Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[texasmom]

Texasmom - help with this?

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MUCHA A CAY RIBA STAKA CU A PERFORE NA E PARTI ATRAS DI SU CURPA, CUERPO DI BOMBERO A BAY CORTA E HERO PA ASINA POR A TRANSPORTA E MUCHA CU URGENCIA PA HOSPITAL

MUCHA A CAY RIBA STAKA CU A PERFORE NA E PARTI ATRAS DI SU CURPA, CUERPO DI BOMBERO A BAY CORTA E HERO PA ASINA POR A TRANSPORTA E MUCHA CU URGENCIA PA HOSPITAL
E PAGINA AKI TA CONTENE MATERIAL GRAFICO OF FUERTE ADEMAS E NO TA APTO PA MENOR DI EDAD OF ESNAN SENSIBEL
Dialuna atardi a drenta informe di un caso di unda un mucha a cay riba un staka y esaki a perfore na su parti atras, mesora a dirigi tanto polis como ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya mesora a bin constata cu e mucha a cay riba un pida hero y cu lo mester di e cuerpo di rescate di bombero pa corta e hero y libera e mucha. Na yegada di bombero mesora a libera e mucha y a transporte cu e pida hero pega na su curpa pa hospital.


Look at the 2nd to the last photo in the frame 

o.k., I'm going to take a look!   

[San]

The reason Antonio Carlo told Janssen that Joran was probably guilty is because it was another distraction. One of many reasons they try to claim this is a mystery is because they have focused on Joran more than Paulus and his house.

Maybe it's me but as time goes by it becomes even more clear and there are no coincidences. Anita out of town, the casino, "your own father, unbelievable", the only one charged with premeditated murder and on and on.

Joran is a product of Paulus but his behavior was not out of the ordinary that night, Paulus on the other hand.

Who had the most to lose? Even a date rape gone bad with an underage perp would not have damaged Aruba permanently. But a Dutch judge doing this, has implications that would warrant what we've seen from Aruba.

The number one suspect went first.  Paulus.  Hopefully it will be like a domino effect.

[Rob]

Aruban Dead Pool - 2010 current odds as posted at the Excelsior Casino

Mark Purcell - even odds

van der Straaten - even odds

Anita Hugen / vd S  - 1 to 3

Fluffah - 1 to 4

Joran - 1 to 26

Deepshit - 1 to 18

Satish "the weakest link" - 1 to 22

Oduber - 1 to 3

Rudy Croes - 2 to 3

Arlene Shippers - 3 to 1

Tito "marbles" Lacle - 2 to 3, but a caveat and side bet - "hand in pocket" - even money

Karin Jansen - 4 to 5

Koen Gottenbos - even money and a side bet - caught by mother with farm animal - again even money

Sander Gottenbos - 3 to 1 and a side bet - glory hole accident at gay porn shop - even money

Kettlewampie Kalpoe / Nadira Ramirez - 2 to 1 and a side bet - car accident even money

Hans Mos - 2 to 3

Marlene - 2 to 1

Machelle - even money

Head master Werner - 3 to 1

Freddy - even money

Jamie - 2 to 1

Gerold Dompig - 1 to 9

Michael Dompig - 1 to 2

Jules Sambo - 2 to 1

Steve Croes - 1 to 14 and a side bet of a boating accident - 2 to 1

Dennis Jacobs - 1 to 16

Paul Seute - 3 to 2

Poentje Castro - 3 to 1

Angela Muffinhowzer - 2 to 1

The other Angela - 2 to 7

Michael Posner / Irv Goldstein - 1 to 7

Panty Boy - 3 to 1

Antonio Carlo - even money

Marisol Tromp - even money

Ben Voc / King - 1 to 9

Ruben Trappenberg - even money

Junior the crackhead - 1 to 83

Fredis Refunjol - 2 to 1

Kawish Meiser - even money

Bamboo the Aruban garbage man - 2 to 1

David Kock - 3 to 1

Patrick ven der Eem - even money

Marianne Croes - 3 to 1

David Cruz - 2 to 1

Capslockwizard / RV - even money

Ritchie Kock - 3 to 1

Steve Cohen - 1 to 15

Armin Solognier - 3 to 1

Clyde Burke - even money

Joseph Tacopina - even money

Rosemary Arnold - 2 to 1

J.S. Kuiperdal - even money

Rik Smid - 1 to 17

Spencer Bachus - 3 to 1

Anyone named Geerman - 4 to 1

"Daury" - chips cashed in - paid 1 to 18 - if you had collapsing on a tennis court and choking on his own vomit - you won an additional 3 to 1.

