Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[texasmom]

Joran told Greta and Steph Watts that Paulus paid them $50,000 each.

I don't think Paulus had $100,000 just laying around for bribes.

Who fronted paulus the money?

Could he have taken advance draw on his LOC from Posner's casino?  Or would Gottenbos have/loan him the money?

I think Posner provided the money for the bribes and Gottenbos provided the boat for disposal of the body. JMO

 

[Lifesong]

The name of the head master was known - that's Werner if I recall correctly. He shipped off to Brazil.

So I wonder who this Steven guy is. Possibly and American in Thailand teaching?

The lower portion is very interesting and these must be the names redacted by Greta.

Paulus is obvious.

Then Dompig ( this must be a bribee )

Then Soemers ( again Eric Soemers, and a possible bribee )

Teacher - could be Werner and paid not to repeat the hit with a baseball bat statement again. Or the drowning story.

Confront lawyer - this has to be Carlo - he told Jansen that she was going to have to get Joran on her own, but Joran was guilty. Carlo later denied that statement, but it was true.

The last part has something to do with a felony charge and researching how it was possibly mishandled.

Not "mishandled." Possibly misprision -- a crime involving negligence or contempt.

Misprision of felony was an offence under the common law of England and was classified as a misdemeanour.[1] It consisted of failing to report knowledge of a felony to the appropriate authorities.

Exceptions were made for close family members of the felon.

A person was not obliged to disclose his knowledge of a felony where the disclosure would tend to incriminate him of that offence or another.[2]

With the development of the modern law, this crime has been discarded in most jurisdictions, and is generally only applied against persons placed in a special position of authority or responsibility. For example, corrections officers who stand idly by while drug trafficking occurs within the prison may be prosecuted for this crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misprision_of_felony

Well, my goodness.  There's at least a handful of people that would apply to in this instance.

[Lifesong]

I'm ready to know the name of the detective whose brother had the latitude (or longitude, whatever) of the crab trap in the water and met with the Persistence team.  Was it Clyde Burke?  Who?

now this is kinda interesting huh Lifesong...and remember Kyle met with both of them and he later posted the lats and longs that I captured... it was Clyde Burke and someone who he claimed was his brother - who said he was a psychic.

Psychic normally equals = psycho... however in this case - it can't be ignored cause of who Clyde Burke is.

Thanks, Rob!  So it is Clyde Burke...at long last.

What a coward he's turned out to be.  And....there's your misprision of felony...or one of them at least.

[texasmom]

Interesting comment to the 24ora article I posted earlier...

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16553/5/#comments

Original text:

Scirbi pa ayudo un pobre, February 23, 2010   
esey ta semper di ministerio publico: NUNCA NAN NO SA DI NADA,NOOIT WEET OPENBARE MINISTERIE VAN IETS,mi ta kere nan mester EDIT e nomber y yame MISTERIO PUBLICO,publico so sa y nan NO

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for aid one pobre, february 23, 2010

esey is always of ministerio publico: never they not know of nothing,  nooit weet openbare ministerie van iets,mi is believe they have to edit the name y yame enigma publico,publico only know y they not

 

Say What?   Can you translate the translation for me?  Are they saying the minister? knows?

I think they are saying they need to rename the Ministerio Publico to the Enigma Publico because they can never figure anything out (or they can, but act like they can't IMO) that the general public has no problem figuring out!

Just my interpretation!  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma

An enigma is a type of riddle generally expressed in metaphorical or allegorical language that requires ingenuity and careful thinking for its solution.

[Blue Moon]

Interesting comment to the 24ora article I posted earlier...

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/16553/5/#comments

Original text:

Scirbi pa ayudo un pobre, February 23, 2010   
esey ta semper di ministerio publico: NUNCA NAN NO SA DI NADA,NOOIT WEET OPENBARE MINISTERIE VAN IETS,mi ta kere nan mester EDIT e nomber y yame MISTERIO PUBLICO,publico so sa y nan NO

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for aid one pobre, february 23, 2010

esey is always of ministerio publico: never they not know of nothing,  nooit weet openbare ministerie van iets,mi is believe they have to edit the name y yame enigma publico,publico only know y they not

 

Say What?   Can you translate the translation for me?  Are they saying the minister? knows?

