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« Reply #1940 on: June 12, 2010, 11:44:38 AM »

"Think about the stench in that place. Unwashed bodies and going potty in a hole in the floor."

This makes me laugh, I have a friend that I'm going down to visit in the Keys, he is doing some work at the Navy base and he told me last night that where he is staying is not the best part of town.  He brought his dog with him and he said he has to put his dog in the car to take it somewhere near so it can go potty.  He said behind the house he is staying at, its has chickens and stuff running around and basically he is there for just two weeks and he was put up here by the owner of the company, so its free but he had seconds thoughts, even dog looks at him and says no way am I going out there in the back of the house to potty..  I was thinking that even my friends dog would have a hard time going potty in a hole in the floor, I assume the toilet paper isn't the best and who knows maybe he does have a bidet but doubt it..  Yes I think I will enjoy my hotel room and maybe sleep well listening to island music knowing Joran is sleeping on a floor listening to the other people telling him how much they love him.. 

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« Reply #1941 on: June 12, 2010, 11:45:04 AM »

Sharon,

Thanks for posting about when Joran confessed in Aruba.  ALE then made it go away and Oduber went on national TV and said that Aruba must not have a tourist harmed at the hands of locals so that everybody knew what to do.

And they actually thought we would be dumb enough to believe them time and again.

Bur we must never forget how they trashed Natalee and her mother and praised her murderer.

"If they find the girl, you will get 15 years, Joran" said Deepak.


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Thanks, Anna!

It goes back to those first couple weeks and gets classified under 'we know what we know and we know what we think".

We know there was blood (before it became chocolate)

We think very strongly there was head injury (all the references to falling and hitting her head)

Sadly, Stephany is all the validation I need Sad May the angel Stephany rest in peace :lcryl:


(Totally OT -- saw the season opener of Burn Notice, episode 2 is on the DVR -- can't wait)

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« Reply #1942 on: June 12, 2010, 11:46:15 AM »



When I think about what not only Joran, but the officials and spinsters of Aruba have put this family through over the last 5 years I get so mad that I cannot put my anger to words as eloquently as some here.  I am not satisfied with Joran being the only one to go down.  Those that helped him, covered for him, and hurt these families have to pay too.  I dont know that the law will ever catch up with them but I pray that karma does.  I think it will and only then will it all be over. 
 


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« Reply #1943 on: June 12, 2010, 11:47:18 AM »

Is Peru even a signatory to the Geneva Convention?  I doub it as they are not in the EU where all the World Wars have started and so likely are not as concerned with that sort of thing as much as internal coups and such.  And Joran is not a member of a standing, uniformed amry, either.  I think it is questionable if he is even human to have human rights.

It's so laughable to see the Joran supporters whine about his rights now.  If they wanted his rights protected, they should have arrested him under their system.  He is beyond their reach now.  The family of Lori Benson (notsure of last name) begged for eight years or more for her release, too.  They didn't get it and neither will the Joran fan club.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, Joran.

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I wouldn't worry to much about that article about the geneva convention. The author is a guy called Steve Brown an ex criminal. He has had a beef with P R de Vries for a long time. If you are really bored just google this guy to find out who he is.

Is Peru even a signatory to the Geneva Convention?

They signed in 1956

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=P

So what?  Who is going to enforce the rule? No other country in the world goes by it. I tend to think Peru is going to ignore all their trash talk. The United Nations is as worthless as teats on a boar hog.
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« Reply #1944 on: June 12, 2010, 11:48:03 AM »

Is Peru even a signatory to the Geneva Convention?  I doub it as they are not in the EU where all the World Wars have started and so likely are not as concerned with that sort of thing as much as internal coups and such.  And Joran is not a member of a standing, uniformed amry, either.  I think it is questionable if he is even human to have human rights.

It's so laughable to see the Joran supporters whine about his rights now.  If they wanted his rights protected, they should have arrested him under their system.  He is beyond their reach now.  The family of Lori Benson (notsure of last name) begged for eight years or more for her release, too.  They didn't get it and neither will the Joran fan club.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, Joran.

