Natalee Case Discussion #810 3/21/09 - 3/24/09

[Keepthefaith]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD973AVB80

Aruba: New search for teen who disappeared in 2005
By DAVID McFADDEN – 35 minutes ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — The father of a U.S. teen who went missing nearly four years ago in Aruba said Sunday that a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers that have eluded the family throughout numerous false leads and fruitless searches.

Dave Holloway said tracker dog specialist Fred Golba, from Chicopee, Massachusetts, will begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. He said the tracker, who has searched for her eight times before, must be accompanied to the pond by Aruban police escorts, who delayed an anticipated weekend search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a high school graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

But Dave Holloway said a witness last year alleged that he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of the brackish pond in northwest Aruba with only one sneaker on after Natalee's disappearance. He said the witness has passed a polygraph test.

"I've been looking for (nearly) four years and I intend to search all the evidence and every lead," said Holloway, speaking to The Associated Press from his home in Meridian, Mississippi. "(The witness) saw what he saw — or he believed he saw what he saw."

Sections of the remote pond area have been searched previously and no evidence was ever found.

Holloway said he had been waiting for the retention pond to dry up before commissioning this latest search, "but the weather has not been cooperative."

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said neither police nor prosecutors have any new information in the case, but they gave Dave Holloway permission to search the pond, which is about a kilometer (mile) away from where she was last seen.

Before he left for Aruba on Friday, Golba told Fox 25 television in Boston that he planned to stick his hands into the pond's muddy bottom and feel around for "bones and his sneaker" while his tracking dog searches the marshy scrubland.

"I have more confidence in this pond then anything I have done in eight trips to this island," Golba told the TV station.

In early January, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office was "approaching the end of this lengthy investigation" and appealed to the public for help.

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THE POND HAS BEEN DRY BEFORE,SEARCHED BEFORE,SIDE-SCANNED SONARED...BUT NOTHING..WHY WOULD THERE NOW BE SOMETHING THERE??

[MuffyBee]

Good night to all the monkeys heading to the bunkey. 

[hotping]

Good Night Again!

[Keepthefaith]

Good Night Again!

GoodNight again Hotping!

[Lifesong]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD973AVB80

Aruba: New search for teen who disappeared in 2005
By DAVID McFADDEN – 35 minutes ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — The father of a U.S. teen who went missing nearly four years ago in Aruba said Sunday that a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers that have eluded the family throughout numerous false leads and fruitless searches.

Dave Holloway said tracker dog specialist Fred Golba, from Chicopee, Massachusetts, will begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. He said the tracker, who has searched for her eight times before, must be accompanied to the pond by Aruban police escorts, who delayed an anticipated weekend search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a high school graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

But Dave Holloway said a witness last year alleged that he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of the brackish pond in northwest Aruba with only one sneaker on after Natalee's disappearance. He said the witness has passed a polygraph test.

"I've been looking for (nearly) four years and I intend to search all the evidence and every lead," said Holloway, speaking to The Associated Press from his home in Meridian, Mississippi. "(The witness) saw what he saw — or he believed he saw what he saw."

Sections of the remote pond area have been searched previously and no evidence was ever found.

Holloway said he had been waiting for the retention pond to dry up before commissioning this latest search, "but the weather has not been cooperative."

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said neither police nor prosecutors have any new information in the case, but they gave Dave Holloway permission to search the pond, which is about a kilometer (mile) away from where she was last seen.

Before he left for Aruba on Friday, Golba told Fox 25 television in Boston that he planned to stick his hands into the pond's muddy bottom and feel around for "bones and his sneaker" while his tracking dog searches the marshy scrubland.

"I have more confidence in this pond then anything I have done in eight trips to this island," Golba told the TV station.

In early January, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office was "approaching the end of this lengthy investigation" and appealed to the public for help.

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THE POND HAS BEEN DRY BEFORE,SEARCHED BEFORE,SIDE-SCANNED SONARED...BUT NOTHING..WHY WOULD THERE NOW BE SOMETHING THERE??

I know, right? 

Still....why am I hoping this is it? 


Goodnight Hotping, TM, ArtColley and anyone else I've missed!

[Keepthefaith]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD973AVB80

Aruba: New search for teen who disappeared in 2005
By DAVID McFADDEN – 35 minutes ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — The father of a U.S. teen who went missing nearly four years ago in Aruba said Sunday that a private investigator will scour a retention pond for answers that have eluded the family throughout numerous false leads and fruitless searches.

Dave Holloway said tracker dog specialist Fred Golba, from Chicopee, Massachusetts, will begin his latest search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance early Monday. He said the tracker, who has searched for her eight times before, must be accompanied to the pond by Aruban police escorts, who delayed an anticipated weekend search.

