Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #81

[Garden Gnome]

The day I lost all respect for Lee
The Video

Why did that man take my water?  It's hot out here.

The nastiness and the need to provoke confrontation seems to run in the family IMO. Look how all of them have behaved since this started. They are the ones responsible for the fact that by this time having watched all of them operate, it's virtually impossible for most of us to work up any sympathy for any of them even if no one but Casey had anything to do with Caylee's death.

Need to provoke confrontation? I see it that he's trying to make people go home. They're the ones trying to provoke confrontation by protesting on the Ant's lawn!

Whose dog is that? Why is that dog at the Anthony house?
Yes, it's hot out. And the dog shouldn't be out there without water. But who brings their dog to sit outside someone's house protesting all day? The dog will also poop. It's a biological need. And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home.   

I have been in lots of protests, and the reaction of the Ants is very mild indeed. I've seen business owners do things like try to run protesters over in their cars. One guy ran a plough over 20 protesters on a vacant lot, another drove a riding mower at some kids. Friends of mine were in a tree that got cut down while they were in it singing, injuring 5 of them. And I myself was in a protest on a corner when I was 18, and a guy yanked my sign out of my hands and ripped it up. People are vicious to protesters. And those were people who didn't have to face the protesters 24-7.  I myself have been grossly tempted to hurl full 16-0z drinks from my car window at the Phelps family. Most peoples' reactions to protesters are FAR, FAR worse than the Ants'. I'm inclined to think, in fact, that the protesters are the main reason the Ants ended up getting spokespeople and talking to media nonstop.

The Ants had nowhere to go, to get away from the protesters.  No privacy. Protesting is a form of psychological warfare, and people are not at their best when subjected to its pressures.  Protesting is meant to make a point, and also hopefully to pressure someone into doing what you want. There was no way the Ants could do what the protesters wanted. They didn't know where Caylee was, and they couldn't make Casey talk. And until Casey is tried and proven guilty they have no obligation to say that she is. The frustration must have been unbearable.   

What I notice is that Lee didn't kick, yell at, or threaten the dog. He dumped the water out, which was a way of trying to force the dog's owner to go home, and take the dog with him. It's not like this was just some dog he saw next door and he dumped out its water. This was Lee's own nonviolent way of protesting the protest. He wanted people to go home and leave him alone, and I don't blame him. If he WERE beside himself with worry over his niece, protesters were the last thing he needed to see. As counterprotests go, it's fairly sensible and mild. Nothing's stopping the protester from taking his dog home and watering it.

I KNOW I should ignore your post as I'm sure most of the other Monkeys will, but perhaps they have more discretion than I do, but since it was directed to me, I will respond. I guess you think that those people who started a memorial to Caylee were just provoking the A's and Lee was justified in grabbing up the items they left (not on the A's lawn) because those mourners were aggravating and attempting to provoke a confrontation with the A's... Hmmmmm?

Please don't think that you are speaking for all monkeys.  We are all perfectly capable of speaking up.

Fuzzball, I agree with you.  Those protestors were there to stir the pot and they probably would not have been there if the cameras weren't rolling.  I was ashamed to be a FL residents after watching some of them!

The memorial is a totally different issue than the the protesters.  BTW, the A's didn't kill Caylee, KC did.  I am not sure YET what part they played after the fact though I seriously doubt if G or C helped bury Caylee.  Until LE brings charges and we see some of the evidence, I think the A's should be left ALONE.  Do you seriously think they did not love Caylee?  And that they are not guilt ridden?

[SunnyinTX]

Need to provoke confrontation? I see it that he's trying to make people go home. They're the ones trying to provoke confrontation by protesting on the Ant's lawn!

Whose dog is that? Why is that dog at the Anthony house?
Yes, it's hot out. And the dog shouldn't be out there without water. But who brings their dog to sit outside someone's house protesting all day? The dog will also poop. It's a biological need. And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home.   

I have been in lots of protests, and the reaction of the Ants is very mild indeed. I've seen business owners do things like try to run protesters over in their cars. One guy ran a plough over 20 protesters on a vacant lot, another drove a riding mower at some kids. Friends of mine were in a tree that got cut down while they were in it singing, injuring 5 of them. And I myself was in a protest on a corner when I was 18, and a guy yanked my sign out of my hands and ripped it up. People are vicious to protesters. And those were people who didn't have to face the protesters 24-7.  I myself have been grossly tempted to hurl full 16-0z drinks from my car window at the Phelps family. Most peoples' reactions to protesters are FAR, FAR worse than the Ants'. I'm inclined to think, in fact, that the protesters are the main reason the Ants ended up getting spokespeople and talking to media nonstop.

