Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[Jo-An]

I don't think it's gonna matter one bit what Bert De Rooij says - the Peruvians have the confession(s) on tape - just like the dutch specialists did. The difference is / was - the dutch burned that footage - the Peruvians won't.

I still think / know - the dutch will try everything to mobe him to Holland... probably won't work, but they will try and try and try and try and try.

There is something about Joran not having his Van Cromvoirt 700 thread count sheets and goose down pillers that really pisses off the dutch. He needs his mochachino when he wakes up, and a supply of cigarettes... and this makes the dutch conclude that someone's human rights have been whizzed all over.

They won't try.
Yesterday our president was on tv and he said that Joran will get the same basic treatment that all Dutch prisoners abroad get.
And tonight a very famous Dutch lawyer was on tv and he said the even the Dutch embassy will give Joran just the basics that everyone there gets; the 30 euros a month for toiletries etc and a list of Peruvian attorneys.
He also said that Joran is of no interest to the Netherlands, they don't even want him here.

Btw, Thursday night SBS will broadcast a "Joran/Stephany special" on tv. Knowing that network, they will just come up with some old (this week's) news and present it as "exclusive images" etc.

[klaasend]

So this is what we have:

Yesterday Joran confessed to killing Stephany in a fit of rage because she saw stuff about Natalee on his laptop (the reason is BS)

Today we are hearing that he may be recanting that confession

Today work filtered out from Aruba that Natalee's body may have been fourn

Now that Aruba is saying that is NOT true

Today, there is a report of 2 girls missing in Colombia that were there at the same time and casino Joran was.  They are saying May 6-14.  

Question:  We thought he left Aruba on May 13th but could he have left Aruba sooner?  Now that I think about it reports were he left Colombia on May 13th.

[Cappuccino]

Man O manochivitz, had a heck of a time getting in today but the huge news explains why....I just heard Shep on Foxnews state that the monster's mother is on the way to visit her murdering son...will that stupid B ever learn?   After that reportedly they are taking him for a walk thru of his crime & the coward was crying while he confessed.   Also, Fox has been showing clips of what a Peru prison is like & discussing sentence possibilities - he's going into a toilet bowl with some very foul elements (he probably wont survive) but Im rather ticked off at the low ball sentence he faces for the brutal murder of Stephany.

I'm praying that if this scum of the earth gets out in 10 years that the US can extradite him for the extortion charges...snit he stands to serve more time here for that! 

There has never been a doubt in my mind that he killed Natalee, this firms that up for me.   I hope Natalee's family gets answers at least, but how do you trust him since there might not be a way to verify what he confesses this time.   Meanwhile Beth opened up a center in D.C. today, bless her heart - just goes to show the difference of how she is highly respected versus what the Anthonys have tried to scam the public with (sidebar comment to this case).

[BUCKSHOT]

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but what if Joran borrowed money at the poker table from FR and told her he had the money to pay her back at the room?

Just a thought.

Forgive me if this has been discussed. Tough getting caught up around here.

I personally don't like where this lead, but feel free.

To me, it does not matter much why she went to his room, other than curiosity.

Too many more intriguing aspects (reason for the rage, content of cpu, info about Aruba) about this case.

Whatever the reason for going back to his room, his charm was working overtime.

[Magnolia]

So this is what we have:

Yesterday Joran confessed to killing Stephany in a fit of rage because she saw stuff about Natalee on his laptop (the reason is BS)

Today we are hearing that he may be recanting that confession

Today work filtered out from Aruba that Natalee's body may have been fourn

Now that Aruba is saying that is NOT true

Today, there is a report of 2 girls missing in Colombia that were there at the same time and casino Joran was.  They are saying May 6-14. 

Question:  We thought he left Aruba on May 13th but could he have left Aruba sooner?  Not that I think about it reports were he left Colombia on May 13th.

And...Steph Watts, who is on Aruba, says that Dave Holloway is on his way to Aruba to meet with
prosecutors, police and his attorney.

[Rob]

I know it's too early to draw any conclusions, and this IS Joran after-all... but some of this stuff doesn't fit.

Stephany was in the room for three hours... what was she doing in there - for three hours??? (if Joran's story is even remotely plausible)

Supposedly, according to her friend, she was a lesbian, struggling with her sexuality. And seems she had her period. I know nothing is out of the realm of possibility, including they had sex (with a condom - no sperm in autopsy report) and then she got her period after sex.

Hard to imagine that she was beating so badly that some of her clothes flew off - as described as being in red panties.

So, Joran may have been staging a crime scene - or - his confession / story / tales - is not all completely spelled out to us.

[klaasend]

So this is what we have:

Yesterday Joran confessed to killing Stephany in a fit of rage because she saw stuff about Natalee on his laptop (the reason is BS)

Today we are hearing that he may be recanting that confession

Today work filtered out from Aruba that Natalee's body may have been fourn

Now that Aruba is saying that is NOT true

Today, there is a report of 2 girls missing in Colombia that were there at the same time and casino Joran was.  They are saying May 6-14. 

