SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Blonde...I was wrong...It's 'the other girl'...LOL

[Blonde]

Good Morning MumInOhio
I have been cleaning up my photobucket  So I could find pictures faster. 

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning MumInOhio
I have been cleaning up my photobucket  So I could find pictures faster. 

Good for you...my computer is a mess...needs re-organizing! I don't know how I can find anything!

[vms]

Claudio Stamper


general manager of Universal Aviation Aruba, N.V.
Stamper owns his own jet maintenance company, Jet International.
http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/terminal.html

JET INTERNATIONAL
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19225

UNIVERSAL AVIATION ARUBA N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34076

[Lala'sMom]

My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma?   It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...

vms...wasn't he arrested for domestic violence?  TIA

Mum,

I have heard domestic violence, drugs and caught on the beach with no pants. I dunno? 

LOL...I remember the no pants!  Why do I feel 'a major friend' discussion coming on?  LOL

FWIW, Glenda claims the mutual friend was Claudio Stamper.

Then that means that Charles Croes was told as soon as Beth's plane filed a flight plan back to Aruba.  Lil'Shango strikes again!  Aha!

[Lala'sMom]

Maybe when Caps comes back he will explain why he threw Jairo Dirkson's name out there as well....

I can't be running all over the web without a good reason!!!

Seems we have more players in this saga than we need already!

Now I am confused: Stamper...Williams....ruffner Page!!1

Kermit dropped that hint...it is a long Shango identity story of which I don't really wish to explore at this time. He was quoting something he had read.

[MumInOhio]

Maybe when Caps comes back he will explain why he threw Jairo Dirkson's name out there as well....

I can't be running all over the web without a good reason!!!

Seems we have more players in this saga than we need already!

Now I am confused: Stamper...Williams....ruffner Page!!1

Kermit dropped that hint...it is a long Shango identity story of which I don't really wish to explore at this time. He was quoting something he had read.

Thank You Lala's...so what are we going to post about today?

[vms]

Claudio Stamper


general manager of Universal Aviation Aruba, N.V.
Stamper owns his own jet maintenance company, Jet International.
http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/terminal.html

JET INTERNATIONAL
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19225

UNIVERSAL AVIATION ARUBA N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34076

http://aruba.universalaviation.aero/

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.

Mum, thank you.  I have to be more direct with my questions, it seems.  I really was more interested in when KJ arrived and began her prosecutor stint in Aruba.  I thought it was out there, but just couldn't find it, myself.

[MumInOhio]

Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.

Mum, thank you.  I have to be more direct with my questions, it seems.  I really was more interested in when KJ arrived and began her prosecutor stint in Aruba.  I thought it was out there, but just couldn't find it, myself.

Posters have a hard time working out what I'm asking all the time! I was after the tape she took to the Netherlands and that wasn't until July, so that wasn't the package from the Hague.

So hard to search KJ and van der Straten, because of all the different spellings!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.

Mum, thank you.  I have to be more direct with my questions, it seems.  I really was more interested in when KJ arrived and began her prosecutor stint in Aruba.  I thought it was out there, but just couldn't find it, myself.

Posters have a hard time working out what I'm asking all the time! I was after the tape she took to the Netherlands and that wasn't until July, so that wasn't the package from the Hague.

So hard to search KJ and van der Straten, because of all the different spellings!

Absolutely true about the spellings....plus most of what I think I remember reading is probably in the lost archives here at SM....and, if you search what we do have here you have to guess at who posted it...

[Lala'sMom]

We could talk about all the doppelgangers I guess. LOL

Natalee had one.
Steve has one.
Guido has one.
Satish had one.
Simian had one.
I wonder if Lorenzo had one? 
I think I have one...

[MumInOhio]

We could talk about all the doppelgangers I guess. LOL

Natalee had one.
Steve has one.
Guido has one.
Satish had one.
Simian had one.
I wonder if Lorenzo had one? 
I think I have one...

LOL...I was just thinking everytime we ask a question there are two or three answers...they needed 10 days to get it all worked out!

I think Lorenzo had aliases...or maybe he had alibis! Who should we pinch!

I told COLUMBO to name names!!

And ...I have questions about Freddy!!! No questions while he was arrested in August....hmmmm!

[Lala'sMom]

I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?

[MumInOhio]

Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

[MumInOhio]

I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?

It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!

[Lala'sMom]

Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

I think Ruben had visions of stardom at some point in his career.  He seemed really smitten with that party scene...all of it.  Now, Tito, he was a character too.  LOL

[MumInOhio]

Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

I think Ruben had visions of stardom at some point in his career.  He seemed really smitten with that party scene...all of it.  Now, Tito, he was a character too.  LOL

I could not stand to watch Tito or Arlene! She's at the CMB with Kermit's Bill now...Lots of people have been rewarded over this!

I went looking for the guy this morning that owned the Internet Cafe before the Kalpoes got it in August of 2005...nothing, zilch, I wonder if he was real or if he just disappeared!

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, where is that woman that worked with Deepak and stood up for him in an interview?  Wonder how big her reward was?  I can't think of her name, but it will come back to me.  Don't think she owned it, just managed it or something like that.  If you give Deepak his own business, then you have to reward those above him in some way or else they rat you out.  The corruption is bad in Aruba that not even the locals that are innocent can fight it...too big and powerful  Next thing we will hear is Paulus is running for a position in the MEP and will be working side by side with Rudy...or... Hendrick...or...Steve.

Damn shame when I know more about the gov't of Aruba than I do my own.

[MumInOhio]

Lala’s continued from the NAH thread…LOL...

Funny that Daury has been in detention about a month, right?

How long has Joran been ‘locked’ up? About a month?