusky, Hints At New Information With Bob Costas
First Posted: 11/15/11 03:04 AM ET Updated: 11/15/11 08:21 AM ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/joe-amendola-lawyer-jerry-sandusky-costas-interview_n_1094163.html


Video/Audio:  Bob Costas and Joseph Amendola interview with Jerry Sandusky.

Transcript:  Bob Costas Interview with Jerry Sandusky's attorney

  ‘Perv’ coach’s lawyer knocked up teen: report
 
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/perv_coach_lawyer_knocked_up_teen_pkbg3H2aFyOlwspQJQnqVN

Who better to represent a pedophile than an expert?

Former Penn State Defensive Coach Jerry Sandusky Admits Showering & Horsing Around with Little Boys but says He is Not a Pedophile
 
This story might be one of the biggest WTF ever!!!

Good grief, Jerry Sandusky’s comments sound an awful lot like,  I smoked pot but I never inhaled.

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Posted November 14, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/11/14/former-penn-state-defensive-coach-jerry-sandusky-admitts-showering-horsing-around-with-little-boys-but-says-he-is-not-a-pedophile/

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The entire Jerry Sandusky scandal reveals betrayal after betrayal by adults who put their own selfish motivations above the well being of our children.

Janet

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/15/full-transcript-bob-costas-interviews-former-penn-state-football-coach-jerry-sandusky-on-child-sex-abuse-allegations/
11:50 am ET November 15, 2011
FULL TRANSCRIPT: Bob Costas Interviews Former Penn State Football Coach Jerry Sandusky on Child Sex Abuse Allegations
by Fox News Insider Posted in: Bob Costas, Child Sex Abuse Allegations, Jerry Sandusky, NBC, Penn State, Rock Center 

Jerry Sandusky to Bob Costas in exclusive 'Rock Center' interview: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids.'
Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:18 PM EST.

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I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," said Sandusky.

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Video:
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids

Crime victims rally, lawmakers push to strengthen abuse-reporting laws in wake of Penn State scandal
 
Many of the bills have been introduced in the last several legislative sessions, but have failed to get floor consideration in part because of  staunch opposition from the insurance industry and the Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, the state’s advocacy arm for the Roman Catholic Church.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/crime_victims_rally_lawmakers.html


   

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html
Penn State coach: Team won't decline bowl bid
November 15, 2011

CNN) -- Penn State's interim coach knocked down rumors Tuesday that the embattled football team would decline a bowl bid at season's end.

"We've been assured that's not the case for the bowl game," Tom Bradley told reporters at a news conference. He also said that the possibility of the team not playing next year hasn't come up.
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The national spectacle has outraged and embarrassed Penn State students and alumni. An alumni-led effort has raised $372,000 for abuse victims in less than a week, a Twitter message said Tuesday.

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School trustees fired university President Graham Spanier and Paterno last week on the heels of Sandusky's arrest, while McQueary was put on administrative leave.

On Monday, in an indication of the scandal's fallout spreading beyond Penn State, U.S. Navy spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Alana Garas said that the U.S. Navy secretary recommended that Spanier "be removed from the board of advisers to the presidents of the Naval Postgraduate School and Naval War College."

Also on Monday, the board of directors for Second Mile announced that its CEO had resigned. The board issued a statement saying it believes the departure of the CEO of 28 years, Jack Raykovitz, a licensed psychologist, "is in the best interests of the organization."

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2011/11/10/jerry_sandusky_profile_the_most_unfortunate_one_ever_written.html
The Most Unfortunate Jerry Sandusky Profile Ever Written
November 10, 2011

 :2thinky: :2thinky:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7238963/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-mike-mcqueary-says-stopped-assault-talked-cops-according-report
Report: Mike McQueary sought police
Updated November 15, 2011

Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary told a friend in an email that he stopped an alleged rape of a boy in 2002 by former Penn State assistant Jerry Sandusky and discussed it with police, The Morning Call of Allentown, Pa. reported.

In the email, obtained by The Morning Call, McQueary, a key witness in the case, said he "did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" after the alleged incident.

In the email, dated Nov. 8, McQueary said "I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," The Morning Call reported.

McQueary declined to be interviewed and a message for his lawyer was not returned, the newspaper reported. State College police did not return a call seeking comment, according to the report.

CBS News, on its official Twitter page, said McQeary was to speak publicly for the first time since the scandal broke on Tuesday night's telecast.
The former Penn State quarterback has faced immense criticism for not calling police, interrupting the alleged assault or, in the nine years since he was an eyewitness, demanded answers about why Sandusky was never charged.

Sandusky has been charged with molesting eight boys in 15 years, with some of the alleged abuse taking place at the Penn State football complex. He has said he is innocent and made his case in a national television interview on NBC on Monday night.

In the email, McQueary wrote he "is getting hammered for handling this the right way or what I thought at the time was right," The Morning Call reported.

McQueary testified in a grand jury investigation that eventually led to child sex-abuse charges being filed against Sandusky, the defensive coordinator at Penn State. The ensuing scandal brought down longtime coach Joe Paterno, who was fired by university trustees amid growing criticism that he should have done more to stop the alleged abuse. University president Graham Spanier was also dismissed.

