Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[SunnyinTX]

That's awesome Sunny!  You think we should create a thread for the Auction??

Hi Klaas....I don't know what do you think??

Yep, I think an auction should be in it's own thread.  Want me to set it up?
Then you can add the thread to the Auction in your signature line.

Sure and THANKS!  

[klaasend]

That's awesome Sunny!  You think we should create a thread for the Auction??

Hi Klaas....I don't know what do you think??

Yep, I think an auction should be in it's own thread.  Want me to set it up?
Then you can add the thread to the Auction in your signature line.

Sure and THANKS!  

Sunny - here is the link to your auction thread.  Copy and paste this link into your signature line in your profile:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=217

[SunnyinTX]

New document as posted at BFN - LETTER SENT TO PVDS 8/1/2005

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=212

I read this letter twice and although I could say a lot I'll let this speak for how I feel about the letter

[Katysmom]

That's awesome Sunny!  You think we should create a thread for the Auction??

Hi Klaas....I don't know what do you think??

Yep, I think an auction should be in it's own thread.  Want me to set it up?
Then you can add the thread to the Auction in your signature line.

Sure and THANKS!  

Sunny - here is the link to your auction thread.  Copy and paste this link into your signature line in your profile:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=217

Question:  Will the winner be able to pay using paypal?  Does the auction have an ending date?

I've posted my bid, I challenge everyone to add at least $5.00 to their bids!

[SunnyinTX]

New document as posted at BFN - LETTER SENT TO PVDS 8/1/2005

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=212

That is just sick and the person that wrote this is even sicker..
I would BET my life it is a Joran supporter

I have always felt paulus wrote this letter...after all wasn't his the only DNA found on it

[SunnyinTX]

New document as posted at BFN - LETTER SENT TO PVDS 8/1/2005

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=212

That is just sick and the person that wrote this is even sicker..
I would BET my life it is a Joran supporter

Isn't Little Rock one of the areas Medleyrelay claims to be living  

hahaha....Little Rock, Aruba!

[San]

Just posted by Linda, an Aruban, on the front page:

Hi Nychic..Kalpoes are also banned from C&C..but Joran also from Club Bahia..that means he probably didn’t behave himself..
I just don’t have time to post that much ..I’m really busy with my work..and 2 little kids..but will post if I hear something interesting..bye

When did C&C decide the ban the Kalpoes.  We have it on video when Deepak was there with his Partner in Crime Freddy.

[SunnyinTX]

Just posted by Linda, an Aruban, on the front page:

Hi Nychic..Kalpoes are also banned from C&C..but Joran also from Club Bahia..that means he probably didn’t behave himself..
I just don’t have time to post that much ..I’m really busy with my work..and 2 little kids..but will post if I hear something interesting..bye

      guess I didn't go back far enuf!  All three have been banned from C&C's???  Since when? Do we know?

[SunnyinTX]

ANNOUNCEMENT - All of the Statements and Reports there were set up as Announcements in the forum have been moved to a separate area:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

thanks Klaas...that's GREAT!!

[Tylergal]

FROM SHIZARU'S TIME LINE (Great work, Shiz).

On an unspecified day a weird message is left on the phone in their hotel room, by a woman saying that “Rosemary” is scheduled for a massage off the hotel property (Whatley 302)

On an unspecified afternoon, while Natalee and her 3 roommates are taking a nap in the room, someone tries to open the sliding glass door. When McVay looks out the door she sees a dark uniform going around a corner (Whatley 302)

SOMEONE TOLD EITHER PAULUS OR JORAN ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, AND A REASON TO GO AFTER THE SECURITY GUARDS.  I suspect Guido Wever is resposible for this little tid bit.

[SunnyinTX]

That's awesome Sunny!  You think we should create a thread for the Auction??

Hi Klaas....I don't know what do you think??

Yep, I think an auction should be in it's own thread.  Want me to set it up?
Then you can add the thread to the Auction in your signature line.

Sure and THANKS!  

