Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 - 6/30/08

[always 1]

But didnt Obama reject his Pastor??? 

[klaasend]

But didnt Obama reject his Pastor??? 

Yes and I'd appreciate NOT turning this thread into a US Political debate thread.  TIA

[private eye]

Matthew 18 where the shepherd leaves his 99 sheep to go out and find the one that was missing.  Our lamb is still missing.  Lets put her back on the front page, lets talk to Obana and Hillery and McClain....and shout to the roofstops until something is done....

The Reynolds were blessed, truly blessed, with the addition of three to their family, each the greatest of their individual "rings" on the ladder, 2 babies and a daughter in law/ sister in law, so their flock has grown as have their blessings.

But Natalee will never be left out to dry, never be left unaccounted for. They know where they can get absolute answers, quickly and with certainty. They will get that final accounting, hopefully from the justice system. And with the hand of God driving the supporters of Beth, that accounting is surely coming soon. Beth knows what she needs to know today, that Natalee died. She is patiently waiting on the justice system to tell her the entire story.

I am impatiently waiting:) I don't believe a spineless spoiled punk deserves to hold the masses up while he decides when he wants to tell us the details, and I don't believe it does the spineless punk any good to allow him to behave in such a self centered fashion. Barring a successful intervention by someone, Joran will surely die a death complicated by HIV, Hepatitis C, and possibly drug related violence or overdose, and will create a significant number of victims, possibly including his 2 little brothers.

[always 1]

Im sorry Klaas - just trying to rally the troops

[SS]

This picture was given to us a few months ago as a "Satish look-a-like"

[caesu]

on Curaçao things are turning ugly.

after a political demonstration against dutch influence on the island a mob started atacking white dutchies.
several wounded and had to go to hospital.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/1386895/__Nederlanders_gebeten_hond__.html?p=2,1

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5852590/Curaao-clamps-down-on-antiDutch-protests

[Rob]

does anyone have the Bubali Police Station number handy (so I don't have to look it up?) Someone from the MSM is very interested in the two newest assaults.

[Blonde]

This picture was given to us a few months ago as a "Satish look-a-like"

NO WAY 

[Rob]

I used the KPA site and got the info - thanks anyway.

[Tamikosmom]

Matthew 18 where the shepherd leaves his 99 sheep to go out and find the one that was missing.  Our lamb is still missing.  Lets put her back on the front page, lets talk to Obana and Hillery and McClain....and shout to the roofstops until something is done....

Obamma's pastor was the one who ranted about people caring about the white girl who gave it up in Aruba. That white girl was Natalee.

 

PI ... Barack Obama considered Jeremiah Wright a "pastor, counsellor, friend and great leader" for over twenty-years ... twenty years that Obama held membership at Trinity United Church of Christ.

Wright was afforded the coveted position of "Spiritual Advisor" of Obama's campaign.  It was not until earlier this year that Obama disassociated himself with TUCC and Jeremiah Wright.

Janet
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ELECTION 2008
Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says
January 28, 2005

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887

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BARACK OBAMA: "MY PASTOR, COUNSELLOR, FRIEND AND GREAT LEADER"
June 5, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzHQ_PC1uI&feature=related

[Rob]

on Curaçao things are turning ugly.

after a political demonstration against dutch influence on the island a mob started atacking white dutchies.
several wounded and had to go to hospital.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/1386895/__Nederlanders_gebeten_hond__.html?p=2,1

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5852590/Curaao-clamps-down-on-antiDutch-protests

caesu, just wanted to say I think this is terrible. Mob violence rarely ever solves anything, unless your last name is Mussolini.

[private eye]

Matthew 18 where the shepherd leaves his 99 sheep to go out and find the one that was missing.  Our lamb is still missing.  Lets put her back on the front page, lets talk to Obana and Hillery and McClain....and shout to the roofstops until something is done....

Obamma's pastor was the one who ranted about people caring about the white girl who gave it up in Aruba. That white girl was Natalee.

 

PI ... Barack Obama considered Jeremiah Wright a "pastor, counsellor, friend and great leader" for over twenty-years ... twenty years that Obama held membership at Trinity United Church of Christ.

Wright was afforded the coveted position of "Spiritual Advisor" of Obama's campaign.  It was not until earlier this year that Obama disassociated himself with TUCC and Jeremiah Wright.

Janet
___________

ELECTION 2008
Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says
January 28, 2005

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

<snipped>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887

+++++++++

BARACK OBAMA: "MY PASTOR, COUNSELLOR, FRIEND AND GREAT LEADER"
June 5, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzHQ_PC1uI&feature=related

I not only whole heartedly support and agree with Klassen, even if I didn't I do mind her, so either way:))))

My goal was to develop a strategy to get her discussed in the presidntial race, period.

[Tamikosmom]

thanks Janet !

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Johan ... it was not a rumor.

