Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 - 12/17/08

[MumInOhio]

Been reading from Joran's book excerpts:

page 1 from Ramm at BFN:

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island (civil ceremony).

Joran also makes a comment about not being confirmed.  I think that is when the Dutch acquire "godparents".  Maybe Joran does not have a "real" godfather...in the church kind of way.


From Scared Monkeys (?by Hannie):

At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone


Now, I find that interesting.  Joran says he left but other people and Madison saw Paulus...

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.



I don't remember discussing the above.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

Thanks Buckeye...

According to Janet's calculations on the previous page Joran turned 3 in August of 1990. He wasn't 2 in 1991...I stand by my hours of checking into this that they moved in 1990.

The casino...I had not read that this way before...

FBI Protected Witness...This one has always bothered me...An FBI witness has to be an American.

[MumInOhio]

Netherland Minister Criticizes Former Aruba Police Commish Over Holloway Case     
   
CaribWorldNews, LONDON, England, Mon. Dec. 15, 2008: A Dutch minister claims Aruba`s former police commissioner hindered the investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway.

Minister Ank Bijleveld, state secretary for Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations, told news agency ANP that Jan van der Straten, who was police commissioner on the Caribbean island when the US teenager disappeared in 2005, was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran.

Joran van der Sloot has been suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Holloway. Minister Bijleveld also said Aruba’s justice minister Rudy Croes should begin an immediate investigation to determine if his claims about police interference in the investigation of the disappearance of Holloway are true.

Croes has announced an independent probe into the early stages of the police investigation regarding the disappearance.

http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=1824

i am a bit surprised how slow the American media is picking up on this.

caesu

All the big networks were in Aruba.  They didn't make up what they reported.  They are legitimate agencies that were fed lies and misinformation that was hard to corroborate.

My guess is that they are not impressed with Aruba investigating Aruba.  They all understand the island.  It would only be news if an actual independent investigation was going to take place.  Heck, I don't even know who's going to investigate. 

What exactly is there to report?

Strategic Task Force was in place as early as June 6th...read that in the Important Documents thread yesterday under Cohen' partner Di Lello...whatever...

Jairo was telling posters on the FP around 6/11 to watch MSNBC as they had a partner station on the island with good investigative reporters.

Geraldo was out by 6/14 with his revelations of a porn movie and the ATM transactions and after that there was a concentrated effort to discredit CNN and Fox.

Even Simian jumped on that bandwagon.

[Buckeye]

Strategic Task Force was in place as early as June 6th...read that in the Important Documents thread yesterday under Cohen' partner Di Lello...whatever...

Jairo was telling posters on the FP around 6/11 to watch MSNBC as they had a partner station on the island with good investigative reporters.

Geraldo was out by 6/14 with his revelations of a porn movie and the ATM transactions and after that there was a concentrated effort to discredit CNN and Fox.

Even Simian jumped on that bandwagon.

Exactly.  And, John Pauley, spokesman for the prosecutor was with Cohen at Joran's release.  He is also the one that penned the lawsuit threat against Greta.

The US media will pick up this story when it is more than a "story".  They learned the hard way to wait for something official and not to quote "officials".

[Blonde]

Been reading from Joran's book excerpts:

page 1 from Ramm at BFN:

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island (civil ceremony).

Joran also makes a comment about not being confirmed.  I think that is when the Dutch acquire "godparents".  Maybe Joran does not have a "real" godfather...in the church kind of way.


From Scared Monkeys (?by Hannie):

At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone


Now, I find that interesting.  Joran says he left but other people and Madison saw Paulus...

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.



I don't remember discussing the above.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

I had this saved
From Joran's diary (the one hacked by sandrak)....possible info before the "cleanup" for the book?).

When we got to the hotel it was already close to 4:00 a.m. and Natalee’s whole family was already there asking people if they had seen Natalee. Charles Croes a man that was with the family then came to me and introduced himslef in papiamento (the local language on the island).

We talked for a while in papiamento and he told me I was in a lot of trouble, and he pointed to a car where Beth Twitty was sitting in the back holding a picture of her daughter. I went to the car and tried to talk with Beth but all she said was you know where my daughter is, get away!

Why speak in a language that the family cannot understand when everyone understands English?