McQueary testified that after witnessing the alleged assault, he left the building, called his father and the next day told Paterno what he saw.

McQueary, who was a graduate assistant at the time of the alleged assault, was placed on administrative leave on Friday, a day after the school said the receivers coach would not be present at the team's game against Nebraska, because he had received threats.

In another email reported by NBC News on Monday night, McQueary told friends that he did the right thing.

"I didn't just turn and run ... I made sure it stopped ... I had to make quick tough decisions," he said in the email, according to the report.

In an interview with ABC News, Sandusky attorney Joe Amendola explained why he let Sandusky go on national TV to discuss the allegations.

"I think it's important, regardless of what people's mindset, ... for people to hear Jerry Sandusky say 'I did not sexually assault kids. I love kids. They're my life. That's why I created the Second Mile.' And I think people need to hear that from him."

And, preliminary hearings for former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and former university vice president Gary Schultz were postponed after state prosecutors requested a delay.
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http://www.ajc.com/sports/mcqueary-email-i-stopped-1226629.html
McQueary email: I stopped Sandusky, went to police
November 15, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Mike McQueary told a friend from Penn State that he stopped an alleged assault by Jerry Sandusky on a 10-year-old boy in 2002 and went to the police about it.
In the email dated Nov. 8 from McQueary's Penn State account and made available to The Associated Press by his friend on Tuesday, the assistant coach writes that he stopped the sexual assault and discussed it with police afterward.

"I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right," he says. "I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."
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Video at link

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/11/15/bloomberg_articlesLUQ18M1A74E9.DTL
Penn State's Public Ties May Limit Liability, Moody's Says
November 15, 2011

Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Pennsylvania State University may have limited liability exposure to potential lawsuits stemming from the sex-abuse scandal that has engulfed the school, Moody's Investors Service said, citing the institution's state links.

The company is examining those relationships as well as revenue sources such as philanthropic support in a credit review, John Nelson, a Moody's analyst in New York, said today in a telephone interview. While the university in State College is a land-grant school and gets annual appropriations, it isn't part of the state's higher-education system and is immune from disclosure laws that apply to public records.

"Because this is an unprecedented development in many areas of liability risk, it may not be clear even to them what the situation is," Nelson said. "These are things that have to be decided by counsel and possibly the courts. It could just take a while to evolve."

Citing the scandal, Moody's put Penn State's Aa1 credit rating on review for a possible cut last week after Jerry Sandusky, the football team's former defensive coordinator, was charged with sexually assaulting boys as young as 10 at the school.  <snip>

Let me see.  Have I got this straight?

Mike McQueary observes a 10 year old boy being sodomized by Jerry Sandusky.  McQueary's presence implies that the assault ceases.  This 28 year old adult then departs from the scene and leaves the child with Sandusky.  Despicable!!

Janet

Janet, I'm just not sure any of us have anything straight at this juncture.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

What those who sexually abuse children and ... those who cover up for the absusers forget ... these children do not stay children and ... they have nightmares that forever etched into their memories.

I am thankful that in today's society adults who were sexually abused as children are empowered to speak out.

Janet

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/sandusky-proclaims-innocence-nbc-interview-14953575
Email, TV Talk Add New Twists to Penn State Case
November 15, 2011

A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an email he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police — contradicting what the report says.

Mike McQueary's comments, in an email made available to The Associated Press on Tuesday, appeared to add more confusion to a scandal that has enveloped the university and resulted in the firing of head coach Joe Paterno, the ousting of president Graham Spanier and charges of perjury against the athletic director and a senior vice president.

McQueary, now the football team's wide receivers coach, told a friend from Penn State that he made sure the 2002 shower assault he witnessed was stopped and went to the police about it. The friend made McQueary's email, written Nov. 8, available to the AP on Tuesday on the condition he not be identified.

McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday's 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me."
Added McQueary: "Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

According to the grand jury report, McQueary testified he spoke to his father and then to Paterno before speaking to athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz, who oversaw campus police. Paterno has not been charged with any crime, and state prosecutors have said he is not a target. Curley and Schultz are accused of breaking the law by not going to police but maintain their innocence.
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McQueary's remarks in the email to his friend came less than a day after former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky's admission that he showered with and "horsed around" with boys stunned legal observers. Sandusky's comments, they said, could be used by prosecutors trying to convict him of child sex abuse charges.

Experts in criminal law and crisis management questioned Sandusky's decision to give a TV interview in which he said that there was no abuse and that any activities in a campus shower with a boy were just horseplay, not molestation.

"Mr. Sandusky goes on worldwide television and admits he did everything the prosecution claims he did, except for the ultimate act of rape or sodomy? If I were a prosecutor, I'd be stunned," said Lynne Abraham, the former district attorney of Philadelphia. "I was stunned, and then I was revolted."

