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Thanks Nut, Muffy Bee.


me thinks I need to go find me posts from late last eve alot of "good stuff" happeing here and on Blinkoncrime.com yesterday.. brb 

Good morning Blink  (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/1.gif)

Good morning monks

Good Morning, I was looking at the pic of Timothy Lawless, and the three pics of the man that is unidentified. I'm terrible at comparing pictures, the only thing I'm noticing is the unidentified man has fuller lips, other then that he does look similar.

Nut et al:

I have to disagree with you re: the 3 pics of perp #13 - that is NOT Tim Lawless. He is MUCH bulkier (neck, shoulders, etc), different shaped head & eyes/eyebrows are all wrong. Take a closer look at the pic I posted in the last thread of him with wife Chona or the baseball team pic posted on Blink.

Sorry to disagree. . . . Anybody read my last post re: Chona (last thread, page 97)?

Wow Muffy, nice work!  Just reading back and catching up but great job on the thread change!

Thank you.
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Edit to shrink smiley.

IMO, not the same person if Timothy Lawless is who you were thinking of:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/TimLawlessPic1.jpg)

Yes, I did, and you could be right about the wife divorcing him, because she got wind of his activities.

Morning monkeys!
Perhaps we will get some good news today and another missing child will be found and returned to their family...wouldn't that be groovy? saying a quick prayer that will happen....

Wow, Blink. You never cease to amaze me. Keep up the good work. Looks like you need troll repellant over there.  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/)

Don't think this has been posted yet....wht's with the Lawless name and child molesters!   ::MonkeyEek::

http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/


Timothy Lawless - Pedophile tells judge Child Porn is his ‘therapy’


    A 24-year-old Calais man told a Washington County Superior Court judge that looking at child pornography served as a form of therapy for him after working with abused children helped him confront his own demons of child abuse.

    Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”


Judge E. Allen Hunter nonetheless sentenced Timothy Lawless on Wednesday to three years in prison with all but 120 days suspended. Lawless could have been sentenced to up to 10 years behind bars.

Lawless was placed on six years probation and ordered to perform 600 hours of community service. He also has to register as a sex offender for the next 10 years and complete a psychological evaluation from a mental health professional trained in sexual abuse issues.

“He needs some professional health intervention to deal with these issues,” the judge said.

On Feb. 5, Lawless entered guilty pleas to two counts of dissemination and two counts of possession of sexually explicit material. The incidents occurred from November 2006 until May 2007 when he was caught. Some of the images police confiscated were of children under the age of 12, while others were of minors under the age of 18. Lawless admitted he sent two e-mails with sexually explicit images attached to them — one to an individual in the United Kingdom and the other to someone in Scotland. In all, 300 pictures were found in Lawless’ Internet accounts.

On the witness stand Tuesday, Lawless said he was 9 years old when he was sexually abused over a three-day period by a 17-year-old. He said he was ashamed and never told anyone.

In May 2004, Lawless said he was hired first part time and later full time as a behavioral tech at the Calais Children’s Project, a residential treatment program for children who suffer from a variety of medical, emotional, neurological and behavioral problems. He is no longer employed there.

He testified that working at the treatment center brought back memories of his own abuse. He said he felt a connection with the children and felt he could help “fix” the kids, especially those who had been sexually abused.

“I felt my experience would help them,” he said.

Lawless went on the Internet in 2006. He said he looked at the child pornography as a kind of therapy because the images disgusted him and made him cry. He denied he had received sexual gratification from the pictures.

On May 7, Calais police told Lawless they had found the porn in his Internet account and confronted him. He told police his computer had crashed, so they were unable to examine it. After he was arrested, Lawless accepted responsibility and sought counseling. Lawless said he would prefer probation to jail.

“I’d rather be dead than sit in prison,” he told the judge.

Under cross-examination by First Assistant District Attorney Paul Cavanaugh, Lawless didn’t have an answer for why he disseminated the pornographic images to two others with comments such as “Hope you’re not disappointed,” and “Hope you like it.”

When asked why he hadn’t sought counseling from trained professionals at the treatment center, Lawless said he didn’t feel he could trust them because of how they treated the children. He said they “hollered” at them.

Lawless’ psychotherapist, John Helmstadter of Alexander, testified that in the past Lawless kept his problems “bottled up” inside, but with counseling he had confronted them.

Helmstadter suggested Lawless be placed on probation and allowed to participate in community service. “I think this is a man well on his way to being salvaged,” he testified.

Lawless’ mother, Carmen Small of Robbinston, said her son never confided in her that he had been molested. Had she known, she said, she would have sought help for him. She said her son was a “24-year-old virgin” who did not abuse drugs or alcohol. “He was a victim. I wish he’d told me. He has owned up to it and sought help,” she said.

During closing arguments, Lawless’ attorney, Jeffrey Davidson of East Machias, noted his client was not a predatory individual.

“This is not a case of a person seeking out children and preying on them. This is not for profit. Three hundred images is not a lot of pictures in the Internet world,” he said.

Davidson also noted the images were not of youngsters engaged in sexual acts with adults, but were of naked youngsters sitting in various positions. “Tim did make victims of these children but not for self-gratification. He did it to deal with his own issue,” he said.

Cavanaugh disagreed. He said Lawless frequented child pornography sites and forwarded those images on to others. To say the children were just posing, Cavanaugh argued, minimized how serious the incident was.

During sentencing, the judge noted that Lawless had taken responsibility for what he had done, but believed the Calais man was in denial. He rejected Lawless’ argument that he had received no sexual gratification from the images.

“His statement lacks the ring of truth,” the judge said.

He also rejected Lawless’ argument that working with children with problems similar to his helped not only him, but also the children.

“That just doesn’t compute,” the justice said. “[And] his criticism that the staff abused children was not believable … and undermines his credibility.”

Although Lawless’ attorney asked for time before his client had to report to jail, the judge rejected that request. “The day is here, he needs to go,” Hunter said.

Lawless was placed in handcuffs and taken to the Washington County Jail.

Izzy thanks for that article  ::MonkeyEek::

welcome :)

I also found a site called courtrecords.org  You do have to pay for the records



    
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Name    Age    Location    Result
LANE LAWLESS    -    DALLAS, TX    View Results
LANE LAWLESS    78    TRACY, CA    View Results
LANE L LAWLESS    78    TRACY, CA    View Results



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View ALL results for Clifford Lawless
Name    Age    Location    Result

CLIFFORD LAWLESS    55    GALVA, KS    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    STAFFORD, TX    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    55    GALVA, KS    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    HOUSTON, TX    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    DALLAS, TX    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    GALVA, KS    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    67    GREENVILLE, SC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    67    DENVER, CO    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    33    ASHEVILLE, NC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    ASHEVILLE, NC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    LAKE JUNALUSKA, NC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    34    ASHEVILLE, NC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    33    ASHEVILLE, NC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    33    ASHEVILLE, NC    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    UTICA, NY    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    55    GALVA, KS    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    77    TRACY, CA  ASHEVILLE, NC View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    55    GALVA, KS    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    GALVA, KS    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    JAMESTOWN, KY    View Results
CLIFFORD LAWLESS    -    JAMESTOWN, KY    View Results



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View ALL results for Melissa Lawless
Name    Age    Location    Result

MELISSA LAWLESS    -    GASTONIA, NC    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    SAN ANTONIO, TX    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    OKLAHOMA CITY, OK    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    BOWLING GREEN, KY    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    HAMILTON, OH    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    CHATHAM, VA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    OKLAHOMA CITY, OK    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    SAN DIEGO, CA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    TRACY, CA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    GILBERT, AZ    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    PHILADELPHIA, PA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    DORCHESTER, MA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    EDMOND, OK    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    ENGLEWOOD, OH    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    CRYSTAL LAKE, IL    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    LANGHORNE, PA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    NEDERLAND, TX    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    TOLONO, IL    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    DUNSTABLE, MA    View Results
MELISSA A LAWLESS    -    SAN ANTONIO, TX    View Results
MELISSA A LAWLESS    38    BRIDGEPORT, PA    View Results
MELISSA A LAWLESS    28    QUINCY, MA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    28    DUNSTABLE, MA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    28    DORCHESTER,    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    28    DORCHESTER, MA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    RATHDRUM, ID    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    28    TYNGSBORO, MA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    SPOKANE, WA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    27    ODEM, TX    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    27    LA HABRA, CA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    -    SAN BERNARDINO, CA    View Results
MELISSA LAWLESS    28    ANNAPOLIS, MO    View Results


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Name    Age    Location    Result

MELISSA HUCKABY    -    MODESTO, CA    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    FONTANA, CA    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    HUNTSVILLE, AL    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    WASECA, MN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    LEBANON, KY    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    28    SUTHERLAND, IA    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    GREENWOOD, IN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    CAMPBELLSVILLE, KY    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    GRAMMER, IN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    OAKLAND, TN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    LA FOLLETTE, TN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    FALLON, NV    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    ROGERS, AR    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    PALESTINE, TX    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    WEST HAVEN, CT    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    NEW HAVEN, CT    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    NEW HAVEN, CT    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    COLUMBUS, IN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    28    LOWRY CITY, MO    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    -    KNOXVILLE, TN    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    28    SUTHERLAND, IA    View Results
MELISSA HUCKABY    28    TRACY, CA    View Results


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Name    Age    Location    Result

CONNIE LAWLESS    48    BURNA, KY    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    37    WEST SALEM, OH    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    43    PALISADE, NE    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    63    COLUMBUS, IN    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    63    COLUMBUS, IN    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    ANDERSON, SC    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    29    BROOKVILLE, IN    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    68    TRACY, CA    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    BURNA, KY    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    MOORES HILL, IN    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    SMITHLAND, KY    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    BROOKVILLE, IN    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    BURNA, KY    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    SMITHLAND, KY    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    -    COLUMBUS, IN    View Results
CONNIE J LAWLESS    63    COLUMBUS, IN    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    67    TRACY, CA    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    67    TRACY, CA    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    49    RUSSELL SPRINGS, KY    View Results
CONNIE LAWLESS    58    BURBANK, CA    View Results


Way TOO many Timothy Lawless so I only searched Calif

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Name    Age    Location    Result

TIM LAWLESS    61    EL CAJON, CA   FRESNO, CA View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    61    FRESNO, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    47    LOS ALTOS, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    -    SACRAMENTO, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    61    FRESNO, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    61    FRESNO, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    67    HAYWARD, CA SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    -    HAYWARD, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY J LAWLESS    -    RANCHO CORDOVA, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    47    MILPITAS, CA RAMONA, CA View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    -    SAN FRANCISCO, CA    View Results
TIMOTHY LAWLESS    36    SAN FRANCISCO, CA    View Results

Do you know what state this was in?

First Missionary Baptist Church
http://www.fmbcbellflower.org/groupschedule.html



    * Message-Based Youth Bible Study


          o Taught by Louie Springer, Denise Springer, and Brett Lawless (English)

          o Where: Church Campus – Youth Building

          o Who: Jr. High – High School

          o When: 7:00 pm


    * Cypress-Area Message-Based Bible Study Group


          o Taught by Ron Cash and Brian Lawless (English)

          o Where: Meets in the Cash home

          o Who: Adults

          o When: 6:30 pm

Good morning everyone!
Regarding the pic....Do you think there could be a bit of distortion with the computer pic? 

Maybe Oregon?

Love your new avi. That could be, I think the two men's lips are different, but that could be some kind of distortion.

From the info posted his wife divorced him in 2007.  The photo of he and his wife, obviously had to be taken prior to that time. Who knows, it could have been taken 4 - 5 yrs prior.

The FBI photo showed that this individual was wanted for an act in Jan 2008, in Indiana.  People travel all over...  The computer pic is very close up, indicating to me features look larger than they are.

Well, Blink sent it on to the FBI for their tests.  Guess we will find out if it is indeed the same person. 

Blink ~  The FBI article indicated the state of Indiana, Hammond was mentioned.  Not sure if City of Hammond, or if there is also a County named Hammond.