The Ants had nowhere to go, to get away from the protesters.  No privacy. Protesting is a form of psychological warfare, and people are not at their best when subjected to its pressures.  Protesting is meant to make a point, and also hopefully to pressure someone into doing what you want. There was no way the Ants could do what the protesters wanted. They didn't know where Caylee was, and they couldn't make Casey talk. And until Casey is tried and proven guilty they have no obligation to say that she is. The frustration must have been unbearable.   

What I notice is that Lee didn't kick, yell at, or threaten the dog. He dumped the water out, which was a way of trying to force the dog's owner to go home, and take the dog with him. It's not like this was just some dog he saw next door and he dumped out its water. This was Lee's own nonviolent way of protesting the protest. He wanted people to go home and leave him alone, and I don't blame him. If he WERE beside himself with worry over his niece, protesters were the last thing he needed to see. As counterprotests go, it's fairly sensible and mild. Nothing's stopping the protester from taking his dog home and watering it.

There are sometimes posts that I know it's best not to respond to....this is one of them

[Nut44x4]

What if Lee did something while he was conducting his own investigation to aid, abet & obstruct?  Maybe there will be more charges than just tampering with the computer. 

I still wonder about Wanda, the dog lady at the airport.  Too many intimate details that she gave.  Wonder where she heard them?

Perhaps Lee was the one making up/putting together all the Caylee sightings info for Cindy/Geo to spew.

[SunnyinTX]

And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home. 

Okay Fuzz ... I take offense at this statement.  My pink puppy poop bags (I know, pink ~ boy dog ~ he's very offended also ~ but mommy thinks they are cute ~ and mommy pays for them!)  go everywhere we go ... we even have a little leash attachment that holds five bags.

Signed:
Dog Owner

Sometimes ya can't fix stupid or stupid statements
I have the same leashes....

[NewfieMonkey]

Did ya'll see where GA & CA went to play with children at shelter and do crafts with them ... crafts that were provided by an "anonymous donor" ... I thought that was a little odd to even put in the story ... ya know ... except for the fact that IMO the As wanted everyone to think they were the "anonymous donor" ???  Trying to portray themselves in a better light perhaps?  Needless to say ~ not working with me.  Try defending the honor and life of your own granddaughter ...

I'm willing to think they just wanted a baby to play with...

You could be right.  IMO ~ if they just wanted a baby to play with they would have found a way to do it without media attention. 

I agree.....and I can't believe they wanted a baby to play with... Their grandchild's remain were just found not 1/2 miles from their home, their daughter is in jail for her murder and they are at a shelter playing with children....they are SICK....this was yet another publicity stunt...Conway is trying to change the public perception of the A's ....he is stupid to think these types of photo ops are going to replace the ones we have seen in the past six months....

I can't believe the feelings of anger that swelled up inside of me as I read your post. I knew I couldn't stand any of the appalling Ants, but didn't realize the degree of revulsion I have toward them.  There is no way on earth I would ever allow one of them to get near one of my children, yet alone touch them or pretend to play with them.  There might be one or two bleeding hearts out there to fall for another one of their con games but most people know what they are at this point.

At least the school (hidden Oaks elem.) is doing there best to help the kids who have been traumatized by this. Youd think the shelter people would care enough not to expose kids to it. its sick.

You know, I was going to say that in my post ... but thought ~ maybe that's just me ... I wouldn't let any member of that family anywhere close to my child!  Just the thought gives me the heebie jeebies!

[Wyks]

I know the truth but when I listen to KC -I almost believe her-   She lies better then I tell the truth-

Isn't this the truth!!   

[Babybear]

Did ya'll see where GA & CA went to play with children at shelter and do crafts with them ... crafts that were provided by an "anonymous donor" ... I thought that was a little odd to even put in the story ... ya know ... except for the fact that IMO the As wanted everyone to think they were the "anonymous donor" ???  Trying to portray themselves in a better light perhaps?  Needless to say ~ not working with me.  Try defending the honor and life of your own granddaughter ...

I'm willing to think they just wanted a baby to play with...

You could be right.  IMO ~ if they just wanted a baby to play with they would have found a way to do it without media attention. 

