Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 - 3/9/09

[Tamikosmom]

I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

Maybe Tim Miller shared with Kyle Kingman that he had a drinking problem.

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink in over seven years.  However ... he will be the first to admit he has ... not had ... a drinking problem.

Janet

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A Profile of Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch

By Katherine Ramsland
Police Misconduct

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Then there was more turmoil. As often happens when a child dies, Miller and his wife separated and divorced. He entered Alcoholics Anonymous and received counseling. "It was very painful but each day got better, unless there was new information or there were new leads." Then he'd remember and feel the pain all over again.

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http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/5.html

It was very unkind of Kyle to post that information. IMO

Magnolia ... Tim Miller explosed his own drinking problem in a media interview.

As far as I know ... Kyle posted this information in a private forum.

Nevertheless ... as I pointed out ... my brother has a drinking problem.  It is a fact that all alcoholics whether they drink or not ... attest to.  I am not being unkind.  I am proud of my brother and ... I love him with all my heart.

Janet

You are proud of your brother, I understand that.  Do you think Kyle was proud of Tim when he
made that post.  I really don't think so.  It was not his information to share.  It was Tim's.

I disagree with you on the point of Kyle's Christian faith.  I think he talks the talk, but
does not walk the walk.  I think a lot of the flowery professions that he has posted are
just that and added for effect.

I might add that I do not disagree with you on much.

I agree with you Magnolia.

However ... if you were a fly on my wall ... you would be privy to the fact that I do not always walk the walk.  I am a sinner saved by the grace of God and ... I am often on my knees confessing those sins to my Heavenly Father.  Something akin to a child/father earthly relationship ... the child does wrong and ... when the burden of the wrongdoing becomes to heavy ... he asks his father forgiveness ... he apologizes and ... attemps to make amends.

My prayer is that Kyle Kingman will bow to the God he professed to uphold and ... for his own sake and the sake of Natalee Holloway's family will reveal all regarding the happenings encompassing the Persistence deception.  These are the actions that have the ability to open the door ... not only to God's forgiveness but ... to the forgiveness of Natalee Holloway's family.

I hope I made sense Magnolia.

I love ya.

Janet

"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
I see no need to post my personal convictions on a public forum.
I don't know why Kyle did, except to guild the lily and make people think what a good boy he was.

Magnolia ... is that what you think of me.  I hope not.

Janet

[Magnolia]

Janet,

I think the world and all of you.  Please don't think otherwise.

I do not feel the same toward Kyle as I do toward you.

[Kermit]

johanns underware

[Keepthefaith]

Kermit.Any ideas smit-world??Been searching..

[nimrod]

I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

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The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:
 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html

To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.

Why?

For disagreeing with you and Jen on the SM board, I believe?

[Kermit]

For disagreeing with you and Jen on the SM board, I believe?

That can't be true and the way that I know that is I haven't spoken to you since the Hurricane in Houston.

[jen3560]

I stopped believing anything that Kyle said when he said Tim Miller had a drinking problem.

I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words that were submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... a private site ... words that expose John Silvetti's betrayal.

Nimrod ... I am taking your word for it that Kyle Kingman stated thatT im Miller had a drinking problem.  I do not have a quote.  However ... maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle Kingman just may know from first hand observation.  Both of  these men held key positions on board the Persistence.

Nimrod ... do you have first hand credible information to the contrary?

Janet

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The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:
 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html

To answer your question, yes, but you will have to ask Jen for it, as I was banned frome the Freebirds also.

Why?

For disagreeing with you and Jen on the SM board, I believe?

Wrong.

You did read the email you were sent, right?

It was for the same reason Wingnut, Angie911 and Sharon were deactivated.

Same rule violated, same repercussions.

Please don't try and make this something it's not.

[Kermit]

Kermit.Any ideas smit-world??Been searching..

No not yet.

[Kermit]

johanns underware

You'll notice - no balls!

 

[jen3560]

BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.





FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

[Keepthefaith]

BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.





FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

Eduardo and his purpose is still very bizarre to me!Don't know what to make of it..

[hotping]

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[nimrod]

Nimrod - I want to give you kudos for not joining in with the melee at offshoot forums.

 

That's the nicest thing you have said to me in a loooong time.

[Kermit]

Kyle said: But to answer your question, if I had to name a person who I trusted, I would say Eduardo Mansur. He's a great guy and was a lot of help.

[hotping]

johanns underware

You'll notice - no balls!

 

 

[Kermit]

Kyle said: Eduardo Mansur owns Benny Hannas (sp) and Hooters and perhaps others.. but he spends a lot of his time working with Diario for obvious reasons. He spends a lot of time in Bolivia and traveling around the US which he loves. He's got a beautiful F-250 truck and adores his two kids.

[Blue Moon]

BUMP!!

This flies in the face of information we were given by someone here (I forget who?) who told us Jossy said Eduardo was on board the Persistence for the whole time.





FYI - I do remember some folks were asking about Eduardo, and if he was present for the Jan 7th dive.

From the same March 21 post, Kyle said this:

"For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan."

That was Hotshot who posted that Jossy said Eduardo was on that ship the entire time.

I bet Kyle trusted Eduado.  He was watching over every move they made and reporting back to the powers that be in Aruba.

I still question why he was there and if he wasn't there on the 7th then was he on board the boat belong to ALE? 

Something is not right about this.  Jossey was bringing in witnesses and tossing that theory out and Eduardo was on that ship.  Doesn't tally with me.

[Kermit]

Kyle said: Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???


Destiny asks OE (Kyle) if the pictures are of the same pond:
“OE, Did you see the 3 new photos we got today?   Is it the same pond you scanned?....please let me know....it's driving me crazy.... TIA...Destiny”

OE (Kyle) confirms that it is:
“Yes, it is certainly the same pond that we searched in February.”


Jossy Mansur's employee at his newspaper Helen is talking to Destiny
Helen Werleman

  La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club
Helen Werleman & Manager of the Year,
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f61/maureen-martinez-helen-werleman-walter-kelly-recognized-la-cabana-10976/

[Blue Moon]

Kyle said: But to answer your question, if I had to name a person who I trusted, I would say Eduardo Mansur. He's a great guy and was a lot of help.

I bet he was a lot of help to him.  Kinda like the fox guarding the hen house.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

I think the world and all of you.  Please don't think otherwise.

I do not feel the same toward Kyle as I do toward you.

I am relieved Magnolia.  I really am.

However ... if we believe Kyle Kingmans words posted at the Natalee's Freebirds' site in regards to the John Silvetti betrayal ... I believe his words regarding Tim Miller being a drinker.

Where it was necessary to post those words is the question.  If Tim Miller's drinking was interferring with his responsibilities entrusted to him by those who donated to the Persistence undertaking ... then Kyle should have provided an explanation.  Without an explanation ... I agree ... the words would have been better left unsaid.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - Tim Miller is definitely a drinker. I respect him enough to leave it at that.