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a high school graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

But Dave Holloway said a witness last year alleged that he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of the brackish pond in northwest Aruba with only one sneaker on after Natalee's disappearance. He said the witness has passed a polygraph test.

"I've been looking for (nearly) four years and I intend to search all the evidence and every lead," said Holloway, speaking to The Associated Press from his home in Meridian, Mississippi. "(The witness) saw what he saw — or he believed he saw what he saw."

Sections of the remote pond area have been searched previously and no evidence was ever found.

Holloway said he had been waiting for the retention pond to dry up before commissioning this latest search, "but the weather has not been cooperative."

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, said neither police nor prosecutors have any new information in the case, but they gave Dave Holloway permission to search the pond, which is about a kilometer (mile) away from where she was last seen.

Before he left for Aruba on Friday, Golba told Fox 25 television in Boston that he planned to stick his hands into the pond's muddy bottom and feel around for "bones and his sneaker" while his tracking dog searches the marshy scrubland.

"I have more confidence in this pond then anything I have done in eight trips to this island," Golba told the TV station.

In early January, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office was "approaching the end of this lengthy investigation" and appealed to the public for help.

Bump

THE POND HAS BEEN DRY BEFORE,SEARCHED BEFORE,SIDE-SCANNED SONARED...BUT NOTHING..WHY WOULD THERE NOW BE SOMETHING THERE??

I know, right? 

Still....why am I hoping this is it? 


Goodnight Hotping, TM, ArtColley and anyone else I've missed!

I hope it is for Dave and Beth..But also for Caps,Silvetti,Schaefer,as well as Kingman..This has the potential to be the catalyst to bring some to justice..That would be my hope!With what we at SM have been going over for quite sometime,if they find remains related to Natalee Holloway..I would hate to be anyone related to that witness!!JMOO

[Lifesong]

THE POND HAS BEEN DRY BEFORE,SEARCHED BEFORE,SIDE-SCANNED SONARED...BUT NOTHING..WHY WOULD THERE NOW BE SOMETHING THERE??

I know, right? 

Still....why am I hoping this is it? 


Goodnight Hotping, TM, ArtColley and anyone else I've missed!

I hope it is for Dave and Beth..But also for Caps,Silvetti,Schaefer,as well as Kingman..This has the potential to be the catalyst to bring some to justice..That would be my hope!With what we at SM have been going over for quite sometime,if they find remains related to Natalee Holloway..I would hate to be anyone related to that witness!!JMOO

You got that right, my friend!

[Keepthefaith]

THE POND HAS BEEN DRY BEFORE,SEARCHED BEFORE,SIDE-SCANNED SONARED...BUT NOTHING..WHY WOULD THERE NOW BE SOMETHING THERE??

I know, right? 

Still....why am I hoping this is it? 


Goodnight Hotping, TM, ArtColley and anyone else I've missed!

I hope it is for Dave and Beth..But also for Caps,Silvetti,Schaefer,as well as Kingman..This has the potential to be the catalyst to bring some to justice..That would be my hope!With what we at SM have been going over for quite sometime,if they find remains related to Natalee Holloway..I would hate to be anyone related to that witness!!JMOO

You got that right, my friend!

Tomorrow is a new day..I also think,even if they don't find remains,much information can be gleamed from the people involved with this search...Ohhh how i'd like to know the players,as well as the conversations that led up the the search...

[billb's daughter]

I've been gone all day (OKIE State - no more  )

So---- Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba came up empty handed???? 

Wreck - Looks like ALE delayed the search - no explanation given.  There was an article posted earlier...  Will see if I can find it and bump it forward for you...

ALE had to take time to get the baggie's over to the pond.....took them more than a year to decide if they should keep the remains recovered by their divers on Jan 7, 2008, in the baggies, or place them in the pond...not too deep though, because they don't want to be out of the reach of Freddie's arm..
If freddie discovers Natalee's remains...what a crock of $hit!
We won't but it aruba!

[Keepthefaith]

I've been gone all day (OKIE State - no more  )

So---- Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba came up empty handed???? 

Wreck - Looks like ALE delayed the search - no explanation given.  There was an article posted earlier...  Will see if I can find it and bump it forward for you...

ALE had to take time to get the baggie's over to the pond.....took them more than a year to decide if they should keep the remains recovered by their divers on Jan 7, 2008, in the baggies, or place them in the pond...not too deep though, because they don't want to be out of the reach of Freddie's arm..
If freddie discovers Natalee's remains...what a crock of $hit!
We won't but it aruba!

BillB..Will you plaese calm down for petes sake!

[finngirl]

from the wayback machine in my mind
and I don't remember who shared it via PM/email:

the chatter was that Golba was unethical,
that he was strong-arming donations from locals

he was thrown off/made to leave certain properties

at the time we didn't know what to think,
sorta saw it as part of the disinformation campaign ...
and IIRC it wasn't referenced anywhere by MSM

but now, w/ the laughable circumstances re this latest search,
that very early info does indeed sound reliable

Your thoughts are always appreciated!

