Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[MisGivings]

Has anyone found the video of joran's first hearing?  I have seen several references to it being out on the Internet, but I have not found it??

I haven't seen it either Sunny.  Unless what they are calling the "first hearing" was the video of them going through his possessions & doing the medical, etc?

that was yesterday....I have read several times there was a hearing today...but again, it could be a translation error.

He was to be formally charged today is all I have read.

[cece]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/06/07/peru.murder.case/

Police report reveals new details in Peru murder case
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 7, 2010 -- Updated 2148 GMT (0548 HKT)

(CNN) -- A Peruvian police report leaked Monday says the alleged victim of Joran van der Sloot was found in his hotel room on the floor, half-dressed. The report provides new details about the hours before Stephany Flores' body was found.

Van der Sloot, who was twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, is in Peruvian custody as a suspect in the killing of Flores, 21.

According to the document, the Hotel Tac, where van der Sloot was staying, received a call from someone looking for him about 11 p.m. June 1. The receptionist forwarded the call, but no one answered. The hotel worker assumed that van der Sloot was asleep because the room key was with him and not the front desk.

About an hour later, according to the police report, the receptionist noticed that van der Sloot owed money for two nights and went up to his room, where her knocks went unanswered. The television was blaring, so the hotel employee figured he was resting, the report says.

Afterward, the hotel supervisor told the employee to go back to van der Sloot's room and enter using a spare key. When the employee went in, she found Flores' body on the floor, dressed in a black T-shirt and red panties, half-covered with a piece of white clothing, the police report said.

Flores was bleeding from her nose, the report said.

The hotel employee became frightened at the sight and went to alert her supervisor and the police, turning off the television and lights on her way out of the room, the report said.

[darleenofalabama]

Well, those involved in the cover-up in Aruba had better cut their losses and start talking because there's no guarantee that they're going to continue to hide what happened there anymore.

As for anyone else being involved in Stephany's murder, there's no one else involved.  That murderer acted alone and the whole world knows it; and, unlike in Natalee's murder (any sliver of possibility that it was manslaughter has now disappeared), there will be no one involved in a cover-up.  He deserves the harshest punishment available, and he's going to get it.

[AZSunny]

Regarding OTR pictures of Room 309: Useless. There's no headboard on this bed. Other reports said she hit her head on the headboard. Is OTR deliberately trying to confuse this whole story?

It appears the headboard is the type that is attached to the wall, and in this case the wrong wall.  It looks like the rooms have been rearranged. A portion of the headboard is visible in another picture. I do believe that the "hit her head on the headboard" was just one of many speculations we have heard/read. There is what appears to be tile on the walls.

[Anna]

AZSunny, you are correct.  Greta does not have any children.  For some reason I thought she had two sons but looked up her bio and she has no children.  So maybe she shops in the Boys' Dept instead.

I am just angry with her for implying it was Beth's money that enabled Joran to get to Peru when she, Greta, has given him money in the past for the fake Paulus tapes.  She must make Beth feel terrible.

[AZSunny]

Well, I AM letting my hopes get up again.  Even though they've been dashed so many times before over the last 5 years. I again choose to believe that this time, justice will prevail.

I don't accept the notion that the Peruvians give a flying flip what the Dutch think about their justice system.  I believe they care much, much more about their own countryman and his family, his daughter.

I do not believe that the corrupt Dutch nor the corrupt Arubans will be able to stand between Joran van der Death and his fate this time.

This really is the beginning of the end.  I believe.

::happy dancing monkey::

I agree Lifesong, and I certainly hope we are right!!

[MisGivings]

Regarding OTR pictures of Room 309: Useless. There's no headboard on this bed. Other reports said she hit her head on the headboard. Is OTR deliberately trying to confuse this whole story?

It appears the headboard is the type that is attached to the wall, and in this case the wrong wall.  It looks like the rooms have been rearranged. A portion of the headboard is visible in another picture. I do believe that the "hit her head on the headboard" was just one of many speculations we have heard/read. There is what appears to be tile on the walls.

I think I read the photos were of Room 208, which they told Greta had the same layout.

[AZSunny]

AZSunny, you are correct.  Greta does not have any children.  For some reason I thought she had two sons but looked up her bio and she has no children.  So maybe she shops in the Boys' Dept instead.

I am just angry with her for implying it was Beth's money that enabled Joran to get to Peru when she, Greta, has given him money in the past for the fake Paulus tapes.  She must make Beth feel terrible.

I agree that it was a very callous remark to make. And I further agree she should find a personal shopper with a little more flair and lot more color!

[Tamikosmom]

Every crime leaves behind evidence.

In 2005, Joran had the benefit of home-town cooking. His well-connected father was instrumental in making the evidence disappear, with help from his associates.  Unfortunately, law enforcement became more concerned with hiding the crime and was driven by protecting their tourism dollars. The game was rigged as justice could never be attained for a poor family, who only sought a proper burial for their deceased daughter.