I then turned my attention to Deepak and my dad who were talking to the rest of the group in the lobby. A large man then approached me and said he was Agent Smitt from the US Embassy. He asked me to tell him exactly what happened that night and I told him that Natalee had asked me to go to Carlos and Charlies with her and that it was her last night....
...Agent Smitt then took down some notes and one of the local police officers asked if he could talk to him. Smitt agreed and together they walked away from the group.

...Charles Croes then gave me his phone number and said if I remember anything to please call him. Agent Smitt and the local police officer returned they shook hands and Deepak, my dad, and I stepped in the Police car. On the drive back to my house the officer that had spoken to Agent Smitt said that he had told him that the girl was probaly a run away and that she will probaly turn up in a day or two. He also told us that Agent Smitt had told him she was from a wealthy family.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0
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[MumInOhio]

Been reading from Joran's book excerpts:

page 1 from Ramm at BFN:

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island (civil ceremony).

Joran also makes a comment about not being confirmed.  I think that is when the Dutch acquire "godparents".  Maybe Joran does not have a "real" godfather...in the church kind of way.


From Scared Monkeys (?by Hannie):

At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone


Now, I find that interesting.  Joran says he left but other people and Madison saw Paulus...

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.



I don't remember discussing the above.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

I had this saved
From Joran's diary (the one hacked by sandrak)....possible info before the "cleanup" for the book?).

When we got to the hotel it was already close to 4:00 a.m. and Natalee’s whole family was already there asking people if they had seen Natalee. Charles Croes a man that was with the family then came to me and introduced himslef in papiamento (the local language on the island).

We talked for a while in papiamento and he told me I was in a lot of trouble, and he pointed to a car where Beth Twitty was sitting in the back holding a picture of her daughter. I went to the car and tried to talk with Beth but all she said was you know where my daughter is, get away!

Why speak in a language that the family cannot understand when everyone understands English?

I then turned my attention to Deepak and my dad who were talking to the rest of the group in the lobby. A large man then approached me and said he was Agent Smitt from the US Embassy. He asked me to tell him exactly what happened that night and I told him that Natalee had asked me to go to Carlos and Charlies with her and that it was her last night....
...Agent Smitt then took down some notes and one of the local police officers asked if he could talk to him. Smitt agreed and together they walked away from the group.

...Charles Croes then gave me his phone number and said if I remember anything to please call him. Agent Smitt and the local police officer returned they shook hands and Deepak, my dad, and I stepped in the Police car. On the drive back to my house the officer that had spoken to Agent Smitt said that he had told him that the girl was probaly a run away and that she will probaly turn up in a day or two. He also told us that Agent Smitt had told him she was from a wealthy family.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0
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Thanks Blonde...Have been looking for US Embassy Agent Smitt.  The DEA agent in Curacao at the time was Gary Tenant, Thanks Pita, who started the purchase of a house stateside in June 2005. His move was approved early in 2006. He had to pay his own moving expenses as he signed on the house without an authorized move. Out of Barbados was Hollis Williams...he died sometime late 2005 or early 2006 in Virginia of a heart attack. Also have something where he was associated with Curacao and Grenada.  He worked a lot of undercover jobs before this. Interesting cases...some of them.

Will keep looking for Smitt and Eric Williams...

[RoxiBalboa]

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Greta is taking a poll on what Topic interests you most. Right now Caylee Anythony is the top vote getter, understandably so. Please go vote for Natalee, just incase it will help in getting her to do more coverage.

[Pita]

Any relation to Guido Wever???

http://www.wevermarine.com/client-list/

WEVER MARINE & AGENCY SERVICES N.V. 
 
Business address STUYVESANTSTRAAT 13, SAN NICOLAS ZUID 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  WEVER MARINE & AGENCY SERVICES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  20 AUGUST 2001 
         
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
WEVER, DAVID ANTHONY; 
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 4-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 10 MARCH 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  20 AUGUST 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER-TROMP, ANGELE LUDMILLA; 
Residing in  ROOI KOCHI 44-N, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 SEPTEMBER 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  20 AUGUST 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER, MYRON AMBROSIO; 
Residing in  ROOI KOCHI 44-N, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 31 MARCH 1974 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  20 AUGUST 2001 
Authority  FULL 


OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. TO ACT AS REPRESENTATIVE OF SHIP-OWNERS, SHIPPING COMPANIES, AND
CHARTERING BROKER.
B. TO ACT AS SHIPPING AGENT AND SHIPCHANDLER, AS WELL AS THE DISPATCHING OF
SHIPS.
C. TO CLEAR IN, CLEARANCE OUTWARDS, STORING AND PACKAGING OF GOODS, AS WELL
AS TO TRANSPORT OR HAVE TO TRANSPORT GOODS.
D. UNDER ONE'S NAME OR FOR THE EXPENSE OF THIRD PARTIES THE IMPORT, EXPORT
AND TRANSIT OF GOODS AND TO RENDER RELATED SERVICES IN AND OUTSIDE THE
HARBOUR. 

[texasmom]

Netherland Minister Criticizes Former Aruba Police Commish Over Holloway Case     
   
CaribWorldNews, LONDON, England, Mon. Dec. 15, 2008: A Dutch minister claims Aruba`s former police commissioner hindered the investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway.

Minister Ank Bijleveld, state secretary for Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations, told news agency ANP that Jan van der Straten, who was police commissioner on the Caribbean island when the US teenager disappeared in 2005, was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran.

Joran van der Sloot has been suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Holloway. Minister Bijleveld also said Aruba’s justice minister Rudy Croes should begin an immediate investigation to determine if his claims about police interference in the investigation of the disappearance of Holloway are true.

Croes has announced an independent probe into the early stages of the police investigation regarding the disappearance.

http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=1824

i am a bit surprised how slow the American media is picking up on this.

caesu

All the big networks were in Aruba.  They didn't make up what they reported.  They are legitimate agencies that were fed lies and misinformation that was hard to corroborate.

My guess is that they are not impressed with Aruba investigating Aruba.  They all understand the island.  It would only be news if an actual independent investigation was going to take place.  Heck, I don't even know who's going to investigate. 

What exactly is there to report?

Buckeye,
You stated my thoughts exactly! 

[truthseeker2]

Janet,

Would you be able to put your reminder into a short summary.  I followed all of that when it was happening.  What is it that you want to remind us of?

Just scroll by.

In 3 1/2 years I have never asked another poster to supply a short summary rather than quotting his/her research that pertains to the discussion at hand and ... looking back at this thread in never have you.

Janet

Why is that a problem?

I could go back and post every single quote from every single transcript from every single source and call it a reminder.

I keep all options open until the truth is revealed...including taking a second look at those we hoped we could trust. You posted "Reminders" containing Jossy quotes.  Good enough, I suppose...I can only surmise that you are trying to tell me that I should support Jossy because of those statements he made.  If that is what you would have someone infer from your post, well... I hope you are right...but, I will keep an open mind...about all of the people who have been involved in this.   Sometimes an open mind leads you to question what you saw or heard...even though it looked or sounded right the first time.

Sorry if you were offended.  I have no problem with asking or providing summaries.  I can scroll by yours.  No problem.  But, your type of response is one of the reasons I do not post as often as some others.  Who needs it?

[Blonde]

Snip from Joran's book

I then turned my attention to Deepak and my dad who were talking to the rest of the group in the lobby. A large man then approached me and said he was Agent Smitt from the US Embassy. He asked me to tell him exactly what happened that night and I told him that Natalee had asked me to go to Carlos and Charlies with her and that it was her last night.

I also told him that at carlos and charlies she was yelling for me to come and dance with her but that I rejected her and went to the bar to buy a drink for me and my friends, and that at one point she came grabbed my hand and took me to the bar to take jellyshots out of her bellybuton.

I then told him that at closing time Natalee asked if she could leave with us and I said sure. After having a short relationship with her, we dropped her off at her hotel in front of the lobby.

Agent Smitt then took down some notes and one of the local police officers asked if he could talk to him. Smitt agreed and together they walked away from the group.

After standing alone a while I saw my dad, Deepak and the woman claiming to be an FBI agent talking to the hotel manager and I walked up to them. The woman was yelling at the hotel manager and screaming don’t you have any video cameras here? I saw a video camera at the hotel lobby desk and said there is one, evryone looked at the camera but the Hotel manager quickly cut us short and said that the camera was not working and that even if it was working it only has sight on the front desk.

