RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[nikkibnurse]

Thanks Caligirl youre awesome!

[ChytownEd]

Re: Max Arends vs. Maxito Arendsz. Not buying that it's two different people. Website for Max has links to same circle of friends, seems to be another 50Cent aficionado. Same school...

For what it's worth, I've seen Dutch patronymics like Arends, Barends, Pieters, etc., spelled with the extra z in references to the same individuals in historical documents from New Amsterdam (New York). And Maxito is just a diminutive for Max.

Someone may be trying to protect a friend...and have a little fun at our expense.

[Faith]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Because the authorities don't want the kidnappers to know they are on to them. That's the reason for this whole news black out.

I think maybe Fox is trying to help out by keeping this in the news and going down other leads ( as the three kids) , maybe  they have info about the Kidnapping, and have been asked to keep quiet.
The Reporter did not even seem surprised and did not even question the Diario guy. It was if someone was in her ear shouting "cut....cut"

[CaliGirl]

Welcome Nikki. Just trying to do my part!

[arubagirl]

I posted this already on Riehlworld.

McDonald's closes here at 1am.

The casinos here are open 24/7 and I know that Excelsior is for sure (used to work there a few years back. )

[sarah]

Did ya'll read on Dan's site that the Twitty/Holloway's went to Joran's house and the dad sent them to the casino to find Joran?  Seems like I read this and then I read somewhere that this happend at 6:30 in the morning.  What would a kid be doing at a casino this early in the morning--and a Monday morning at that.

[TTownMike]

Please don't misinterpret this, but has anyone else wondered about FOX news coverage of Nat's disappearance?  While we feel the case is quite deserving of tons of coverage, I know that major television stations count air time in dollars--big dollars.  FOX has spent an enormous amount of time re-running the same show and clips over the past week or more.  Every night this week, I've seen O'Reilly at least twice--same hour show--and then Hannity and Coombs runs the same show, repeating the clips.  While the other networks cover the story in a two or three minute update segment once or twice a day, FOX is spending hours and big bucks.  What bothers me is that they are the only network doing this.  If it were a news story that brought in advertising dollars, all the stations would be on it like flies on honey.  I can't help wonder if Nat's family or our own government have managed to purchase this much news time and, if so, why?  It just seems odd to me and I can't think of another situation that has had so much one-network coverage.  Someone please tell me I'm wrong--or why.

I feel FOX just feels there is big news here and them udder ppl jes don git it! Knowwhudamean?

[arubagirl]

What school is Max(ito) Arends going to?

[AZLady]

No, Juvenal.  I mean a negotiated agreement with the AMERICAN government agencies--the FBI and DEA.  For some reason, I think the FBI and DEA want this case spotlighted and held in the public's eye.  They want FOX to keep reporting, even when there is no new news.  I think the Aruban government is simply an easy target for criticism.  When there is no news, then criticize what is going on.  That's their modus operandi.  I think the American government and investigative agencies want what is happening in Aruba to stay in the spotlight.  I find this odd because the FBI and DEA generally work outside the spotlight.

Well, an arrangement like that makes more sense, but I can't see how Fox is holding up its end of the deal, if there is such a thing.

Fox is constantly bringing in legal and law enforcement experts to talk about what a disaster the investigation is. If your deal with the Aruban goverment is true at all, look for a complete dearth of government officials on Fox. All the other cable news outlets (Headline News and MSNBC, particularly) are doing the same thing, and reaching the same conclusions about how the investigation is going.

A far more likely explanation is that the Aruban government people are making themsevles available to whomever will give them time.

Only Fox has persisted in bringing them on to say absolutely nothing. CNN has gotten tired of this game and moved on, therefore no Aruban politicos on CNN. No conspiracy, just the way the media works.

[sb]

the reason the fbi/investigators aren't talking they dont' want the people who have Natalee know that they know.....

All of you guys know you have done this sometime or another. You ask someone a question that you already KNOW the answer to, in order to make them THINK you don't know the answer, and to confirm or fill in the blanks of your knowledge.

Ponder that inr relation to Beth AND the authorities here.

[Professor]

To Nancy Drew: Lawyering up is not a sign of guilt, but we have every reason to believe that JVDS is stonewalling, at this point. After all, this is day 18 and still no Natalee. I understant that there is no such thing as a plea bargain under the Dutch system of justice, but there is such a thing as showing a "good faith" effort to aid the investigation. If Natalee were alive, or if there was any possibility of finding her alive, then this stonewalling would be beneath contempt.

[mojo]

aruban law is largely civil with some common law and if you don't think media engage in blackouts you are mistaken. in the UK (a common law country) they have what are called D notices. the gov't slaps them on for all sorts of things patents, news stories, information in general. don't kid yourself.

the embedded reporters are under restriction, does anyone seriously believe that if there is a credible possibility of finding natalee alive some idiot journalist will jeapordize her safety  -- well the standards at FOX are pretty low, but even they wouldn't stoop that far into the gutter.