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I wouldn't worry to much about that article about the geneva convention. The author is a guy called Steve Brown an ex criminal. He has had a beef with P R de Vries for a long time. If you are really bored just google this guy to find out who he is.

Is Peru even a signatory to the Geneva Convention?

They signed in 1956

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=P

So what?  Who is going to enforce the rule? No other country in the world goes by it. I tend to think Peru is going to ignore all their trash talk. The United Nations is as worthless as teats on a boar hog.


I wouldn't worry to much about that article about the geneva convention. The author is a guy called Steve Brown an ex criminal. He has had a beef with P R de Vries for a long time. If you are really bored just google this guy to find out who he is.

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« Reply #1945 on: June 12, 2010, 11:50:01 AM »

Makes you wonder what they have on the Kalpoes that they haven't talked.  Maybe they have and it was thrown away or mysteriously disappeared.  After all the Arubans can make blood turn into chocolate.
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« Reply #1946 on: June 12, 2010, 11:50:26 AM »


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IppsC_n3rB0&feature=related
There is the video when he has the two cups of cofee

8:35 am : he leaves the room.
8:37 am : he sees that there is a camera
8: 39 am: The hotel employee open the room and it is clear that the employee sees the room,  maybe not the body but he continues walking and seeing the room.

My questions is: when the monter buy the coffe? before 8:35 am?

If I understand what Mr. Flores is saying...I think he may have bought the coffee on the way back to the hotel from the casino.  Mr. Flores comments about that in the interview that has been translated on YouTube.  IIRC he said a receipt was found for the two coffees.  He thinks he could have bought the coffees when he parked the truck (at the hotel?)  There were also two soft drink bottles in the truck.  I'm wondering if she may have been slipped something (drug) in her soft drink.

It was in this part of the interview...

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/2/xEDTNr-r5BU
he is not sure when he bought the 2 cups of coffe.
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« Reply #1947 on: June 12, 2010, 11:50:52 AM »

Well, we will pin this coffee question down eventually.  I am still in total shock at Joran pretending to be locked out that it doesn't seem very important any more if he went for real coffee or not as that cherade is so totally transparent.  Why wouldn't he just get coffee in the lobby?  No pastry maybe?  And now that he had robbed somebody, he had money to eat again?

I must stop enjoying saying how vile I think Joran and his supporters are and do boring chores but will be checking in often.

And if you are in a store today, look for Peruvian coffee!  Need to add that to my signature line, lol.

But there is a spring in my step that wasn't there before because I know Joran is miserable and suffering and I feel oh, so validated for thinking him capable and guilty all along.  Maybe that's wrong but it sure doesn't feel wrong to me.  My only regret is another young woman lost her life but this time, he will pay.


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« Reply #1948 on: June 12, 2010, 11:53:07 AM »



When I think about what not only Joran, but the officials and spinsters of Aruba have put this family through over the last 5 years I get so mad that I cannot put my anger to words as eloquently as some here.  I am not satisfied with Joran being the only one to go down.  Those that helped him, covered for him, and hurt these families have to pay too.  I dont know that the law will ever catch up with them but I pray that karma does.  I think it will and only then will it all be over. 
 


Blah, I think you're doing a pretty good job of expressing your anger.
Karma is coming. 
I can't help but wonder how many are losing sleep, or if they are just glad to have Joran out of sight and locked up tight.
Can't wait to learn if anything of significance is found on his computer that could implicate others.

Add to that a camera and cell phone he gave to the taxi drivers.
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« Reply #1949 on: June 12, 2010, 11:53:36 AM »

One thing I did not understand was that all of the clips of the prisons, especially the one done in two parts at Lucharno (don't know how to spell it), everyone had haircuts. Also, many had knitted hats, polo shirts, jackets. Does the prison give them haircuts?
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« Reply #1950 on: June 12, 2010, 11:53:37 AM »

No Coincidence

wreck writes: "After watching JQK tonight on "Dateline", I am more convinced than ever that Joran did not act "impulsively". He told JQK that if 'they didn't pay him - they would have to wait another 5 years to find out wher Natalee was'. He was keenly aware that this was the 5 year anniversary. Instead of Aruba arresting him -- they tipped him off about the sting. Joran was hell-bent at getting back at Beth. The EXACT anniversary date was no coincidence. The answers to where Natalee is and where she lies will NEVER come from Joran. It will have to come from the Kalpoes or someone else INVOLVED trying to save their own skin.

