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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09 (Read 193007 times)
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klaasend
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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January 17, 2009, 12:14:11 AM »
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: San on January 16, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: casa on January 16, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
I have a question for everyone to ponder. We all know how Beth, Dave, Jug and others in the family were very vocal when Natalee went missing. Very much into searching for her and ready to expose what they went through in Aruba and the mess that was going on. Here is the question. Do you think that if there was any chance that Natalee was in that trap that the family would be so quiet? We have heard nothing from the family.
I personally think that in all this turmoil about the crab trap I would take my cues from the family. They do know more than us and yes they do know more than Kermit.
Is this going to start another Kermit debate. The family knows more than HotShot, CAPS, and others who are working behind the scenes to discredit Kermit.
I have no desire to start another Kermit debate. I agree that the family knows more than Hotshot, CAPS and others. I also believe that the family knows more than Kermit. I was stating my opinion and I do realize that it may not be the same as those remaining on the Natalee thread but I thought we were all still entitled to our opinion.
Everyone is entitiled to their own opinions. The only problem is your opinion is that we shouldn't be discussing the possibility of wrong doing by Kyle or the Persiistence crew. So your opinion is that our opinion is wrong and shouldn't be considered.
What should we discuss? Should be discuss the weather in Aruba, Alabama, Arkansas or Mississippi? Just curious what your suggestion might be?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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San, I am not defending Kyle. I think he ran his mouth when he should not have. Keepthefaith, they are from Lafayette, LA.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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January 17, 2009, 12:15:28 AM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2009, 12:10:44 AM
Where's the Persistence from?
Louisiana I believe
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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January 17, 2009, 12:15:39 AM »
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: San on January 16, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: casa on January 16, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
I have a question for everyone to ponder. We all know how Beth, Dave, Jug and others in the family were very vocal when Natalee went missing. Very much into searching for her and ready to expose what they went through in Aruba and the mess that was going on. Here is the question. Do you think that if there was any chance that Natalee was in that trap that the family would be so quiet? We have heard nothing from the family.
I personally think that in all this turmoil about the crab trap I would take my cues from the family. They do know more than us and yes they do know more than Kermit.
Is this going to start another Kermit debate. The family knows more than HotShot, CAPS, and others who are working behind the scenes to discredit Kermit.
I have no desire to start another Kermit debate. I agree that the family knows more than Hotshot, CAPS and others. I also believe that the family knows more than Kermit. I was stating my opinion and I do realize that it may not be the same as those remaining on the Natalee thread but I thought we were all still entitled to our opinion.
Kermit does not claim to know anything
. Kermit is exposing posts with Beth Holloway's permission which were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds by Kyle Kingman ... post that reveal the happenings encompassing on board the Persistence undertaking.
Either you believe Kyle Kingman's words or you do not .... Kyle Kingman who held a professional position aboard the Persistence throughout the undertaking.
Janet
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Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area
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Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick
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Oil & Energy
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Kyle Kingman’s Summary
Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464
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San
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: San on January 16, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: casa on January 16, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
I have a question for everyone to ponder. We all know how Beth, Dave, Jug and others in the family were very vocal when Natalee went missing. Very much into searching for her and ready to expose what they went through in Aruba and the mess that was going on. Here is the question. Do you think that if there was any chance that Natalee was in that trap that the family would be so quiet? We have heard nothing from the family.
I personally think that in all this turmoil about the crab trap I would take my cues from the family.
They do know more than us and yes they do know more than Kermit
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Is this going to start another Kermit debate. The family knows more than HotShot, CAPS, and others who are working behind the scenes to discredit Kermit.
I have no desire to start another Kermit debate. I agree that the family knows more than Hotshot, CAPS and others. I also believe that the family knows more than Kermit. I was stating my opinion and I do realize that it may not be the same as those remaining on the Natalee thread but I thought we were all still entitled to our opinion.
This is fine but when making a post like you just did you singled out Kermit. We have had a few weeks of people coming on and trying to bash Kermit.
I will stand by an American trying to find Justice for Natalee before I ever stand with an Aruban.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:14:25 AM
San, I am not defending Kyle.
I think he ran his mouth when he should not have.
Keepthefaith, they are from Lafayette, LA.
I ... for one ... am thankful the Kyle "ran his mouth". The truth encompassing the deception of the Persistence undertaking was exposed.