It was probaly close to 5:00 am already and my dad said we really had to leave since I had school the next day. Before leaving the family asked us one more time to explain what happened, and Deepak jumped in by saying that when we dropped her off at the lobby there was a security guard dressed in black with a wakie-talkie that walked up to Natalee as she was aproaching the lobby.

Natalee’s family then asked me if I to had seen the security guard, and not wanting to get anyone in trouble I said no I did not see anyone but if Deepak says there was a security guard then there was one.

Charles Croes then gave me his phone number and said if I remember anything to please call him. Agent Smitt and the local police officer returned they shook hands and Deepak, my dad, and I stepped in the Police car. On the drive back to my house the officer that had spoken to Agent Smitt said that he had told him that the girl was probaly a run away and that she will probaly turn up in a day or two. He also told us that Agent Smitt had told him she was from a wealthy family.

Arriving at my house I said bye to Deepak and he left in his car and me and my dad walked to my room. I was obviously very tired but my dad insisted I go to school so I decided it was better not to go to sleep and just get ready for school since it was 5:30 a.m. allready. I got dressed and packed my bag for school.

[SS]

I personally feel that all of the powerful people on Aruba know exactly what happened to Natalee that night.  It's their business to know that information and their survival as a powerful person depends on having that information.  That is not to say that all were directly or indirectly involved.  I think that many remain silent for their own personal reasons and some have come forward for reasons that probably range from honest empathy to political or personal agendas.  Some have come forward, as we know, to provide misinformation and protect the perpetrators.  Some have been extremely helpful to Natalee's cause.   Aruba has an unquestionable reputation for graft, corruption, drugs, prostitution, money laundering, etc.  Some people are very involved with these activities and some might have marginal involvement.  Regardless, I don't feel that anyone is above our scrutiny at this point.  Sadly, some of those we have intially trusted have proven to be less than honorable.  Case in point is a recent revelation.  I personally feel that if we ever hope to find the answers to Natalee's disappearance, we need to follow whatever direction the questions lead us.  It's been three and a half years and although we have learned much about that fateful night and the probable players involved, Natalee's murder remains unsolved and her location unknown.  There are many on Aruba who know exactly what happened and we need to continue to push for the truth.

[truthseeker2]

I personally feel that all of the powerful people on Aruba know exactly what happened to Natalee that night.  It's their business to know that information and their survival as a powerful person depends on having that information.  That is not to say that all were directly or indirectly involved.  I think that many remain silent for their own personal reasons and some have come forward for reasons that probably range from honest empathy to political or personal agendas.  Some have come forward, as we know, to provide misinformation and protect the perpetrators.  Some have been extremely helpful to Natalee's cause.   Aruba has an unquestionable reputation for graft, corruption, drugs, prostitution, money laundering, etc.  Some people are very involved with these activities and some might have marginal involvement.  Regardless, I don't feel that anyone is above our scrutiny at this point.  Sadly, some of those we have intially trusted have proven to be less than honorable.  Case in point is a recent revelation.  I personally feel that if we ever hope to find the answers to Natalee's disappearance, we need to follow whatever direction the questions lead us.  It's been three and a half years and although we have learned much about that fateful night and the probable players involved, Natalee's murder remains unsolved and her location unknown.  There are many on Aruba who know exactly what happened and we need to continue to push for the truth.

 I agree.

Have you seen Kermit around?

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

Would you be able to put your reminder into a short summary.  I followed all of that when it was happening.  What is it that you want to remind us of?

Just scroll by.

In 3 1/2 years I have never asked another poster to supply a short summary rather than quotting his/her research that pertains to the discussion at hand and ... looking back at this thread in never have you.

Janet

Why is that a problem?

I could go back and post every single quote from every single transcript from every single source and call it a reminder.

I keep all options open until the truth is revealed...including taking a second look at those we hoped we could trust. You posted "Reminders" containing Jossy quotes.  Good enough, I suppose...I can only surmise that you are trying to tell me that I should support Jossy because of those statements he made.  If that is what you would have someone infer from your post, well... I hope you are right...but, I will keep an open mind...about all of the people who have been involved in this.   Sometimes an open mind leads you to question what you saw or heard...even though it looked or sounded right the first time.