Do you have any further information about this crime.

Thanks! Wyks found the little monkey and CBB made it for me! She is adorable and I just love her! 

Regarding  the pic of the man, It could go either way imo

Does anyone know how many of the Lawless clan are pastors? I am coming across quite a bit of them all in the Baptist churches

Seems like there are 2 Professions/interests in this family, You are either a preacher or you victimizing children and then of course, could be both!

Isn't that the truth!   ::MonkeyEek::

Looks like it is in Maine.  Found this link:

 Calais man charged in porn case
Article from:Bangor Daily News Bangor, ME Article date:May 12, 2007 Author: DIANA GRAETTINGER ; OF THE NEWS STAFF More results for: Calais Police Washington County Timothy Lawless | Copyright informationCopyright 2007 Bangor Daily News Bangor, ME. Provided by ProQuest LLC. (Hide copyright information) 

CALAIS - A 23-year-old local man was arrested Friday and charged with dissemination of sexually explicit material.

Bail for Timothy Lawless was set at $10,000 unsecured. Lawless was arrested around 2 p.m. Friday.

He is expected to appear in Washington County Superior Court in July.

Sgt. David Randall of the Calais Police Department said Friday that the Washington County Sheriff's Department and the Attorney General's Office assisted in the case.

More charges are possible against Lawless, Randall said.

If convicted, Lawless could be sentenced up to five years.

Randall declined to elaborate on the case except to say the Police Department had received an anonymous tip.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11822944.html

Just a quick note, on the "where filed" issue.. It does not mean that it had to have occuured in Indianna for it to be filed there.. It could mean an entire host of things, ie: where it was found on someone's computer, the address of the victim, etc.. Until he is caught, we won't know that. Also, it could be just the Agent assigned's office..
I don't know whether it could be him or not, but the FBI will be able to tell if it is something they need to run down.
Thanks for posting that in any event, this site gets an unbelievable amount of viewers daily- maybe blowing up this freaks mug will get him caught that way..
B

That's a very good point, someone just might recognize this man, one just never knows.

Carmichael Baptist Church
2007 Bible Conference - Preachers

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/Conference_Preachers2_copy.jpg)

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/web_preachers.jpg)

(From Left to right)
Brother Jason Williams - Alisal Baptist Church, Salinas, CA
Pastor T. P. Crawford - Landmark Missionary Baptist Church, Hayward, CA
Pastor Michael Carling - Free Grace Baptist Church, Yuba City, CA
Brother Joey Jaco - Friendship Missionary Baptist Church, Sacramento, CA
Pastor James McDowell - Heritage Baptist Church, Elk Grove, CA
Elder Arthur Mellon - Clover Road Baptist Church, Tracy, CA
Pastor Chris Silvey - Friendship Missionary Baptist Church, Sacramento, CA
Pastor Royce Smith - Bethel Baptist Church, Choctaw, OK
Pastor William L. Brown, Carmichael Baptist Church, Carmichael, CA
Pastor Dewayne Harris - Salisal Baptist Church, Salinas, CA
Brother John Bunyun Crawford, Grants Pass, OR
Elder Wayne Camp - Central Baptist Church, Grenada, MS
Pastor Dennis Riddick, Twinbrook Hills Baptist Church, Hamilton, OH
Pastor Paul Little, Cool Baptist Church, Cool, CA
Pastor Gene Plaskett, Greenfield Baptist Church, Greenfield, CA
Pastor Frank McClanahan - Meadow Thorpe Baptist Church, Lexington, KY
Pastor Dean Robinson - Bethel Baptist Church, Lawton, OK
Pastor Lane Lawless, Clover Road Baptist Church, Tracy, CA
Pastor J. C. Settlemoir - New Testament Baptist Church, Brownsburg, IN
Pastor Bill Downing - Sovereign Grace Baptist Church, Morgan Hill, CA
Pastor Larry Banks - Fellowship Baptist Church, Winslow, AR
Pastor John Vondoloski - Liberty Baptist Church, Medford, OR
Pastor Don Akins, Moreno Valley Baptist Church, Moreno Valley, CA
     

2006 Bible Conference Pictures

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/Lane_Lawless.JPG)

This is a collage so I couldn't get a seperate pic of Lane & Connie

(http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/jpg%20images/Conference/webconf2.gif)


A Page of Links
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We do not endorse all the material of every link listed below. Some of the links are added for the sake of research material, many are of other Baptist churches of like faith and order. Not all Baptist churches are just alike and with those listed below you will find differences.

We are now adding a new set of links that point to some historical Baptist works that are now online for viewing. We have listed for your use over 150 volumes (links) of valuable works. If you know of any Baptist works that are presently published through the web we would love to view them and put a link if possible. See "Books Online" below as well as "Goggle Books Online." Don't miss some of the old Baptist periodicals listed in the left hand column. Most of these are in a pdf file format, are word searchable and downloadable. Have fun!

W. L. Brown

Thanks Izzy  ::MonkeyWink::

Southern Baptist Sex Offenders
http://timmybrister.com/2007/04/14/southern-baptist-sex-offenders/

I just noticed that the Timothy Lawless that was arrested in 2007 (in Maine) was 23 years old at the time.

Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306

RED ALERT! MARY MARIA'S SISTER FACING PERSECUTION!
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Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:

Wt????

OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.

Jeb is another nutcase running around. IMHO Shocking, isn't it  ::MonkeyShocked::

G'Mornin Monkeys!
 ::MonkeyDance::
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That's what I said!!!!

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/mad.gif) WT...???

 ::MonkeyEek:: wth!!!!

I don't want to keep stacking but you know what this goes to
 Them's some weird ass people  ::MonkeyConfused::

Great Post Izzy! ::MonkeyCool::

Monkeys,
This article has a lot of info., not all new but worth the read.

Snipped:
"According to public records, Huckaby lives with her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, who is pastor of the church, which is just 500 yards from their home.

Her marital status was unclear Saturday.

"She spent an extraordinary amount of time" at the church, Sheneman said.

Police seized evidence from the church, but Sheneman declined to identify it. He said authorities had "significant details" on Huckaby's criminal record but would not discuss them.

According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.

Oops!
Here's the LINk for the above article on Melissa...
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/03_04/2009_04_11_LosAngelesTimes_SundaySchool.htm (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/03_04/2009_04_11_LosAngelesTimes_SundaySchool.htm)
Need more coffee!

I used to live in Virginia... long time ago....

Anyway - In Virginia there are people up in the mountains that came over and fought in the civil war for the south. Ever wonder why there's no East Virginia?

These people are the Morris' and the Shifflett's.

There are only so many ways to spell Morris, but there are quite a few ways to spell Shifflett.

Shiflet
Shifflet
Shifflett
Shiflett

See, these people are all related, they just all changed the spellings around and kinda made their own clans, but they are all distantly related to the first people that came over as mercenaries for the south. They were promised some land and other goodies and I guess life wasn't so good in Ireland where they came from.

I think it's possibly the same thing with the spelling of Huckaby / Huckabee. They are related, just different spellings.

If you figure 25 years per generation - 1865 (roughly, for the Emancipation Proclamation) to 1920's for some of the Lawless / Huckabee / Huckaby clans - that's only 2 generations of minor name changing to get where you are today.

**I understand that Lawless could be a name change**

sister Mary perhaps?
WTF?

What the heck is Biblical justification? I seriously am asking, I was born and raised a Catholic, and I'm not grasping this. Justification for killing a kid?

I just wanted add that I also realize that Melissa is using her married name currently.

What the heck was that "TWIN" business too? WTH??  ::MonkeyRoll:: Did she have another name as Mary Marie and is known under that pseudonym elsewhere?

I'll tellya if that lunatic that made that absurd post is remotely of the same mind set as Melissa Huckaby - The "PUBLIC OUTRAGE" makes total sense.

Good Lawd.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 

They are not only weird but very scary. I read a post about how to tell if your baby boy is gay. Well they suggest mouthing objects is a sign and a child/baby should have the item smacked out of their hand. Our friend who says MH was only following god word? Well he said a few minutes in afreezer will work! Another posts suggests shaking a baby if he is drooling, babiling, crying (????)  because that is a sign he is possed by the devil? WTH??? Is this site for real? Is it a joke type of site?  This cannot honestly be a real religious site, can it? Shocked!!! It is a spoof, right? These people should be reported!

Did anyone check the background of...Jeb Thurmond?????

Landover Baptist Church - Jeb Thurmond

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Wow - just WOW!

yeah I forgot to tell you to read the forums  ::MonkeyConfused::  strange things posted!!!  They even have a Men's only forum....I won't mention the name of it lol!

Sister Mary Maria was tested by the Lord from birth when He had her born into a Hell-bound Catholic family. Her Pope-loving family were so addled by idolatry they named her after our Savior's incubator not once but twice!

When she reached adulthood, Mary Maria was so confused about her identity that she entered a cloistered nunnery and stayed there for several years, where she participated in unnatural and unholy abominations. One day, a priest, taking time from diddling a young altar boy, stopped by the convent and dropped a King James 1611 Bible by the furnace with the intent of burning it that evening along with some boys' stained undergarments he had collected that week. Mary Maria found this Bible and was prompted by God to open it up. That was the beginning of her salvation, and she shortly left the convent and the Papist "church."

Hitchhiking her way home, she was picked up by Deacon Wilkins of the Landover Baptist Church who ministered to her in the back seat of his Lincoln Town Car. He brought her to Freehold where she made her new home. With the help of Jesus and many hours of private devotionals in Pastor's study,  she soon started to prosper.

Mary Maria, inspired by the Holy Spirit, invented the Born-Again Baby Dolls that come with birth certificates and scripture to help young True Christian™ girls grow up to be Godly wives and mothers. The latest dolls come with nightgowns embroidered with: Thank you Jesus that my mommy didn't abort me, and are available in fine True Christian™ stores everywhere. Mary Maria no longer owns the company she founded though, as she transferred ownership over to the Godly husband she met at Landover, Mr. Joseph Whitford, a successful ex-sodomite graduate of Betty Bowers' B.A.S.H. ministries and the owner of a large chain of hair salons and barber shops.

Currently, Mrs. Whitford now cheerfully submits to her husband and wants only to make him and Jesus happy by bearing as many sons as God will bless them with.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/thestaff/ladies/marymaria.html

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Her pic is there. I just dont feel like copying it and loading it to a bucket. She LOOKS like Melissa Huckaby.

Yea,
You know what else???
They over 7,000 members at that forum!(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee245/CharIHS/wtg.gif)

That is just sick!!  Wow is right. ::MonkeyNoNo::

HUH??? WTH???  ::MonkeyEek::

Sister Mary Marie Bio.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/thestaff/ladies/marymaria.html

Sister Mary Maria was tested by the Lord from birth when He had her born into a Hell-bound Catholic family. Her Pope-loving family were so addled by idolatry they named her after our Savior's incubator not once but twice!

When she reached adulthood, Mary Maria was so confused about her identity that she entered a cloistered nunnery and stayed there for several years, where she participated in unnatural and unholy abominations. One day, a priest, taking time from diddling a young altar boy, stopped by the convent and dropped a King James 1611 Bible by the furnace with the intent of burning it that evening along with some boys' stained undergarments he had collected that week. Mary Maria found this Bible and was prompted by God to open it up. That was the beginning of her salvation, and she shortly left the convent and the Papist "church."

Hitchhiking her way home, she was picked up by Deacon Wilkins of the Landover Baptist Church who ministered to her in the back seat of his Lincoln Town Car. He brought her to Freehold where she made her new home. With the help of Jesus and many hours of private devotionals in Pastor's study,  she soon started to prosper.