Abraham, who led a grand jury probe involving 63 accused priests from the Philadelphia archdiocese, was retained this week to lead an internal investigation of Sandusky's charity, The Second Mile, from which he's accused of culling his victims.
More...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/15/sanduskys-charity-tied-to-fundraiser-for-judge-who-set-bail-on-child-sex/

Sandusky's Charity Tied to Fundraiser for Judge Who Set Bail on Child Sex Charges

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/15/sanduskys-charity-tied-to-fundraiser-for-judge-who-set-bail-on-child-sex/#ixzz1dpe11zwh

Time for the judge to step down.

Paterno Turns Home Over to Wife for $1

Source: NY Times

Joe Paterno transferred full ownership of his house to his wife, Sue, for $1 in July, less than four months before a sexual abuse scandal engulfed his Penn State football program and the university.

Documents filed in Centre County, Pa., show that on July 21, Paterno’s house near campus was turned over to “Suzanne P. Paterno, trustee” for a dollar plus “love and affection.” The couple had previously held joint ownership of the house, which they bought in 1969 for $58,000.

According to documents filed with the county, the house’s fair-market value was listed at $594,484.40. Wick Sollers, a lawyer for Paterno, said in an e-mail that the Paternos had been engaged in a “multiyear estate planning program,” and the transfer “was simply one element of that plan.” He said it had nothing to do with the scandal.

Paterno, who was fired as the football coach at the university last week, has been judged harshly by many for failing to take more aggressive action when he learned of a suspected sexual assault of a child by one of his former top assistants.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/i...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/?hpt=hp_bn2
Lawyers for Penn State officials blast move to delay hearing
November 15, 2011

CNN) -- Lawyers for two Penn State University officials charged with failing to report sexual abuse claims against a former football coach blasted prosecutors Tuesday for trying to delay an upcoming hearing, saying their clients deserve a speedy trial.

Pennsylvania's attorney general's office filed court papers Tuesday saying it was "not available to proceed" with a preliminary hearing for Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the senior vice president for finance and business. The hearing had been set for Thursday.

The attorney general's office proposed several dates in early December as an alternative, but offered no further explanation for the requested delay.

But Curley and Schultz "are anxious to face their accusers, clear their good names and go on with their lives," their attorneys said in a joint written statement.

"Our clients have a right to a speedy trial. By law, they have a right to have a preliminary hearing by Thursday, November 17. We are ready to go," they said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/15/state-investigating-sanduskys-charity-as-founder-faces-child-sex-abuse-charges/
State Investigating Ex-Penn State Coach Sandusky's Charity Amid Child Sex Abuse Case
November 15, 2011

The Second Mile charity founded by Jerry Sandusky is under investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general's office as part of a probe into what the group's officers may have known about the former Penn State coach's alleged sexual abuse of young boys, officials tell FoxNews.com.

Sources said among the investigation's aims are to determine when Second Mile officials became aware of Sandusky's alleged behavior; whether charity funds were used to lavish gifts on the boys involved, and if the alleged sexual abuse occurred at Second Mile locations across the state.
The probe into the charity was described as a second prong of the larger investigation into the allegations against Sandusky, Nicholas Winkler, spokesman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, said.

"The AG is now running point on this, the Second Mile investigation," Winkler said.
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Winkler said the State Department and the attorney general have shared jurisdiction over the investigation of the embattled charity, but the attorney general took over the case "fairly recently."

The Department of State's Bureau of Charitable Organizations director, Michael Patterson, also confirmed to FoxNews.com that Second Mile was under investigation.

Both officials said the attorney general's office had requested and received all available records relating to the charity's financial filings and other incorporation documents, all of which include the names of the charity's state-wide board of directors and other employees.

They said everything in the documents would be scrutinized, including grant recipients like the University of Pittsburgh, which received $15,000 grant "children" services from the Second Mile in 2009. Camps and activities were held at Penn State satellite campuses all around the state, according to the documents.

The investigation also will look at whether Sandusky misappropriated charitable funds -- checking, for example, if he purchased gifts for boys he is accused of molesting.
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The longtime head of Second Mile, Jack Raykovitz, resigned on Sunday, the latest casualty in the ongoing fallout of the Sandusky case. But Raykovitz's wife, Katherine Genovese -- the second-highest-paid Second Mile employee -- remains in her position at the charity's State College, Pa., office.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html
Paterno Turns Home Over to His Wife for $1
November 15, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno transferred full ownership of his house to his wife, Sue, for $1 in July, less than four months before a sexual abuse scandal engulfed his Penn State football program and the university.
Documents filed in Centre County, Pa., show that on July 21, Paterno’s house near campus was turned over to “Suzanne P. Paterno, trustee” for a dollar plus “love and affection.” The couple had previously held joint ownership of the house, which they bought in 1969 for $58,000.

According to documents filed with the county, the house’s fair-market value was listed at $594,484.40. Wick Sollers, a lawyer for Paterno, said in an e-mail that the Paternos had been engaged in a “multiyear estate planning program,” and the transfer “was simply one element of that plan.” He said it had nothing to do with the scandal.

Paterno, who was fired as the football coach at the university last week, has been judged harshly by many for failing to take more aggressive action when he learned of a suspected sexual assault of a child by one of his former top assistants.