I agree.....and I can't believe they wanted a baby to play with... Their grandchild's remain were just found not 1/2 miles from their home, their daughter is in jail for her murder and they are at a shelter playing with children....they are SICK....this was yet another publicity stunt...Conway is trying to change the public perception of the A's ....he is stupid to think these types of photo ops are going to replace the ones we have seen in the past six months....

I can't believe the feelings of anger that swelled up inside of me as I read your post. I knew I couldn't stand any of the appalling Ants, but didn't realize the degree of revulsion I have toward them.  There is no way on earth I would ever allow one of them to get near one of my children, yet alone touch them or pretend to play with them.  There might be one or two bleeding hearts out there to fall for another one of their con games but most people know what they are at this point.

At least the school (hidden Oaks elem.) is doing there best to help the kids who have been traumatized by this. Youd think the shelter people would care enough not to expose kids to it. its sick.

Interesting....They had a baby to play with and look what happened.  But I believe that Caylee was just that to them--a toy to dress up and play with.  Sort of like the Yorkies.  Nothing they could do would surprise me.  But I certainly would not let them within 50 feet of a child  and neither should a shelter. They don't deserve the company of children.

[txlisa]

The day I lost all respect for Lee
The Video

Why did that man take my water?  It's hot out here.

The nastiness and the need to provoke confrontation seems to run in the family IMO. Look how all of them have behaved since this started. They are the ones responsible for the fact that by this time having watched all of them operate, it's virtually impossible for most of us to work up any sympathy for any of them even if no one but Casey had anything to do with Caylee's death.

Need to provoke confrontation? I see it that he's trying to make people go home. They're the ones trying to provoke confrontation by protesting on the Ant's lawn!

Whose dog is that? Why is that dog at the Anthony house?
Yes, it's hot out. And the dog shouldn't be out there without water. But who brings their dog to sit outside someone's house protesting all day? The dog will also poop. It's a biological need. And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home.   

I have been in lots of protests, and the reaction of the Ants is very mild indeed. I've seen business owners do things like try to run protesters over in their cars. One guy ran a plough over 20 protesters on a vacant lot, another drove a riding mower at some kids. Friends of mine were in a tree that got cut down while they were in it singing, injuring 5 of them. And I myself was in a protest on a corner when I was 18, and a guy yanked my sign out of my hands and ripped it up. People are vicious to protesters. And those were people who didn't have to face the protesters 24-7.  I myself have been grossly tempted to hurl full 16-0z drinks from my car window at the Phelps family. Most peoples' reactions to protesters are FAR, FAR worse than the Ants'. I'm inclined to think, in fact, that the protesters are the main reason the Ants ended up getting spokespeople and talking to media nonstop.

The Ants had nowhere to go, to get away from the protesters.  No privacy. Protesting is a form of psychological warfare, and people are not at their best when subjected to its pressures.  Protesting is meant to make a point, and also hopefully to pressure someone into doing what you want. There was no way the Ants could do what the protesters wanted. They didn't know where Caylee was, and they couldn't make Casey talk. And until Casey is tried and proven guilty they have no obligation to say that she is. The frustration must have been unbearable.   

What I notice is that Lee didn't kick, yell at, or threaten the dog. He dumped the water out, which was a way of trying to force the dog's owner to go home, and take the dog with him. It's not like this was just some dog he saw next door and he dumped out its water. This was Lee's own nonviolent way of protesting the protest. He wanted people to go home and leave him alone, and I don't blame him. If he WERE beside himself with worry over his niece, protesters were the last thing he needed to see. As counterprotests go, it's fairly sensible and mild. Nothing's stopping the protester from taking his dog home and watering it.

I KNOW I should ignore your post as I'm sure most of the other Monkeys will, but perhaps they have more discretion than I do, but since it was directed to me, I will respond. I guess you think that those people who started a memorial to Caylee were just provoking the A's and Lee was justified in grabbing up the items they left (not on the A's lawn) because those mourners were aggravating and attempting to provoke a confrontation with the A's... Hmmmmm?

Please don't think that you are speaking for all monkeys.  We are all perfectly capable of speaking up.

Fuzzball, I agree with you.  Those protestors were there to stir the pot and they probably would not have been there if the cameras weren't rolling.  I was ashamed to be a FL residents after watching some of them!

The memorial is a totally different issue than the the protesters.  BTW, the A's didn't kill Caylee, KC did.  I am not sure YET what part they played after the fact though I seriously doubt if G or C helped bury Caylee.  Until LE brings charges and we see some of the evidence, I think the A's should be left ALONE.  Do you seriously think they did not love Caylee?  And that they are not guilt ridden?