Mary Maria, inspired by the Holy Spirit, invented the Born-Again Baby Dolls that come with birth certificates and scripture to help young True Christian™ girls grow up to be Godly wives and mothers. The latest dolls come with nightgowns embroidered with: Thank you Jesus that my mommy didn't abort me, and are available in fine True Christian™ stores everywhere. Mary Maria no longer owns the company she founded though, as she transferred ownership over to the Godly husband she met at Landover, Mr. Joseph Whitford, a successful ex-sodomite graduate of Betty Bowers' B.A.S.H. ministries and the owner of a large chain of hair salons and barber shops.

Currently, Mrs. Whitford now cheerfully submits to her husband and wants only to make him and Jesus happy by bearing as many sons as God will bless them with.

The website is a spoof, fake.  Just a bunch of crazies posting there for shock value.

Some of these people when they die? well, I am sure God himself will ask the question, WTheck???  Honestly, this has to be a spoof site. People are honestly smarter then this, right? 

Oh thank god! I had a feeling but geez after everything that has happened, you just never know! Whew! I can now breath...

Oh dear G-d... someone tell me that's all a parody site and not real. Click the profiles of the women's association. You won't believe what you see.

It's all drag queens, lesbian bikers and the certifiable. Someone tell me that's all a joke.  ::MonkeyConfused::

And nothing against lesbian bikers, but this church is nuts.

Jeb Thurmond does not come-up in their data-base.

Someone tell me that's all a joke. It can't be real.

I think everyone should practice whatever religion they choose, but this is a little off the wall if you ask me.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Wow!!!   I thought it looked a little ..well a lot...weird!   Even if it is a spoof the people who are posting on there must be really twisted also!

somehow I saw Connie fitting in well over there.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas, you have mail, its kinda important,    sorry for the interuption monkeys......

I sure hope it is not a real site, but look at the number of posts on other threads.  Very weird stuff over there.  Makes me sick to think there are people like that.

By the way, I just noticed your new pic & just love it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Guess it is a fake


Landover Baptist Church

The Landover Baptist Church is a fictional[1] Baptist church based in the fictional town of Freehold, Iowa. The Landover Baptist web site and its associated Landoverbaptist.net Forum are a parody of fundamentalist Christianity and the Religious Right in the United States.

The site was created by Chris Harper,[2] who obtained his Master's Degree in English Literature from George Mason University in 1993 after being expelled from Liberty University in 1989 for producing a satirical radio show which Liberty's administration found offensive.[3] The site is owned by a company called Americhrist, Ltd.

Click the link to read more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church

Other version
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Landover_Baptist_Church&direction=next&oldid=173387351

Anyone have some ideas for researchin' ? ::MonkeyWink::

Thank goodness that all got cleared up.
Sure had my blood pressure rising.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm so happy to hear that this site is a spoof, because when I saw this, Custom Designed  Menstrual Shacks Exquisitely Crafted!, I just about feel out of my chair  ::MonkeyEek::

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry about the OT but I need to know how to get in touch with klass, and I see you are here in Sandra's thread.

norose....thanks for the laugh!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I have already spent too much time on here so I'm off to straighten up the house before my hubby gets home  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Hopefully the other links that I posted will be helpful to some of you in your research.

Yea I thought I was about to pop a blood vessel in my head! Honestly, I was going to report this site to the FBI, lol. Oh that would have been embarrassing!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Seems to be werkin' for em, eh??  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Does that mean I can't order some t-shirts ? ::MonkeyWink::

Connie Lawless's brother:

Our Pastor

Elder Arthur DeWayne Harris was saved and baptized at the age of nine, and entered the ministry when he was 18 years of age. Ordained by the Douglas Street Missionary Baptist Church of Omak, Washington, he began his pastorate work in May, 1963.

He attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose, California; doing course studies in Theology, Church History, New Testament Greek, and Homiletics. Upon completion of all required courses, he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary. Although he found classroom studies to be very helpful as well as rigorous, he accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, Elder A.A. Harris, who went to be with the Lord in November, 1989.

Elder Harris has been pastoring the Alisal Baptist Church for over 31 years and is the Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. He also distributes monthly Sunday School Literature to various churches of like faith.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:U8yOXOVaC9wJ:www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php+A+A+Harris+baptist&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Yes, you can!  You can also order a clock of Jesus with the words "Jesus is watching you pooping!" 

Blue from me.. Isnt that mentioned as a college in that freak site?

Lone monkey, I think it was you who asked about ideas to research: I would definately research the licences and insurances, indoctrinations, etc, associated with the state of California and if these folks are compliant. Any filings for the church, churches in question.
B

Okie-Doke Blink....
I'm on it and I'll Be BAAAACK! ::MonkeyCool::

Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


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A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.
http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html  (http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html)


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html (http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html)


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Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/)
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   ::MonkeyEek::


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   ::MonkeyEek::

Skype?  Sorry, need some humour, chasing down all these pastors is making my head spin.  They seem very interrelated...one could almost use the word as incestuously related?

There are really 2 things I take away from this article.  First, Sheneman's comment about MH spending an extraordinary amount of time at the church, while in the same breath commenting that they have significant details about her criminal history tells us a lot--it certainly supports the porn ring theory.

Second, while I've thought a lot over the past few weeks about how Sandra's mother is doing, it never quite dawned on me how hard her brother and sisters, namely the 11 year old sister, are handling this, until I read this article.  I'm sure they were incredibly close being they were so close in age.  Admittedly, that simple sentence brought tears to my eyes.

Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Once the donations start rolling in, he can go do a ...out of town...trip, so he says, and pastor the other church until the donations keep rolling in.  These people have to live, and without jobs, guess the good hearted working people have been supporting their A$$es.

Holy Mary Mother of God..that is the sickest post I have ever read ..what evil lurks in these people's hearts. 

How they can even consider themselves people of God when they write such trash! 

Their headline says it all..Unbelievers Unwelcome..most churches are hoping the unbelievers (usually phrased non-believers) will come in and sit a spell to be able to show them God's true acceptance and kindness.   

These people worship a God that has nothing to do with Christianity and more to do with ignorance.

Okay..I get it is a spoof..but truly..under present circumstances with this case..is that at all funny?  Why do they think it is funny to make fun of religion..I think the cast of characters in this crime are way ahead of them in that realm.

Yes that is him, he is also in other pics that I posted from that website

Sorry!  Pressed enter before I posted.  Here are some links for you.  I don't have time to check them, have to leave to pick up my son from school.

http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=Warner+Alliance+Church

Hey Guys-

Anyone interested working through the recent arrest of Timoth J Lawless and the connection to Melissa Huckaby, I started this thread. We are approaching 300 comments on this article and I think its a better idea to get lots of monkey eyes on the developments..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4964.msg787374#msg787374

Blink here is what I gathered on the whole Famdangaly.  The DOB's will help with determinign who is father and who is son.  It also lists other possible alias, as they go between Mom's maiden and married names:

Lawless
Short
Tieken, and
Gomes

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married himcaifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken


Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for marilyn and manuel gomes

Does Timothy Lawless have any children???

Did anyone notice the guy in the back in front of the window with the fat bottom lip??? Wonder who he is and does am I wrong or does he look like a shaved version of the perp in the video???

He does  ::MonkeyEek::

My goodness I had to read this post 3 times! This case is officially over my head. I am a newby after all. I cannot keep track of all of this information. I am going to over there in the corner watching and learning from all of you smart people, maybe throw a comment out every now and then.

Wyks that strikes me as odd too. Also, no one remembers him being at the church? None of the parishaners? Seems like at least one person would say, "oh yes I remember paster Lawless, he was....." But nothing! Makes me wonder if maybe he used another name or it was a cover for something else. My head hurts.

Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG - what else can I say?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Guys this is really odd.  I did a search for the divorce of Melisa and John Huckaby and found it at:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

Type in case 05D000448 , or search by name John Huckaby.

It says the marriage was dissolved without children

Melissa started divorce proceedings 01/19/2005
Judgement granted 09/09/2005

Then in 2006 there is a notice regarding payment of support
2007 a modification

Then on 04/20/20089 John files a a modification and declaration notice

04/22/2009 Melissa files an affidavit
and that same day John files an objection.

Questions:  Why would the original divorce filing say there are no children?  Is John going after custody of the daughter?

Case Number  Title  Filing Date  Category  Type 
05D000448  HUCKABY V HUCKABY  01/19/2005  DISSO WITHOUT CHILDREN  DISSO WITHOUT CHILD 

Participants
Results 1 - 4 of 4000000000000<<Previous 1
No Name Type Assoc Start Date
1 MELISSA . HUCKABY PETITIONER  01/19/2005
2 JOHN . HUCKABY RESPONDENT  01/19/2005
3 COUNTY OF ORANGE INTERVENOR  08/22/2006
4 DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES ATTORNEY FOR INTERVENOR 3 08/22/2006

Hearings
Results 1 - 5 of 5000000000000<<Previous 1
Date Time Description Judge Dept
05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE MODIFICATION WALTER POSEY L62
05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE CHILD SUPPORT,CUSTODY,V WALTER POSEY L62
08/13/2007 14:00:00 MOTION RE MODIFICATION BARRY MICHAELSON L52
05/07/2007 14:30:00 MOTION RE MODIFICATION BARRY MICHAELSON L52
09/09/2005 13:15:00 DEFAULT NANCY POLLARD L64

Register of Actions 

Results 1 - 10 of 300000000000<<Previous 1  2  3 Next>>
Docket Code Filing Date Filing Party
OPPOSITION 04/22/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
MOTION RE: JOINDER 04/22/2009 
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
POINTS AND AUTHORITIES 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION-OTHER 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE 04/22/2009 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
MINUTE ORDER 08/13/2007 
MINUTES AND/OR ORDER OR JUDGMENT - CONT. 05/07/2007
NOTICE TO PRODUCE AND APPEAR 03/12/2007 COUNTY OF ORANGE
MOTION RE: MODIFICATION 03/12/2007 COUNTY OF ORANGE
NOTICE REGARDING PAYMENT OF SUPPORT 08/22/2006 COUNTY OF ORANGE
OTHER MISCELLANEOUS DOCUMENT 09/22/2005 
STIPULATION FOR TEMP JUDGE 09/09/2005 
NOTICE OF ENTRY OF JUDGMENT 09/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
INCOME & EXPENSE DECLARATION 09/09/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
ORDER-OTHER 09/09/2005 
JUDGMENT 09/09/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
MINUTE ORDER 09/09/2005
MEMORANDUM TO SET HEARING 07/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECL-SERVICE OF FINAL DISCL 06/24/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
REQUEST TO ENTER DEFAULT 06/13/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
PROOF OF SERVICE/SUMMONS 03/08/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
APPL-WAIVER COURT FEES/COSTS 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
CONFIDENTIAL ENVELOPE 01/19/2005 
ORDER - FEE WAIVER GRANTED 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
DECLARATION-UNIFORM CUSTODY 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
SUMMONS- 30 DAY 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY
PETITION-DISSOLUTION 01/19/2005 MELISSA HUCKABY

Did they just say on JVM that the gag order has been "partially" lifted?

I heard that as well.

That female guest didn't need to say what she did . Sorry I won't repeat it .

Thank you.  I'm not good at all at multi-tasking!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Grama Monkey is joining Tracygirl & NRCG - 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Hate to even guess what was said.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wonder why a gag order would be partially lifted?

My take is they will release some information on the case, however, the autopsy report will not be released. 

Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::

Wasn't there something about him not knowing she was pregnant with his child when they divorced?  I remember something like that.

You gals want to join me over in my corner and play a nice game of gin rummy?

Yes I think I remember that.  Thank you for nudging my brain!  The new filings are interesting as well.

I love your avi Tracygirl.  Can I bid 4 hearts?

I haven't heard anything official.  The only thing I can find is from JVM's site.  I'm a little skeptical.  I recall the judge saying she'd hold a hearing to address the gag order if anyone, including the media, requested. And I haven't seen where a hearing was requested or where the judge actually heard any argument from anyone on the issue.  So, I'm not sure it's accurate.  I also saw where there was some question as to whether the case would be moved to LA with, again, no confirmation.