Question:  We thought he left Aruba on May 13th but could he have left Aruba sooner?  Not that I think about it reports were he left Colombia on May 13th.

And...Steph Watts, who is on Aruba, says that Dave Holloway is on his way to Aruba to meet with
prosecutors, police and his attorney.

Thanks Magnolia.  Did they indicate that Dave's trip is about more than the 2 planned searches?  Is that how you took it?

[SunnyinTX]

LMAO KLAAS!!!!! Did you get my email asking about the GUEST thingy?? LOL

Yes and I had already disabled for the NH thread but I've disabled completely now.  I didn't even ask RED or the Tech guy.  Heck with them, I'm going to do what it takes.

WOOHOO...thank you...I was close to getting banned on the front page!  LOL

[Rob]

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but what if Joran borrowed money at the poker table from FR and told her he had the money to pay her back at the room?

Just a thought.

Forgive me if this has been discussed. Tough getting caught up around here.

I personally don't like where this lead, but feel free.

I'm confused. What do you mean Rob?

it will lead some - namely Renhoe - to say that she should have known who Joran was and it was her own fault.

[klaasend]

I know it's too early to draw any conclusions, and this IS Joran after-all... but some of this stuff doesn't fit.

Stephany was in the room for three hours... what was she doing in there - for three hours??? (if Joran's story is even remotely plausible)

Supposedly, according to her friend, she was a lesbian, struggling with her sexuality. And seems she had her period. I know nothing is out of the realm of possibility, including they had sex (with a condom - no sperm in autopsy report) and then she got her period after sex.

Hard to imagine that she was beating so badly that some of her clothes flew off - as described as being in red panties.

So, Joran may have been staging a crime scene - or - his confession / story / tales - is not all completely spelled out to us.

Joran killed her, that part of his confession is true.  The false part of his confession is the reason why. 

[Rob]

I don't think it's gonna matter one bit what Bert De Rooij says - the Peruvians have the confession(s) on tape - just like the dutch specialists did. The difference is / was - the dutch burned that footage - the Peruvians won't.

I still think / know - the dutch will try everything to mobe him to Holland... probably won't work, but they will try and try and try and try and try.

There is something about Joran not having his Van Cromvoirt 700 thread count sheets and goose down pillers that really pisses off the dutch. He needs his mochachino when he wakes up, and a supply of cigarettes... and this makes the dutch conclude that someone's human rights have been whizzed all over.

They won't try.
Yesterday our president was on tv and he said that Joran will get the same basic treatment that all Dutch prisoners abroad get.
And tonight a very famous Dutch lawyer was on tv and he said the even the Dutch embassy will give Joran just the basics that everyone there gets; the 30 euros a month for toiletries etc and a list of Peruvian attorneys.
He also said that Joran is of no interest to the Netherlands, they don't even want him here.

Btw, Thursday night SBS will broadcast a "Joran/Stephany special" on tv. Knowing that network, they will just come up with some old (this week's) news and present it as "exclusive images" etc.

no offense to you Jo-An, but I will believe it when I see it.

[thirdstrike]

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but what if Joran borrowed money at the poker table from FR and told her he had the money to pay her back at the room?

Just a thought.

Forgive me if this has been discussed. Tough getting caught up around here.

I personally don't like where this lead, but feel free.

To me, it does not matter much why she went to his room, other than curiosity.

Too many more intriguing aspects (reason for the rage, content of cpu, info about Aruba) about this case.

Whatever the reason for going back to his room, his charm was working overtime.

This is what we need to be asking ourselves.  If you are of the belief that Joran murdered her after he came back with the coffee, then she must have spent the remainder of the night with him willingly.  I don't think it had anything to do with going back to his room for money.  I think she may have befriended him while playing cards, and that is the reason she went up to his room.  It's definetely something we have to consider. 

Unfortunately for all the women in the world, he did seem to have a certain "charm" (yeah, it's even hard to type) about him.  She may have simply wanted to "hang out", and he simply was set off by her looking at his computer files.  It's actually not that hard to believe, IMO...

Thoughts?

[akmom]

AAAck tried to post a minute ago.  I will throw this out again, I said this last night.  Stephany was an intelligent girl......is it possible she knew very well about Joran and attempted to get close to him to sleuth out what happened to Natalee??  Just a thought, and I know I am most often wrong ; (

[SunnyinTX]

I don't think it's gonna matter one bit what Bert De Rooij says - the Peruvians have the confession(s) on tape - just like the dutch specialists did. The difference is / was - the dutch burned that footage - the Peruvians won't.

I still think / know - the dutch will try everything to mobe him to Holland... probably won't work, but they will try and try and try and try and try.

There is something about Joran not having his Van Cromvoirt 700 thread count sheets and goose down pillers that really pisses off the dutch. He needs his mochachino when he wakes up, and a supply of cigarettes... and this makes the dutch conclude that someone's human rights have been whizzed all over.