[Edward]

It says the man became impaled and the firemen are hero for cutting him free and transporting the victim to the hospital.
Yes it is rebar

Yes it is in his.... Well he is impaled. 

[sharon]

Antoinio Carlo is the man who told Karin Janssen that Joran was guilty but it was up to her to prove it.
That was uncoverd by Peter DeVries in his first broadcast about Natalee's case

That was before Paulus became a partner in the Carlo/Van der Sloot Law Firm.

Usually one has to buy into a firm to be a partner and have their name on the door.

I wonder if Paulus "bought in" and then gambled away the money he used to buy in without
Antoinio Carlo's knowledge?

I also remember hearing 'carlo went to karin' from somewhere else? Maybe Jossy Mansur?

Was Carlo the one who handled Paulus's damages suit against Aruba? And was Paulus working for Carlo when he removed case documents from his office?

What a tightly woven little chamber of commerce they have .


On a more pleasant subject -- I hope you are enjoying puppy heaven  I'm sure you are

[klaasend]

It says the man became impaled and the firemen are hero for cutting him free and transporting the victim to the hospital.
Yes it is rebar

Yes it is in his.... Well he is impaled. 

That's horrible 

[klaasend]

Rob 

[texasmom]

Texasmom - help with this?

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MUCHA A CAY RIBA STAKA CU A PERFORE NA E PARTI ATRAS DI SU CURPA, CUERPO DI BOMBERO A BAY CORTA E HERO PA ASINA POR A TRANSPORTA E MUCHA CU URGENCIA PA HOSPITAL

MUCHA A CAY RIBA STAKA CU A PERFORE NA E PARTI ATRAS DI SU CURPA, CUERPO DI BOMBERO A BAY CORTA E HERO PA ASINA POR A TRANSPORTA E MUCHA CU URGENCIA PA HOSPITAL
E PAGINA AKI TA CONTENE MATERIAL GRAFICO OF FUERTE ADEMAS E NO TA APTO PA MENOR DI EDAD OF ESNAN SENSIBEL
Dialuna atardi a drenta informe di un caso di unda un mucha a cay riba un staka y esaki a perfore na su parti atras, mesora a dirigi tanto polis como ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya mesora a bin constata cu e mucha a cay riba un pida hero y cu lo mester di e cuerpo di rescate di bombero pa corta e hero y libera e mucha. Na yegada di bombero mesora a libera e mucha y a transporte cu e pida hero pega na su curpa pa hospital.


Look at the 2nd to the last photo in the frame 

o.k., I'm going to take a look!   

Papiamentu translation:

child owing to cay on staka cu owing to perfore at the part behind of his curpa, cuerpo of bombero owing to bay clip the iron for so can owing to transporta the child cu urgencia for hospital the pagina here is contene material grafico or strong besides the do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibel monday nightfall owing to enter informe of one caso of where one child owing to cay on one staka y this owing to perfore at his part behind, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol at once owing to come constata cu the child owing to cay on one piece iron y cu will have to of the cuerpo of rescate of bombero for clip the iron y libera the child. at arrival of bombero at once owing to libera the child y owing to transporte cu the piece iron stick at his curpa for hospital.

 
Yes, it looks like they impaled them self on the iron rebar; so the fire department cut the iron to free them from the concrete... but transported them to the hospital with the piece of iron still stuck in them to be removed there.  Probably the safest thing they could have done!

I was just relieved to see that it didn't go all the way through them! 

[Frank]

It's a myth to think Paulus was somehow connected to powerful people or had secrets. He wouldn't have the courage to blackmail anyone.

That's the problem. Someone of no stature, so puny, became a potential huge embarrassment for a bigger picture. A Dutch loser would define an island, and for me, a whole culture of Dutch scum.

A small man was a big problem, so they blamed Joran and tried to paint a moral equivalence with every other "boy."

[Edward]

It is a loose translation,
Hope it all came out ok..