I think they could hold this case on Mars and it still won't matter. It will be a waist of money to have a change of venue in this one, imho course.
Northern rose, Thanks, CBB made it for me, I love her little face!

LOL- you do have some good one-liners!  I agree with you on the change of venue. Doesn't much matter.

Yes, Please! How about if I bring some fresh watermelon lemonade (spiked, of course!)? Be right over . . . darn, I don't get off work for another 2 hours! Rats.

My one liners will make you want to issue a gag order in about another week!

Tams, Watermelon Lemonade? Wow I have never had that but it sounds yummy! Of course spiked!

I haven't been on much in the last few days and don't post too much in this thread, but by all that is holy, I cannot believe what I am reading.  I am so sickened. 

Okay, spoof site.  BUT, what the heck is funny about it.  Ugh, sick.

Good Evening Monkeys ::MonkeyRoll::
It's kind of late (long day) but I wanted to check i.  Boy oh boy have you Monkeys been BUSY!  Looking forward to reading more closely ALL of your work!

Still working on Alisal Baptist...

Alisal Baptist

Snipped:
http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/missions.php (http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/missions.php)

Missions

MISSIONARY TO PAPUA, NEW GUINEA
Missionary:    Elder Frank James
Sponsoring Church:    Olmstead Baptist Church
Contact Address:    2412 Egret Dr.
Clarksville, TN 37042
Contact Phone:    (931) 542-0544 or (931) 801-8187
Email:    fandcjames@runbox.com
Contact Phone:    011-61-2-46-26-8809
MISSIONARY TO PERU
Missionary:    Elder Rodney Spears
Sponsoring Church:    Baptist Temple
Contact Phone:    (937) 288-2325
Email:    spearsrodney@msn.com
MISSIONARY TO THE PHILIPPINES
Missionary:    Elder Brent Spears
Sponsoring Church:    Bryan Station Baptist Church
Contact Address:    Blk. 29 Lot 12 Area "S"
Maharlika St., Queens Row Subd.,
Molino, Bacoor, Cavite
Email:    misionarybks@pacific.net.ph


Snipped:
http://www.thecalifornian.com/article/20090408/NEWS01/904080301 (http://www.thecalifornian.com/article/20090408/NEWS01/904080301)

Lawless said he lived in Salinas for about a year while receiving his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. Lawless said he also lived in Livermore and made the one-and-a-half hour commute to Salinas when he taught and preached at the institute.

Pastor Arthur Harris of the Alisal Baptist Church said the institute is still around but hasn't had any students or staff for a couple of years.

Harris, now the dean of the institute, described the institute as more of a Bible school as opposed to a liberal arts department. Harris confirmed Lawless received a bachelor's degree in religious studies at the institute.

More in the mornin'
    Loner
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/Gypsy48/Animals/Apes-Monkeys/monkey-2.gif)

I have a stupid question. WTH does the sign say that your dancing banana is holding, lol.

Nut - I'm not the  poster in question, , but the sign says "noob".  As in a new poster.  AKA newb, noobie, newbie.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

This was on KRON's website, and may be the source of the speculation regarding the gag order and the venue change.  Note it predated the April 24th arraignment.  Also, note that the DA's office did ask the court to clarify its gag order during that hearing, and the court responded by reading it into the record and inviting motions if anyone had a problem with it:

STOCKTON (KRON) -- Legal experts say there's a good chance Melissa Huckaby will once again put off entering a plea to murder, kidnapping, and rape charges in connection with the death of eight-year old Sandra Cantu.

Huckaby is in court for more legal proceedings in the case.  Analysts say the San Joaquin County public defender could ask for more evidence from prosecutors instead of entering a plea.  The D.A's office reportedly is considering asking Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus to lift a gag order imposed earlier this week. {EDITORIAL-According to the minute order from the court, that didn't happen at the hearing, and I'm not aware of any such motions having been filed, which I'm sure would have generated media coverage}

There's also widespread speculation defense attorneys could ask for a change of venue in the case saying it will be impossible for Huckaby to get a fair trial in San Joaquin county or the Bay Area.  They may push to move the case to Southern California.  {EDITORIAL- Based on the same order, that didn't happen either, and again, no such motions have been filed AFAIK}

Huckaby remains jailed without bail in connection with Sandra Cantu's death.  The child's body was found inside a suitcase in an irrigation pond about two miles from the mobile home park where both the victim and the alleged killer lived.

KRON 4 has exclusive video from outside the Clover Lane Baptist Church where Tracy Police served a third search warrant Thursday.  Huckaby was a Sunday School teacher at the church where her grandfather is the pastor. 

Stay tuned to KRON 4 and KRON4.com for comprehensive coverage of the Sandra Cantu case.
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1178/reftab/36/t/Huckaby-Could-Delay-Plea-at-Today-s-Hearing/Default.aspx

Edit to add the link you provided.  Thanks!
I've added a general link to the KRON website:  http://www.kron.com/

Sorry about quoting myself but I figured out a way to describe what she said without offending . She started listing reasons (from her own mind ) what the autopsy might have found . I was too mad about it last night to think of a way to put it . The good news is that the other guests sort of told her to shut up .

Thank-you

I TRULY HATE IT when people like that make such speculative remarks that have no basis in fact.  They are calculated to inflame and impassion without regard to how hurtful they may be to those viewing the program.  That's why I don't watch shows like that.  They editorialize rather than sticking to the facts as we know them simply to make the story "more interesting."  We can all think up speculative things of "what the autopsy might have found."  But here are the FACTS as we currently know them:

1.  Sandra was found fully clothed
2.  Upon examination, her body showed no visible signs of trauma
3.  Autopsy revealed signs of "genital trauma" (which would not have been visible by examination alone)

That's really it as I can recall. 

Klaas and others, here's the link to the KRON article I posted earlier:

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1178/reftab/36/t/Huckaby-Could-Delay-Plea-at-Today-s-Hearing/Default.aspx

Thank you.    :thumleft:   I've added it to your  post. 
MuffyBee

     Connie L. Lawless   2317 votes 11.6%

    * Party: Republican
    * Occupation: Care Giver

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Someone posted about this a couple days ago, she was running for some kind of office. I'm not sure if the care giver is because they had foster children, which I would like to hear more about.

I haven't been able to find any info on that.  By the way....why is she using Lane as her middle name?

Mornin' MOnkeys   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Who's ready for coffee?  I know I need it!  Had a LONG day yesterday!
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AWESOME EYES NorthernR!!! ::MonkeyDance::
I absolutely think that is him.
He has quite the honker....sorry.  But it's true. ::MonkeyTongue::
It's actually also helpful for distinguishing purposes!

...still catching up!...you BUSY Monkeys!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Mornin'
Here's a little more on that quote.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&tsp=1)

Over the past week, police searched Clover Road Baptist Church, on West Clover Road about a quarter-mile from the park, as well as a shed on the property. Investigators also questioned its pastor, Lane Lawless, who is Huckaby's grandfather, and seized a phone and computer belonging to Lawless and his wife, Connie.

Connie Lawless has said that they welcomed the police scrutiny and that investigators were probably interested in them because Sandra played with their 5-year-old great-granddaughter. Connie Lawless was elected to San Joaquin Valley's Republican Central Committee in 2006 and lost a re-election bid two years later, according to the county registrar of voters.

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I've been giving your recent posts thought and have wondered the same thing.  Almost ALL defendants enter a No Guilty plea at this early stage of the case.

Are there negotiations for a possible plea with NO Trial and sealed evidence?

These continuances and MH's past psychological history make me wonder if MH is *talking* behind bars...Either about herself OR anyone/thing related to this case.  I wonder if she is cooperating with FBI and LE...and I wonder if she has been approached with an idea like:  Either Confess OR Give us the names of others involvement.....
Both in Sandra's death and possible child porn and we will send you to a prison/hospital where you will be relatively safe from what the women in the GP would do to you.

It's just so staggering to see HOW much money can be made in child porn.  And when I see things like a church but few church members, a school with no staff....it makes me very curious!
  Loner

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Thanks for the article Tracy

Here's something I will throw out to you Monkeys...
Do we have any names of the so called Tracy60???
I would really like to know who is on that list and if ANY of those people have ANY connection the Lawless family.

FBI facts about Intenet Child Pornography...

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http://www.fbi.gov/publications/innocent.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/publications/innocent.htm)

                   Innocent Images Statistical Accomplishments

Online child pornography/child sexual exploitation investigations, which are worked under the FBI's Innocent Images National Initiative, accounted for 39 percent of all investigations worked under the FBI's Cyber Division in fiscal year 2007.
Innocent Images grew exponentially between fiscal years 1996 and 2007 with a:

    *
      2062 percent increase in Cases Opened (113 to 2443)
    *
      1003 percent increase in Informations & Indictments (99 to 1092)
    *
      2501 percent increase in Arrests, Locates & Summons (68 to 1769)
    *
      1404 percent increase in Convictions & Pretrial Diversions (68 to 1023)

Between fiscal years 1996-2007, the Innocent Images National Initiative has recorded the following statistical accomplishments:

Number of Cases Opened: 20,134
Number of Informations & Indictments: 6,844
Number of Arrests, Locates & Summons: 9,469
Number of Convictions & Pretrial Diversions: 6,863

Online Child Pornography/Child Sexual Exploitation Investigations

While investigating the disappearance of a juvenile in May 1993, FBI special agents and Prince George’s County, Maryland, police detectives identified two suspects who had sexually exploited numerous juveniles over a 25-year period. Investigation into these activities determined that adults were routinely utilizing computers to transmit sexually explicit images to minors and in some instances to lure minors into engaging in illicit sexual activity. Further investigation and discussions with experts, both within the FBI and in the private sector, revealed that the utilization of computer telecommunications was rapidly becoming one of the most prevalent techniques by which some sex offenders shared pornographic images of minors and identified and recruited children into sexually illicit relationships. In 1995, based on information developed during this investigation, the Innocent Images National Initiative was started to address the illicit activities conducted by users of commercial and private online services and the Internet.

The most common crimes investigated under the IINI are in violation of Title 18 United States Code (USC):

§ 1462. Importation or Transportation of Obscene Matters
§ 1465. Transportation of Obscene Matters for Sale or Distribution
§ 1466. Engaging in the Business of Selling or Transferring Obscene Matter
§ 1467. Criminal Forfeiture
§ 1470. Transfer of Obscene Material to Minors
§ 2241(a)(b)(c). Aggravated Sexual Abuse
§ 2251(a)(b)(c). Sexual Exploitation of Children
§ 2251A(a)(b). Selling or Buying of Children
§ 2252. Certain Activities Relating to Material Involving the Sexual Exploitation of Minors
§ 2252A. Certain Activities Relating to Material Constituting or Containing Child Pornography
§ 2253. Criminal Forfeiture
§ 2254. Civil Forfeiture
§ 2257. Record Keeping Requirements
§ 2260(a)(b). Production of Sexually Explicit Depictions of a Minor for Importation into the US
§ 2421. Transportation Generally
§ 2422. Coercion and Enticement
§ 2423(a). Transportation of Minors with Intent to Engage in Criminal Sexual Activity
§ 2423(b). Interstate or Foreign Travel with Intent to Engage in a Sexual Act with a Juvenile
§ 2425. Use of Interstate Facilities to Transmit Information about a Minor
§ 13032. Reporting of Child Pornography by Electronic Communication Service Providers

If I were a betting man, I'd bet my money on answering your question "Yes" but with this caveat:  I don't think for one minute they'd let MH off with a hospital stay.  I'd be more willing to bet that a deal could be made where the prosection would drop the charges that make MH eligible for the death penalty, grant her immunity from prosection on any child porn charges in exchange for her cooperation, and as her sentence?  She'd get to spend the rest of her life in prison where she can contemplate what she's done in a 4x7 cell for 23 hours out the day for the next 60-70 years.

