Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09

[Tamikosmom]

Thoes plants appear all dehydrated and crooked.  Not at all like the prime specimens, picture perfect plants of Lorenzo. 

 

... or the ones in our back yard that my Father was cultivating with tender loving care until a neighbour told him those plants/weeds were not ferns.  My younger brother (17) was still at home at the time but ... to this day ... forty years later ... denies any knowledge of them.

 

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
8:30 PM PT

  Well, now, that might explain the typos...

 

At ten years of age I attempted to take a puff of my mother's cigarette when she was not looking and ... just about choked to death when I sucked that tobacco stick like it was a straw.

The incident was a blessing in disguise.  I was never tempted to "smoke" anything.

 

Janet

Goodnight, Janet.  You know I was just kidding....I hope!!

Hugs

Janet

[Anna]

Isn't that an alarming number for a country that size?? (approx. one in every 200 people )

It is!  And even a poor country like Bolivia manages to report and cooperate with other countries in monitoring disease.

Aruba only seems to try to cover it all up.  I see a pattern to that.

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Isn't that an alarming number for a country that size?? (approx. one in every 200 people )

It is!  And even a poor country like Bolivia manages to report and cooperate with other countries in monitoring disease.

Aruba only seems to try to cover it all up.  I see a pattern to that.

 

One happy island has a 'dengue' problem to add to their list....yep the pattern is not helping them.

[texasmom]

Isn't that an alarming number for a country that size?? (approx. one in every 200 people )

It is!  And even a poor country like Bolivia manages to report and cooperate with other countries in monitoring disease.

Aruba only seems to try to cover it all up.  I see a pattern to that.

 

I agree Anna, I had that thought when I read this....

Seems to reason to me that if you have two likely cases in one home....there are MORE.

1/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 4

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contrario at various rumornan only have two patient cu suspicion of dengue in hospital mirando cu have one cantidad of rumor cu have very much patient cu dengue in hospital, owing to acerca the vocero bob harms for her comenta on this. past owing to desmenti the rumornan here totalmente y owing to tell cu at the momentonan here have two patient interna in hospital cu suspicion cu they have sintomanan of dengue. according bob harms, the sistema con hospital is hinca in another is so cu hour one patient present at departamento of emergencia cu sintomanan of griep, is deal the caso here in form standard, naturally looking at if the situation of the patient maybe one complicacion, in the caso here or if the patient owing to achieve the complicacion end is admiti’e at hospital. at instant of admision the responsabilidad of the doctor at departamento of emergencia is end y the patient is become responsabilidad of one specialista cu is cuminsa deal the patient. only under indicacion of one specialista can admiti or retira one patient for of hospital, bariendo for of table the rumornan also cu hospital on his self is mandando pacientnan cu dengue bek for cas.

[Anna]

Epidemic

Ep`i*dem"ic\, Epidemical \Ep`i*dem"ic*al\, a. [L. epidemus, Gr. ?, ?, among the people, epidemic; ? in + ? people: cf. F. ['e]pid['e]mique. Cf. Demagogue.]

1. (Med.) Common to, or affecting at the same time, a large number in a community; -- applied to a disease which, spreading widely, attacks many persons at the same time; as, an epidemic disease; an epidemic catarrh, fever, etc. See Endemic.

2. Spreading widely, or generally prevailing; affecting great numbers, as an epidemic does; as, epidemic rage; an epidemic evil.

It was the epidemical sin of the nation. --Bp. Burnet.

[iris44]

Has there ever been a list compiled of all the major players, which lists their attorneys/law firms and/or CPA's/financial advisors to look for the connections?

Who is Lorenzo's attorney?  Any ties to Posner's?

Does anyone know how high Paulus' line of credit was/is at Posner's casino?  Who else of the Joran group is connected to Posner's hotel or casino?

Regarding the underage gambling, I remember my 13 year brother gambling in that casino (this was years ago) and he never was asked to leave.  We didn't even know he was in the casino, until the night he won and bought us all ice cream!  I guess my parents didn't supervise us very well.

[klaasend]

Has there ever been a list compiled of all the major players, which lists their attorneys/law firms and/or CPA's/financial advisors to look for the connections?

Who is Lorenzo's attorney?  Any ties to Posner's?

Does anyone know how high Paulus' line of credit was/is at Posner's casino?  Who else of the Joran group is connected to Posner's hotel or casino?