I think they are saying they need to rename the Ministerio Publico to the Enigma Publico because they can never figure anything out (or they can, but act like they can't IMO) that the general public has no problem figuring out!

Just my interpretation!  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma

An enigma is a type of riddle generally expressed in metaphorical or allegorical language that requires ingenuity and careful thinking for its solution.

You are good.

[Tamikosmom]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

I wonder what kind of DNA could be determined following 2 1/2 years at  the bottom of the ocean.  Why did the FBI not release this information?

Janet

+++++++

Nancy Grace - August 1, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area. Other than that, I really don`t know.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html


Feb 26, 2008 2:35 pm US/Eastern
FBI: Fabric Found In Aruba Not Natalee

An FBI analysis of fabric collected from a crab trap off Aruba showed the material did not match clothing worn by missing American Natalee Holloway, prosecutors said Tuesday.

The fabric was recovered in January by Aruban divers in about 90 feet of water as they searched for the body of the missing teenager, the public prosecutor's office said in a statement.

The FBI compared the material to a blouse worn by Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island in May 2005. The results "showed that the two materials were not a match," the statement said

http://wbztv.com/national/FBI.natalle.holloway.2.663328.html

[Rob]

Good nite all - my pleasure as always



Always close to my heart.



click this and I'm sure many will love it and remember....for Natalee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSOLBMUvIE

[wreck]

Night #1 - hide the body in the pond (I still say Joran's shoe is likely stuck in the mud in that pond)

Night #2 - as instructed by PVDS, take the body out to sea (Male DNA = Natalee)

I wonder what kind of DNA could be determined following 2 1/2 years at  the bottom of the ocean.  Why did the FBI not release this information?

Janet

+++++++

Nancy Grace - August 1, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area. Other than that, I really don`t know.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html


Feb 26, 2008 2:35 pm US/Eastern
FBI: Fabric Found In Aruba Not Natalee

An FBI analysis of fabric collected from a crab trap off Aruba showed the material did not match clothing worn by missing American Natalee Holloway, prosecutors said Tuesday.

The fabric was recovered in January by Aruban divers in about 90 feet of water as they searched for the body of the missing teenager, the public prosecutor's office said in a statement.

The FBI compared the material to a blouse worn by Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island in May 2005. The results "showed that the two materials were not a match," the statement said

http://wbztv.com/national/FBI.natalle.holloway.2.663328.html

The FBI never received the "actual" samples --JMO

[Anna]

I am curious to see if Greta will have anything on this.  So far, she is just chatting with the Governator.

[texasmom]

Good nite all - my pleasure as always



Always close to my heart.



click this and I'm sure many will love it and remember....for Natalee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSOLBMUvIE

Thanks Rob, and good night!   

[Lifesong]

Hmmm...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1115.msg151861;topicseen#msg151861

Writer/Initiator: DENNIS JACOBS/ ERIC SOEMBRS
Description: witness statement by an Automotive Center employee
 Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4

Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soerners
Description: witness statement
 Name: Judith Geerman
Date: 29 July 2005
Pages: I

Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3

- not to mention Paulus Van der Sloot



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg900583#msg900583

Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on August 04, 2009, 04:53:37 PM

Quote from: jen3560 on August 04, 2009, 04:18:57 PM

Quote from: klaasend on August 04, 2009, 04:17:06 PM

Quote from: jen3560 on August 04, 2009, 04:15:19 PM

Quote from: klaasend on August 04, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
Found this link from Marlene Purcell's facebook.   

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/273176/27866937?m=fb5a6ed7&_fb_fromhash=71014b40b38c6372ff21f4e1cce4720a

SHAME ON LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK & BETH TWITTY



List of all members:

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/view_members?cause_id=273176&_fb_fromhash=71014b40b38c6372ff21f4e1cce4720a

Note this member:


Shahaira R Geerman joined the cause.

Yeah, I thought the list might come in handy 

I'd say so!!  IF this person can be tied to the pond hoax witness, then I think we might have a big BINGO here!

Lots of interesting names.  Even Clyde Burke.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg800356;topicseen#msg800356


CapsLockWizard shares about himself with ScaredMonkeys:

He is 50 years old and he is the care giver for his father.
His brother works for immigration at the airport
His uncle is an attorney
He said he knows Clyde Burke very well and has worked closely with him on some things.

