Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Lifesong]

Buckshot,

We were repeatedly warned time and again by the supporters of Caps that his true identity must never revealed for it would put his very life in danger for bringing us such truths as Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer.

  And now some of us are just a bit sensitive to being called cruel b*stards and such yet again for naming him and thus possibly bringing about his untimely demise.

As I posted, the only way I think that would actually happen is if he laughed himself to death but still think no one much wants to be the one to actually ID him or guess who he is.  Just some clown like Shango, etc. I would think, however.

Maybe upon completion of the search, the ones who actually know will feel more comfortable revealing all.

For the record, I could give a sh*t what those people may say about my opinions, or any name-calling or whatever the heck goes on "over there". 

The name of their deal is Chat 'n Grumble for crying outloud.  Might as well be Misery Loves Company - same thing.

 

[hotping]

Hi Monkeys

I've been lurking tonight.....lots of intersting stuff being said.....

Lifesong I'm with You on the fact that I don't give a Sh*t either what they say over there at CnG or GM

Anna....I'm also confused on what the heck they are up too in Aruba....I was hoping and praying that Natalee was about to be returned to Her Family but now I just don't know

As for Renho She seems to be in the know If You believe anything that comes out of Her mouth as far a I'm concerned She is FOS

Good Night All!

I'm Home now and hopefully tomorrow I will have a better attitude about all of this but right now I'm tired and I'm pissed....

[Lifesong]

Lifesong,

No, she presents the official ATA/AHATA/ALE/Mark Purcell version of events.

At first I felt good about this search and thought, well, maybe if they give Natalee back, it's OK no matter what.

But now. . . .if this is not even Joran but some pond rolling drunk or other. . . .how can this bring closure?

So I have a very, very bad feeling now after listening all weekend and especially tonight that it is not what I thought it was but something very bad.

I hope tomorrow I am back to thinking it is a way to return Natalee no matter what.

But if it wasn't even Joran, how could Natalee be in the pond and bring closure to the Great Aruban Farce of an Investigation?

I don't understand where all of this is going but it is not going the way I expected which was to find and return Natalee at long last.

What the heck are they up to with all of this?

 

I felt the same way.  Worst case scenario - we're wrong about the witness.  Hallelujah!  Natalee comes home!  That's a deal I'll make every minute of every day.

Now I feel even more sure this is just more jerking around of Dave Holloway, and it both angers and saddens me.


I so want us to be wrong.  And we would still have the comfort of knowing that Schaefer wasn't getting big bucks for his immoral and unethical choices vis a vis not sharing the ROV vids with Beth and Dave.

Btw, I certainly hope that by this point both Beth and Dave and seen the videos in their entirety.  I hope this happened shortly after Schaefer was made aware that they'd seen the pictures from January 7th.  

[klaasend]

Aruba: Another search

ORANJESTAD — The father of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway said Monday that a U.S. private investigator has begun scouring a pond in Aruba for signs of his daughter and the search may take up to two weeks.

Dave Holloway said the Aruba Prosecutors' Office has asked the investigator, Fred Golba of Chicopee, Mass., to not speak to reporters during his search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

Holloway said the tracker dog specialist will comply with the request.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705292808,00.html

[billb's daughter]

Buckshot,

Yes, Julia does sound very familiar with rolling into ponds after leaving bars.  Who else would have even thought of such? 

Also, this is the first I have heard about this not even being Joran and the witness just being all confused.  I was moer expecting them to say that it was Joran and he was just nicely walking home just as he said he was and the witness just had the time wrong, etc.

But now it wasn't even him at all!  Twist and spin.

Anna, I'm glad you posted that.  I read the line about a bar being nearby and thought...no, she's not going to suggest a drunk just fell in the pond...and she did!  She also came thisclose to suggesting that is what ALE thinks.  She is not making this stuff up herself guys, think about it. 

 

We're inside the envelope while main stream media does no investigative reporting. Aruba knows they can sell $hit to main stream media who then passes on $hit to the average American incidentally following the case.....
The outer side of the onion is accepted as seen/reported...Monkeys can't be BS'ed because they have peeled the onion down to its core....we know much of the truth....only a couple more layers to go....

[billb's daughter]

Buckshot,

Yes, Julia does sound very familiar with rolling into ponds after leaving bars.  Who else would have even thought of such? 

Also, this is the first I have heard about this not even being Joran and the witness just being all confused.  I was moer expecting them to say that it was Joran and he was just nicely walking home just as he said he was and the witness just had the time wrong, etc.

But now it wasn't even him at all!  Twist and spin.