That woman sat there on public property and never provoked Lee.  I can understand getting upset at those who yelled and threw rocks, but this was a peaceful, non-violent protest!  Lee's MO is to attack those who won't fight back.  He has serious anger issues.  Still to this day I laugh about how he got his ass handed to him by a sign!

Lisa

[BooMonkey]

CBB left you a little note in the Avatar thread! 

[janetruth]

Need to provoke confrontation? I see it that he's trying to make people go home. They're the ones trying to provoke confrontation by protesting on the Ant's lawn!

Whose dog is that? Why is that dog at the Anthony house?
Yes, it's hot out. And the dog shouldn't be out there without water. But who brings their dog to sit outside someone's house protesting all day? The dog will also poop. It's a biological need. And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home.   

I have been in lots of protests, and the reaction of the Ants is very mild indeed. I've seen business owners do things like try to run protesters over in their cars. One guy ran a plough over 20 protesters on a vacant lot, another drove a riding mower at some kids. Friends of mine were in a tree that got cut down while they were in it singing, injuring 5 of them. And I myself was in a protest on a corner when I was 18, and a guy yanked my sign out of my hands and ripped it up. People are vicious to protesters. And those were people who didn't have to face the protesters 24-7.  I myself have been grossly tempted to hurl full 16-0z drinks from my car window at the Phelps family. Most peoples' reactions to protesters are FAR, FAR worse than the Ants'. I'm inclined to think, in fact, that the protesters are the main reason the Ants ended up getting spokespeople and talking to media nonstop.

The Ants had nowhere to go, to get away from the protesters.  No privacy. Protesting is a form of psychological warfare, and people are not at their best when subjected to its pressures.  Protesting is meant to make a point, and also hopefully to pressure someone into doing what you want. There was no way the Ants could do what the protesters wanted. They didn't know where Caylee was, and they couldn't make Casey talk. And until Casey is tried and proven guilty they have no obligation to say that she is. The frustration must have been unbearable.   

What I notice is that Lee didn't kick, yell at, or threaten the dog. He dumped the water out, which was a way of trying to force the dog's owner to go home, and take the dog with him. It's not like this was just some dog he saw next door and he dumped out its water. This was Lee's own nonviolent way of protesting the protest. He wanted people to go home and leave him alone, and I don't blame him. If he WERE beside himself with worry over his niece, protesters were the last thing he needed to see. As counterprotests go, it's fairly sensible and mild. Nothing's stopping the protester from taking his dog home and watering it.

I agree with this.  I was appalled at the protests all along.  There is no point in "protesting," without a political objective.  The people harassing the Anthonys were just doing it out of frustration, and it looked much more like mob violence than any sort of "vigil." 

On top of that, taking babies and animals to that sort of gathering is cruel and dangerous to the babies and animals.  A lot worse things could have happened than Lee dumping out some water.  What if the dog panicked in the crowd and ran off?  Or a child got stepped on? 

I once refused to take my toddler to protest a nuclear plant in south Texas in the middle of summer.  The friend who wanted me to do that had a few choice words for me, but there was no way I was going to stand out all weekend with a toddler in the blazing sun.

What, exactly did the people outside the Anthony's house want to accomplish? 

[janetruth]

Hi all.   I haven't been on for a couple of days because my computer died.  But, my hubby got me a new laptop for Christmas!

I was at the store today - and saw the new NE.   It said that KC has found God, according to the Baptist minister that has been helping the A family.  The minister claims KC is reading her Bible and taking comfort in God.   

IF she really wants to repent, imo, she has to tell what she did to Caylee - and pay the consequences.

Sorry if you guys have already discussed this - I am about 4 days behind in reading now.

She is nothing but a carbon-copy of Joran VanDerSloot and CinCin is a copy of Anita VDS.  George is Paulus made over.  Maybe we should lure Joran to come to America and spend some time in the jail cell with Casey.

They'd probably both have entirely too much fun.

[txlisa]

What if Lee did something while he was conducting his own investigation to aid, abet & obstruct?  Maybe there will be more charges than just tampering with the computer. 

I still wonder about Wanda, the dog lady at the airport.  Too many intimate details that she gave.  Wonder where she heard them?

I still think Wanda is probably the A's dog breeder.

Lisa

[Wyks]

Does this site cause anyone else to get a sound like a single piano note repeated every second until I log out and reboot?