Fast forward the clock 5 years to the year 2010. A crime has been committed on foreign soil. Same as before, evidence exists. Unlike 2005, there will be no one there to make it disappear. No doubt about it, the case files will contain surveillance footage from the casino, exiting the casino, entering the hotel with SF, exiting the hote; without SF a few hours later, a coroner's report of an estimated time of death, toxicology reports, bloody shoe prints, victim blood on Joran, murder weapon, DNA evidence, laptop, and much more.

Too bad for Joran, there will be no bottomless evidence drawer, no 10 day head start, no false arrests, no Jan Van derStraaten, no disinformation campaign, no witness intimidation, no judicial friends and favors, no new concrete around the pool, no new furniture, no CAPSLOCKWIZARD, no cell phone in jail, nor a lot of other unmentioned perks.

A foreign (Dutch/Aruban) citizen enters Peru and commits a heinous crime against the daughter of a well-known Peruvian citizen. They will ensure a fair trial for Joran, according to acceptable standards. He will pay for this crime. Law enforcement is taking it serious. Joran VanderSloot is no one special to them, just a foreigner who has committed a crime against one of its own.

Behind the scenes, due to his notoriety, his (soon-to-be) new roomates at jail facility probably have some surprises in store for him. Might even include a new game or two (Drop the Soap, etc). He is going to pay a dear price for his latest actions.

Just my humble opinions...

Buckshot ... I agree with your post 100%.  However ... following the trial ... following the sentencing ... apparently there is a legal option that will allow Joran to be returned to the Netherlands to serve his sentence ... whether in a prison or ... a mental institution.

I believe that pressure will be put on Peru from Holland to allow this option to become a reality.  I believe that Peru will comply.

In My Opinion.

Janet

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http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-van-der-sloot-peru-makes-evidence-public

Joran van der Sloot - Peru makes evidence public
Published on : 7 June 2010 - 5:33pm | By Sebastiaan Gottlieb (Photo: ANP)

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 Extradition
Peru and the Netherlands do not have a mutual treaty for the return of nationals to serve their sentences in their home nation. Although negotiations for the transfer of prisoners have been taking place, it is not clear when agreement might be reached.
 
Even if such a treaty is agreed after his possible conviction, Joran van der Sloot will be able to apply to be transferred back to the Netherlands on condition that the two countries have no objections and the convicted person also agrees. It is too early to say whether Peru would cooperate with a transfer.
 
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[AZSunny]

Well, those involved in the cover-up in Aruba had better cut their losses and start talking because there's no guarantee that they're going to continue to hide what happened there anymore.

As for anyone else being involved in Stephany's murder, there's no one else involved.  That murderer acted alone and the whole world knows it; and, unlike in Natalee's murder (any sliver of possibility that it was manslaughter has now disappeared), there will be no one involved in a cover-up.  He deserves the harshest punishment available, and he's going to get it.

And it is about damn time too!!

[Searching]

I am concerned because in the video someone posted of his belongings and he himself being searched/medical exam etc, it appears as though his belongings are still in Chile.

[wingnut]

If the netherlands make a request for extradition this request is not automatically honored. The country the prisoner is in has to agree.


*snipped*

The Peruvians will never agree to let him leave.  NEVER.  Her daddy will make sure of that.  




And remember..........

Peruvian police say they expect Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the murder of a Peruvian college student, to be in their custody by this weekend. The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, is a businessman with close ties to the Peruvian police.


The murder of the Peruvian college student has touched the National Police in a particular way. Ricardo Flores, the young woman’s father, is president of the civic committee that supports the police’s internal affairs division. “He is a great man who has always been loyal to the police. We have no doubts that we will solve this case,” says one officer who has worked with Mr. Flores on events organized to help officers in need.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0604/What-Joran-van-der-Sloot-can-expect-from-Peruvian-police

[Rob]

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According to the document, the Hotel Tac, where van der Sloot was staying, received a call from someone looking for him about 11 p.m. June 1. The receptionist forwarded the call, but no one answered. The hotel worker assumed that van der Sloot was asleep because the room key was with him and not the front desk.

in my experience, the only people who generally know your whereabouts, in a HOTEL, are your parents. And who would make a long distance call to a hotel? especially if he had a cell phone with the beginning number of 992.

someone somewhere was probably alerting him to something. yanno, when she wasn't facebookin' and slobbering over a picture of Richard Gere in the confines of her bedroom. < wink >

[MisGivings]

Does Joran Van Der Sloot Suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder?

Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder Are Some of Society's Most Dangerous Offenders
Joran van der Sloot is in the news once again and is wanted for questioning in connection with the death of a 21-year-old woman in Peru. Many people will remember the 2005 case involving the
disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and Joran van der Sloot's connection with the case. Authorities in Aruba detained and repeatedly questioned Joran van der Sloot about Holloway's disappearance, but never formally charged him with a crime. Now Joran van der Sloot is wanted for questioning in connection with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez in Lima. Stephany Flores Ramirez was last seen alive by a hotel employee as she entered a room accompanied by Joran van der Sloot.

Unlike the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba, there is a body and evidence accompanying the murder in Peru.