Some legal experts, in trying to gauge the legal exposure of the university and its top officials to lawsuits brought by suspected victims of the assistant, Jerry Sandusky, have theorized that Paterno could be a target of civil actions. On Nov. 5, Sandusky, Penn State’s former defensive coordinator, was charged with 40 counts related to the reported sexual abuse of eight boys over 15 years. Paterno, 84, was among those called to give testimony before a grand jury during the investigation, which began in 2009.

Experts in estate planning and tax law, in interviews, cautioned that it would be hard to determine the Paternos’ motivation simply from the available documents. It appears the family house had been the subject of years of complex and confusing transactions.

Lawrence A. Frolik, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who specializes in elder law, said that he had “never heard” of a husband selling his share of a house for $1 to his spouse for tax or government assistance purposes.

“I can’t see any tax advantages,” Frolik said. “If someone told me that, my reaction would be, ‘Are they hoping to shield assets in case if there’s personal liability?’ ” He added, “It sounds like an attempt to avoid personal liability in having assets in his wife’s name.”

Two lawyers examined the available documents in recent days. Neither wanted to be identified because they were not directly involved in the case or the property transaction. One of the experts said it appeared to be an explicit effort to financially shield Joe Paterno. The other regarded the July transaction, at least on its face, as benign.

Last Wednesday, the university’s board of trustees fired Paterno and Graham B. Spanier, the university’s president.
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Joe Amendola-led media blitz shaky defense for Jerry Sandusky in Penn State child sex abuse case

Small-time lawyer Amendola making his own strange news

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Originally Published: Tuesday, November 15 2011, 11:20 PM
Updated: Wednesday, November 16 2011, 3:45 AM
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Lawyer Joe Amendola appears with Bob Costas on NBC and doesn't seem to do his client, Jerry Sandusky,
any favors by having him speak about the child sex abuse allegations.


We talk about the presumption of innocence in this country, and the law says that it is supposed to apply even to Jerry Sandusky. The law says it applies to Sandusky even after Joe Paterno has already said he should have done more about Sandusky, and after Mike McQueary tells the grand jury what he saw once in a Penn State shower room, Sandusky with a 10-year-old boy pressed up against a shower room wall.

Joe Amendola, the lawyer who represents Sandusky around trying to make himself famous, talks and talks about how his client deserves that presumption of innocence, even after Amendola - in a creepy, lounge lizard way - sends Sandusky out to look guiltier than ever during that interview with Bob Costas on “Rock Center” Monday night.

At that moment, the unspeakable out of Penn State turns stupid, because of a small-time lawyer.

Here was Tom Harvey, the New York City criminal and civil rights attorney who has been in this paper for more than a week making so much sense out of his own outrage about this Penn State story, talking Tuesday about Amendola:

“He seems more focused on getting himself on as many national news shows as he can, rather than protecting his client. This is rather ironic, since the only person in the United States legally obligated to vigilantly defend Sandusky has taken it upon himself to encourage his client to waive the most basic constitutional right every criminal defendant in the country has, which means the right to remain silent. Instead, this guy Amendola has practically begged his client to talk.”

In the morning Tuesday, I was talking to Bob Costas, and he told the story of getting the telephone interview with Sandusky Monday night. He, Costas, had reached out to this Amendola the week before, set up an interview with him. Amendola showed up at NBC Monday night and about 15 minutes before that interview was to begin, he said to Costas, “How about I put you on the telephone with Jerry?”

He gave up his own client in that moment, not that anybody cares about that happening to Jerry Sandusky.

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/joe-amendola-led-media-blitz-shaky-defense-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-child-sex-abuse-case-article-1.978218#ixzz1driXTL00

Here is the Jerry Sandusky grand jury report! WARNING! This court document contains graphic descriptions!


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/documents/sandusky-grand-jury-report11052011.html

Sorry somehow this got posted in the wrong place. I posted it under sports if you'd like to delete this one. Thank you.

Thank you MuffyBee!  ::MonkeyWink::

_icey_  There were actually three different places I considered before I started the thread about the charges brought against Jerry Sandusky, which included "Sports", "News of the Day" and "Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled".  I chose the latter, even though any of the three could have applied, because to me, what Jerry Sandusky has done isn't so much about sports or big news, it's Crimes against Children. It's not a sex scandal, it's not about Penn State Football as much as  it's about child rape.  JMHO  That Jerry Sandusky used the Penn State Football program and their facilities along with The Second Mile makes it all the more terrible.   The grand jury report speaks volumes.  And I agree, there are "graphic descriptions".  And I personally think this is just the tip of the iceberg.  Thank you again for bringing the link to the report. 

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/15/ex-psu-grad-assistant-matt-paknis-on-wfan-paterno-knows-everything/
Ex-PSU Grad Assistant Matt Paknis On WFAN: Paterno Knows Everything
November 15, 2011

NEW YORK (WFAN) - A former child-abuse victim himself, former football grad assistant Matt Paknis believes Joe Paterno knew about Jerry Sandusky’s alleged sexual abuse against children years ago.