[Anna]

One thing that is confusing me is that I thought this interview with Joran was the one with the polygraph.  Jaap seems to imply that Joran didn't pass it but doesn't say on what points.  I'm pretty sure he failed on the part about did he do anything to cause Natalee's death.

But what if he passed on the swamp/marsh part?  That is really going to be confusing to me.

[Lifesong]

One thing that is confusing me is that I thought this interview with Joran was the one with the polygraph.  Jaap seems to imply that Joran didn't pass it but doesn't say on what points.  I'm pretty sure he failed on the part about did he do anything to cause Natalee's death.

But what if he passed on the swamp/marsh part?  That is really going to be confusing to me.

Anna, I don't know that he'll pass the polygraph on the swamp/marsh part...but if he does it could simply be because they stashed the body there at the edge of it the first night and then went out in the Gottenbos boat the next night.

Isn't interesting how none of the news reports are including that little detail that he's hooked up to a polygraph for this "confession".

[Anna]

Greta says she will have "the latest" after the commercial.  So far, still politics.

[klaasend]

Greta says she will have "the latest" after the commercial.  So far, still politics.

Thanks Anna

[Anna]

One thing that is confusing me is that I thought this interview with Joran was the one with the polygraph.  Jaap seems to imply that Joran didn't pass it but doesn't say on what points.  I'm pretty sure he failed on the part about did he do anything to cause Natalee's death.

But what if he passed on the swamp/marsh part?  That is really going to be confusing to me.

Anna, I don't know that he'll pass the polygraph on the swamp/marsh part...but if he does it could simply be because they stashed the body there at the edge of it the first night and then went out in the Gottenbos boat the next night.

Isn't interesting how none of the news reports are including that little detail that he's hooked up to a polygraph for this "confession".

Yes, I do find that interesting.  And while they are not admissible in court, I think it is worthy of mentioning and also what makes this "confession" also worthy of more attention from the authorities.  They don't "believe in" polygraphs in their system I know but at least they could listen a bit less skeptically because of it.  Or so it would seem.

I wish we could watch the interview in English so we would know better exactly what was asked and how it was worded, etc.

[Anna]

Well, Greta was a disappointment.  Basically, she read the article that was first posted this morning.

Bummer on that.

[klaasend]

From Alberto's facebook:  Renfro sure is busy tonight 

[texasmom]

2/24/2010 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/



Papiamentu translation:

they're follow, but till what day? declaracion haci for joran van der sloot cu natalee holoway is bury in one dam at aruba, not have nothing of berdad

yesterday in the.o. telegraaf y another medionan of comunicación, owing to go back come cu one grabacion cu of acuerdo cu ministerio publico at aruba, is one news old. dicho grabacion owing to being haci year happen y now, is bay worde happen n’e plant of televicion rtl5 because; algo new.

lamentable of the desaroyo here is, cu the news here owing to being copia (atrobe) for medionan of comunicación mericano, where once more is place aruba in one luz negative.

are you ask about do you self, is kico have behind all the grabacion old here? some observador owing to tell, cu this is coin y nothing more. have person wanted saca advantage financiero for of the situation here, now cu paul van der sloot owing to fayece, the storia of natalee holoway is go back arise cabez.

ministerio publico at aruba owing to analisa the grabacion here for of year happen, y owing to achieve cu the do not nothing relevante. pesey never they owing to interesa for detene joran van der sloot once more. ministerio publico is considera the news here, because; one of tanto fantasianan of joran van der sloot.

at aruba, majority person is fada cu the caso of natalee holloway. have to place one stop behind this y in they also ministerio publico, cu have the investigacion still open. at may now, is haci just 5 year cu natalee holloway owing to desaparece y till today not have his pista where the can is.

[Keepthefaith]

VERY SIMPLE...How do the Aruban authorities know these are lies?Because they know what happened.They know how the cover-up took place.Because they were involved!

ARUBA

NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S

GETTIN THA BEST OF YA

IT'LL NEVER STOP,UNTIL SHE TOUCHES AMERICAN SOIL

UNTIL THEN.....