By the way, I believe MH already confessed, and I think her confession is contained in the tapes the prosecution turned over to Behar.  Remember, before the gag order was entered, two facts came to light:  (1) MH admitted Sandra's died "by accident;" and (2) she admitted to authoring the "cantu, suitcase, water" note.  Both are very damning.  I agree that she would have already entered a "Not guilty" plea had she not made some sort of admission. 

 James Spencer Hagelston, 41 This is the only name associated with the child porn. He was arrested in Jan or Feb, this is when we first heard of the "Tracy 60"

Question, what is the best and least expensive site to research people? Is there one preferred over another?

Awesome.
Do you have any idea where that was reported? I did a little search and could only come up with the info from the Protect website.
http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html (http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html)
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Here' a few... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.criminalsearches.com/
http://www.anywho.com/
http://www.blackbookonline.info/
http://dockets.justia.com/
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
http://www.melissadata.com/lookups/index.htm
http://www.stevemorse.org/birthday/privateeye.html
http://www.cvgadget.com/

In looking for the Tracy 60, I came across a list of 80 registered sex offenders in the area:

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=CityList&City2=TRACY&SB=0&PageNo=1 (http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=CityList&City2=TRACY&SB=0&PageNo=1)

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A couple of paragraphs snipped from the article at the link that follows:

Research shows that a large percentage of the Tracy 60 will have local child victims. They will be parents, teachers, coaches, neighbors, even convicted sex offenders. Anyone who thinks these criminals are simply "looking at pictures" has his head deep in the sand while a human rights tragedy unfolds all around him.

Now Tracy has the opportunity to fire a shot that will be heard around the world. If they continue on with their investigation, tracking down every child pornography trafficker they have evidence of, they will surely save other Tracy children. They will prove the connection between child pornography crimes and child sexual assault in the most dramatic way possible, just when the entire nation is watching. And that will raise the stakes for communities who refuse to take similar action.

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html (http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html)

Interesting breakdown of sex offenders state by state at the following link. 

Then click on the tab at the top "find offenders" to see who is in your own areas. 

http://familywatchdog.us/offendercountbystate.asp (http://familywatchdog.us/offendercountbystate.asp)

Thank you so much for posting that, Wyks. (. . . and, Hello, by the way!) I feel that article truly sums up what we are all trying to make happen by being here & discussing/researching this; SOMEBODY needs to stand up and do whatever they can to put an end to this travesty that has been allowed to stay buried for too long. It's disheartening to read some of the posts over on Blink ridiculing us for being 'armchair detectives' - but I feel certain that all of us here are indeed part of something much larger - a grassroots organization for change. As the article stated - it would indeed be something to cheer for if we as a community could assist in leading the nation towards putting our foot down and demanding accountability for crimes against our children.

Carry on, noble monkeys!

Tams I look at it this way. If, god forbid, something else was to happen, which side do I want to be on, the side trying to help and maybe stop this or the side not willing to do anything but criticize? I think we all have chosen the right side.
 

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Thank-you Tracygirl, that case is so horrible, how can that boy ever have a normal life?

Tracygirl

I still have to go through your Posts ...  I wanted to say First I don't know what keeps you from Running ......... :2ukli: away with your kid/kids strapped under your arms .. with everything that has happened in your community in the last 18 mos ...
2nd " I love your Monkey" Avatar .. its  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

K  :smt049

No Rose you remember this story .. it happened right before Caylee was found. I do recall it was Dec 08 that this boy escaped. I can't fathom treating a pet the way this " young boy" was treated ... it escapes my mind that anyone could treat anyone the way they treated him.
I think if you see their faces it will jog your memory - Monsters that they are.
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/12/03/kelly-layne-lau-michael-schumacher-live-the-dream/

Poor kid will never be Mentally Safe .. sigh.

I don't know No Rose, it seems impossible. I know he is in protective custody so I am hoping he gets intensive therapy. This boy has been through a lot, he deserves for the rest of his life to be easy going..

Deenie, Trust me, I would love to leave but right now it is not an option. I just keep my children close by and never leave them alone. It is hard because I feel I don't have total control and that scares me.

What ROCKING posts Wyks & Tams! ::MonkeyDance::
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Just got a bigger note book...lol...

Well said, Tams.  You caught the exact reason why I joined this site and have spent countless hours over the last couple weeks hunting, searching, reading, investigating, studying, debating, analyzing, . . . you name it.  When this story first broke, I thought to myself, "Good Lord, not another missing child case.  When is this going to end?"  But then that surveillance video was released---that damn surveillance video changed something in me.  I've been practicing law for over 15 years.  During that time I've seen some of the worst of the worst things imaginable, mostly on the civil side. I won't go into the details, but nothing ever hit me harder in my heart than that damn surveillance video.  To this day, there's a part of me that wishes I would have never seen it because it still haunts me.  And it kills me inside knowing that those were the last happy moments of that child's life.  But there's another part of me that is glad I did--it's the part that now motivates me to want to be part of the solution to something that has been seemingly ignored for far too long.  Or at least to FEEL as if what I am doing MAY somehow, someday be part of the solution. 

We can be like others and stick our heads in the sand.  We can be like those who simply choose to continue debating and speculating about what happened, where it happened, how it happened, blah blah.  We can be like those who say "Wow, how unfortunate.  I hope nothing like that ever happens to me."  Or we can do something constructive and be part of a community of people that rise to the occasion and collectively scream "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH--WE DEMAND PROTECTION FOR OUR KIDS!!!!!!!" and take ACTION.  That's my choice. 

So call me an armchair detective if you want.  Ridicule me all you want for spending what little free time I have hunting and researching, etc. etc.  But the fact is, doing this at least gives us an OPPORTUNITY to contribute toward a solution--an OPPORTUNITY to help save ONE CHILD from being abused--an OPPORTUNITY to help identify ONE CHILD MOLESTER and bring him/her to justice.  For me, that's enough of an incentive, as the option is to sit back, do nothing, and say "Good Lord, not another missing child case. When is this going to end?" when the next news story breaks. 

Jess
Your post CHOKED me up!
This little face...this sweet & precious little girl!

I know what you mean about the video...
Sandra skipped that day into our hearts, and there she shall stay.
And we shall not forget.
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Sealing of People's Opposition to the Disinterment of Sandra

It's past midnight here on the East Coast. Time to catch some ZZZs.  Goodnite friends, and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Remember why we're here:


JUSTICE FOR SANDRA!

Hmmmmm....
Take a gander at this Monkeys,
Looks like another church involved sex offender in Tracy!
I'm trying to research the Tracy60 and started on the RSO page Wyks gave the link for.

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John Gaarde
288(a)     LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

1820 ALEGRE DR
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    09-19-1943
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'4"
Weight:    225
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

http://picasaweb.google.com/tracyvcbc/StaffMinistryLeaders#5263513516400129426 (http://picasaweb.google.com/tracyvcbc/StaffMinistryLeaders#5263513516400129426)
John Gaarde

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                    Staff & Ministry Leaders
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                            John Gaarde
                                (Sound)

And I just ran a quick historical person locator on this dirt bag and guess what . . . like some of the others we've been looking into. . . his social security number is flagged "SSN linked to multiple people".

G'Night Jess!
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It's getting late for me too, Monkeys!
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HUGHES      First Name: JOHN     Middle Name:  C
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288a(b)(2)     ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 16 YEARS
Specific address not subject to disclosure

   
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    
95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    02-15-1956
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'3"
Weight:    195
Eye Color:    GREEN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

Well,
We have a lot to check into tomorrow, Monkeys!
Jess You rock!

Catching up again.  Thanks JessStar for answering my questions about the potential effects of the confiscated Lawless computer in this case.  Really appreciate all the explanation and the further research you've added.  Your comments help everyone to try to figure out what might be happening on the "other side" with LE. 

I've been wondering if Melissa might be talking and implicating others in order to cut a deal with LE.  Glad you brought it up.  I agree too about the video.  When I saw Sandra skipping and swinging her arms, it literally took my breath.  To see those last carefree moments of her short life.  Devastating.  Please keep sharing your thoughts about what can likely be inferred as the case continues to develop.

Thanks to everyone else here too for all the research.  The slimy, sleazy predators, especially those that pass as "clergy" make my stomach turn.  They abuse our vulnerable, trusting children because, simply put - they CAN.   So little to stop them.  So often I've wished that children had a built in "alarm" that would go off instantly (like a loud car alarm) when someone dared to touch or hurt them. 

But no, they are so helpless.  Very little protection for them.  And with that in mind, I felt my heart race when I read that Melissa's gr/mother, Connie, took in foster kids.  OMG, MORE kids for Melissa, Lane, and Connie, and the "church" group!  Surely the state social services are checking out those children now.

I spoke to my aunt about this.  Though retired now, she was responsible for overseeing and training all the social workers in our state during her lengthy career.  She continues to have a very strong concern for the well-being of children.  (Excuse my "bragging," but she is still quoted in our newspapers.)

I asked her opinion about the possibility of finding a (public) list of names of the foster children that were in the Lawless home.   As upset about them having foster children as I was, she still answered a flat out NO.  She said in our state it's a violation of state law (privacy concerns), and she assumes it's the same in California as well.  She said the state social services should be aware of the situation now, (with the notoriety of the case.)

This keeps getting darker and darker, and sadly enough, I fear there's a whole lot more to come.  May there be justice for that precious child, Sandra...

Sorry about that. . .  I've never been much of a crusader for any specific cause or on any particular issue.  But this woke me up in a big way.  I have to do something now.

As the saying goes--there is strength in numbers (which is why I'm so proud to be part of this group).  Therefore, I propose that, over the course of the next couple of days, I will prepare a comprehensive letter to our government officials demanding action.  I'll post it for comments if you'd like so that it can contain everyone's input.  Then I'm going to ask each and every one of you to print the letter, sign the letter, and send the letter to your officials--local, state, and federal.  I'm also going to ask that you circulate it to your friends, relatives, colleages, coworkers, neighbors, what have you, for them to sign, seal and deliver.  Perhaps you can post it at the local post office, or send it to your local media outlets.  My thinking is that sending the same letter to as many recipients as possible will show organization, solidarity, and strength in numbers, which HAS to catch their attention, making it more difficult for them to ignore us.  To steal a quote from Wyks' signature:  ""Never doubt that a small group of concerned citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."  ~ Margaret Mead "

Thoughts?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Already been done? 

You can run . . . but you can't hide:

Historical Person Locator
This data is for informational purposes only.   
 
 
Finder Information
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN CHARLES
Address:   E YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA
   
Date of Birth:   02/1956
 
 
Finder Information
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   E YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA 95376
SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY
 
Finder Information
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA

Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   3592 HILLSBOROUGH DR
CONCORD, CA 94520-1561
CONTRA COSTA COUNTY


Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   192 DELANO AVE
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94112-2522
SAN FRANCISCO COUNTY
Date of Birth:   1956
 
Name:   HUGHES, JOHN C
Address:   359 YOSEMITE DR
TRACY, CA 95376
   
Reported Date:   07/1987
 
Prior Address
Address:   3160 S FRANCISCO WAY
ANTIOCH, CA 94509
Reported Date:   10/1986

BOO Monkey is celebrating a Birthday today.  Please visit the MONKEY LOUNGE....and wish Boo a Happy Birthday.. Thanks,

Thanks LM. ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks for letting us know about BM's birthday, Grama!

Can someone do a side-by-side of that Gaarde guy's pic and "Pastor" Lawless' pic?  At the very least, I think they look like brothers.  Wow.

What is it with all of this alias crap and so-called church leaders????

SHEESH!!

Thanks for all the hard work people are doing, I also think that this Gaarde guy looks a lot like Lawless  ::MonkeyEek::

it chokes me up every time I see it as well!
good post Jess....

My 6 yr old grand daughter was skipping to her mom's car yesterday when she picked her up from my house, and she pushed her hair back like Sandra did in that video and my mind went there to Sandra! I grabbed my grand daughter for another quick hug and kiss! she must think that grammy is nuts....I look into her face every day and tell her that I love her and that I am glad that we have her....I always want her to know that...