Antonio Carlo was removed from the case as Joran's legal representation on June 17, 2005.  He had visited the Security Guards who had been detained as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... an infraction of Aruban law.

However ... ten days later Carlo was still Joran's attorney and ... was still representing Joran in February, 2006 ... one month following Paulus van der Sloot joining the law firm "Anthony Carlo and Richie Kock."  Richie Kock was the attorney assigned to represent Joran when Carlo was apparently removed from the case.

Americans have been told from the getgo ... they do not grasp Aruban law.  This Canadian cannot grasp it either.

Janet

You are welcome Johan.

Beth was of the opinion that Paulus van der Sloot and Antonio Carlo were the instigators in the coverup.

Janet
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Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 11, 2006

TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. It is correct, Nancy. And you know, we really weren`t surprised that they awarded Paulus this money. We go back and we remember that Paulus Van Der Sloot and Antonio Carlo have been connected since the very beginning and really just kind of running the show. I mean, the defense attorneys seemed to be running the show in Aruba last summer. So it doesn`t surprise us at all that he would prevail again here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

[bleachedblack]

Instead of cleaning up their image......which I thought might be the agenda when Cn'C's was replaced with Senior Frogs. It appears Aruba has found an equally seedy replacement ie dancers with bouncers to keep the crowds in line? Any word about the rape tied connected with Senior Frogs that we heard about last week sometime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMNjaQH6FI

[klaasend]

Instead of cleaning up their image......which I thought might be the agenda when Cn'C's was replaced with Senior Frogs. It appears Aruba has found an equally seedy replacement ie dancers with bouncers to keep the crowds in line? Any word about the rape tied connected with Senior Frogs that we heard about last week sometime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMNjaQH6FI

BB - take a look at this group of photos from Senor Frog's on 6/27.  Go to page 7-10 in particular 

http://www.mifmaruba.com/gallery.html

[Tamikosmom]

But didnt Obama reject his Pastor??? 

Yes and I'd appreciate NOT turning this thread into a US Political debate thread.  TIA

I apologize Klaas.  I responded to PI's submission prior to reading your post.

However ... as in the past ... political figures has been discussed in regards to Natalee Holloway ... an American citizen who has been denied justiced in an Aruban investigation.

Janet

[Dayhiker]

Its almost as if Aruba's tourism was created by a curtain being pulled hiding the fact that Aruba is actually no different than the barbaric South American jungle ruled by ruthless drug lords. It was never safe there, it can't be safe there, and now we know it and can no longer pretend.

that's why I say it's not a good mix for Americans.

Say for instance you are from La Paz Bolivia - do you think the citizens there would be in much of an uproar over this?? Those folks are worried about eating - most don't even know what the internet is, let alone have a computer. Or the resources for a trip to Aruba. It's a different mind set and one that is not a (how should I say it?) "sophisticated". That's probably not the exact word I was thinking of, but it kind of works.

One of the biggest problems with Aruba is their attitude that no matter what happened to the turistas, Americans would still come back. I think they learned a huge lesson, but one that probably has not really sunk in judging by the way they treated the two latest assault victims.

Aruba needs tourism as a front for the casinos to launder drug money. That is the reason they got involved in covering the crime up. No tourism cash to flush the drug money in with makes it much harder to hide. An American girl's death at the hands of a white Dutchie is bad for business, Oduber himself said it. The casinos are run by the mafia, which is more than likely the reason the Van der Sloots hired a mafia lawyer. My guess is that haven't had to pay Tacopina a dime, those checks probably came out of Chicago.

[klaasend]

But didnt Obama reject his Pastor??? 

Yes and I'd appreciate NOT turning this thread into a US Political debate thread.  TIA

I apologize Klaas.  I responded to PI's submission prior to reading your post.

However ... as in the past ... political figures has been discussed in regards to Natalee Holloway ... an American citizen who has been denied justiced in an Aruban investigation.

Janet

Yes, I know but I also know how people get when it comes to politics. 

[Dayhiker]

Instead of cleaning up their image......which I thought might be the agenda when Cn'C's was replaced with Senior Frogs. It appears Aruba has found an equally seedy replacement ie dancers with bouncers to keep the crowds in line? Any word about the rape tied connected with Senior Frogs that we heard about last week sometime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMNjaQH6FI

Isn't it amazing how that gang rape case just "disappeared" BB? They hopped on it fast, probably offering a cool million to the American victim to not press charges and keep her trap shut.

[Tamikosmom]

But didnt Obama reject his Pastor??? 

Yes and I'd appreciate NOT turning this thread into a US Political debate thread.  TIA

I apologize Klaas.  I responded to PI's submission prior to reading your post.

However ... as in the past ... political figures has been discussed in regards to Natalee Holloway ... an American citizen who has been denied justiced in an Aruban investigation.

Janet

Yes, I know but I also know how people get when it comes to politics. 

 

Who???  Me???

 

Have a good day Monkeys.  Gotta go.

Janet