Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Anna]

From me - FCL.
We are not the only ones baffled, PO, and concerned about this.  And if the autopsy comes back with suffocation for the COD that will be the nail on the head for me. We do need to know the motive for this crime so that it can be studied.  To make light of this is a joke when we see it more and more everyday.  So I know some will disagree but for now I will call it what it is ... a sex crime.  JMO

I would bet massive money on her being abused and molested. I can't think of one serial killer that wasn't, one murder spree  (er?) that wasn't.
Definitely not an excuse but an added reason to the psychopathy of this nutbag.

This case gets more horrifying every day. Last night I was going to check up on the news and I had to just stop. Stuff like this can encompass you and overwhelm you even if you aren't directly involved. I did my stint (see my previous posts) and left that world behind.  I can tell you I never ran across a woman uploading or downloading any pornography depicting or using children.

Well, I would agree that they all might CLAIM to have been abused as a part of a defense.

Whether or not that is true is another matter.

I don't think there is one shred of actual evidence that Ted Bundy was ever abused in any way.  His mother did give a few interviews long ago and seemed perfectly normal, etc. and she denied that he was.

So while just about all of them might CLAIM abuse, it might or might not be true.  Can also be a defense tactic.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Maven and Stacey, I just can't get over that someone would swallow razor blades  What gets me is, why would the hospital release her, after an incident like that? You would think they maybe could have done more before they released her, I don't know?

[leslee]

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

I can't find anything on that either, but the fact that she did in one way or another get medical attention, makes me think she is sane enough to know that swallowing x-acto blades is not a good idea even if only after she did it.

I think I recall an ambulance as well. Most women commit the deed in easier, painless ways. That would not be painless, IMO this was not a plea for help but rather the means to an end of her own life. It seems more of a way a guy would take himself out... maybe she DID act alone. I just can not accept that as a definite yet when the profilers were hell bent on thinking it was a male who did this.

[Wyks]

JazzTune, thank you for your informative posts, I enjoy them!  I especially agree with this, from your last post, very well said!

"As for Melissa possibly copping an insanity defense, I seriously doubt it would work!  "Snapping" is not a common event, no matter what people might say or think.  We DO have psychotic people on our unit all the time, but they have not been normal one minute, and then psychotic the next.  Doesn't happen that way.  Usually it's a gradual deterioration in functioning.  Even when it's obvious that the person is not in contact with reality, I can't imagine them killing someone, and then snapping back to normal.  That would not be anything I'd call realistic at all."

I've worked with many psychotic folks in the past, and it's true that it is typically a gradual decline in functioning, then a gradual return to functioning. 

It's also true that typically if there is a sense of danger, it is to the person themself rather than to others.  For example, we had an aquarium stocked with various fish, because it's a known thing that someone viewing the fish swimming around will gain a sense of peace rather easily.  However, whenever one psychotic patient would be near that aquarium, a great number of fish would disappear.  We finally realized that this patient was swallowing the fish.  Wasn't doing that to hurt the fish, she said, but to gain a faster sense of peace within.     This is the reasoning of one psychotic patient.   Makes sense, in a weird kind of way. 

My fav patient/client is the paranoid schizophrenic.     These folks typically are VERY intelligent, just have an altered reality and thought process, etc.  Talking with them, trying to understand where they are coming from, is an adventure unto itself.  lol

Not trying to dx Melissa, nope.  Taking what we've seen in her behavior and words, along with what her family has said about her so far...  I just don't see a psychotic person, in the truest sense of the word.  Her defense will likely try anything, including perhaps a Dissociative episode, however it's quite likely that none of what the defense may try will actually excuse her from her actions in this case.  If she is guilty, for whatever reason, then IMO she needs to face the consequences.  And it's the job of the defense to pull everything out of their hat to help her avoid that. 
   

[Maven]

How awful for the other woman, Melissa Huckabee. The woman has two children, maybe that's where the confusion is with this Melissa thinking she had two children?