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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January 17, 2009, 12:18:31 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 17, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: San on January 16, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: casa on January 16, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
I have a question for everyone to ponder. We all know how Beth, Dave, Jug and others in the family were very vocal when Natalee went missing. Very much into searching for her and ready to expose what they went through in Aruba and the mess that was going on. Here is the question. Do you think that if there was any chance that Natalee was in that trap that the family would be so quiet? We have heard nothing from the family.
I personally think that in all this turmoil about the crab trap I would take my cues from the family. They do know more than us and yes they do know more than Kermit.
Is this going to start another Kermit debate. The family knows more than HotShot, CAPS, and others who are working behind the scenes to discredit Kermit.
I have no desire to start another Kermit debate. I agree that the family knows more than Hotshot, CAPS and others. I also believe that the family knows more than Kermit. I was stating my opinion and I do realize that it may not be the same as those remaining on the Natalee thread but I thought we were all still entitled to our opinion.
Everyone is entitiled to their own opinions. The only problem is your opinion is that we shouldn't be discussing the possibility of wrong doing by Kyle or the Persiistence crew. So your opinion is that our opinion is wrong and shouldn't be considered.
What should we discuss? Should be discuss the weather in Aruba, Alabama, Arkansas or Mississippi? Just curious what your suggestion might be?
Apparently you read more into what I said than was there. I did not say we should not be discussing Kyle, etc. I did not say your opinion was wrong but apparently mine is. Please don't look for things in my posts that are not there. That is why I have abstained from posting because I knew my anything I said would be twisted. I say lets hear something from the family before we hang people!
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San
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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January 17, 2009, 12:22:36 AM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2009, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:14:25 AM
San, I am not defending Kyle.
I think he ran his mouth when he should not have.
Keepthefaith, they are from Lafayette, LA.
I ... for one ... am thankful the Kyle "ran his mouth". The truth encompassing the deception of the Persistence undertaking was exposed.
Janet
Yes like I always say keep talking.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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January 17, 2009, 12:22:45 AM »
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:18:31 AM
Quote from: klaasend on January 17, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: San on January 16, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: casa on January 16, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
I have a question for everyone to ponder. We all know how Beth, Dave, Jug and others in the family were very vocal when Natalee went missing. Very much into searching for her and ready to expose what they went through in Aruba and the mess that was going on. Here is the question. Do you think that if there was any chance that Natalee was in that trap that the family would be so quiet? We have heard nothing from the family.
I personally think that in all this turmoil about the crab trap I would take my cues from the family. They do know more than us and yes they do know more than Kermit.
Is this going to start another Kermit debate. The family knows more than HotShot, CAPS, and others who are working behind the scenes to discredit Kermit.
I have no desire to start another Kermit debate. I agree that the family knows more than Hotshot, CAPS and others. I also believe that the family knows more than Kermit. I was stating my opinion and I do realize that it may not be the same as those remaining on the Natalee thread but I thought we were all still entitled to our opinion.
Everyone is entitiled to their own opinions. The only problem is your opinion is that we shouldn't be discussing the possibility of wrong doing by Kyle or the Persiistence crew. So your opinion is that our opinion is wrong and shouldn't be considered.
What should we discuss? Should be discuss the weather in Aruba, Alabama, Arkansas or Mississippi? Just curious what your suggestion might be?
Apparently you read more into what I said than was there. I did not say we should not be discussing Kyle, etc. I did not say your opinion was wrong but apparently mine is. Please don't look for things in my posts that are not there. That is why I have abstained from posting because I knew my anything I said would be twisted. I say lets hear something from the family before we hang people!
They are "hanging" themselves.
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Keepthefaith
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: San on January 17, 2009, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2009, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:14:25 AM
San, I am not defending Kyle.
I think he ran his mouth when he should not have.
Keepthefaith, they are from Lafayette, LA.
I ... for one ... am thankful the Kyle "ran his mouth". The truth encompassing the deception of the Persistence undertaking was exposed.
Janet
Yes like I always say keep talking.
Yes indeed!I think the continued discussion about the Persistence is very good.The more Monkey's talk,the more Monkey's want to come out and talk.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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My main problem with Kyle is that I think he enjoyed the attention he got from posting on the forums. I think he was willing to post whatever made him seem important. That is why I have a problem with what he posted. I'm not so sure that any of it is factual.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:18:31 AM
Quote from: klaasend on January 17, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: San on January 16, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: casa on January 16, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
I have a question for everyone to ponder. We all know how Beth, Dave, Jug and others in the family were very vocal when Natalee went missing. Very much into searching for her and ready to expose what they went through in Aruba and the mess that was going on. Here is the question. Do you think that if there was any chance that Natalee was in that trap that the family would be so quiet? We have heard nothing from the family.