Anna, I'm glad you posted that.  I read the line about a bar being nearby and thought...no, she's not going to suggest a drunk just fell in the pond...and she did!  She also came thisclose to suggesting that is what ALE thinks.  She is not making this stuff up herself guys, think about it. 

 

We're inside the envelope while main stream media does no investigative reporting. Aruba knows they can sell $hit to main stream media who then passes on $hit to the average American incidentally following the case.....
The outer side of the onion is accepted as seen/reported...Monkeys can't be BS'ed because they have peeled the onion down to its core....we know much of the truth....only a couple more layers to go....

Whatever happens with freddie and snorkel dog........don't be discouraged...just keep peeling the onion...
The TRUTH IS THERE!!!   JUSTICE for NATALEE is just around the corner...
Keep on...Keeping on!
Good Night all honorable Monkeys....and Freebirds turned Monkeys...
Any anyone seeking Justice for Natalee.

[Lifesong]

Lala'sMom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -  on: November 25, 2008, 10:38:19 AM 


That supports my source's knowledge also.  But at this point what does it matter?  If there was anything being held back to use as coercion against the Aruban authorities and the Sloot it's all over now.  Sometimes it's not the best idea to rat out your source without knowing all the facts.  I will make this comment and I will not engage it any further...there are law enforcement agencies and government agencies that are above the FBI.  These agencies are more inclined to deal with international incidents and have more resources to do just that without the help of the FBI. The less they know about what is going on the better under the circumstances of all the developments in this case.  Not everyone in every place are trustworthy and that includes our own law enforcement agencies.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557206#msg557206

Wth is that supposed to mean?  What agency is above the US Justice department?  What agency feels the less the FBI knows the better?


JMO and only MO.

[Nut44x4]

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Golba will be searching the pond for "10 days to two weeks maximum" in search of any answers that have eluded the family, Holloway said from his home in Meridian, Mississippi.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090324/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_aruba_missing_teen

[texasmom]

Lala'sMom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -  on: November 25, 2008, 10:38:19 AM 


That supports my source's knowledge also.  But at this point what does it matter?  If there was anything being held back to use as coercion against the Aruban authorities and the Sloot it's all over now.  Sometimes it's not the best idea to rat out your source without knowing all the facts.  I will make this comment and I will not engage it any further...there are law enforcement agencies and government agencies that are above the FBI.  These agencies are more inclined to deal with international incidents and have more resources to do just that without the help of the FBI. The less they know about what is going on the better under the circumstances of all the developments in this case.  Not everyone in every place are trustworthy and that includes our own law enforcement agencies.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557206#msg557206

Wth is that supposed to mean?  What agency is above the US Justice department?  What agency feels the less the FBI knows the better?


JMO and only MO.

Good morning,

Good questions Lifesong, I would add one:

What are these ultimate powers waiting for?

In two months the crimes are four years old;  It's past time for Natalee to come home and/or for her and her family to receive Justice!   

JMO

[texasmom]

Latest in Awe Mainta, mentions negotiations with Royal Caribbean, I don't really understand enough about it to know if it's important or not; just thought I'd put it out here.  If I "come across" anything in a better translation, I'll post it.

3/24/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://www.awemainta.com



Papiamentu translation:

in kort geding of astec contra apa huez have to see inters general y not particular according minister eddie briesen in interview cu minister eddie briesen owing to puntre on the kort geding cu astec owing to cuminsa for stop intencion of apa for follow cualkier destaho publico for her proyecto of platform. according the minister at dado instant huez will look at the interest general, cu huez not will can look at interest individual or particular. gobierno was know cu this is the caminda cu astec will owing to march, owing to premire y do not nothing another cu they will owing to wait for niether. according briesen in the proceso here do you have to is transparente y pesey owing to tell cu is bay in destaho publico caminda cu oportunidad for one y all have to is equal. for thing is the posicion of gremionan, eddie briesen owing to tell cu time cu was in negociacion cu royal caribbean cu had plannan big for platform, cu was inclui tiendanan come across, etc none gremio owing to tell nothing, y now cu is bayendo in the proceso of destaho publico if they're come fast. past owing to tell cu gobierno is respeta they opinion, but cu they have to respeta esun of gobierno also, because they're take away one maneho open y transparente for tomorrow they not wordo tilda cu they're favorece some person. inclusive past owing to menciona cu in one of the ultimo reunionnan cu fta, apa y upa hour owing to splicanan con owing to arrive at the situation here, “na dado instant fta self owing to let know cu esey is the caminda indica for march y esey is the caminda cu we is canando aworaki”. in caso cu huez dicta cu have to keep the caso of arbitrahe among apa y astec conclui, eddie briesen owing to tell cu will look at if have some caminda for march for apela the decision but have the chens also for tell for keep the proceso finaliza although unique cos cu the is haci is stroba one desaroyo in one situation cu mundialmente already end is critico.