It really must be, there are so many similarities between the 2 it's really uncanny, I think I'd change my name if I were her. I think that could be where some confusion has come from.

[Wyks]

You can smell the not guilty by reason of insanity in the air!

There is no way. They might be able to use her mental conditions and her meds (or lack thereof) as mitigating circumstances in sentencing but she will not be found to be insane.

The cover-up itself, screws that.

Ahhh yes, those pesky mitigating circumstances!  And yet.. I'm with you, the cover-up itself rules that out, no matter what the defense comes up with.  IMO

[klaasend]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/15/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-swallowed-razor-blades-on-psych-meds/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby Swallowed Razor Blades- On Psych Meds

[Stacey]

Thanks Maven and Stacey, I just can't get over that someone would swallow razor blades  What gets me is, why would the hospital release her, after an incident like that? You would think they maybe could have done more before they released her, I don't know?

I've wondered that too why she was released seems odd. Maybe the hospital will have to answer that in court or maybe she didn't show any signs of doing more harm to herself. Or just thought of this maybe she said she swallowed them but she really didn't wonder if the hospital told the media that or the family told the media that but I would think the hospital could not tell because of provicy. But it came from the family

Monkey hugs

[no rose colored glasses]

Wow Wyks, that fish story is something, a faster sense of peace  I'm even wondering if this case will be plead out?

[FishstickKitty]

I doubt this story. I would imagine that 3 days after ingesting 2 Xacto knives that made you INTERNALLY bleed you wouldn't be all chipper and doing interviews about your luggage.
Meaning if she did actually have internal bleeding, she'd be all sliced up inside. At best need surgery. Perhaps Cali is different but down here in Texas you don't recover from internal surgery to repair sliced up insides in 2 days.

Shelley

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

[no rose colored glasses]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/15/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-swallowed-razor-blades-on-psych-meds/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby Swallowed Razor Blades- On Psych Meds

Wow, thanks for that. Do you know when the past suicides took place? So the grandparents have her and her child, who should not have been with Melissa, living with them, did they just repeatedly close their eyes to Melissa's issues? Cindy and George Anthony come to mind.

[FishstickKitty]

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

[MunkeyMunk]

Hi Monkeys,
I've been lurking but now have question....  Is there any video footage of MH talking to the media or was it only a  phone interview??   

[no rose colored glasses]

Hi Monkeys,
I've been lurking but now have question....  Is there any video footage of MH talking to the media or was it only a  phone interview??   

WELCOME I think only phone interview, but I could be wrong.

[pink angel]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/15/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-swallowed-razor-blades-on-psych-meds/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby Swallowed Razor Blades- On Psych Meds

Wow, thanks for that. Do you know when the past suicides took place? So the grandparents have her and her child, who should not have been with Melissa, living with them, did they just repeatedly close their eyes to Melissa's issues? Cindy and George Anthony come to mind.

Her grandparents probably took them in so she wouldn't be alone with her child.

Legally there is only so much you can do with a mentally ill adult. They can be on med's but you can't make them take them. You can encourage they get help and even insist upon it but you can't if you don't have insurance most places won't keep you any length of time.

The mental health system sucks as much as the jail system that lets sex offenders back out on the street.

[klaasend]

Hi Monkeys,
I've been lurking but now have question....  Is there any video footage of MH talking to the media or was it only a  phone interview??   

I believe just a phone interview.

Edited to add:  WELCOME! 

[no rose colored glasses]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/15/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-swallowed-razor-blades-on-psych-meds/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby Swallowed Razor Blades- On Psych Meds

Wow, thanks for that. Do you know when the past suicides took place? So the grandparents have her and her child, who should not have been with Melissa, living with them, did they just repeatedly close their eyes to Melissa's issues? Cindy and George Anthony come to mind.

Her grandparents probably took them in so she wouldn't be alone with her child.