Great post by SM poster "wreck."

The goon knew where he was on the calendar.  He referenced it directly to Kelly.

And imo, he attacked her first as soon as they walked through that door.  There was no computer, no talking, no sex.  He wanted her money and he wanted her dead first.

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« Reply #1951 on: June 12, 2010, 11:53:53 AM »

Janet maybe you know,

Didn't Premeditated Paulus sue to prevent the FBI from getting involved at one point? Who was he suing on behalf of?

I think it was the Kalpoes who sued to keep the FBI from getting involved.
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« Reply #1952 on: June 12, 2010, 11:55:14 AM »

The casino feed the monster very good.
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« Reply #1953 on: June 12, 2010, 11:55:18 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE & STEPHANY

One day closer to Natalee's family finally getting the truth.

June 11, 2005

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1116


wow…parents are back on with Geraldo and the stepdad is very upset that they just found out about the blood from HIM! Mom looks like she is about to faint…

Comment by KerinTX | June 11, 2005, 10:59 pm



what do you mean? her parents didnt know about the blood?

Comment by tell me its not true | June 11, 2005, 11:01 pm



parents know nothing… have been told nothing… upset that 3 last with her weren’t questioned until 12 hours after she disappeared

Comment by m wood | June 11, 2005, 11:03 pm



well seems the family didnt even know theer was blood evidence….how sad…and i am surprised to hear this…seems teh PM is talking in generalities..must be very frustrating….

Comment by lisabobeesa | June 11, 2005, 11:03 pm



I would think that since they took blood from the mon to compare with the blood in the car the parents would know about blood being found.

Comment by DT | June 11, 2005, 11:04 pm



Fox has reported that the blood is and dna is back!

Comment by Lola | June 11, 2005, 11:07 pm



The aruban official have not said if it is NH’s blood yet

Comment by Lola | June 11, 2005, 11:07 pm



Boy, the blood test came back pretty quick

Comment by Lola | June 11, 2005, 11:08 pm



The Aruban officials are also morons. Wait till the people that tested the blood leak the info to reporters. The reporters will figure this one out before the “police”.

Comment by S.Taylor | June 11, 2005, 11:09 pm



The fbi did the blood tests from the car?

Comment by Lola | June 11, 2005, 11:12 pm



Ben - nothing to report apart from blood sample from car supposedly being tested in the US. Denials of confession by Joran’s lawyer, AP not retracting confession story - Aruba gov’t seems to have shut up completely in the last day… More FBI arrived on the island at 3pm today as well. I think that’s pretty much it.

Comment by Rick | June 11, 2005, 11:56 pm




they just said on news that the aruban justice minister that no one admitted to killing her, they still dont know if shes alive or dead, and they did find blood but they dont know whose it is. the search for her is no further along than it was yesterday. 

Comment by tell me its not true | June 12, 2005, 12:03 am



So how does anyone get blood in your trunk?

Comment by arubagirl | June 12, 2005, 12:23 am



Do we know for sure blood was found in the trunk?
How about the back seat - where Joran was raping her?

Comment by Annie | June 12, 2005, 12:24 am


arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:08 am
It seems that they are going to Canashito, which is sort of a rock quarry. During the massive search (the one where the civil servants got off), they spotted suspcious activity by a white van in the area. The cops went to check it out, but found nothing.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:14 am
Police Commisionary Dompig denies that he confirmed the news. He said to the AP that he could not confirm the news.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:15 am
He told the local radio station that he could not confirm the news.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:18 am
According to the prime minister the fam. didn’t know this until they turned on CNN. The radio stations are also reporting that cops are heading to recover the remains. First it was lighthouse, then it was Bubali Plas (shallow lake), now it’s Canashito, the rock quarry.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:20 am
I’m guessing that we’re listenining to the same radiostation. Let me know if you can understand Papiamento, and I’ll gladly link to the feed of the radio station.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:22 am
You can’t go to the top, unless you have a key or you broke in. WHich I THINK they would have noticed. Look now at everybody saying that the Aruban police are blind as well as stupid and imcompetent.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:25 am
I’m pretty sure that Local can explain it better, but if you find a map with the airport on it, it’s on the same level as the Airport, except more inland.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:27 am
PM says CNN isn’t right. Says that he won’t support CNN story. Still not saying that it isn’t true, but this is what PM is saying.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:33 am
LOCAL!
Be very careful with that.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:34 am
Mmphmm, about 19 miles, I think