[texasmom]

Aruban Dead Pool - 2010 current odds as posted at the Excelsior Casino

Mark Purcell - even odds

van der Straaten - even odds

Anita Hugen / vd S  - 1 to 3

Fluffah - 1 to 4

Joran - 1 to 26

Deepshit - 1 to 18

Satish "the weakest link" - 1 to 22

Oduber - 1 to 3

Rudy Croes - 2 to 3

Arlene Shippers - 3 to 1

Tito "marbles" Lacle - 2 to 3, but a caveat and side bet - "hand in pocket" - even money

Karin Jansen - 4 to 5

Koen Gottenbos - even money and a side bet - caught by mother with farm animal - again even money

Sander Gottenbos - 3 to 1 and a side bet - glory hole accident at gay porn shop - even money

Kettlewampie Kalpoe / Nadira Ramirez - 2 to 1 and a side bet - car accident even money

Hans Mos - 2 to 3

Marlene - 2 to 1

Machelle - even money

Head master Werner - 3 to 1

Freddy - even money

Jamie - 2 to 1

Gerold Dompig - 1 to 9

Michael Dompig - 1 to 2

Jules Sambo - 2 to 1

Steve Croes - 1 to 14 and a side bet of a boating accident - 2 to 1

Dennis Jacobs - 1 to 16

Paul Seute - 3 to 2

Poentje Castro - 3 to 1

Angela Muffinhowzer - 2 to 1

The other Angela - 2 to 7

Michael Posner / Irv Goldstein - 1 to 7

Panty Boy - 3 to 1

Antonio Carlo - even money

Marisol Tromp - even money

Ben Voc / King - 1 to 9

Ruben Trappenberg - even money

Junior the crackhead - 1 to 83

Fredis Refunjol - 2 to 1

Kawish Meiser - even money

Bamboo the Aruban garbage man - 2 to 1

David Kock - 3 to 1

Patrick ven der Eem - even money

Marianne Croes - 3 to 1

David Cruz - 2 to 1

Capslockwizard / RV - even money

Ritchie Kock - 3 to 1

Steve Cohen - 1 to 15

Armin Solognier - 3 to 1

Clyde Burke - even money

Joseph Tacopina - even money

Rosemary Arnold - 2 to 1

J.S. Kuiperdal - even money

Rik Smid - 1 to 17

Spencer Bachus - 3 to 1

Anyone named Geerman - 4 to 1

"Daury" - chips cashed in - paid 1 to 18 - if you had collapsing on a tennis court and choking on his own vomit - you won an additional 3 to 1.

 

[Magnolia]

Aruban Dead Pool - 2010 current odds as posted at the Excelsior Casino

Mark Purcell - even odds

van der Straaten - even odds

Anita Hugen / vd S  - 1 to 3

Fluffah - 1 to 4

Joran - 1 to 26

Deepshit - 1 to 18

Satish "the weakest link" - 1 to 22

Oduber - 1 to 3

Rudy Croes - 2 to 3

Arlene Shippers - 3 to 1

Tito "marbles" Lacle - 2 to 3, but a caveat and side bet - "hand in pocket" - even money

Karin Jansen - 4 to 5

Koen Gottenbos - even money and a side bet - caught by mother with farm animal - again even money

Sander Gottenbos - 3 to 1 and a side bet - glory hole accident at gay porn shop - even money

Kettlewampie Kalpoe / Nadira Ramirez - 2 to 1 and a side bet - car accident even money

Hans Mos - 2 to 3

Marlene - 2 to 1

Machelle - even money

Head master Werner - 3 to 1

Freddy - even money

Jamie - 2 to 1

Gerold Dompig - 1 to 9

Michael Dompig - 1 to 2

Jules Sambo - 2 to 1

Steve Croes - 1 to 14 and a side bet of a boating accident - 2 to 1

Dennis Jacobs - 1 to 16

Paul Seute - 3 to 2

Poentje Castro - 3 to 1

Angela Muffinhowzer - 2 to 1

The other Angela - 2 to 7

Michael Posner / Irv Goldstein - 1 to 7

Panty Boy - 3 to 1

Antonio Carlo - even money

Marisol Tromp - even money

Ben Voc / King - 1 to 9

Ruben Trappenberg - even money

Junior the crackhead - 1 to 83

Fredis Refunjol - 2 to 1

Kawish Meiser - even money

Bamboo the Aruban garbage man - 2 to 1

David Kock - 3 to 1

Patrick ven der Eem - even money

Marianne Croes - 3 to 1

David Cruz - 2 to 1

Capslockwizard / RV - even money

Ritchie Kock - 3 to 1

Steve Cohen - 1 to 15

Armin Solognier - 3 to 1

Clyde Burke - even money

Joseph Tacopina - even money

Rosemary Arnold - 2 to 1

J.S. Kuiperdal - even money

Rik Smid - 1 to 17

Spencer Bachus - 3 to 1

Anyone named Geerman - 4 to 1

"Daury" - chips cashed in - paid 1 to 18 - if you had collapsing on a tennis court and choking on his own vomit - you won an additional 3 to 1.