Try just refreshing the page.  That works for me.  It doesn't happen all the time, but some times.  I think it has something to do with the popup ads.  Sometimes I do freeze and have to reboot.  I am a Microsoft person, so I'm not changing to Foxfire.

Once you try Foxfire, you won't go back.   

  You are wrong.  I wouldn't have food on my table if it were not for Microsoft.  I could give all the arguments about IE is more popular that is the reason that why more hackers go after it, but most people don't listen.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  Cuz this positive experience of yours is not the experience of mine and everyone else I've spoken with about it in the past.  Having a difference of opinion doesn't make one of us 'right' and one of us 'wrong'.  It's just looking at things differently, that's all.   

I can 2nd your post, Wyks. I had a REALLY slow dial-up until a couple of months ago, and if I had not discovered Firefox, I would have packed in the internet long ago except for a few necessities. IE was like living in the dark ages compared to my experience after finding and using Firefox.

Her "you are wrong" was in response to the statement, "Once you try Firefox, you won't go back."

She is saying that she works for Microsoft, and hence will not (or cannot) use something else.  She is not saying that Firefox is not better, just that she owes product loyalty to Microsoft.

I realize that, but thanks janetruth!  IMO, it's not necessary to tell anyone in a forum that they are 'wrong' about anything.  Just my opinion tho.  And it's not a big deal for me, just wanted to point that out is all.   

[SunnyinTX]

Good Evening Monks...old and new....hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas....except for the A's of course. I can't imagine being in that house now.  As far as casey finding the Lord...I don't believe it for a second. I used to work for a death penalty attorney and on many occasions I had to go to the prison and meet with 'clients."  Although many claimed  to have been saved.. in talking to them it was clear it was all an act...some even laughed about it...the only one I can remember who truly, IMO, was saved and confessed her crime and asked for forgiveness was Karla Faye Tucker. And casey is no Karla Faye and never will be.  BJ and the motley crew are simply trying to change the public view of the evil one. He knows all he has to do it get one person on the jury to doubt her guilt. I still need to go back and try to get caught up. I know Caylee's remains were released to a funeral home. Do we know which one? That a private and public memorial service will take place. The evil one will not be allowed to attend. Any word on when a service will take place? If there is any interesting news, if someone would post it in a nut shell, I would be very grateful.

Hi sunny!

And Hi Monkeys! Just caught up on my reading here ...took all day, as I was also doing some web work I had been putting off.

You asked about the funeral home, sunny:
According to MyFoxOrlando, Caylee Anthony’s remains have been turned over to the Robert Bryant Funeral & Cremation Chapel.

I have not heard any dates announced for any services yet though.

Hi Brandi!  Thank you for the info...I will be making a donation to TES in Caylee's name once the memorial service is announced and send the card to the funeral home. I wonder if they are planning a cremation or burial?

[klaasend]

What if Lee did something while he was conducting his own investigation to aid, abet & obstruct?  Maybe there will be more charges than just tampering with the computer. 

I still wonder about Wanda, the dog lady at the airport.  Too many intimate details that she gave.  Wonder where she heard them?

I still think Wanda is probably the A's dog breeder.

Lisa

Could be Lisa

[BooMonkey]

What if Lee did something while he was conducting his own investigation to aid, abet & obstruct?  Maybe there will be more charges than just tampering with the computer. 

I still wonder about Wanda, the dog lady at the airport.  Too many intimate details that she gave.  Wonder where she heard them?

I still think Wanda is probably the A's dog breeder.

Lisa

I really hope this bit of information is brought out at the trial or at the Anthony's trial for obstruction. I can just see Wanda calling Cindy and telling her how much she supports her and Cindy giving her a few suggestions to speed things along. 

[Babybear]

Need to provoke confrontation? I see it that he's trying to make people go home. They're the ones trying to provoke confrontation by protesting on the Ant's lawn!

Whose dog is that? Why is that dog at the Anthony house?
Yes, it's hot out. And the dog shouldn't be out there without water. But who brings their dog to sit outside someone's house protesting all day? The dog will also poop. It's a biological need. And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home.   

I have been in lots of protests, and the reaction of the Ants is very mild indeed. I've seen business owners do things like try to run protesters over in their cars. One guy ran a plough over 20 protesters on a vacant lot, another drove a riding mower at some kids. Friends of mine were in a tree that got cut down while they were in it singing, injuring 5 of them. And I myself was in a protest on a corner when I was 18, and a guy yanked my sign out of my hands and ripped it up. People are vicious to protesters. And those were people who didn't have to face the protesters 24-7.  I myself have been grossly tempted to hurl full 16-0z drinks from my car window at the Phelps family. Most peoples' reactions to protesters are FAR, FAR worse than the Ants'. I'm inclined to think, in fact, that the protesters are the main reason the Ants ended up getting spokespeople and talking to media nonstop.