Paknis joined WFAN’s Mike Francesa on Tuesday to talk about his time at Penn State.
aknis was a graduate assistant on the Nittany Lions football staff in 1987 and 1988. He says Sandusky exhibited questionable behavior towards the players back then.

As a childhood victim of sexual abuse, he said he remembered thinking how inappropriate it was when he saw Sandusky tickle and pinch little boys during football camps, sometimes putting them in headlocks.

“I thought it was a boundary issue, more than anything else,” Paknis said.
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When asked about the possibility that Paterno could not be aware of reports on Sandusky’s behavior Paknis said it was “impossible.”

“Joe knows everything,” he said.

Paknis also said that he could envision a scenario where Paterno attempted to cover up Sandusky’s actions.

"Joe knows everything" is exactly what I now believe.  No successful sports program is run by a man in the dark.  He knew the men he had on staff.  JoePa has been in power at Penn State for a long time and he didn't do it by dumb luck. 

Hmmm....Sarah Palin says we should hang Jerry Sandusky from the highest tree and she'll bring the rope.

I like her thinking!

Just dandy.  If Judge Dutchot had recused herself as she should have, some of what's mentioned in the article below might not even be an issue.  He's thinking about taking a trip before the next legal proceeding to "clear his head"!!??  No travel restrictions.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-usa-crime-coach-campus-idUSTRE7AF1WZ20111116
Penn State powerless to keep Sandusky off campus
November 16, 2011

(Reuters) - Penn State says alleged child sex abuser Jerry Sandusky is "not welcome" on its campus, but the university so far has no legal recourse to keep the former assistant football coach away.

In her bail ruling, Judge Leslie Dutchot ordered the former defensive coordinator not to have any contact with minors, witnesses or alleged victims.

The ruling placed no restrictions on his travel. Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, advised Sandusky and his wife to take a trip ahead of the next legal proceeding to clear his head, he told CNN.

In effect, Sandusky is free to return to the Penn State campus, something school officials are powerless to stop.

"Our legal counsel informed Jerry Sandusky that he is not welcome on our campus," Penn State spokeswoman AnneMarie Mountz said in an e-mail to Reuters on Wednesday.

Requests for information on a possible restraining order against Sandusky, or what officials would do if he tried to return to campus, were not immediately answered.

Nor was it clear if prosecutors would seek to alter Sandusky's bail conditions. Calls to the Pennsylvania attorney general's office were not immediately returned.
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McQueary needs to get his story straight;
Mike McQueary's statement to police doesn't say he stopped attack or notified police about Sandusky allegations
 
" Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary never mentioned that he talked to police in 2002 after witnessing an alleged sexual assault by Jerry Sandusky of a young boy, according to a hand-written statement McQueary gave to police during the recent grand jury investigation."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mcquearys_statement_in_line_wi.html

State Investigating Ex-Penn State Coach Sandusky's Charity Amid Child Sex Abuse Case
By Jana Winter
Published November 15, 2011

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/15/state-investigating-sanduskys-charity-as-founder-faces-child-sex-abuse-charges/?test=latestnews



EXCLUSIVE: Charity's Donors Kept in Dark About Penn State Sex Abuse Investigation
By Mike Jaccarino
Published November 16, 2011

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/exclusive-charitys-donors-kept-in-dark-about-penn-state-sex-abuse-investigation/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/lawyer-says-client-will-testify-to-severe-sexual-assault-in-sandusky-case.html
Lawyer Says Alleged Sandusky Victim Will Testify to Severe Sexual Assault
November 16, 2011

Ben Andreozzi, a Pennsylvania lawyer representing one of eight alleged victims in the Penn State sexual child abuse case, called Jerry Sandusky a “coward” on Wednesday and said that Sandusky’s recent comments on television had emboldened his client to pursue sexual assault charges against Sandusky.
“Mr. Sandusky suggested in some of his comments about the victims that maybe people were backing off,” Andreozzi said in a telephone interview from his office in Harrisburg, Pa. “My client heard that and has dug in his heels. He is feeling more comfortable about going through with this. The comments maybe backfired. They have caused victims to be more motivated to testify against him.”

Andreozzi said his client, now in his 20s, met Sandusky through Sandusky’s charity, the Second Mile. He said he had been around Sandusky for several years and was assaulted multiple times. Andreozzi has also advised other alleged victims in the case and said he was meeting with another potential victim this week.
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Andreozzi, who also issued a statement Wednesday, said his client would testify that he was “severely sexually assaulted” by Sandusky.



“I am appalled by the fact that Mr. Sandusky has elected to revictimize these young men at a time when they should be healing,” Andreozzi said. “He’s being a coward by refusing to admit to his culpability. Sexual assault victims can begin the healing process if there’s an acknowledgement of fault. Mr. Sandusky could assist in that process and instead he is putting these young men through it again.”

Andreozzi said he talked with his client after he had listened to Sandusky’s televised telephone interview.

“He was absolutely more ready to follow through with this afterward,” Andreozzi said. “He wants him to know he fully intends to testify he was severely sexually assaulted by Mr. Sandusky.”

Andreozzi added: “I have my finger on the pulse of this case. I don’t know of any existing assault victims changing their story or refusing to testify. To the contrary, others are actually coming forward.”