[texasmom]

Have a great day Monkeys!   

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

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[wreck]

Lala'sMom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -  on: November 25, 2008, 10:38:19 AM 


That supports my source's knowledge also.  But at this point what does it matter?  If there was anything being held back to use as coercion against the Aruban authorities and the Sloot it's all over now.  Sometimes it's not the best idea to rat out your source without knowing all the facts.  I will make this comment and I will not engage it any further...there are law enforcement agencies and government agencies that are above the FBI.  These agencies are more inclined to deal with international incidents and have more resources to do just that without the help of the FBI. The less they know about what is going on the better under the circumstances of all the developments in this case.  Not everyone in every place are trustworthy and that includes our own law enforcement agencies.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557206#msg557206

Wth is that supposed to mean?  What agency is above the US Justice department?  What agency feels the less the FBI knows the better?


JMO and only MO.

She probably means "ALE"! 

[jen3560]

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/new_witness_provides_new_hope_in_natalee_holloways_disappearance/64874/


Courtesy: Julia Renfro
Retention pond in Aruba that private investigator plans to search

New witness provides new hope in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 23, 2009

A new witness is giving the father of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway new hope of solving her cold case, but Aruban officials are warning the witness’ story doesn’t add up. 

The new witness points to a retention pond close to Natalee Holloway’s hotel.

It is an area that’s been searched before, but it also has deep, hard to reach places.

A private investigator working the case says this is the best lead he’s had in four years.

The new witness says the night Natalee disappeared, he saw main suspect Joran van der Sloot emerge from the pond, wet and missing one shoe.

The witness passed an American polygraph test while telling this story.

“Joran van der Sloot waded out here in the water and you know when out chest-deep and let her body go in this retention pond,“ theorizes private investigator Fred Golba.

Golba is now in Aruba to search the retention pond, at the request of Natalee’s father Dave Holloway, but Aruban officials say the witness’ story doesn’t fit.

“They think that the witness is telling the truth, it’s just that he saw somebody else. It was not Joran van der Sloot,“ says Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today.

Renfro explains the witness’ story doesn’t match the timeline detectives have established for the night Natalee disappeared.

Mainly at the exact time the witness says he saw someone emerging from the pond, internet records show van der Sloot - or someone with his log-on name - was at the van der Sloot home connected to the internet.

Also the witness says the man emerging from the pond walked in the opposite direction of the van der Sloot home, not toward it.

Renfro says detectives think the man the witness saw had nothing to do with Natalee’s case.

“There’s a bar very near there it’s open until 4 or 5 so it’s possible someone just kind of rolled into the pond,“ says Renfro.

Perhaps time will tell.

Whether the witness’ story turns out to be true, Renfro says the Aruban people understand and welcome the efforts of Natalee’s family to find answers. 

“Anything that we can do to help Natalee’s family get results, we’re here for that,“ she says.

Not to mention the GPS on Joran's cell phone battery that put him home by 4:00 am

Back of Book Segment
More details from Aruba
Guest: Reporter Dilma Arends
Aruba investigative reporter Dilma Arends elaborated on the Natalee Holloway investigation, implying that Aruba authorities may have a stronger case than many people realize. "Aruba authorities have been using cell sites and the cell phone batteries to determine the movement of the boys involved. For example, they were able to determine that Joren Van Der Sloot got home at 4 AM. So I think they have more proof than they are telling us." The Factor asserted that Arends' claims will provide comfort to Natalee's family. "What you just told us makes a difference to the Holloway family because it gives them some hope. There should be a way for the government to get more information to the family that is not going to damage the case."
http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=363&dest=/pg/jsp/community/tvshowprint.jsp

If this witness were to be believed, it would also discount the gardener's statement of having seen Joran and Deepak (with an unidentified 3rd person) in Deepak's car near the racquet club.
 

[jen3560]

Buckshot,

Yes, Julia does sound very familiar with rolling into ponds after leaving bars.  Who else would have even thought of such? 

Also, this is the first I have heard about this not even being Joran and the witness just being all confused.  I was moer expecting them to say that it was Joran and he was just nicely walking home just as he said he was and the witness just had the time wrong, etc.

But now it wasn't even him at all!  Twist and spin.

Anna, I'm glad you posted that.  I read the line about a bar being nearby and thought...no, she's not going to suggest a drunk just fell in the pond...and she did!  She also came thisclose to suggesting that is what ALE thinks.  She is not making this stuff up herself guys, think about it. 