The Ants had nowhere to go, to get away from the protesters.  No privacy. Protesting is a form of psychological warfare, and people are not at their best when subjected to its pressures.  Protesting is meant to make a point, and also hopefully to pressure someone into doing what you want. There was no way the Ants could do what the protesters wanted. They didn't know where Caylee was, and they couldn't make Casey talk. And until Casey is tried and proven guilty they have no obligation to say that she is. The frustration must have been unbearable.   

What I notice is that Lee didn't kick, yell at, or threaten the dog. He dumped the water out, which was a way of trying to force the dog's owner to go home, and take the dog with him. It's not like this was just some dog he saw next door and he dumped out its water. This was Lee's own nonviolent way of protesting the protest. He wanted people to go home and leave him alone, and I don't blame him. If he WERE beside himself with worry over his niece, protesters were the last thing he needed to see. As counterprotests go, it's fairly sensible and mild. Nothing's stopping the protester from taking his dog home and watering it.

I agree with this.  I was appalled at the protests all along.  There is no point in "protesting," without a political objective.  The people harassing the Anthonys were just doing it out of frustration, and it looked much more like mob violence than any sort of "vigil." 

On top of that, taking babies and animals to that sort of gathering is cruel and dangerous to the babies and animals.  A lot worse things could have happened than Lee dumping out some water.  What if the dog panicked in the crowd and ran off?  Or a child got stepped on? 

I once refused to take my toddler to protest a nuclear plant in south Texas in the middle of summer.  The friend who wanted me to do that had a few choice words for me, but there was no way I was going to stand out all weekend with a toddler in the blazing sun.

What, exactly did the people outside the Anthony's house want to accomplish? 

One can protest whatever one wishes.  It certainly doesn't have to be a political objective.  In this case, it was a moral objective. 

[N2WISHN]

Please don't think that you are speaking for all monkeys.  We are all perfectly capable of speaking up.

Fuzzball, I agree with you.  Those protestors were there to stir the pot and they probably would not have been there if the cameras weren't rolling.  I was ashamed to be a FL residents after watching some of them!

The memorial is a totally different issue than the the protesters.  BTW, the A's didn't kill Caylee, KC did.  I am not sure YET what part they played after the fact though I seriously doubt if G or C helped bury Caylee.  Until LE brings charges and we see some of the evidence, I think the A's should be left ALONE.  Do you seriously think they did not love Caylee?  And that they are not guilt ridden?



I speak for just myself, and though we don't know what part the gp's played in all this, we have seen their actions over the last five months. In no uncertain terms, they are LIARS and not to be believed. They provoked the wrath of the public with their amoral behavior and are now paying the piper his due. There is nothing about their actions that show they loved Caylee unless one equates a backyard and room full of toys as love!!

[luckycharmsprincess]

This statement in itself is very indicative of how Casey felt about her 'responsibility' of caring for Caylee. Bottom line is she didn't feel any connection to that responsibility. She didn't 'change' her behavior as Jesse explains that this is not the Casey he knew her to be. She's always been the same person. She has just chosen who sees her and in what context. The minute the paternity test came back (as she knew it would) she could no longer manipulate Jesse into believing something that was absolutely false. Her goal was to manipulate him, not just find a father for Caylee. One more thing and then I will let you ponder. Richard Grund states that many of the family would watch Caylee when Casey worked. Jesse, himself and Jesse's younger brother. Then one day Grund meets her at the door and says, "What are we going to do about the daycare situation?" Now, this is not a one time conversation that you dump on them the minute they walk in the door. This is a conversation that had been talked about at the dinner table, etc. The day he confronts her, she knows her gig is up. In the police interrogation, she states she knew Zeneida when she was PG with Caylee. She had to drop out of HS due to becomming PG. So, we can establish a timeline for how long she's known Zanny. From seeing the pictures of Jesse holding Caylee, some of those pictures are when Caylee is just a few months old. So, we can assume that she knows Zanny. So, if these conversations have been taking place over the stress of needing Casey to find a solution, why doesn't she mention, "Hey, I know this girl who watches my friend's Jeff son, I'll ask her." She only mentions this to Grund the day he confronts her. "Yes, I have a nanny and her name is Zanny." And that was that. Soon after, she and Jesse break up. Jesse is left to wonder why, he states it's because Casey says he loved Caylee more than he loved her. Because Casey can't feel the depth of emotion, she doesn't understand how senseless her statement is. I mean, an ideal situation for any single mother is to know that your fiancee has unconditional love for your child. Bottom line, she knew her gig was up and it was up at the hands of Richard Grund, first for making Jesse get a paternity test and for confronting her on the daycare issue. This is why she left, she had to go find another victim to manipulate.