Andreozzi, whose practice has specialized in child sexual abuse cases, also said he was upset that Penn State had not reached out to any of the victims.

“They could have a victim-centric approach to this but it appears they have been in a face-saving mode,” Andreozzi said. “They could be proactive and offer to pay for counseling and let the victims participate in the rebuilding of the school. They could help to adopt policies and procedures that will prevent sexual assaults on the campus.

“This is a situation that is only going to grow. When I represent a sexual abuse victim, we start with one or maybe two clients but as the ball gets rolling forward, more victims almost always come forward.”

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-timeline/index.html
A timeline of the Penn State child sex abuse scandal
November 16, 2011

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45321304/ns/today-today_news/t/state-college-police-mcqueary-didnt-report-abuse-us/
State College police: McQueary didn't report abuse to us
Then-Penn State graduate assistant told friend in email he discussed alleged 2002 child sex assault by Jerry Sandusky with police
November 16, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — The State College police chief said Wednesday that former Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary never reported allegations of child sex abuse against Jerry Sandusky to the department.
"Absolutely not," State College Police Chief Tom King told NBC News when asked if McQueary had ever come to them with allegations concerning Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator for the Penn State football team.

"We don't have any records of him coming to us," King said.

McQueary, now an assistant football coach, wrote in a Nov. 8 email to a friend that he stopped an alleged sexual assault by Sandusky on a 10-year-old boy in 2002 and discussed it with police afterward.

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me," he wrote.

The contents of the email were reported Tuesday by The Patriot-News, The Associated Press and other media outlets.

Pennsylvania State Police would not comment on whether McQueary spoke with them after the 2002 incident, citing an ongoing investigation.

McQueary's statements in the email appear to be at odds with a grand jury report that states that he saw Sandusky sexually assault a young boy in a shower at Penn State but never told law enforcement.

The summary of the testimony to jurors says McQueary witnessed the act, then left the locker room to call his father. He talked to head football coach Joe Paterno the next morning, and 10 days later told former athletic director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz, who oversaw campus police, the indictment against Sandusky said.
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The New York Times reported earlier this week that close to 10 additional suspected victims have come forward to the authorities since the arrest of Sandusky on Nov. 5.

Maria Finn, spokeswoman for Pennsylvania State Police, told NBC on Wednesday that the numbers reported by the Times and others "are wrong." She did not elaborate.

Finn said phone calls continue to come in to a police tip line.

Meanwhile, an Associated Press analysis of state public pension records shows Paterno's long service at the university theoretically puts him in line for a pension of more than $500,000 a year.

Paterno's pension records obtained Tuesday from the State Employees' Retirement System credit him with more than 60 years in the system. The formula used to determine benefits makes him eligible for a pension equal to 100 percent of the average of his three highest-salary years.

His pay rose from $541,000 to $568,000 over the past three full calendar years.
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The retirement system also confirmed Tuesday that Sandusky collects a $59,000 annual pension and withdrew $148,000 upon retirement.
Video at link.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/11/16/bloomberg_articlesLURRO007SXKX.DTL
Penn State Girl Out of Love With Paterno: Margaret Carlson
November 16, 2011

According to Breaking News on CNN ... Wolf Blitzer announced that District Judge Leslie Dutchcot will be replaced.  Dutchcot's ties with the Second Mile foundation was cited as the reason.

Janet

Thank you for the update Janet.  I wonder who decided to take that action?  Judge Dutchcot should have recused herself in the first place, but since she didn't, it's good to see she wasn't allowed to continue in that capacity.  I was rather shocked (but not surprised) to learn he doesn't have travel restrictions, per Judge Dutchcot's bail ruling:  "The ruling placed no restrictions on his travel. Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, advised Sandusky and his wife to take a trip ahead of the next legal proceeding to clear his head, he told CNN."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-usa-crime-coach-campus-idUSTRE7AF1WZ20111116

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jerry-sandusky-interview-bob-costas-jon-stewart-penn-state-262024
Jon Stewart Slams Jerry Sandusky for Bob Costas Interview: 'You Can't Even Bring Yourself to Lie Emphatically' (Video)
The "Daily Show" host criticizes the former Penn State football coach for choosing to "literally phone in your defense on national television." November 15, 2011

Jon Stewart had some harsh words for former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky on the heels of the latter's interview with Bob Costas.
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http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/New-judge-assigned-in-Penn-St-sex-abuse-case-2271520.php
New judge assigned in Penn St. sex-abuse case
November 16, 2011

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — A new judge was assigned to handle Jerry Sandusky's child sex-abuse charges on Wednesday as a lawyer for a boy who accuses the former Penn State assistant football coach of abuse took aim at his televised defense.
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The Administrative Office of Pennsylvania Courts announced Wednesday that it was bringing in a Westmoreland County senior district judge to preside over Sandusky's preliminary hearing. Robert E. Scott is taking over the hearing from Centre County District Judge Leslie Dutchcot.

Dutchcot has donated money to The Second Mile, a charity established by Sandusky for at-risk children and the place where authorities say he met his victims.