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:36 am
Nothing found at Canashito.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:43 am
Obviously I don’t know my island… sorry for the wrong info on Canashito location.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:45 am
At 10.30 the mom started crying in Holiday Inn.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:48 am
The radio station is so unbelievably pissed off.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:53 am
Why do you guys say it’s van der Sloot and not the other two guys? I’m just curious.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 1:57 am
They’re not saying anything about the Pet cemetary. At least not on the radio station

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:00 am
I will admit that the impression that locals have is that this specific girl must be from from rich and/or powerful family, since the U.S. Pres. called the PM (PM said so). Also, the FBI reacted within 24 hours, which I don’t think they even do in the States.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:04 am
I have no issues with Natalee’s family. However, the people on the boards have been infuriatingly self-righteous about the cops here, while most of them have probably never been here for long periods of time.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:07 am
Clarification: Not ALL the people have been posing as experts. It’s just the ones that have, are very annoying.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:08 am
That’s USA TODAY, saying that no confession has happened. According to the radio station, that is, I haven’t been to the site

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:08 am
Empty big plastic bag found at Canashito.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:09 am
But I don’t if that means anything. And again, this is the local radio station.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:10 am
Yeah, like an incompetent Minister of Justice (hopefully nobody is MEP here)

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:11 am
that’s why she said, REPORTER’s Opinion. Not saying that the reporter isn’t an idiot.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:19 am
I respectfully disagree with Gabriel, what I heard was that no one confirmed the story, or that no one was able to confirm the story. This is as far as police officials go

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:20 am
Leila, I’ll take local and gabriel along… they’ll protect me. Right guys?

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:21 am
Yup, radiostation signing off.


arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:24 am
Yeah, well, Jim. I’m not saying it isn’t true for God’s sake. I don’t think CNN would mess around with something like this. I’m just trying to relay what’s going on here. Believe me, EVERYONE wants this thing to be solved.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:27 am
Oh, by the way, the caves at Canashito are pretty hard to reach. If they’re searching for these in the dark, it’s very dangerous. I think I’ve heard that you can only reach the caves by rapelling, but I may be wrong about this last part.

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:30 am
Who is Eason Jordan?


arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:31 am
Canashito RIVER?!?!!?!?! What in the HELL?!

arubagirl on June 11th, 2005 2:33 am
Local, maybe they mean the Rooi di Canashito? Does Canashito have a rooi? A ‘rooi’ is a dry streambed that is quite common on the island.

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« Reply #1954 on: June 12, 2010, 11:55:32 AM »

Janet maybe you know,

Didn't Premeditated Paulus sue to prevent the FBI from getting involved at one point? Who was he suing on behalf of?

http://premium.europe.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/25/ng.01.html

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CANDIOTTI: Yes, the other motion has to do with whether the FBI should be permitted to have access to these depositions, to the witness statements, to have complete access to all of the evidence already collected by Aruban authorities. And again, his position in this case, the attorney for Van Der Sloot, is that the FBI has no reason and should not be allowed, according to the laws of Aruba, to be given that access.

GRACE: Well, David Schwartz, if your guy is innocent, why does he care if the FBI is in on it? He should welcome them and their state-of- the-art crime lab.

SCHWARTZ: Well, I mean, he`s got to protect the rights of his client. Now, obviously, the DNA argument, I agree with you, Nancy, that`s a complete loser. That`s a loser on arrival. At least in the American courts, you know, it`s pretty clear that you can collect any DNA evidence you want.

GRACE: Well, forget that because in Aruba, everything is bass- ackwards.