Regarding the underage gambling, I remember my 13 year brother gambling in that casino (this was years ago) and he never was asked to leave.  We didn't even know he was in the casino, until the night he won and bought us all ice cream!  I guess my parents didn't supervise us very well.

Joran ?  Is that you?  j/k 

[iris44]

I believe Paulus and/or Joran must have mob ties proven by the fact that Tacopino was defending Joran.  There is no other explanation.

Iris and I are not on the same page often but ... on this I tend to agree.

Janet

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Janet, I agree with you on lots of things!  I probably just don't get inspired to post until I disagree!

[texasmom]

[sharon]

Isn't that an alarming number for a country that size?? (approx. one in every 200 people )

It is!  And even a poor country like Bolivia manages to report and cooperate with other countries in monitoring disease.

Aruba only seems to try to cover it all up.  I see a pattern to that.

 

And it's NOT a new problem.

bb has been posting about this and the stats every year, iirc.

And yet  -- Aruba had not done anything to prevent the re-occurence 

I think I see a pattern there as well, Anna

[sharon]

klaas   

You were on a roll.......

Have a happy Friday Monkeys. Stay warm. When it is only 60 in Miami, I KNOW the rest of you must be freezing.

.

[Nut44x4]

MINUS -12 degrees BELOWwwwwwww Zerooooooo at 6am 

[jen3560]

Anna,

You asked a question about the lenth of the Persistence search having been extended.

The time extenstion and larger grid area was due to Richardson saying they needed to search further out, in deeper waters.

This was right after they found the trap.

Silvetti had already turned his back on the trap by this point, and did what Richardson suggested - left the originally planned search area - and extended their grid into deeper waters further out.

[BUCKSHOT]

There may not be a clear cut answer to this question, but here goes:

Why would Aruba wait 2.5 years before addressing a body (in a cage) in the ocean?

(1) Was it just sloppy on their end?
(2) Did they feel it was safe there, but needed to move it upon an announced search?

I do not know the answer. Just a thought (out loud) ....

[Edward]

Sounds more and more like they just used Natalee tragic situation and a theory she was in the water to launch the persistence in order to not get the horns up on Hugo's head in Venezuela..
 They used Dave and Tim.. They played on there desperation..
For politics..For Oil.
A group with no souls. Driven by money.

What else is new..

They must have also interjected Marcos into the action..
"There has been a change in plans.." Disgusting people. 

[Tamikosmom]

Anna,

You asked a question about the lenth of the Persistence search having been extended.

The time extenstion and larger grid area was due to Richardson saying they needed to search further out, in deeper waters.

This was right after they found the trap.

Silvetti had already turned his back on the trap by this point, and did what Richardson suggested - left the originally planned search area - and extended their grid into deeper waters further out.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!

Janet
8:30 AM PT

[Edward]

A sign of a good Con Artist..
They used all of Dave's donation money reserved for Natalee searches to pull this off..

These people really piss me off.

[klaasend]

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[Edward]

There next intension is to strip money out of Dr.Phils/Oprahs savings accounts.
Paulus heads up that Group of Legal mumboJumbo Con Artists..
jmho

[jen3560]

There may not be a clear cut answer to this question, but here goes:

Why would Aruba wait 2.5 years before addressing a body (in a cage) in the ocean?

(1) Was it just sloppy on their end?
(2) Did they feel it was safe there, but needed to move it upon an announced search?

I do not know the answer. Just a thought (out loud) ....

This may not be at all correct - just my thoughts on the matter.

Judging what Kyle told us about the location, what the wind surf guy told us about where the Panter was, and by the fact there is no underwater attraction in that area..............

I believe those who disposed of Natalee felt that place was likely a great place, with little chance of discovery.

it is not an area that gets travelled for commercial fishing.

it is not an area that even the coast guard crosses in their normal route.

it is not by any wrecks or significant reefs to attract divers.

Then there is also my belief that those who disposed of her never could have possibly imagined 9at the time) that this crime would attract the determination and attention of not only Natalee's family - but also the media, the blogging world, and the general public.

I don't believe they ever dreamed there would have been a sea search with the equipment necessary to find her.

Also - living on an island for so long..............I'm sure they know what happens to things that enter the water with the environment and sea life.

I just don't believe they could have ever fathomed she would ever have been found.