The office said Scott has no known ties to Penn State or The Second Mile. The hearing is scheduled for Dec. 7.

Some plaintiffs' lawyers are starting to advertise on their websites for potential Sandusky victims, vowing to get justice.

Jeff Anderson, a St. Paul, Minn., attorney, has long represented clergy-abuse victims and told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he has been retained by several people he described as Sandusky victims.

"There's a great deal of fury and confusion," particularly because Sandusky is free on bail, Anderson said. "Getting (them) help and cooperating with law enforcement is our first priority."

The "time for reckoning," in the form of civil suits, will come later, Anderson said.

Anderson declined to say whether his clients are among the eight boys who were labeled as victims in the grand jury report.

Likewise, Berks County lawyer Jay Abramowitch, who has represented about 150 child-sex victims, many of them in clergy-abuse cases, said he is following the Penn State case closely. He declined to say if he was representing anyone accusing Sandusky of abuse.
"The real significance of what happened in the Sandusky situation is that people are beginning to understand the cover-up that goes on in any structural organization that employs a pedophile. And that's why these pedophiles are running wild," he said.

"What's the answer? One of the answers is to allow these victims the right to go to court and file suit against not only the pedophile, but the group that employed them ... and didn't do anything," Abramowitch said.

Abramowitch long fought to have the state extend the time limit for victims to file civil suits, a change made only after a 2005 grand jury report described years of abuse within the Philadelphia archdiocese.

In State College, Penn State announced a physician and member of its board of trustees who played football and wrestled for the school would serve as acting athletic director. The school named Dr. David M. Joyner, an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in sports medicine and a business consultant, as the interim replacement for Tim Curley.Curley is on leave as athletic director as he defends himself against criminal charges that he failed to properly alert authorities when told of an alleged sexual assault by Sandusky against a child, and that he lied to a grand jury.

Joyner's position on the board, where he has been a trustee since 2000, is being suspended as he takes on the new duties.

Also Wednesday, a central Pennsylvania police chief said his department did not receive reports from a then-Penn State graduate assistant who said he saw Sandusky raping a boy on campus in 2002.

The assistant, Mike McQueary, wrote in an email to a friend that was made available to The Associated Press that he had discussions with police about what he saw. In the email, McQueary did not specify which police department he spoke to.

State College borough police chief Tom King said McQueary didn't make a report to his department.

The university also has its own police force. Penn State administrators said they were looking into whether McQueary contacted campus police.

Meanwhile, U.S. Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., introduced a bill that would require all adults to report child abuse and neglect to police or local child protective agencies.

And new details were emerging about how the case ended up in the hands of the state attorney general's office.

Former Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira told The Associated Press that his wife's brother — who he declined to name — was Sandusky's adopted son.

"I reviewed it and I made the decision it needed to be investigated further," Madeira said. "But the apparent conflict of interest created an impediment for me to make those kinds of decisions."

The scandal's fallout extended to former Pittsburgh Steelers great Franco Harris, whose relationship with a southwestern Pennsylvania racetrack and casino was put on hiatus after he chastised Penn State's trustees for showing "no courage" for firing Paterno, who has not been charged with a crime and is not considered a target of prosecutors.

Harris, who played for Paterno from 1968 to 1971, had recently signed on to be a spokesman for The Meadows Racetrack and Casino, located in Washington, Pa., about 30 minutes south of Pittsburgh. The track said it was a mutual decision.

MuffyBee

If convicted on these charges Jerry Sandusky faces the rest of his life in prison.  Logic dictates that he is a flight risk.  He has the connections and financially means.

I hope Sandusky is hauled back into court allowing the replacement judge to reconsider the prosecutor's request.

I believe that the investigation encompassing all aspects of this scandal should be handled by the FBI.  There are too many University and Second Miles conflicts of interest in this jurisdiction that imply accountability and justice will remain elusive.

IMO

Janet

ITA Janet.

Respectfully, I disagree.  Somehow the matter would end up with DOJ.  The innocent would be prosecuted; the guilty would go free; and Mexican drug dealers would be furnished with "fast and furious" guns to shoot the townspeople.

However, the FBI should handle crossing state lines with a minor if they can prove sexual activities during the 1999 Alamo Bowl.  Texas is on the case.  Maybe they will be successful.

It's disgusting that Sandusky is free to move around while the victims are terrified to move.  Hope the new Judge is a good one.

It doesn't make sense.

If it has been determined that Dutchcot ruled the conditions of Sandusky's release while possessing a conflict ... why does her ruling still stand?  Without electronic monitoring .... Sandusky still remains a risk to children.  Without the confiscating of his passport ... Sandusky still remains a flight risk.

Janet

++++++

New judge assigned in Penn St. sex-abuse case
Updated 02:08 p.m., Wednesday, November 16, 2011

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The Administrative Office of Pennsylvania Courts announced Wednesday that it was bringing in a Westmoreland County senior district judge to preside over Sandusky's preliminary hearing. Robert E. Scott is taking over the hearing from Centre County District Judge Leslie Dutchcot.

Dutchcot has donated money to The Second Mile, a charity established by Sandusky for at-risk children and the place where authorities say he met his victims.