TY ... altho my thoughts occur less often these days, LOL

g'night to everyone

[Port Valerie]

Some of you seem to be concerned about the guests in the rafters.  Do not forget that a lot of them can be SM members who for various reasons do not choose to log in at that particular time.  In my case my daily routine has altered greatly in the past few months so that it is almost impossible for me to follow threads consistently and it is easier to be here as a guest whenever possible so that continual interruptions do not necessitate my logging in and out like a yo-yo.  When I have something worthwhile to say (in my mind anyway) I will log in when convenient and post.

There is little to comment on most times as this case has become almost stagnant - probably like the body of water that is being searched according to the latest reports.  However that does not mean that our loyalty to Natalee's family is any less than it was in the beginning and if any news should eventuate we will be the first ones here to celebrate. 

And a word of advice to those newcomers who are trying to assimilate all the information on this case : the only truth that we know is that Natalee went to Aruba, was seen leaving Carlos'n'Charlies with the three goons, and has never be seen or heard from since.  Those of us who have followed this case for nearly four years know that all else beyond that point is theory, conjecture, supposition, wild ideas and corruption.

Not to worry, Tibro...

Some of us spent years in the rafters!





 

Good one. I'm there.

[Keepthefaith]

from the wayback machine in my mind
and I don't remember who shared it via PM/email:

the chatter was that Golba was unethical,
that he was strong-arming donations from locals

he was thrown off/made to leave certain properties

at the time we didn't know what to think,
sorta saw it as part of the disinformation campaign ...
and IIRC it wasn't referenced anywhere by MSM

but now, w/ the laughable circumstances re this latest search,
that very early info does indeed sound reliable

Your thoughts are always appreciated!

TY ... altho my thoughts occur less often these days, LOL

g'night to everyone

Goodnight Finngirl!

[billb's daughter]

I've been gone all day (OKIE State - no more  )

So---- Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba came up empty handed???? 

Wreck - Looks like ALE delayed the search - no explanation given.  There was an article posted earlier...  Will see if I can find it and bump it forward for you...

ALE had to take time to get the baggie's over to the pond.....took them more than a year to decide if they should keep the remains recovered by their divers on Jan 7, 2008, in the baggies, or place them in the pond...not too deep though, because they don't want to be out of the reach of Freddie's arm..
If freddie discovers Natalee's remains...what a crock of $hit!
We won't buy it aruba!

Edited to: buy...

[Keepthefaith]

                            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                           KEEPTHEFAITH

[Port Valerie]

Happy Birthday, OS. Like everyone else, I hope this search gets results.

(At this hour, Fox website has the headline wrong. Says Natalee's father is going to Aruba. Underlying story is the same as above, from AP. I'm sure Fox will correct its headline very soon.)

[billb's daughter]

I've been gone all day (OKIE State - no more  )

So---- Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba came up empty handed???? 

Wreck - Looks like ALE delayed the search - no explanation given.  There was an article posted earlier...  Will see if I can find it and bump it forward for you...

ALE had to take time to get the baggie's over to the pond.....took them more than a year to decide if they should keep the remains recovered by their divers on Jan 7, 2008, in the baggies, or place them in the pond...not too deep though, because they don't want to be out of the reach of Freddie's arm..
If freddie discovers Natalee's remains...what a crock of $hit!
We won't but it aruba!

BillB..Will you please calm down for petes sake!

Hey,
I'm working on my stackaholism...it's a 405 step process, gosh darn it.
I fixed your plaese above...I'm getting better...right?
Who's petes sake?

[Port Valerie]

Yep, now the Fox website headline is corrected. If there''s a rumor tomorrow that Dave Holloway is going, this is how it started.

[Keepthefaith]

I've been gone all day (OKIE State - no more  )

So---- Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba came up empty handed???? 

Wreck - Looks like ALE delayed the search - no explanation given.  There was an article posted earlier...  Will see if I can find it and bump it forward for you...

ALE had to take time to get the baggie's over to the pond.....took them more than a year to decide if they should keep the remains recovered by their divers on Jan 7, 2008, in the baggies, or place them in the pond...not too deep though, because they don't want to be out of the reach of Freddie's arm..
If freddie discovers Natalee's remains...what a crock of $hit!
We won't but it aruba!

BillB..Will you please calm down for petes sake!

Hey,
I'm working on my stackaholism...it's a 405 step process, gosh darn it.
I fixed your plaese above...I'm getting better...right?
Who's petes sake?

Didn't know if you were gonna make it..I do understand you reeadd slowww!

[Keepthefaith]

                            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                           KEEPTHEFAITH

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