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« Reply #1955 on: June 12, 2010, 11:58:43 AM »

One thing I did not understand was that all of the clips of the prisons, especially the one done in two parts at Lucharno (don't know how to spell it), everyone had haircuts. Also, many had knitted hats, polo shirts, jackets. Does the prison give them haircuts?

I would think they would, to keep the lice population down maybe?
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« Reply #1956 on: June 12, 2010, 11:59:41 AM »

http://www.northstarnational.com/2010/06/12/dont-blame-the-fbi-for-van-der-sloot-killing-again/
Don’t blame the FBI for Van der Sloot killing again
June 12th, 2010
Talking heads and newspapers are severely criticizing the FBI for not arresting Joran Van der Sloot in Aruba when they had the chance. On May 10, Van der Sloot accepted money from an attorney on behalf of the Natalee Holloway family in return for learning where her body is buried. The critics would have you believe the FBI agents, who were in Aruba monitoring Van der Sloot’s meeting, had better things to do like snorkeling and drinking beer on the beach.
Van der Sloot received a $15,000 wire transfer to his bank, and $10,000 in cash from the attorney, as a down payment of the $250,000 he demanded before revealing where Natalee Holloway’s body is buried. Soon after the meeting, he flew to Peru for a poker tournament and allegedly killed another young woman, Stephany Flores.

Critics forget that Aruba is a Netherlands territory, and does not fall under the jurisdiction of the United States. Even though the FBI coordinated with Dutch law enforcement authorities, Van der Sloot did not violate Dutch law. Had Dutch authorities arrested or detained one of its own citizens it would be unlawful. This is as unlikely to happen as it would be if the Dutch police asked the FBI to arrest a U.S. citizen for them in Birmingham, Alabama.

As a DEA special agent on diplomatic assignment in Islamabad, Pakistan in the mid-1990s, I was responsible for processing and monitoring all formal extradition requests made by the U.S. It was there I learned how arduous the extradition process is, especially in a place like Pakistan.
The FBI agents in Aruba had to report their findings to the U.S. attorney’s office so it could seek an indictment of Van der Sloot for his extortion and wire fraud activities. Most federal grand juries don’t meet every day, and you’re lucky to get grand jury time within a week. Once indicted, a federal judge issues an arrest warrant.

Then, in order to seek Van der Sloot’s formal extradition, the Department of Justice’s International Affairs office has to review the entire investigation, indictment and arrest warrant, complete voluminous paperwork and present it to the attorney general personally for his signature. He cannot delegate this responsibility to a deputy. Next, the State Department ships the entire package, sometimes adorned with red ribbons and the U.S. seal pressed into red wax, through diplomatic channels to our embassy in Amsterdam, along with a provisional arrest warrant. A U.S. diplomat there presents the package to the appropriate Dutch authorities. At this point, the U.S. has to rely on The Netherlands to locate, arrest and initiate extradition proceedings against Van der Sloot. Once arrested, extradition proceedings and appeals could literally take years, making a successful prosecution less likely because witnesses become unavailable or their memories fade.
To cover all bases, the FBI probably was simultaneously coordinating with its Interpol representative to secure an international “red warrant” for Van der Sloot’s arrest. Interpol calls it this because there is literally a red strip down the left side of the cover sheet. This red warrant is necessary in case the fugitive is located in a third country so authorities there take him into custody. Without an Interpol red warrant, a disinterested third country, such as Peru, would be reluctant to make the arrest.

Keep in mind that the FBI’s middle name is “Bureau,” and its bureaucracy, grown over the years, makes it sometimes slow to act. Knowing this, the FBI agents in Aruba were probably relieved Van der Sloot went on a gambling junket in order to buy them time to get a red warrant and receive several levels of permission to start the extradition process.

Nobody could have predicted that Van der Sloot would kill again, and to suggest that the FBI agents in Aruba were somehow negligent in their duties is unfair. If FBI agents were psychics, they’d have the winning numbers for the next Power Ball drawing.
DEA and FBI agents have successfully conducted “extrajudicial renditions” to capture fugitives when formal extradition is not an option. These controversial renditions, or as defense attorneys like to call them, “kidnappings,” have been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. I’ve personally participated in several of them. The FBI probably considered doing this with the playboy gambler.