Yes, it was all about Casey.  Now, how did Caylee die?

Klaas,

Unfortunately I am a Psychologist, not a Forensic Scientist. Of course I have my own theory though. So, if this is my turn at "CLUE" I will give it my best shot. I believe Caylee was killed late on 6-15-08. I believe it was pre-meditated as recent as March 08. I also believe that recent events such as the fight on the 15th, Tony's admission of not wanting children or only wanting male children and her current mental state drove her to kill Caylee on a split second decision. I do not believe Cindy tucked anyone in or that George saw them the next morning/afternoon. I believe that Casey wanted to kill her parents as well. I believe she saw the three of them, George, Cindy and Caylee as burdens to her life. I believe Casey killed Caylee in the Anthony home and then placed her in the backyard. I believe at the moment of death, Caylee suffered trauma such as suffocation and sexual abuse.

Casey's life was consumed with anger, jealousy and resentment. I think Casey had an absolute dislike for her daughter, I do believe she wanted her to suffer or to feel fear at the end of her life. Casey lives in a fantasy world and makes up an alternate reality where she tells so many lies, she believes them. I believe after she sees "Untraceable" she starts to solidify her "Kidnapping" scheme she had been working on in March when she saw/searched the One Tree Hill Episode."

Caylee remains in the backyard until it is no longer safe (Parents return home from vacation) then she puts her in her in the trunk for awhile. The smell is overbearing and has to decide where to take her. She stages a potential theft by putting her car at Amscot with her wallet in the front seat, hoping a would be thief would see it and steal it and the car and then ditch it. When she comes up with the wooded area where she spent time while in HS hanging out with her friends. It is also telling that she viewed Caylee as a "possession." She buries her where animals and pets have been buried. Things that have been "owned." She dumps her book and other items of interest as if Caylee is King Tut and will use these things in her afterlife. Her reality and fantasy are almost blended by this point.

Her plan was derailed when the car got towed. She was out partying and living it up while lying to her mother on her and Caylee's whereabouts. I believe she spent her time with whoever would have her as she couldn't go home because she didn't have Caylee with her. I believe she spent some nights with Caylee in the woods because she had no where else to go. (This is why they have taken clothing and shoes from her room. This is why she shows up at Jesse's house and asks to take a shower).

She gets sent back home and then the 911 calls go down. The super glue comes out and she is sticking to her story. She's out on bail but does nothing to find Caylee and then re-arrested, etc. In her mind, in her false reality, she thinks she is mother of the year and Caylee is off skipping and hopscotching in a nearby meadow, somewhere peaceful, somewhere calm, the wooded area.

She is content with her decision to have killed Caylee and starts deleting her photos, writing poetry and starts living her life at clubs and parties. Story over and while she remembers Caylee, she has no remorse for her actions as she has convinced herself that Caylee is happy, reading her book and wearing her shoes happily playing. Caylee isn't a part of her life anymore. There are no reminders. No pictures in the Jail. A blatant show of how she had no concern for Caylee when she got the Tattoo. I don't take that as a memoriam to Caylee. I believe it is a celebration of her new life, one without the responsibility.

Her plan to get rid of George and Cindy failed due to the earlier disposal of Caylee. Now she clings to them because she is the victim. She needs allies. She starts spinning her web of manipulation and they buy it. She's all about how she misses Caylee, can't wait to be home with her family, and on and on. She has found new victims for the moment (her parents) but once she no longer needs them she will either dispose of them or move on. She has disposed of Jesse, Caylee, George, The Priest, Amy, Lee, and anyone else who has offered her resistance.

Her mind has completed the fantasy transition and she has absolved herself from any wrong doing. She no longer needs her Priest. She truly believes she is innocent from her crime. She doesn't necessarily think "Crime" but rather a necessary task to complete.  She has more than likely convinced herself that she will get out, get her friends back and start living her life. She pictures herself as famous or in the spotlight in this fantasy, where she is adored and worshipped. And these are the daily thoughts in Casey's new life, her life behind bars.