 

[Magnolia]

It's a myth to think Paulus was somehow connected to powerful people or had secrets. He wouldn't have the courage to blackmail anyone.

That's the problem. Someone of no stature, so puny, became a potential huge embarrassment for a bigger picture. A Dutch loser would define an island, and for me, a whole culture of Dutch scum.

A small man was a big problem, so they blamed Joran and tried to paint a moral equivalence with every other "boy."

He was a man with no redeeming qualities that I have found.  Just a scumbag!

[Lifesong]

Aruban Dead Pool - 2010 current odds as posted at the Excelsior Casino

Mark Purcell - even odds

van der Straaten - even odds

Anita Hugen / vd S  - 1 to 3

Fluffah - 1 to 4

Joran - 1 to 26

Deepshit - 1 to 18

Satish "the weakest link" - 1 to 22

Oduber - 1 to 3

Rudy Croes - 2 to 3

Arlene Shippers - 3 to 1

Tito "marbles" Lacle - 2 to 3, but a caveat and side bet - "hand in pocket" - even money

Karin Jansen - 4 to 5

Koen Gottenbos - even money and a side bet - caught by mother with farm animal - again even money

Sander Gottenbos - 3 to 1 and a side bet - glory hole accident at gay porn shop - even money

Kettlewampie Kalpoe / Nadira Ramirez - 2 to 1 and a side bet - car accident even money

Hans Mos - 2 to 3

Marlene - 2 to 1

Machelle - even money

Head master Werner - 3 to 1

Freddy - even money

Jamie - 2 to 1

Gerold Dompig - 1 to 9

Michael Dompig - 1 to 2

Jules Sambo - 2 to 1

Steve Croes - 1 to 14 and a side bet of a boating accident - 2 to 1

Dennis Jacobs - 1 to 16

Paul Seute - 3 to 2

Poentje Castro - 3 to 1

Angela Muffinhowzer - 2 to 1

The other Angela - 2 to 7

Michael Posner / Irv Goldstein - 1 to 7

Panty Boy - 3 to 1

Antonio Carlo - even money

Marisol Tromp - even money

Ben Voc / King - 1 to 9

Ruben Trappenberg - even money

Junior the crackhead - 1 to 83

Fredis Refunjol - 2 to 1

Kawish Meiser - even money

Bamboo the Aruban garbage man - 2 to 1

David Kock - 3 to 1

Patrick ven der Eem - even money

Marianne Croes - 3 to 1

David Cruz - 2 to 1

Capslockwizard / RV - even money

Ritchie Kock - 3 to 1

Steve Cohen - 1 to 15

Armin Solognier - 3 to 1

Clyde Burke - even money

Joseph Tacopina - even money

Rosemary Arnold - 2 to 1

J.S. Kuiperdal - even money

Rik Smid - 1 to 17

Spencer Bachus - 3 to 1

Anyone named Geerman - 4 to 1

"Daury" - chips cashed in - paid 1 to 18 - if you had collapsing on a tennis court and choking on his own vomit - you won an additional 3 to 1.

    

"Anyone named Geerman"   

Bwaahaaahaaahaaa      

That was laugh out loud funny, Rob!

[Rob]

It's a myth to think Paulus was somehow connected to powerful people or had secrets. He wouldn't have the courage to blackmail anyone.

That's the problem. Someone of no stature, so puny, became a potential huge embarrassment for a bigger picture. A Dutch loser would define an island, and for me, a whole culture of Dutch scum.

A small man was a big problem, so they blamed Joran and tried to paint a moral equivalence with every other "boy."

I concur. It was always about the judge who raped and killed a little girl that was bad for tourism, not a kid that picked her up in a bar. Minnesota Dad, Carpe, You, myself and many others have said this forever.

and people wonder why Anita doesn't miss him... 

Have you all ever considered the "other 20 times"...

how did the girls get home? ask yourself that and go from there.

[Magnolia]

It's a myth to think Paulus was somehow connected to powerful people or had secrets. He wouldn't have the courage to blackmail anyone.