So, don’t blame the FBI for what happened to Ms. Flores in Peru. It was following international law, and that’s what it’s supposed to do.

Gregory D. Lee is a retired DEA Supervisory Special Agent and the author of Conspiracy Investigations: Terrorism, Drugs and Gangs which has a chapter on how federal agents conduct extrajudicial renditions. Reach him through his website: www.gregorydlee.com.

RUBBISH!!!

While on Aruban soil ... Joran commited the crime of extortion against Beth Holloway.  While on Aruban soil ... Joran confessed to causing the death of Natalee Holloway.  All was captured on camera by the FBI with the assistance of Aruban authorities.

Logic dictates that Aruban authorities did not comply with Dutch law when they failed to immediately detain Joran van der Sloot for crimes committed on Aruban soil.

My son's Dutch American FIL claims that it is not Dutch law which has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... it is the manipulation of Dutch law to further a cover up agenda.

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With the documents signed, Kelly says he handed over the cash and confirmed the wire transfer.  Then, Kelly says, they got into the rental car that had been wired by the FBI, and drove to the site where van der Sloot claimed Natalee’s body had been buried.

CHRIS HANSEN: And precisely where did he say Natalee's remains were?

JOHN KELLY: He pointed to a specific room on a house right by the Aruba Racquet Club. The foundation hadn't gone in yet.


Then, Kelly says , they got back in the car and that's when van der Sloot told him how Natalee died.

JOHN KELLY: He actually admitted,  this was the first time he admitted being personally responsible for physically causing her death.


According to Kelly, van der Sloot claimed that he and Natalee were at the beach and when he wanted to leave, Natalee tried to stop him.  

JOHN KELLY: He got angry and actually threw her. He actually made the gesture in the car, on video, showing me how he threw her in anger, because she wouldn't leave at that point.  And according to him, she hit the back of her head, lots of blood and she was dead.


Kelly says he does not blame U.S. law enforcement for letting van der Sloot leave Aruba but wonders why the Arubans didn't arrest him as soon as they could.

JOHN KELLY: I think at the minimum, the Aruban authorities could've picked him up, and they had the ability to hold him there at that time.  It was their country, it was their island, it was their citizen. They controlled the port, and apparently, they knew he was leaving when he was leaving.

CHRIS HANSEN: Had they prevented him from leaving, arguably, a young woman in Lima, Peru could be alive today.

JOHN KELLY: I don't think it's arguably.  If he wasn't in Peru, she'd be alive today.


But Aruba’s Solicitor General Taco Stein says it was up to American officials to decide when to act.

TACO STEIN: It was an American investigation so decisions on whether or not to detain someone has to be taken to the American, by the American. And we can only execute a warrant that has been issued in the U.S. and if there's no warrant there's no grounds to arrest him


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/5/

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« Reply #1957 on: June 12, 2010, 12:07:34 PM »

Cecilita, is that every prison in Peru, or just some of the prisons where visitors are strip searched? I will admit that I've never heard of that before with visitors to a prison.

I believe all of them. I remember for that reason the mother of my classmate never went to see his son in jail. he was in jail for some kind of involvement in drug trafficking.
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« Reply #1959 on: June 12, 2010, 12:09:38 PM »


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IppsC_n3rB0&feature=related
There is the video when he has the two cups of cofee

8:35 am : he leaves the room.
8:37 am : he sees that there is a camera
8: 39 am: The hotel employee open the room and it is clear that the employee sees the room,  maybe not the body but he continues walking and seeing the room.

My questions is: when the monter buy the coffe? before 8:35 am?

If I understand what Mr. Flores is saying...I think he may have bought the coffee on the way back to the hotel from the casino.  Mr. Flores comments about that in the interview that has been translated on YouTube.  IIRC he said a receipt was found for the two coffees.  He thinks he could have bought the coffees when he parked the truck (at the hotel?)  There were also two soft drink bottles in the truck.  I'm wondering if she may have been slipped something (drug) in her soft drink.

It was in this part of the interview...

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/2/xEDTNr-r5BU
he is not sure when he bought the 2 cups of coffe.

Could have bought them one at a time. Cups were still in the room. No maid service, remember. I bet that room was a dump.


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