Joran van der Sloot had many different versions of what happened to Natalie Holloway and was even recorded on videotape confessing to disposing of her body in the ocean. Authorities in Aruba were never able to confirm van der Sloot's account of what happened and he has remained free in spite of his alleged involvement with the case.

It's always tragic when anyone is murdered and it's even more disturbing when someone appears to get away with murder and has the opportunity to do it again. It's likely that Joran van der Sloot suffers from a psychological disorder. Is it possible that he has Antisocial Personality Disorder? The American Psychiatric Association describes Antisocial Personality Disorder as follows:
"Individuals who match this personality disorder type are arrogant and self-centered, and feel privileged and entitled. They have a grandiose, exaggerated sense of self-importance and they are primarily motivated by self-serving goals.
  They seek power over others and will manipulate, exploit, deceive, con, or otherwise take advantage of others, in order to inflict harm or to achieve their goals. They are callous and have little empathy for others' needs or feelings unless they coincide with their own.

While this sounds like a pretty good match for Joran van der Sloot, it's unclear if he meets all of the diagnostic criteria for this disorder. In the past, these individuals have been referred to as sociopaths or psychopaths-some of society's most dangerous individuals. Regardless of what psychological disorder Joran van der Sloot actually suffers from, it's likely the world will be a safer place once he is taken into custody.

[cece]

 To convict Joran van der Sloot of murder in Peru a 3 judge panel need only 51% belief level to send him away for 35 years...     
half a minute ago  via Twitter for iPhone 

http://twitter.com/ClintVanZandt

[thirdstrike]

No worries everyone!!  As the late great Chick Hearn used to say..."This thing is in the refrigirator...the doors are closed...the lights are off...the eggs are cooling...the butter is getting hard...and the Jello's jigglin'!: 

Like I said earlier.  The man will DIE in a Peruvian jail!  He will NOT ever be released.  He will NOT serve any of his time in a Dutch jail.  He may not even last until the trial to tell you the truth.  He's imfamous.  He may be considered a "trophy kill" for other inmates.  One can only hope, right??

[carpe noctem]

It is really hard to believe that one unmitigated lying loser date rapist serial killer could start a world war.

I think it is their 'reputation' they are fighting for, not Joran, himself.  Also, Anita, is probably raising all kinds of hell and is being a general pain in the donkey and they want her off their collective backs.

Agreed - and what reputation they had has all been blown on Joran.

They need to learn how to pick and choose their battles better.

As far as that worthless over-sized diddling twat, Anita.

Every Aruban would be best off telling her to go pound sand in her shorts.

Carpe did you see this lol

LOL!!!! She reminds me more and more of Raunchy Di Cuba every day.

[Blonde]

Klaas,
You may have to ban Greta, too.  She was just on TV saying that it was the mioney extorted from Beth that enabled Joran to go to Peru!  I want to slap her silly right now.

How does Greta know it wasn't the money SHE gave Joran allegedly for the license of the fake tape of Paulus???

Hi Anna, I was saying the other day she was blaming the FBI and hinting that the money extorted was what he used to go to Peru..............I told y'all she was a biotch!!  And would do or say anything for ratings or an exclusive!!  I spit on her!!

here's the infuriating part - she SAYS, (and I paraphrase) she wanted to know why the FBI did not request extradition from Aruba on MAY 10TH. She CALLED Aruba's prosecutor's office and was told - we extradite for financial crime to the US.

So, she BELIEVES the Aruban Prosecutor's office and still no statement from the FBI. And in fact, the FBI hasn't said anything about this case in over 4 and a half years.

So, she is ever the most gullible person walking this earth or she has an axe to grind. How stupid can one be to believe anything from that prosecutor's office? And to take their word over a "no comment" from the FBI? come on now. Simma dawh Girdle.

Who here believes that Aruba would ever send Joran to the US? and for financial crimes non the less? HA!

Rob, you will get no takers on that!!  I 'know in my heart' that someone 'in the know' in aruba told him to get the hell outta dodge....perhaps because that someone knew the FBI was getting ready to ask for his arrest/detention. JMO and I don't think anyone can change my mind

I totally agree ARUBA TOLD JORAN TO LEAVE THE BLOOD OF NATALEE &  STEPHANY
ARE ON ARUBA'S HANDS!!!

[carpe noctem]

How many hours before Joran starts protesting and not coming out of his cell, like he did in Aruba?

They will pick him up and roll his azz into interrogation in Peru.

All games ARE OVER.

[cece]

No worries everyone!!  As the late great Chick Hearn used to say..."This thing is in the refrigirator...the doors are closed...the lights are off...the eggs are cooling...the butter is getting hard...and the Jello's jigglin'!: 

Like I said earlier.  The man will DIE in a Peruvian jail!  He will NOT ever be released.  He will NOT serve any of his time in a Dutch jail.  He may not even last until the trial to tell you the truth.  He's imfamous.  He may be considered a "trophy kill" for other inmates.  One can only hope, right??

I'm right there with you thirdstrike!

I believe they will hand out justice in their own way.