That's the problem. Someone of no stature, so puny, became a potential huge embarrassment for a bigger picture. A Dutch loser would define an island, and for me, a whole culture of Dutch scum.

A small man was a big problem, so they blamed Joran and tried to paint a moral equivalence with every other "boy."

I concur. It was always about the judge who raped and killed a little girl that was bad for tourism, not a kid that picked her up in a bar. Minnesota Dad, Carpe, You, myself and many others have said this forever.

and people wonder why Anita doesn't miss him... 

Have you all ever considered the "other 20 times"...

how did the girls get home? ask yourself that and go from there.

Surely no man would let his own son take the fall for his actions while he is clearing himself of all charges.

I can't believe that even Anita could live with him under those circumstance.

[Frank]

What? Joran was being subsidized, his lifestyle paid for by his father. Do you really think he has the courage to bite the hand that feeds?

It became the classic us against them mentality. I still believe Joran has no idea what Paulus did with Natalee's body. If you were covering up a crime would you want Joran involved.

I can easily see how a weasel like Paulus would use his son. It was nothing new.

[Magnolia]

What? Joran was being subsidized, his lifestyle paid for by his father. Do you really think he has the courage to bite the hand that feeds?

It became the classic us against them mentality. I still believe Joran has no idea what Paulus did with Natalee's body. If you were covering up a crime would you want Joran involved.

I can easily see how a weasel like Paulus would use his son. It was nothing new.

Maybe use his son...., but not to the extent that the son was mobbed in Holland and then
shanghaied to Thailand and became an object of public ridicule worldwide.  No amount of subsidy
would make up for that.

[Rob]

A long time ago - when the board first opened... and some of you are still here... I said the chances of being abducted TWICE in one night was astronomical. I never said that that chance of being ASSAULTED twice in one night was out of the realm of possibility.

In this strange and bizarre case - one that always hung on DNA and forensics - there were two assaults. First Joran (which could have been consensual (minus the drinking and the Kalpoes)... we all know that no one on Aruba can give their consent when drinking.

However, one important clue is often overlooked. Papito towing took away both Sloot vehicles. Natelee must have been in one or the other. It's really that simple.

And to top that off, Joran says that Paulus used Anita's phone while she was away. It's easy to conclude that Paulus took Joran's phone and vd Straaten triangulated Paulus and not Joran. Joran had Paulus' or Anita's phone at home after Staish left and headed for Hooiberg.

I have always believed that Paulus was way deeper and his DNA would be found somewhere along the line - otherwise, why make the effort he has...protecting your son only makes sense if he's never going to get out of jail, but Joran was a minor and going to do two years on an accidental death - Paulus on the other hand was gonna do life. Which would have been 15 years and his recent tape release by Joran said - you need to think about us.. {paraphrased}{paraphrased} and now translated I will go to jail for a long time and your mother and brothers will suffer without my income.

The only thing left that doesn't make sense is - Deepak. MAYBE he really is THAT stupid. Hard to believe but he did enter a lawsuit he could never win.

[Rob]

It's a myth to think Paulus was somehow connected to powerful people or had secrets. He wouldn't have the courage to blackmail anyone.

That's the problem. Someone of no stature, so puny, became a potential huge embarrassment for a bigger picture. A Dutch loser would define an island, and for me, a whole culture of Dutch scum.

A small man was a big problem, so they blamed Joran and tried to paint a moral equivalence with every other "boy."

I concur. It was always about the judge who raped and killed a little girl that was bad for tourism, not a kid that picked her up in a bar. Minnesota Dad, Carpe, You, myself and many others have said this forever.

and people wonder why Anita doesn't miss him... 

Have you all ever considered the "other 20 times"...

how did the girls get home? ask yourself that and go from there.

Surely no man would let his own son take the fall for his actions while he is clearing himself of all charges.

I can't believe that even Anita could live with him under those circumstance.

I could Mags, and in the secret polis van recordings Joran says - you declared against my father. Why would he say that and why would Deepak declare against Paulus?? This is after Paulus warned all three not to talk and to watch their words as they would all be recorded and they still had this exchange - it was that important to air those grievances. Emotions over-rode any desire to remain quiet. Blood must have been boiling. And they Joran said - I should have killed you when I had the chance...He protected PAULUS.

As for Anita - she's a deviant. Plain and simple She thinks she's something she is clearly not.