 

Lifesong:
You have done extensive research on the identity of CAPS.
What is your guess? In order 1,2,3.
BUCKSHOT

Could CAPS be the witness?

Buckshot,

Great reading tonight - thank you.

I think its possible that Caps is the witness, though I do not think it likely.

If I had proof of Caps identity you can bet your ass I'd post it.  I'd likely attempt some verification from Klaasend beforehand that it wouldn't result in my banning.  (I've not attempted such, as I have no proof.)


JMO and only MO

And that, for me, is the ONLY reason I don't reveal his identity. 

Well...................at least not in whole words, anyway.

I've given the monkeys his real first name many, many a time.    There is more than one way to skin a cat............and not be banned in the process.

[jen3560]

One reason (if I were to guess) for Beth to not be on board with this pond search......

Look at the talks she has given at schools recently - she still firmly believes Natalee was put into the ocean.

As for the polygraph tests taken by this witness......

First - do we REALLY know whether or not he passed them?

Or have we taken Silvetti and Caps' word for that? 

But even if he did pass them - all it takes for that to happen is either for the person to believe what he is saying, or for that person to be devoid of human emotion (sociopath) so as not to register any "triggers" during the polygraph exam.

[Buckeye]

One does not need to be at the computer while two porn movies are downloading.

I take any computer (and cell phone) info with a grain of salt. These guys had a pattern of this activity.  I'm sure they already had a plan if something went wrong.  I'm sure Deepak was pretty knowledgeable on remote access.  I am also sure that they knew how to communicate on pay-to-go cell phones, when needed.

I could see Joran hiding Natalee, in the brush and his dad coming back with him.

I still want the trap explained.

[Ree]

Buckshot,

Yes, Julia does sound very familiar with rolling into ponds after leaving bars.  Who else would have even thought of such? 

Also, this is the first I have heard about this not even being Joran and the witness just being all confused.  I was moer expecting them to say that it was Joran and he was just nicely walking home just as he said he was and the witness just had the time wrong, etc.

But now it wasn't even him at all!  Twist and spin.

Anna, I'm glad you posted that.  I read the line about a bar being nearby and thought...no, she's not going to suggest a drunk just fell in the pond...and she did!  She also came thisclose to suggesting that is what ALE thinks.  She is not making this stuff up herself guys, think about it. 

 

Lifesong:
You have done extensive research on the identity of CAPS.
What is your guess? In order 1,2,3.
BUCKSHOT

Could CAPS be the witness?

Buckshot,

Great reading tonight - thank you.

I think its possible that Caps is the witness, though I do not think it likely.

If I had proof of Caps identity you can bet your ass I'd post it.  I'd likely attempt some verification from Klaasend beforehand that it wouldn't result in my banning.  (I've not attempted such, as I have no proof.)


JMO and only MO

And that, for me, is the ONLY reason I don't reveal his identity. 

Well...................at least not in whole words, anyway.

I've given the monkeys his real first name many, many a time.    There is more than one way to skin a cat............and not be banned in the process.

Jen,

Could you point me to some of those posts so I can pay better attention?

[jen3560]

Buckshot,

Yes, Julia does sound very familiar with rolling into ponds after leaving bars.  Who else would have even thought of such? 

Also, this is the first I have heard about this not even being Joran and the witness just being all confused.  I was moer expecting them to say that it was Joran and he was just nicely walking home just as he said he was and the witness just had the time wrong, etc.

But now it wasn't even him at all!  Twist and spin.

Anna, I'm glad you posted that.  I read the line about a bar being nearby and thought...no, she's not going to suggest a drunk just fell in the pond...and she did!  She also came thisclose to suggesting that is what ALE thinks.  She is not making this stuff up herself guys, think about it. 

 

Lifesong:
You have done extensive research on the identity of CAPS.
What is your guess? In order 1,2,3.
BUCKSHOT

Could CAPS be the witness?

Buckshot,

Great reading tonight - thank you.

I think its possible that Caps is the witness, though I do not think it likely.

If I had proof of Caps identity you can bet your ass I'd post it.  I'd likely attempt some verification from Klaasend beforehand that it wouldn't result in my banning.  (I've not attempted such, as I have no proof.)


JMO and only MO

And that, for me, is the ONLY reason I don't reveal his identity. 

Well...................at least not in whole words, anyway.

I've given the monkeys his real first name many, many a time.    There is more than one way to skin a cat............and not be banned in the process.

Jen,

Could you point me to some of those posts so I can pay better attention?

Here's some.

The last one has a pretty good dialogue that follows it


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734113#msg734113
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4735.msg734007#msg734007
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg728358#msg728358
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg725838#msg725838

[Mere]

Good Morning monkeys....!

Jen I love your sense of humor....