Jess...let's do it! that would be great ....good idea! count me in!
even if we sent the letter to all our contacts via email and they sent it on to their contacts and so on and so on! power in numbers....Mark K. thinks that we can do something, like the monkeys did to get the Anthony's canceled as key note speakers on that cruise ship..he has faith in us, so we can do it!

Great idea!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Then I'll make it a priority.  Look for a "draft" in the coming days.  The last line of your post has given me immeasurable hope and faith in this community.  Thank you.

Isn't Lane and Connie's daughter Joni (Melissa's aunt), married to a John Hughes?   ::MonkeyEek::

That's definitely ringing a bell.  I'm almost positive that Joni's last name is Hughes, at least. Not sure who she's married to.

not him, her husband is John P.

Great idea JessStar  ::MonkeyCool::

This is a GREAT idea.  I'm with you on this!!!!!!!!!!  Monkeys rock and I love this group.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: 

Mornin' MOnks! ::MonkeyDance::
I'm looking forward to *digging in* today!
You ALL are AWESOME!!!!!

Connie and Lane's daughter Joni, is Joni Hughes.
Not sure if that guy has a connection, but I am checking for all things hinky on the list of Tracy RSO's Wyks gave us.

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Huckaby's aunt, Joni Hughes, said prayer is especially important right now. "The only reason why our family is making it through this at all is because of our faith in God, because of His mercy and His grace to us," Hughes said.

Jess
Fantastic Idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well ::MonkeyLaugh::
I figure we all need to laugh a bit while working on this case because of the nature of the crime/s!

Count me as one of the screaming monkeys!

Hey I want to share something with you. Today it occurred to me one of the many people arrested in my town in the past 6 months was found in Sacramento. So I go and try to look up the article on the Tracy press, as I have done many times prior, but it is not there. Nor is it anywhere on the net. The details are,
A couple (parents of a 4 year old little girl), at the request of an unnamed friend, had a man move into their home. This man was a said transient but the I guess the friend assured the couple he was just down on his luck. So the couple comes to find out the man had been molesting the little four year old so they kick him out, (why they didn't shoot him first I have no idea) they kick him out, call the police and report it. After an examination of the girl it was discovered she had been raped (!) Police located this man at an apartment in West Sacramento.
Now, I do not recall the mans name but wanted to offer it up as a possible connection to TL and/or MH. I find it very odd I can find everything about any other crime, but this one has jumped off the radar.

Also, I found the article regarding a man in the trash area. Here is a link. Not sure if this story somehow got confused as being the story we heard regarding the trailer park. I don't know any more details then what is said.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Molestation%20Arrest%20=&page_label=results_content&id=2188615-Molestation+Arrest&widget=push&open=&

You know Tracy,
I am noticing bits and pieces of things disappearing off the web too!
I am starting to develop some theories in this case but have much more things to look into.  But I feel like this is the tip of the ice berg  as the other Monkeys have pointed out.

Looking forward to a tidbit from Blink! ::MonkeyCool::

Check this out. On the tracy press did a search for rape molestation, seems like there would be a lot of articles int he past 6 months? Well no! Nothing in between 15 days ago then it jumps to 6 months.

http://tracypress.com/pages/results_content?page_label=full_story&widget=search_content&string=+molestation%2C+rape&open=&

Did a search for Softball coach child porn? Nothing but a blank screen. Strange because I just posted that information, what yesterday? That is how I got the guys name.

http://tracypress.com/pages/results_content?page_label=results_content&widget=search_content&string=softball+coach+child+porn&open=&

The San Joaquin Herald is doing the same sort of thing. I looked the 4 year old girls story on KCRA and nothing. can the fbi do this?

Here's a report on the softball coach:

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=54988

Dr. Phil is talking about this case... I don't know if it is a repeat or if you guys already knew... But I'm watching it right now... He is talking to Sandra's mother right now...

Good Lord.  Then I come across this disturbing story.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=58083

I don't think the "good lord" had anything to do with this story! I think the one in opposite direction is responsible! What the bleep !

That's weird about Tracy Press, though.  And I also find that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find articles I knew I've seen in the past.  I looked for a few minutes on that other case you talked about, and I can't find anything.  Hmmm, very odd.

WOW...can you search the local police dept. for arresting information???  Should be something on there, if he was arrested and charged.

I don't know his name, I can't recall. I think this happened in February. STrange, I cannot find anything on this case anywhere! you know I may have posted it on here. I'll check my posts.

I found this site...shows arrests etc.

http://207.104.50.87/whosincustody/RecentBookings.aspx

Here is what I have found re:  Newpaper articles and links etc.
Some papers only have the current news and then if you go back a week or a month later, that article is archived and no longer there. With my hometown paper,
they want people to subscribe and they do not keep these articles around forever.
If there is something that you want, make yourself a folder and copy and paste the entire thing. Title it with the source and the date for future reference.
It might have to do with server space also. Our library has all newpapers on microfiche, but then I have to go there and not wear sleep pants. lol
Or, I could wear the sleep pants and run into someone I know.

Interesting article I found involving the fbi questioning other churches in other states.  May have already been posted?

http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2009/04/28/cantu-investigation-takes-fbi-to-rural-northwest/#more-217

Cantu investigation takes FBI to rural Northwest
By Kari Hulac
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am in Crime.

The Sandra Cantu murder investigation and its related threads have led media and FBI investigators all over the West Coast and up into the rural Northwest, where small towns like Clarkston, Wash., and nearby Lewiston, Idaho, are hearing about the Tracy girl’s story.

Late last week reporter Josh Richman managed to reach the Rev. Oliver Bittleston, pastor of the Clarkston First Church of God from 1982 to 1994, at his Clarkston home to ask him about the FBI’s visit to the church. Agents went there in connection with their investigation into murder suspect Melissa Huckaby and her family, including the Rev. Lane Lawless, whose Clover Road Baptist church in Tracy was searched as part of the Cantu investigation. Lawless was ordained in Washington state in the 1970s.

Bittleston said he’d just returned from a Clarkston grocery store, where he’d bumped into the church’s current pastor, the Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was familiar with the FBI probe and subsequent media calls.

“I have absolutely no idea, I wish that I knew something,” Bittleston said. “The only thing we can do is if there’s any interrogation or investigation that involves the church up here, we’ll have to do it in the presence of our lawyers.”

Bittleston said he has not been contacted by the authorities and has “no recollection” of Lane Lawless or of “any connection” to the Cantu case. Asked if there’d ever been allegations of child abuse and/or molestation at the church, he replied, “At one time, there was some… but it was an adult not involved with any of that name (Lawless) that I’m aware of.”

“We at the church found an elderly person who was doing some not-good things, so it went to court and he was sent into state jurisdiction” – meaning state prison, Bittleston said. “I was called in on that but I can’t see where there was any connection there… Any time that a church is working with children you’re going to have a certain amount of that … but we took it right to the authorities and it was taken care of.”

Bittleston also recalled that sometime early in his tenure at the church, “as I recall there was a young fellow and he came and immediately wanted to be associate pastor. … I didn’t feel right about it, I asked for some references. I think he was at church once or twice and he was gone.”

Bittleston said he recalled neither that person’s name nor the year in which he visited the church.

Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune City Editor Craig Clohessy said his researchers couldn’t find anything in their archives about Lawless being in the area though they’ve “heard tell” that he had been at some point.

Lawless’ church web site biography states that he came to Tracy in 1981.

 ::MonkeyRoll::

And we're supposed to believe Melissa Huckaby acted alone? 

To all that saw NG tonight . sorry I can not do this anymore

My goodness Momoftwins! you certainly have your hands full! when I have the 6 yr old, the 3 yr old and the baby of 8 months grand daughters, by the end of the day, I am exhausted! give you credit girl for doing what you do almost all by yourself since hubby is gone for work...God luv ya!
I know what you mean about the 6 yr old being left out at times, that is why I give her special attention, besides she is my first and my heart...but the baby always gets the attention and the 3 yr old gets it cause she is always moving and ashaking and because of their ages!
 You can only do what you can do...but a extra little kiss for the 6 yr old would probably mean a lot to her and to you! xxxxxxxx

Thanks Cookie
Just got them tucked in.  My hubby thinks I'm nuts for following these missing cases like I do.  I just feel so sorry for these lost souls, and their families.  Words can't express.  I try to keep up with this case and Little Haleigh.  I just wait for the day Justice Prevails!!  Your son or daughter is very, very lucky to have you to help with the babies.  My oldest is 21, yep, I'm 44, and she lives on the property, so she helps me.  I just became a Grandma a month ago.  I'm so proud even though I havebabies myself.  I always say if God didn't want me to have them, I wouldn't.  All of them are BLESSINGS, and I'm sooo thankful for them, and their health.  I'm a very blessed person.  Thanks again. 

What happened on NG?  I normally watch it as a repeat at 10 pm local time . . .

Nancy was doing the story of Emma Baker the toddler that was killed by her mother Stacey in Lancaster Ca. The crime was commited March 19, and she was finally arrested, and charged with second degree murder. Stacey had an outlandish story like Casey did, and it turns out she suffocated the toddler.

OT

For those interested, Link to Emma Barker's thread in Crimes Against Children at SM:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4934.0

My God, what is this world coming to. Someone needs to put birth control in the water or beer or weed or whatever these idiots are using.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

OT

For those interested, Link to Emma Barker's thread in Crimes Against Children at SM:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4934.0

My head is spinning from this one.  I can't understand for the life of me this girl lived with her Mother like Casey, why not just leave the baby?!!! MAKES NO SENSE.  I don't want to know.  NO EXCUSE!!

Poor little girl, she was so cute. It seems the family helped and provided a good support system for the mother, why would she do this? How???
I am a mother and my worse nightmare would be, god forbid, to lose one of them. A parent should never bury a child, but when that parent causes it? I just don't get it, never will, I don't even know if we are supposed to

A word of caution concerning information on the internet especially news sources.  We found in the Natalee Holloway case that these often just disappear and not only from local media but even national.

Some of the article and transcripts are still there after all this time but many were gone in no time, two page transcripts shortened to one page and just plain gone.  Some there is now even a $25 charge to access what was at the time just routine program like Greta van Susteren.

So don't depend on the link working forever.  It well may but then again, it may not.  There did not seem to be any pattern to the disappearing sources, just poof and one day they were gone.

I suppose all archives have a limit to the amount of information they store.

Hey ALL!
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Well Monkeys ::MonkeyNoNo::
Here we have another Hughes.  May or may not be related to the Lawless'.

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      DAVID HUGHES

288(a)     LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS
Last Name:   HUGHES      First Name: DAVID     Middle Name:  ALLEN   
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    713 ANN GABRIEL LANE
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code    95376
Date of Birth:    03-24-1952
Sex:    MALE
Height:    5'10"
Weight:    160
Eye Color:    BLUE
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

Thanks for the explanation. It totally makes sense. I will make a folder and copy to it.

There's about 20 things alone that bother me in that article, thanks for posting.

Here's an example as to how the media in general does not do their homework. We have an entire thread with specifics about the Lawless family and the relatives of same, directly tying him to this area. Does not mean he is responsible for the rumors of "not so good things", however...

April 30, 2009

Female Sex Killers: The Devious PredatorsDeborah Schurman-Kauflin, PhD


***EDITOR’S NOTE – CONTENT WARNING: The following article contains subject matter that may be disturbing or upsetting to some of our readers, as it includes descriptions of violent crimes and deviant criminal behavior.
 

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They are the world’s most elusive hunters. Using their looks, their status, and their personalities, female sex killers can be the most difficult to catch. I have studied serial killers all of my adult life and am the only profiler to interview a large group of female serial killers and create their profiles. I work with police on such cases around the United States, and from first- hand experience, I can attest to the fact that female rape murderers are clever.
 
Though rare, such predators are more common than the general public knows. Why? In most instances, when a female rapes and kills a victim, the act is done in conjunction with a male partner. As such, when caught, the females play innocent and blame the male. This strategy has proven highly effective over the years because people are hesitant to believe that a woman could rape and murder. But it does happen, and sometimes, the female will act alone.
 