Sunny - here is the link to your auction thread.  Copy and paste this link into your signature line in your profile:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=217

Question:  Will the winner be able to pay using paypal?  Does the auction have an ending date?

I've posted my bid, I challenge everyone to add at least $5.00 to their bids!

I am not sure if TES takes paypal....but just mailing them a check will do.  I will find out when the auction will close and let everyone know.  Great challenge Katysmom!!

[SunnyinTX]

So is Whoran banned from C'nC's? I've been offline for a couple of days? Can anybody throw me a bone? TIA!!!

And thanks to everybody for participating in the prayer chain and for those who prayed along with us!! What powerful stuff!!!!!!!

Hi Mish...share your bone   I THINK the info comes from a front page poster

[Katysmom]

That's awesome Sunny!  You think we should create a thread for the Auction??

Hi Klaas....I don't know what do you think??

Yep, I think an auction should be in it's own thread.  Want me to set it up?
Then you can add the thread to the Auction in your signature line.

Sure and THANKS!  

Sunny - here is the link to your auction thread.  Copy and paste this link into your signature line in your profile:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=217

Question:  Will the winner be able to pay using paypal?  Does the auction have an ending date?

I've posted my bid, I challenge everyone to add at least $5.00 to their bids!

I am not sure if TES takes paypal....but just mailing them a check will do.  I will find out when the auction will close and let everyone know.  Great challenge Katysmom!!

Thanx; I'm sure TES does take paypal, I just thought the winner would pay you since you have the items.  If the winner pay TES, how will you know it's been paid and that's it's cleared to send the items?

[SunFreak2]

FROM SHIZARU'S TIME LINE (Great work, Shiz).

On an unspecified day a weird message is left on the phone in their hotel room, by a woman saying that “Rosemary” is scheduled for a massage off the hotel property (Whatley 302)

On an unspecified afternoon, while Natalee and her 3 roommates are taking a nap in the room, someone tries to open the sliding glass door. When McVay looks out the door she sees a dark uniform going around a corner (Whatley 302)

Was there a MB kid named Rosemary on the trip?  Or even a person staying in the hotel by the name of Rosemary?

I hope the girls reported the sliding glass door incident when it happened. Black uniform - visibility team?

[klaasend]

This is the donation button they have at the TES website instead of paypal:

[Katysmom]

This is the donation button they have at the TES website instead of paypal:

Thanx Klaasend, that helps a lot.  I have my paypal account set up so I can only use my checking account, but since TES accepts credit cards the bidding can go higher!!!!

[Spock]

After reviewing the last round round of statements, the computer logs, cell phone records, it seems to me that whomever drove Joran home that night may have been the last with the girl. She could have been handed off to a second group or left at a party house.

Both Deepak and Satish deny driving Joran home. If we find out who drove Joran home we may find out who was last with Natalee and what they did with her. The chat at 3:25 am does not seem like pimps worried about concealing a death, it seems like two boys bragging about their last accomplishment. I have read that many sexual perps, immediately after the act, relive it by viewing porn. Porn sites were visited and two movies were downloaded for an hour until 4:30 am.

If we can find out who gave Joran the ride home, that person may be deeply involved in the dissapearance. It is also possible this whole thing came down at the Sloot home and there never was a trip to the beach.

Lets talk this over.

I don't think anyone drove Joran home.  The interval between reported time of phone call to Deepak (2:26) and "I'm home" TM matches almost exactly the amount of time it takes to walk the 2 miles from the beach to Jorans' home (40 minutes).  Deepak was on the computer from 2:00-3:00 telling John Croes that Joran was walking home at that same moment.  I think Joran raped and killed her on the beach and then either disappeared her before  walking home (possibly by carrying her a dumpster) or temporarily hid her under some bushes or something and came back for her later by himself or with Paulus.  I suspect either her death or disappearance or both somehow involved going into the ocean near the FH, as Joran's original version of the beach story, told to Deepak that nite, was apparently that he and Natalee went into the ocean and when they came out she passed out.  And Joran's comment to the headmaster on 5/31 was that "maybe she hit her head and drowned".  