They won't try.
Yesterday our president was on tv and he said that Joran will get the same basic treatment that all Dutch prisoners abroad get.
And tonight a very famous Dutch lawyer was on tv and he said the even the Dutch embassy will give Joran just the basics that everyone there gets; the 30 euros a month for toiletries etc and a list of Peruvian attorneys.
He also said that Joran is of no interest to the Netherlands, they don't even want him here.

Btw, Thursday night SBS will broadcast a "Joran/Stephany special" on tv. Knowing that network, they will just come up with some old (this week's) news and present it as "exclusive images" etc.

thanks Jo-An!

I am anxious to hear if Anita or any other family member plans to go to Peru or is he on his own?  I wonder how she feels knowing she and paulus created and reared a monster?

[thirdstrike]

I know it's too early to draw any conclusions, and this IS Joran after-all... but some of this stuff doesn't fit.

Stephany was in the room for three hours... what was she doing in there - for three hours??? (if Joran's story is even remotely plausible)

Supposedly, according to her friend, she was a lesbian, struggling with her sexuality. And seems she had her period. I know nothing is out of the realm of possibility, including they had sex (with a condom - no sperm in autopsy report) and then she got her period after sex.

Hard to imagine that she was beating so badly that some of her clothes flew off - as described as being in red panties.

So, Joran may have been staging a crime scene - or - his confession / story / tales - is not all completely spelled out to us.

Joran killed her, that part of his confession is true.  The false part of his confession is the reason why. 

I would tend to believe Rob's theory above.  Not very far fecthed at all...

[BUCKSHOT]

I know it's too early to draw any conclusions, and this IS Joran after-all... but some of this stuff doesn't fit.

Stephany was in the room for three hours... what was she doing in there - for three hours??? (if Joran's story is even remotely plausible)

Supposedly, according to her friend, she was a lesbian, struggling with her sexuality. And seems she had her period. I know nothing is out of the realm of possibility, including they had sex (with a condom - no sperm in autopsy report) and then she got her period after sex.

Hard to imagine that she was beating so badly that some of her clothes flew off - as described as being in red panties.

So, Joran may have been staging a crime scene - or - his confession / story / tales - is not all completely spelled out to us.

Joran killed her, that part of his confession is true.  The false part of his confession is the reason why. 

Joran is probably thinking to himself right now: "If only I had locked and/or password protected my computer when I went for coffee...."

[Rob]

I know it's too early to draw any conclusions, and this IS Joran after-all... but some of this stuff doesn't fit.

Stephany was in the room for three hours... what was she doing in there - for three hours??? (if Joran's story is even remotely plausible)

Supposedly, according to her friend, she was a lesbian, struggling with her sexuality. And seems she had her period. I know nothing is out of the realm of possibility, including they had sex (with a condom - no sperm in autopsy report) and then she got her period after sex.

Hard to imagine that she was beating so badly that some of her clothes flew off - as described as being in red panties.

So, Joran may have been staging a crime scene - or - his confession / story / tales - is not all completely spelled out to us.

Joran killed her, that part of his confession is true.  The false part of his confession is the reason why. 

I'm going with my original thought - killed her in an attack when she rebuked him - soon after arriving in the room - that makes sense. She was dead for three hours when he went for the coffee.

++ still having some problem posting - I'm copying and backing out with the back button and re-quoting, with paste. I hope this does not result in dups.

[klaasend]

If Aruba notified the FBI that Joran was leaving Aruba on May 13th and Interpol can prove he was in Colombia on May 6th, wouldn't that prove that Aruba gave Joran a week to get out of "dodge"?

[Jo-An]

Van der Sloot: Confession or strategy?

The Dutchman could get out of jail in three years if it is determined that Flores Stephany killed by violent emotion.

The criminal Mario Amoretti said the possible strategy of the Dutchman. (América TV)
Joran van der Sloot seems to have devised a legal strategy to spend in prison as quickly as possible by the death of Stephany Flores. The Dutchman admitted yesterday the crime, but argues that it had planned to murder the young Peruvian, but the facts were for a violent reaction when he found poking about your background on your personal computer.

If Van der Sloot is accused of murder by violent emotion, the penalty could be less than five years. To benefit from the sincere confession and the early termination, the murderer could get out of prison in three years. However, it would not be easy to prove that the crime occurred in these circumstances, said Mario Amoretti criminal.

"There is a proportionate reason which has killed to check your computer for more than he says it was reviewing the information about his past in other countries. The important thing here is how and how he killed her and if she died with a first strike or defended, "the attorney in the newscast First Edition.

To fail this alibi, Van der Sloot could try to minimize aggravating pair being accused of the crime of manslaughter. The penalty for this offense is between six and 20 years, but prison-accessing benefits, the Dutchman could get out of jail for up to three years, said Amoretti.

However, the criminal said, if it is determined that planned the crime, the sentence would be 15 to 35 years. emerges that Van der Sloot stole the money as Stephany-family says the young woman would receive chain Dutchman imprisonment. It will be essential to this end, the information offered by the casino about how much money won and lost each night of the murder.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/491615/van-der-sloot-confesion-estrategia-legal

[BUCKSHOT]

Aruba definitely gave Joran a heads up...

Bet the farm on that...