Out of all the interviews I have done with male and female serial killers, the only offender who ever made me uncomfortable was a female sex killer. She had a long history of violence and killed with no remorse. What made her unique is that she was very open about her love for drawing blood using knives, and she said if she ever got out of prison, she would kill again.
 
These offenders are a unique breed in that they have a real taste for hurting helpless victims. They enjoy the feeling they get when using objects to rape. In fact, female rape killers will often use jagged instruments when they attack. These women are especially brutal with female victims, and almost always, they will mutilate the genitalia. Such women have told me that they chose to hurt their victims so viciously because it turned them on. Like their male counterparts, it was sexually exciting.
 
To capture their prey, these women use a rouse to trick their victims who are always smaller in size. They use their gender as a cover for their evil intentions because most people find it hard to believe that the fairer sex could rape and kill a child. However, children are not their only victims. Such offenders have been known to target adults since everyone is less wary of a woman. This allows these super predators access to almost any type of victim.
 
The killers are drawn to traditionally “feminine” jobs such as nursing, caregiving, teaching, or the sex trade. These fields give them natural cover to get close to victims. Like their male counterparts, female sex killers fantasize about rape and murder. However, unlike men, women tend to be less selective about the type of victims they choose. For instance, male sex killers typically prefer certain types of victim such as 20-year-old blondes. But for the women, victim age and gender are less important than opportunity. Female predators search for that which is easy to get. If she works in a nursing home, she may go after the elderly and rape them in their beds. If the woman works as a prostitute, she will target customers. If she teaches, she often sets her sights on students. These women crave what is familiar to them, and they watch their prey over time to assess how easy it would be to attack.
 
The killers tend to have spotty work histories as well as a string of failed relationships. They dabble in sexual relationships and will try everything from lesbianism to child molestation. Emotionally they find it hard to be “centered,” and family will cover for the women when they engage in strange behavior. In looking at their backgrounds, their life pattern tends to be as follows:
 
Loneliness
Child abuse (victim of)
Fantasy
Acting out (violent against animals & other children)
Sexually promiscuous
Psychopathic behavior (stealing, fire setting, lying)
Attaching to steady figure (older male)
Increased time alone
Practicing violence
Kidnap
Kill
 
The interesting part of this pattern is that when looking back, it is easy to see how the women progressed. And there is almost always someone who knew about the increasingly dangerous behavior but did nothing to stop it. There is a tendency in families to hide problems, and those that produce female rape murderers are no exception. The crimes are so aberrant that even those close to these women find it hard to believe that their child/friend/spouse could do such things. The women are well aware of this and use it to their advantage. At every turn, they will plant doubt into the minds of those who question. They will act strange on purpose to try to confuse people. Then they turn on the water works and cry to appear innocent. The thing that tends to be consistent with these killers is that people around them will say that the women were “strange” or “unusual.” Others will even say that the women made them feel uncomfortable at times, but again, because of their gender, people are reluctant to be suspicious.
 
Once caught, the women go to emotional extremes and will do everything from attempting to seduce investigators to acting out in an almost psychotic like way. When female rape murderers are cornered, they are more likely to talk than other female killers. However, their ‘confessions’ will be self serving and filled with lies. They will be flamboyant and spin tales of their own horrific abuse in order to garner sympathy. However, make no mistake, such women are devious and know exactly what they are doing. They use the rarity of their crimes to hide the truth of what lies beneath their façades. These types of crimes are actually becoming more common, so parents must become educated about this ‘newer’ predator that is stalking their children. As awareness grows, expect to see the discovery of more of these types of crimes. When society realizes what has been hiding in its midst, an innocence will be lost, but protection will be gained. People will be shocked when they discover what happened in the Sandra Cantu murder case. But the horror will provide the necessary wake-up call and education that parents need in order to be forearmed in the future.
 
Copyright Violent Crimes Institute, LLC 2009
 
FamilySecurityMatters.orgContributing Editor Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D., heads the Violent Crimes Institute, and is author of The New Predator, Vulture and the soon-to be published Disturbed: Terrorist Behavioral Profiles


http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3128/pub_detail.asp

N2WISHN  thanks for that article, very interesting.

Hello Monkeys

The part I bolded made my mouth drop to the floor WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would any one expect if a church is around children then this is 100% going to happen.
That is just a strange statement
I think FBI are getting all their little ducks in a row

Monkey hugs

I agree Stacey, it's a VERY strange comment!  My jaw hit the floor too!  Seems to me that some of the folks they've questioned in WA and Idaho sound defensive and evasive, as tho they've more info to hide than to offer.  Maybe it's just the way I took it, dunno.  A comment like the one this guy made, not only doesn't reflect well on any church, but it makes me want to question him more about the attitudes of that church in particular.  And surprises me, coming from a pastor and all.  Strange thing too is that this pastor can't remember the name of whoever it was .. uh hmmm .. and neither pastor can remember anything about Lane Lawless.  So hand them a picture and flat out ask, do you know this man under ANY name? 

  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

You know call me crazy but I would expect God wishes for all  children to always be safe, especially in a house of worship

Edit-fix underline

OOPs should have underlined rather then italic  :oops:

Edit-fixed. 

I thought it was quite interesting too. Melissa seems to have alot of the classic traits going for her. At a minimum, someone in her family must have been aware of some of her disturbing behavior.

One would think, maybe they just swept it all under the rug, and proceeded with their own lives.

REGARDING A PARTIAL LIFT ON THE GAG ORDER - an email from my attorney friend living near Tracy:

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Partial lift of the gag order in Sandra Cantu case.

“As of April 30 at 12:15 p.m, there is no news on the official
San Joaquin Superior Court website that the gag order was partially lifted. The original gag order remains in place. There was a news article that speculated that it would be partially lifted. Also the court has not emailed to the media any information about a partial lift.

It would probably take a motion by media before the judge to try to lift or modify the original gag order or the gag order on the document filed by the DA in opposition to the disnterment.

Unfortunately, once a judge puts a gag order in place, it is darn expensive in time and money to do the paperwork to try to lift it. And the media usually will have the motion denied by the trial judge and her judicial decisions will havfe to go up appeal to the California Court of Appeals with a writ application and if the writ is not denied summarily, which often happens, and the writ is actually reviewed by the court, the process often takes months to hear. This is so despite the fact the media usually requests quick emergency relief re: lifting a gag so that the trial proceedings don’t pass by in a gagged stated, before a court actually issues a decision one way or the other.

Public court proceedings are the goal of the California judiciary, at least officially, but in practice, sealing is rampant in all kinds of cases, often for specious reasons.

I see your posting at ScaredMonkeys, Blink, and co. I admire your activism.

It appears from the response of the Tracy Press that they did not dig into the Timothy Lawless connection to Melissa Huckaby, other than making a few phone calls to the official authorities.”

K

Thank you Sacsayhuan for bringing this info to us & I would like to say WELCOME!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, me too.   WELCOME  ::MonkeyDance::

I missed seeing you come in Sacsayhuan.  Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::
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Welcome Sacsayhuan!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Are you from the bay area or central valley?

Your going to love this !  ::MonkeyLaugh::

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  I am from Louisiana !  I have friends in CA - Santa Monica and Northern CA around San Francisco.  Tracy is very near the girls in Northern CA.

  Thanks MuffyBee - I had been posting on Blink's website - but I think it is almost full.  This is a great site - just have to figure out how not to duplicate my posts !

  Thanks !  I look forward to reading the posts daily and contributing when I have any good info. 

Nice meeting you and am looking forward to getting to know everyone !  Looks like a wonderful site with knowledgeable and determined individuals !

Seems like a quiet night.  Blink, if you get a second, can you get my email address from Klaas and send me an email?  I'd like to ask for your opinion on something.

Thanks.

OT-  Sort of. . . 

Accused Molester Blames Blood Pressure
Man Also Blamed His Medication, Report Says

Posted: 1:30 pm EST January 2, 2008Updated: 3:23 pm EST January 2, 2008
CHANDLER, Ariz. -- A Sunday school teacher who was arrested on suspicion of molesting a 5-year-old girl at a Phoenix-area church blamed his actions on his "high blood pressure," according to a police report.

High Blood Pressure Blamed

Terence James Greenwood, 62, a married father of two children, also cast blame on his "medication" or the possibility that he had "mental problems," the report said.

Greenwood faces six felony charges, including child molestation, sexual conduct with a minor and indecent exposure, KPHO-TV in Phoenix reported.

Greenwood has been a member of the Chandler United Methodist Church for years, but he recently started helping in the classrooms in September, according to the police report.

In a phone call to Greenwood from the victim's mother before his arrest, he first denied what the victim said, the report stated.

He then admitted he had "made a mistake" and was "ashamed" of it, but said he only "exposed himself" to the girl, according to the report.

Greenwood was arrested on Dec. 21 outside a Paradise Bakery store where he does maintenance work.

In interviews with investigators, Greenwood admitted he "touched" the victim "inappropriately," "exposed" himself and made the girl touch him and perform oral sex, the police report stated.

He also said he "tried to touch two other little girls" in the Sunday school class who spent the night with his 11-year-old daughter, according to the report.

According to the police report, he said he "took advantage" of the 5-year-old girl because "she trusted him" and was "quiet."

After getting away with it one Sunday, he said, he was "emboldened" to "do it again," the report said.

Police said the church sent letters to its members about Greenwood's arrest. Officers said they are investigating the possibility that there might be one other victim.

Greenwood is being held without bond.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  Rob, when I started reading it, I thought, geez, Rob must have meant to put this on the thread about Britannie....
hard to keep track sometimes isn't it?

Jess...that man in your above post is thoroughly disgusting! uuugggghhhhh....

UPDATE:  The good news is that he's serving 35 years in prison w/o possibility of parole.

sorry jess, just got this, I think I have it, if not, I will
B

Most Female Child Molesters Were Victims Of Sexual Abuse, Study Suggests

ScienceDaily (May 13, 2008) — A University of Georgia study that is the first to systematically examine a large sample of female child molesters finds that many of them were themselves victims of sexual abuse as children.

The finding, published in the April issue of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, has the potential to help break the cycle of abuse by improving treatment for offenders and their young victims.

“This study informs us about the pathway to becoming sexually deviant for females,” said study author Susan Strickland, assistant professor in the UGA School of Social Work. “With that knowledge, we can improve treatment and reduce the likelihood of future sexual assaults on children.”

Strickland said the sexual abuse of minors by women has been largely ignored by the general public, the legal system and by academic researchers. Many people believe that women are not capable of committing such acts, she said, and the abuse of boys by women is often dismissed as the boys sowing their oats or even being lucky. The truth is that both boys and girls are molested by female perpetrators and these victims often suffer a myriad of consequences affecting their sexuality, relationships and beliefs about themselves and others. Childhood sexual abuse also has been linked to a host of emotional and behavioral problems, such as substance abuse and eating disorders.

The true prevalence of female sexual abuse on children is unknown, but a commonly accepted figure is that five to seven percent of sex crimes are committed by females. Studies on female sex offenders are rare, and most have been descriptive in nature, used small samples and have not used valid statistical measures or control groups.

Strickland’s study, the largest of its kind, surveyed 130 incarcerated females - 60 of which were sex offenders and 70 of which were nonsexual offenders - and examined factors such as childhood trauma, substance abuse, emotional neediness and personality disorders. While the majority of both groups reported being the victims of childhood maltreatment, the sex offenders were significantly more likely to experience pervasive, serious and more frequent emotional abuse, physical abuse and neglect.

“We’ve pretty much known that the majority of women in prison have had bad childhoods and that many suffered childhood sexual abuse,” Strickland said. “But the subgroup of female sex offenders has suffered significantly more abuse, particularly sexual abuse.”