Other factors-Just my theory
Caylee was being sexually abused.
Caylee was at the stage where she would be talking more.
Casey's Psychopathic issues develop at an early age.
Casey is a sexual aggressor.
Casey was not molested, but she has craved the attention from men her entire life. If there was inappropriate sex, it was because Casey was the seducer.
Casey was involved in an activity surrounding Sex and Drugs.

I think the prosecution will find the key link to pre-meditation and go for the death penalty and win.

So, long story short, that's my theory! Enjoy!

[mammy]

The day I lost all respect for Lee
The Video

Why did that man take my water?  It's hot out here.

The nastiness and the need to provoke confrontation seems to run in the family IMO. Look how all of them have behaved since this started. They are the ones responsible for the fact that by this time having watched all of them operate, it's virtually impossible for most of us to work up any sympathy for any of them even if no one but Casey had anything to do with Caylee's death.

Need to provoke confrontation? I see it that he's trying to make people go home. They're the ones trying to provoke confrontation by protesting on the Ant's lawn!

Whose dog is that? Why is that dog at the Anthony house?
Yes, it's hot out. And the dog shouldn't be out there without water. But who brings their dog to sit outside someone's house protesting all day? The dog will also poop. It's a biological need. And I betcha the brilliant protester who brought a water dish didn't bring a scoop--dog owners rarely think of these things away from home.   

I have been in lots of protests, and the reaction of the Ants is very mild indeed. I've seen business owners do things like try to run protesters over in their cars. One guy ran a plough over 20 protesters on a vacant lot, another drove a riding mower at some kids. Friends of mine were in a tree that got cut down while they were in it singing, injuring 5 of them. And I myself was in a protest on a corner when I was 18, and a guy yanked my sign out of my hands and ripped it up. People are vicious to protesters. And those were people who didn't have to face the protesters 24-7.  I myself have been grossly tempted to hurl full 16-0z drinks from my car window at the Phelps family. Most peoples' reactions to protesters are FAR, FAR worse than the Ants'. I'm inclined to think, in fact, that the protesters are the main reason the Ants ended up getting spokespeople and talking to media nonstop.

The Ants had nowhere to go, to get away from the protesters.  No privacy. Protesting is a form of psychological warfare, and people are not at their best when subjected to its pressures.  Protesting is meant to make a point, and also hopefully to pressure someone into doing what you want. There was no way the Ants could do what the protesters wanted. They didn't know where Caylee was, and they couldn't make Casey talk. And until Casey is tried and proven guilty they have no obligation to say that she is. The frustration must have been unbearable.   

What I notice is that Lee didn't kick, yell at, or threaten the dog. He dumped the water out, which was a way of trying to force the dog's owner to go home, and take the dog with him. It's not like this was just some dog he saw next door and he dumped out its water. This was Lee's own nonviolent way of protesting the protest. He wanted people to go home and leave him alone, and I don't blame him. If he WERE beside himself with worry over his niece, protesters were the last thing he needed to see. As counterprotests go, it's fairly sensible and mild. Nothing's stopping the protester from taking his dog home and watering it.

I KNOW I should ignore your post as I'm sure most of the other Monkeys will, but perhaps they have more discretion than I do, but since it was directed to me, I will respond. I guess you think that those people who started a memorial to Caylee were just provoking the A's and Lee was justified in grabbing up the items they left (not on the A's lawn) because those mourners were aggravating and attempting to provoke a confrontation with the A's... Hmmmmm?

Please don't think that you are speaking for all monkeys.  We are all perfectly capable of speaking up.

Fuzzball, I agree with you.  Those protestors were there to stir the pot and they probably would not have been there if the cameras weren't rolling.  I was ashamed to be a FL residents after watching some of them!

The memorial is a totally different issue than the the protesters.  BTW, the A's didn't kill Caylee, KC did.  I am not sure YET what part they played after the fact though I seriously doubt if G or C helped bury Caylee.  Until LE brings charges and we see some of the evidence, I think the A's should be left ALONE.  Do you seriously think they did not love Caylee?  And that they are not guilt ridden?

The only protesters that started anything were the ones that threw things at the A's house.  The other problems were caused by G & C.  They had a right to protest peacefully whether the A's liked it or not.

The A's let KC get by with her lies and theft; therefore, they helped in the final outcome of KC, IMO.  Yes the A's loved Caylee, but they also loved KC and seem to love her a bit more.