Most crimes are simple, this one probably was too.  Ordinary date rape, except that somehow the victim died.  

I don't think she was ever at the VDS home unless it was after the beach.  It doesn't fit the text message records, Joran wouldn't be telling Deepak he was home if Deepak had dropped him off there. And I don't buy any secret code theories, I don't think there was any complicated premeditated plan here, and it's clear these 3 idiots weren't even thinking about polis reading their computer records or the records would have matched their original stories not contradicted them.

Shizaru:

I believe there is room for a difference of opinion here. You have your "read" and I have mine. I don't think Joran walked the 1.7 miles home barefoot in the middle of the night. In one statement Joran says he took Natalee into the hose and had "sex" with her starting at 1;40 am. In another statement, Deepak, said they drove to the Sloot home and Joran and Natalee went inside for 20 minutes. Also, chat records, can be easily deleted and modified. I checked it out myself today with MSN, I was able to all or some delete records at will. The only way to know what was really said is to check the logs of both machines and to subpeona the unaltered records from the MSN server.

The Dutch only listed the files on the one computer and did not produce the server data. There is no credibility to these chat sessions until the intact server records are examined.

[San]

FROM THE LETTER:

We believe that she must have received the letter shortly before Natalee was reported as missing since she made such a quick trip to Aruba and started looking for some one to blame right away, to take the responsibility away from Jug.

San wrote:

I think Paulus really wanted to say this:

Since she made such a quick trip to Aruba and didn't let me finish my plans to frame the security guards.

[Tylergal]

FROM SHIZARU'S TIME LINE (Great work, Shiz).

On an unspecified day a weird message is left on the phone in their hotel room, by a woman saying that “Rosemary” is scheduled for a massage off the hotel property (Whatley 302)

On an unspecified afternoon, while Natalee and her 3 roommates are taking a nap in the room, someone tries to open the sliding glass door. When McVay looks out the door she sees a dark uniform going around a corner (Whatley 302)

Was there a MB kid named Rosemary on the trip?  Or even a person staying in the hotel by the name of Rosemary?

I hope the girls reported the sliding glass door incident when it happened. Black uniform - visibility team?

Sunfreak, that was what I was alluding to.  If they reported it, perhaps Guido had knowledge of that report, and would tell the family ( the VDS family) so they could make plans to blame "two security guards in black uniforms," or if it was on record at HI, it could be that  the VDS had access to that information and secondary to knowing the MBers would have also told Beth & Dave, then the black guys in the black uniforms would have been an easy target, as it appeared they had already been trying to make their moves on the girls.  I did read in one of the statements or those documents from Greta's illegally obtaining records that there was black uniform/black arm, so that makes it a great story for Paulus to go with his own home-made version of blaming it on two black security guards.

[klaasend]

FROM SHIZARU'S TIME LINE (Great work, Shiz).

On an unspecified day a weird message is left on the phone in their hotel room, by a woman saying that “Rosemary” is scheduled for a massage off the hotel property (Whatley 302)

On an unspecified afternoon, while Natalee and her 3 roommates are taking a nap in the room, someone tries to open the sliding glass door. When McVay looks out the door she sees a dark uniform going around a corner (Whatley 302)

Was there a MB kid named Rosemary on the trip?  Or even a person staying in the hotel by the name of Rosemary?

I hope the girls reported the sliding glass door incident when it happened. Black uniform - visibility team?

Sunfreak, that was what I was alluding to.  If they reported it, perhaps Guido had knowledge of that report, and would tell the family ( the VDS family) so they could make plans to blame "two security guards in black uniforms," or if it was on record at HI, it could be that  the VDS had access to that information and secondary to knowing the MBers would have also told Beth & Dave, then the black guys in the black uniforms would have been an easy target, as it appeared they had already been trying to make their moves on the girls.  I did read in one of the statements or those documents from Greta's illegally obtaining records that there was black uniform/black arm, so that makes it a great story for Paulus to go with his own home-made version of blaming it on two black security guards.

Why are you thinking Guido the casino dealer would know?  Do you mean GVC, who's father runs the security business?