Sorry if you were offended.  I have no problem with asking or providing summaries.  I can scroll by yours.  No problem.  But, your type of response is one of the reasons I do not post as often as some others.  Who needs it?

It was my determination that the direction the topic of discussion was headed ... it was important that the forum was given a "REMINDER" regarding the words of only Aruban that has publicly supported the family of Natalee Holloway in the  contention that a corrupt investigation is preventing justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen.

In my opinion ... a short summary would not suffice ... Jossy's own words was where it was at.

Now I do believe I will read through Blonde's quote ... not short summary ... from Joran's book ... a book I have not thought about in a long time.  Then I will review the quotes  and short summaries on this thread pertaining to this topic ... quotes and short summaries contributed by others.

Janet

[truthseeker2]

Whatever.    

[wreck]

Just because Beth and and Dave have said they appreciated Jossy doesn't automatically make Jossy above reproach. Jossy talks a good game, but rarely follows through. I really think his "revelations" have been in reality - diversions. Sorry, I call 'em as i see 'em.

[hotping]

I never said that I totally agree with Janets Reminders I just said Thanks......I agree with SS in Her above post.....lots of people on that island know exactly what happened that night.....We just need someone to tell the Truth and Nothing but the Truth.....  Who knows if that will ever happen but I tend to believe that it will all come out one day.....     

[Tamikosmom]

Just because Beth and and Dave have said they appreciated Jossy doesn't automatically make Jossy above reproach. Jossy talks a good game, but rarely follows through. I really think his "revelations" have been in reality - diversions. Sorry, I call 'em as i see 'em.

wreck

I never implied that Jossy was above reproach.  The point of my REMINDER was that all aspects of this topic should be taken into consideration when Jossy's family dynamics are being dialoged.

Members of my family are individuals and ... I do not assume that they all think and act alike.

However ... until research on this topic implies otherwise ... IMO Jossy is above reproach.  I believe that is what is defined as an "open mind".

Janet

[wreck]

Just because Beth and and Dave have said they appreciated Jossy doesn't automatically make Jossy above reproach. Jossy talks a good game, but rarely follows through. I really think his "revelations" have been in reality - diversions. Sorry, I call 'em as i see 'em.

wreck

I never implied that Jossy was above reproach.  The point of my REMINDER was that all aspects of this topic should be taken into consideration when Jossy's family dynamics are being dialoged.

Members of my family are individuals and ... I do not assume that they all think and act alike.

However ... until research on this topic implies otherwise ... IMO Jossy is above reproach.  I believe that is what is defined as an "open mind".

Janet

Which is fine -- that is your OPINION. I have mine.

[caesu]

Stars of David in 'Dutch colonialism' protest

RNW News

15-12-2008

Negotiations between the Netherlands and its former colonies in the Caribbean have been marred by protests and complaints of colonialism. Reacting to a demonstration on Sunday in the Curaçao capital, Willemstad, Dutch Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs, Ank Bijleveld, said protesters had gone too far when they wore Stars of David. "That's totally inappropriate," she told NOS television in response to the use of the Jewish symbol.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/081215-antilles-protest

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER

JOSSY MANSUR

Support for the family of Natalee Holloway has not come without cost for Jossy Mansur.  Oduber called for a boycott of Diario and ... instructed all government workers to cancel subscriptions to the publication.  Did Oduber's action succeed in silencing Jossy ... stiffling freedom of speech?  NO WAY!!!  Jossy was further motivated to tell it how it was and ... Oduber was a happy camper.

Name ONE other Aruba ....

Janet

++++++++

Diario Editorial: A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT … Anti-American too

“What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening ...

... put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries …”

We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti-Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/16/diario-editorial-a-traitor-and-his-anti-aruban-government-anti-american-too/


Amigoe, April 4, 2007: Diario turns to Queen

ORANJESTAD - In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ’safeguard our constitutional rights’.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/06/aruba-hypocrites-mep-oduber-call-for-call-for-boycott-of-diario/


Amigoe, June 29, 2007: Oduber looses case against Diario

“I have lost enough time in this case already. It has become clear to me that everybody can publish anything they want about the government, and not be prosecuted. We have actually been outlawed.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/aruban-prime-minister-in-defeat-still-does-not-understand-freedom-of-the-press-oduber-loses-to-diario/