The office said Scott has no known ties to Penn State or The Second Mile. The hearing is scheduled for Dec. 7.

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http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/New-judge-assigned-in-Penn-St-sex-abuse-case-2271520.php


DR. DREW
Aired November 15, 2011 - 21:00   ET

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TRENT COPELAND, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: .... This is molestation of multiple children, and the fact that this judge let this guy walk out of the courtroom without posting anything, without taking his passport, without shackling his leg, without putting electronic monitor on that leg is outrageous.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/15/ddhln.01.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/11/16/bloomberg_articlesLURXB21A74E9.DTL
Penn State May Seek Immunity After Skirting Public Laws
November 16, 2011

 ::MonkeyShocked::

This story appears in the Nov. 21, 2011 issue of Sports Illustrated. Buy the digital version of the magazine at https://subscription.si.com/storefront/site/si-everywhere/login.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/11/16/penn.st/index.html
Special Report: Scandal. Shame. A search for answers at Penn State.
November 16, 2011
By L. Jon Wertheim and David Epstein

Story Highlights
Special report provides inside look at worst scandal in history of college sports
After Jerry Sandusky was charged with sexual abuse there were cries of cover-up
Joe Paterno, Penn State president lost jobs; more abuse victims still emerging

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-11-16/sexual-abuse/51245418/1
Lawyer calls on Penn State to 'free victims' souls'
November 16, 2011

As the Penn State abuse scandal blares in the news, hundreds of people around the country who were sexually abused as children will watch in legally imposed silence, says a Boston attorney and expert on such cases.
Each is sworn to confidentiality agreements that bind them to secrecy, says Mitchell Garabedian, the lawyer whose 2002 case blew open the Catholic Church abuse scandal worldwide.

Garabedian, who has represented 1,000 victims of clerical sexual abuse, says Penn State officials need to say publicly whether they have ever required victims to sign such agreements as a condition of settlements in sexual abuse cases.
All institutions, private and public, will try to persuade victims to sign confidentiality agreements that swear everyone — victims, perpetrators and enablers — to silence," he says. "Victims will often agree to silence because it's too painful for them to think about it or humiliating for them to be known publicly."

He called on Penn State officials to step up and "free victims' souls," as the Catholic Church did by releasing victims from silence.

In 2003, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops announced that thousands of confidential settlement agreements signed by dioceses across the country for decades were no longer to be enforced.

Carmen Durso, also a Boston-based attorney who handled hundreds of abuse cases, says victims almost always sign such agreements.

"Frequently, the institution will insist on confidentiality or the victim will have to go to court to get resolution," Durso says. "In my experience, 99% do not want to go public. It's a rare 1% who are able to speak out."

The National Crime Victims' Bar Association in general opposes confidentiality agreements, Executive Director Jeff Dion says. "The client is in control of whether to consent to it," he says.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/what-the-catholic-church-can-teach-us-about-the-penn-state-scandal/248588/?google_editors_picks=true
What the Catholic Church Can Teach Us About the Penn State Scandal
November 16, 2011

A conversation with Jason Berry, an investigative reporter who's written extensively about child molestation charges against the church

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2011/11/16/pa_gov_puts_3m_sandusky_charity_grant_on_hold/
Pa. gov puts $3M Sandusky charity grant on hold
November 16, 2011

Mike McQueary attended Jerry Sandusky fundraiser one year after making sexual assault allegations
 
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mcqueary_attended_sandusky_fun.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-16/franco-harris-splits-with-casino-after-supporting-penn-state-s-joe-paterno.html
Franco Harris Splits With Casino After Supporting Penn State’s Joe Paterno
November 16, 2011

Hall-of-Fame running back Franco Harris is no longer working for a Pennsylvania racetrack and casino after expressing his support for fired Penn State University coach Joe Paterno.

Harris, who played for Paterno from 1969-71 before a 13- year career in the National Football League, visited his former coach at his home on Nov. 13, four days after Paterno was fired amid a child sex-abuse scandal involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

Harris, 61, told reporters that the school’s board made a poor decision in removing Paterno and that “they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time,” according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
The Meadows, about 160 miles from of State College-based Penn State and near Pittsburgh, released a statement last night saying that it was parting ways with Harris.

“In light of the recent developments with Franco Harris regarding Joe Paterno’s dismissal, Franco and The Meadows have mutually decided to put their business relationship on hold at this time, while these matters are looked into further,” according to the statement.

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Harris and former Steelers teammate Rocky Bleier were hired by the Meadows in October to assist with various outreach activities, charitable events and public appearances, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
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Inquiry Grew Into Concerns of a Cover-Up 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

Good article.

Thanks, MuffyBee.


(bold by me)

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

slogger, the sentence you bolded is also what caught my eye in the article. 

http://verdict.justia.com/2011/11/17/the-universal-need-for-the-mandatory-reporting-of-child-sexual-abuse
The Universal Need for the Mandatory Reporting of Child Sexual Abuse
November 17, 2011

Or lost on Ray Gricar's destroyed harddrive?
Edit-fixed quotes.  MB