[Getagrip]

What school is Max(ito) Arends going to?

Same as Jorans. They were both on the honour roll from a school newsletter I found online. I'll post the link here when I find it.

link to html version of the ISA newsletter that features both Max and Joran

[iquitos]

You got it.  The Roel I am corresponding with is indeed named Roel Gomez.  The Roel on Steves website is RoelJamil and I cant get at his picture or Zorpia site.  I did goofle him and he is ems too.  no picture.  Is the tickle Roel the same as the Zorpia Roel friend of Steve Croes, the one who is not under arrest?  Did you look at the site link i sent?

Iquitos,

Roel is on Axe guy's Tickle list of friends.

Axe guy's Tickle page:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=eKVs3MVT3lDV3wPJ

Roel's Tickle page:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=UQoij.UPBU5mllra
(with Red Cross uniform pic)

I realize the island is small...but these guys seem to be related through the same circle of friends.

Care to give us some insight, Roel?

After Dan posted the EMT/Amazon theory yeterday I warned him the EMT Steve is a different guy. Emanonsc Steve's Zorpia website has a very different picture.   One of his friends from the site, Roel, also posted that he is not the guy under arrest but one of the Red Cross people involved in the search.  Dan chose to ignore these and other posters on his site who agreed they are not the same guy.  Here is this Steve's website.  Look at the picture and post your opinion.   I have asked Roel to post here too.  We are in touch.  

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22Steve+Croes%22&hl=en

[CaliGirl]

i saw this on riehl world view



Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious.......

Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM

interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

Does anyone know if Joran's dad has a job that keeps him out till the wee hours or one that takes him to work in the early hours?  This seems to be an odd coincidence to me.

lol well, you can see me at the local drive thru's that are open all night. I have must feed my late night cravings! lol

Since I believe his judicial status would possibly be like an attorney.. 3am and McD's isn't really out of the ordinary. They keep odd hours reading, briefing, studying.

[TTownMike]

just two rumours weird things I heard yesterday, I'm reviewing the forum starting from most recent and catching up on yesterday's posts so forgive me if this is old news

someone from my hometown was telling me they heard that Natalee had been corresponding with Joran by email BEFORE the trip to Aruba which explained her trust level, anyone hear anything like that?  the person told me that some of her friends were reporting this

and one of the editors of Diario was on Fox News last night and he seemed to be saying they had a lead that Natalie was alive, being held hostage by some Venezuelans, now it looks like Diario has alleged some false leads already but I thought it jived with the information the blogger that alleges their brother is in FBI that they think this will have a good outcome????

NO!  Beth was asked that and said no way!

[Juvenal]

I posted this two hours agao:

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall, or to give false stories and then to change them.)

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

But now I am adding alternative #4.

4. He was involved in a cover-up, or in the disposal of evidence, and so he is not just protecting his son's skin, but his own as well.

Take your pick. But under NONE of these scenarios does he come out as a loving father, driven solely by honorable motives. So, we can put that notion to bed for good.

I want to add a scenario #5 here:

5. He believes Natalee is alive, but has some inkling or understanding of who has her and what they can do... and he knows that Joran is somewhat mixed up mixed up in the mess, so to protect his son, he wants it all kept quiet.

SB I agree with your #5. I think he came home and told his father what happened and the fact that Joran wasn't sent away by his father (I mean his father had more than ample time to send him to another country and really stall the investigation) makes me believe Jorans had part but there was someone bigger in the picture.

I haven't really been following too closely the past couple days. I heard before that Joran and dad tried to leave the country some time between Natalee's disappearance and Joran's arrest.

Is there any truth to that story, or has it been definitively debunked?

[AZLady]

I feel FOX just feels there is big news here and them udder ppl jes don git it! Knowwhudamean?

Oh yeah--I get it.  The thing is that TV networks don't spend this much money on no news.  And the other networks don't see the news.  So, how come FOX sees something the others don't?  Someone show them?

[TTownMike]

:::woondering if we all posted our pics on here, how many would be deemed "shady looking":::

(just kidding Cali!!!)

HEY! I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK! QUIT IT!

[absolut]

aruban law is largely civil with some common law and if you don't think media engage in blackouts you are mistaken. in the UK (a common law country) they have what are called D notices. the gov't slaps them on for all sorts of things patents, news stories, information in general. don't kid yourself.

the embedded reporters are under restriction, does anyone seriously believe that if there is a credible possibility of finding natalee alive some idiot journalist will jeapordize her safety  -- well the standards at FOX are pretty low, but even they wouldn't stoop that far into the gutter.

Agreed and many of the correspondants fox is using currently in aruba are in the aruba local media. Similar D notices being broken by them in this case would finish their careers.