I personally think that in all this turmoil about the crab trap I would take my cues from the family. They do know more than us and yes they do know more than Kermit.
Is this going to start another Kermit debate. The family knows more than HotShot, CAPS, and others who are working behind the scenes to discredit Kermit.
I have no desire to start another Kermit debate. I agree that the family knows more than Hotshot, CAPS and others. I also believe that the family knows more than Kermit. I was stating my opinion and I do realize that it may not be the same as those remaining on the Natalee thread but I thought we were all still entitled to our opinion.
Everyone is entitiled to their own opinions. The only problem is your opinion is that we shouldn't be discussing the possibility of wrong doing by Kyle or the Persiistence crew. So your opinion is that our opinion is wrong and shouldn't be considered.
What should we discuss? Should be discuss the weather in Aruba, Alabama, Arkansas or Mississippi? Just curious what your suggestion might be?
Apparently you read more into what I said than was there. I did not say we should not be discussing Kyle, etc. I did not say your opinion was wrong but apparently mine is. Please don't look for things in my posts that are not there. That is why I have abstained from posting because I knew my anything I said would be twisted. I say lets hear something from the family before we hang people!
Ok, I didn't know we were hanging people. Kyle ran his mouth and his posts/comments were brought to SM. Kyle is more than welcome to counter and state his side but he chooses to remain quiet. Maybe Kyle was BSing about everything, I don't know. I do know that what he said is pretty damning.
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Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
My main problem with Kyle is that I think he enjoyed the attention he got from posting on the forums. I think he was willing to post whatever made him seem important. That is why I have a problem with what he posted. I'm not so sure that any of it is factual.
So you don't believe Kyle.So he made it all up to get people to think that Natalee was potentially in the Trap?Now that's pretty sick,and if it's TRUE,Kyle is a despicable human being and,and.....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
My main problem with Kyle is that I think he enjoyed the attention he got from posting on the forums. I think he was willing to post whatever made him seem important. That is why I have a problem with what he posted. I'm not so sure that any of it is factual.
Well then shame on him for playing with someones life.
Who died and left him boss to make these kind of decisions.
It is hurtful towards the family. This is not a game. These are lives he is playing with.
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Gotta Chat-n-Run!
Will return shortly...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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If you see what I posted as you were posting you will see what i said about Kyle. I have no proof that he loved hearing himself but in my opinion he should have been more concerned with what he was doing rather than posting on blogs as he apparently posted in more places than SM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: San on January 17, 2009, 12:29:40 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
My main problem with Kyle is that I think he enjoyed the attention he got from posting on the forums. I think he was willing to post whatever made him seem important. That is why I have a problem with what he posted. I'm not so sure that any of it is factual.
Well then shame on him for playing with someones life.
Who died and left him boss to make these kind of decisions.
It is hurtful towards the family. This is not a game. These are lives he is playing with.
EXACTLY San.It's beyond hurtful.To imply someone's MURDERED daughter was potentially in a trap in the middle of the ocean "IF" she wasn't and people still defend and talk to this person
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2009, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
My main problem with Kyle is that I think he enjoyed the attention he got from posting on the forums. I think he was willing to post whatever made him seem important. That is why I have a problem with what he posted. I'm not so sure that any of it is factual.
So you don't believe Kyle.So he made it all up to get people to think that Natalee was potentially in the Trap?Now that's pretty sick,and if it's TRUE,Kyle is a despicable human being and,and.....
San and keepthefaith, I have no proof of that. Just my opinon. That is the vibe I got from reading what he was posting. I'm not sure what we can believe of what he said. Of course, I could be all wrong, but that is the feeling I got from him. You notice he was the only one we heard from.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
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Quote from: casa on January 17, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
My main problem with Kyle is that I think he enjoyed the attention he got from posting on the forums. I think he was willing to post whatever made him seem important. That is why I have a problem with what he posted. I'm not so sure that any of it is factual.
The Natalee's Freebirds is/was a
private forum
... no exposure. If you read the former Natalee's Freebirds' administrator (Jen) email to Klaas ... she explains that Kyle joined the Natalee's Freebirds with the intention of receiving assistance in compiling a document of the happenings on board the Persistence ... a document that could be submitted to Beth Holloway. Somewhere along the way Kyle had a change of heart ...
Casa ... I posted the Jen's email which Klaas posted above ... please read.
Janet
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I also agree that if that is what he did it is the lowest of the low! I just never trusted his posting while he was supposed to be looking for Natalee.
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===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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