Legally there is only so much you can do with a mentally ill adult. They can be on med's but you can't make them take them. You can encourage they get help and even insist upon it but you can't if you don't have insurance most places won't keep you any length of time.

The mental health system sucks as much as the jail system that lets sex offenders back out on the street.

I sure am with you on that. And the stigma of mental health issues, is another issue. All so infuriating.

[Wyks]

Serenity, I found your reading to be very interesting!  Thank you for sharing your info with us.  I'm glad you joined! 

Have seen your reading before, someone recently shared it with us, and sev. parts of it sure do seem to be spot on with what LE then reported. 

This part caught my attention, and I wonder if you see the coincidence:

"Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building."

It seems a coincidence to me, because in the Haleigh Cummings case, the father of Haleigh has a good friend with the last name Traylor.  Wondering if perhaps part of what you were sensing at the time of that reading, had to do with this other case as well? 

The part you've spoken of about the movie night at a church, and Sandra wanting to go see a movie, is very interesting.  Would be curious to know if Melissa had offered to take Sandra to that movie night, as a way of luring her out of the mobile home park.  ?? 
 

Someone asked me about the Haleigh Cummings case while I was trying to do the read for Sandra. I've never "looked" at the Cummings case and frankly did not KNOW about it...before this person asked. (Those aren't the kinds of news reports I pay attention to usually.)

I think Tailor or Traynor was a message on locating the town of Tracy, California. Letter "T" in the name and all that. But I will grant you that if you are tryings, psychically, to pick up on "Missing""child""female" "In the United States"...you are liable to pick up all kinds of cases before your spiritual helpers "missile lock" you on the case you WANT. Like a computer search I guess. You look for "blue cars"...you'll get millions of hits. You look for "blue cars" "train"...you'll get to see a bunch of boxcars. We got tons of missing kids in the is country. Sad to say.

I appreciate the idea of trying to lend credence to my theory that Sandra was headed to a movie night...but I think it's time to call a spade a spade and admit that I need to send my Scooby-Doo Junior Investigators ring back in shame. I got the impression of a church...then I ran with that to a movie night at a different WRONG church. I think I'm going to call "Fail!" on myself for that one and move on.

To recap....Church part: Seems to be correct. Headed to movie night: Too much Scooby Doo as a child.

Nawwww... keep your SDJ-Investigators ring.     Am thinking you are being too hard on yourself and your spiritual helpers.  You sensed sev things that were spot on and close enough to prove that you do have abilities.  So, I'm hoping that you'll continue, and with practice and fine tuning you get better and better at it all!  IMO, the best of those with these abilities always admit that they aren't able to sense things 100%, yet do the best they can. 

[pink angel]

NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/15/sandra-cantu-case-huckaby-swallowed-razor-blades-on-psych-meds/

Sandra Cantu Case: Huckaby Swallowed Razor Blades- On Psych Meds

Wow, thanks for that. Do you know when the past suicides took place? So the grandparents have her and her child, who should not have been with Melissa, living with them, did they just repeatedly close their eyes to Melissa's issues? Cindy and George Anthony come to mind.

Her grandparents probably took them in so she wouldn't be alone with her child.

Legally there is only so much you can do with a mentally ill adult. They can be on med's but you can't make them take them. You can encourage they get help and even insist upon it but you can't if you don't have insurance most places won't keep you any length of time.

The mental health system sucks as much as the jail system that lets sex offenders back out on the street.

I sure am with you on that. And the stigma of mental health issues, is another issue. All so infuriating.

If all her grandparents knew about was her being "depressed" that is one thing but if they knew about more of a mental issue than that, then they have a lot of explaining to do as why they would let her be a Sunday School teacher around other people's children.

jmo

[Wyks]

How awful for the other woman, Melissa Huckabee. The woman has two children, maybe that's where the confusion is with this Melissa thinking she had two children?

Good point, NoRose!