Sex offenders also exhibited more social and sexual insecurities, inhibitions and inferiorities. Strickland said the findings suggest that many female sex offenders struggle with relationships and lack the social skills to have their needs met with consensual adult partners. Therefore, treatment for female sex offenders should address their past trauma and focus on developing appropriate social skills and increasing arousal to appropriate sexual and emotional encounters.

Because victims are at increased risk of becoming abusers later in life, Strickland said their treatment should include offender prevention therapy, which addresses issues of power and control, appropriate sexual expression and boundaries, and cycles and triggers that may lead to offending behaviors.

“While it appears that only a minority of girls who are sexually abused become offenders,” Strickland said, “we can reduce that number and reduce the potential for further sexual assaults on children – both male and female – by including offender prevention in our treatment protocols.”

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080513101605.htm

that is totally music to my ears! now if we can only get the rest of them rounded up and throw away the keys!

Jess you have nanners

just fyi I got a security warning by clicking the link in post # 227.

As did I.

Sac- can you cut and paste the article of that's what it is?
B

I'm not the poster, but here you go.  There seems to be some misinformation in it, as I don't recall anyone saying that it appears Sandra was murdered "in the crawl space of the church."


Psychic makes claim to reward money in Cantu case
By Mike Martinez
San Joaquin Herald
Posted: 04/30/2009 03:51:11 PM PDT
Updated: 04/30/2009 07:18:05 PM PDT

Psychic Dani Pedlow from Southern California says she provided information to the Tracy Police...

TRACY — A Southern California woman is in a dispute with Tracy police over whether her psychic predictions helped them solve the Sandra Cantu murder case.

She thinks she's entitled to at least a portion of the reward money, totaling more than $30,000, but Tracy police say they never used any information provided by any psychics during the investigation.

Dani Pedlow, based in Los Angeles, said she predicted the little girl would be found in a "barranca—" a Spanish word for canyon or ravine — and that she was killed in a church, and the killer was someone in the trailer park the little girl called home.

Pedlow said she helps solve crimes for a living and recently helped find a Las Vegas runaway and described on a New York radio show how police would capture a serial killer.

She was contacted by a local resident who is also one of her clients.

"At the time, I hadn't ever been to Tracy and wasn't even quite sure where it was,'' Pedlow said. "I texted and e-mailed her from Las Vegas. I told her I see a barranca. I talked about a church. I told her I see the church straight across from the park, and I see water, sand and gravel. I had the sense of something being dragged.''

Although there is no park near the Clover Road Baptist Church, which was searched as part of the investigation, behind it is a large, open grassy field.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, of Tracy, has been charged with murdering 8-year-old Sandra
Cantu, and with enhancements — kidnapping, lewd or lascivious acts on a child and rape by a foreign object — she could face the death penalty if convicted.

Huckaby lived with her grandparents, who operate the church, which is near the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, only a few doors down from Cantu.

Sources have said the girl appears to have been murdered in a crawl space underneath the church, where investigators also found a pair of gloves. Sandra, who was last seen around 4 p.m. March 27 on videotape surveillance captured in front of her home, was found 10 days later stuffed into a suitcase that floated to the surface of a retaining pond at a local dairy.

Police said a farmworker at the dairy noticed the suitcase and notified authorities.

"We never reviewed or utilized any information from a psychic during this investigation,'' Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

Huckaby publicly admitted the suitcase the girl was found in belonged to her but said it was stolen from her driveway the day Sandra disappeared. She's scheduled to return to court May 22 for further arraignment.

Pedlow delivered a letter with her contact information to Tracy police explaining why she believes she's entitled to the reward money. She said police told her they hadn't decided who to give the reward money to, but no one has ever called her, not even from the Tracy Crimestoppers, the nonprofit organization that offers rewards to people who help solve local crimes.

"It sounds like subterfuge," Pedlow said. "They put the brakes on. No one would respond. I understand because I live in Los Angeles, but one sentence about not having made up their minds sounds to me like they are trying to distance themselves from me."

Scott Webb, executive director of the Modesto-based Sund/Carrington Foundation, said it is paying a little more than $20,000 to the anonymous tipster who found the suitcase April 6 just off of Whitehall Road north of Tracy.

Webb said the organization has never paid any psychic reward money in the more than 40 cases it has helped solve.

"Tracy police has identified an individual who was responsible for (Sandra's) recovery," Webb said. "We had several large donations, but we've been receiving cards, letters and financial support from all over the country. I think the community should know they've been very helpful in this situation. Many other families are going through the same thing, and they don't get the same amount of attention.''

Reach Mike Martinez at 209-832-3947 or mike.martinez@bayareanewsgroup.com.

Jess - thanks for posting. Takes all kinds, doesn't it? Frankly, I like to read about those kinds of "psychics".. helps people see them for what they are.

I emailed you as requested Jess when you get a chance
B 

I don't think there is anything to worry about at that Mercury News link.  I think it's likely an overly protective anti-virus program.

Thanks Blink. I'll try to email you later on today.

Good Morning MOnkeys! ::MonkeyRoll::
How are you this morning?
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great Lonemonkey and yourself?

HI Cookie!
I really like your avatar! ::MonkeyWink::
I'm well.  Thank GOD it's Friday!!!!!
I'm wondering what to research next.  I have been working or Tracy60 and RSO's of Tracy that could be connected to Lawless'.

Any ideas???

No...none...I follow the lead of the rest of you monkeys in the research department...you all do such a good job...it is amazing...lots of work that you all do...
this is one of the saddest cases yet....it seems that each one gets sadder ..if that is possible...

I know what you mean Cookie!
And I have to wonder what was MORE heinous than what we already know that happened to Sandra!  Sometimes I think it is better to know the facts than to wonder and speculate.  I have come to realy respect the Florida Sunshine Laws...that we have seen with Caylee.  SO much more info.!

Do you suppose media is just reporting this kind of abuse more OR is it happening more often?

Good morning monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance:: I hope today brings with it news that all of our lost people are found. Maybe we should ask that psychic! Yea right! She should be ashamed of herself for wanting that money. From what I understand the men who found the suitcase had to be pressured into taking some of it. All of the things she said was pretty much what we and many others said. Crazy lady!

Lonemonkey where do you get all of the cute pics you post? Do you make them? I sure admire anyone that can do more then turn on a computer.

Hi Tracy! ::MonkeyWink::
I LOVE your avatar!!!!!!!!
I just bum around the web looking for cute pics, save, and then upload to Photobucket!
How ya doing?  Any news in Tracy today?
this gag order sucks!

Really! A little girl was murdered and this psychic wants money?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

She's a kind I'd rather avoid.

I have to say I have not heard that Sandra was killed in the crawlspace before, I wonder if that is accurate?

 
Hi NoRoseC
I wonder also.
I remember they retrieved a pair of gloves from the crawl space....
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With Gloves
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Hey Monkeys
This came in my email today:

It's been a busy month for PROTECT! With so much going on, we want to make sure we share the details with you.  Here's the latest news...

1. Alicia's Law

Recently we asked you to help us with Alicia's Law in Virginia.  Your calls and emails were heard in Richmond! We'll know soon whether Virginia state officials will do the right thing, and we'll have more updates for you soon.

2. California: Tracy 60

If you are a frequent Protect.org visitor, you may have noticed our banner highlight of the Tracy 60.  We are reaching out to officials in Tracy, CA requesting that they take action on the 60 child pornography traffickers identified in the  media during the initial investigation of the tragic murder of Sandra Cantu.  Tracking down these 60 known criminals will lead to other child victims who need rescue, and could set a nationwide precedent for future investigations involving missing children.

3. Federal Stimulus

As members and supporters know, PROTECT had a huge victory  when we secured $50 million in stimulus funds for state and local Internet Crimes Against Children task forces.  That money will start flowing over the next 2 months and will be used to locate and rescue children in every state.

4. Virginia Sunshine

After quite a fight, PROTECT succeeded in beginning to shed light on Virginia's child welfare system with legislation establishing a public website demonstrating how the system is performing.  Now we can expand on this groundbreaking and innovative report card.  A special thanks goes to residents outside of Virginia - even though your efforts will not immediately benefit the children in your state, this victory sets a precedent for other states to follow in the near future.

--THE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS AT PROTECT

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Thanks lonemonkey, some good news.

Wyks, you want to help me out with something?
Klass do you mind passing my email addy when you get a moment? Thanks!    ::MonkeyDance:: (You know I just love this little monkey dance. Reminds me of one of my kids and how they danced when they were about 2 years old. Warms my heart everytime I see it.)

I read back a few pages and did not see this posted, but if it has been I apologize:

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Sure Tracygirl! 

And yeah, the monkey dancing is my fav!  Have you seen what some of our creative monkeys have done with it?  They've superimposed NG, Greta, Geraldo, mmmm anyone else? on the dancing monkey.  We need JVM now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi wyks...haven't seen you too much lately...everything ok with you?

Connie lawless need to get her head out of the sand and see the light of day! Uggg, that article frustrated me.

Thanks Wykes, when you get a moment and you get my email address drop me a line!

Hi Cookie!  Yep, things are rolling right along, thanks for asking!

Seems that with Caylee and Haleigh's cases, there's little to work on until we get actual facts.  Rumors of rumors get to me after awhile and I tend to get a laid-back attitude until new facts come along.  Plus I'm so sick of the players in Caylee's case I just want to scream!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/smiley-gahh.gif)  So I figured I'd be of more help for now in this case, altho I do still check in on Haleigh's case to keep caught up. 

Good to see you!   


 

Yes she does, Tracygirl!!  And I'll go check my email.   

That article IMO, is a perfect example of how to circle the wagons and whitewash the truth of what is very likely going on with that entire family.  Anyone reading it without realizing the rest of what that family is very likely doing, might go away wondering why anyone would have a prob with them.  And again IMO, they have perfected covering up, hiding what they are doing, behind their masks of 'good, church-going, God-fearing, Bible-preaching people.'  The house of cards is falling, and when it does, am thinking it will go down with a mighty crash. 

IMO, Lane and Connie are too close to the border for comfort.  Sure am hoping that LE is keeping an eye on them.  Would hate to have things blow wide open with them 3 steps and a hop from Mexico. 

When it's proven what they are doing.. I do wish it was possible to arrest them all for making a mockery of Christians, Baptists, Pastor's families, trust in authority, and etc .. everywhere. 

You aren't kidding, especially this line, Lawless describes her oldest grandchild as kind, sweet, quiet and good with children.  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL I am waiting for an email from you! We will both be waiting a long time. No j/k, I asked if Klass can send you my email addy, so when you get it drop me a line so I have yours! thanks again  ::MonkeyDance::

Maybe that's where she hid her until she put her in the suitcase. 

Good with children? Ok Connie Lawless lets see....! Your dear loving granddaughter most likely drugged a child in January, did god knows what to her,  then, killed a child in March and god only knows what else....Yea really good with kids! Kind? Ok lets test that one shall we? She is expected of setting 2 fires in a home and leaving a note attached to a  baby bottle with gasoline in it, what a nice gal!

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What does this mean? The bapstist struggle to preserve the turth? What truth, all I see is a great big fat cover up from these people! So they play the victim, uggg that makes me angry!

I wish they would just not have services in that church. I think it is the ultimate in disrespect to continue on like nothing ever happened there. frustrates me to no end!

I think it's interesting how the church membership at Clover first was reported as about 15 .. then about 20 .. now it's about 30.  It's tripled in just these couple of weeks or something?    ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyTongue:: 

The lawless/Harris clan are coming up from the bay area from the sound of it. Strange they would do that, isn't it? Why are they trying to make the church look like "just another happy place to worship"?

IMO, just keeping up with appearances.  Perhaps trying to make the world see that things are 'just fine', maybe hoping to get the focus off the Lawless family and onto Melissa herself.  IMO, it's too late for that.  Seems the more they attempt to do, the worse it looks for them. 

Have heard sev times it reported that LE thinks Sandra was killed at that church.  In most towns, when there is a fatality at a certain place, business 'as usual' does not continue for awhile, but stops in it's tracks.  Part of that is just so folks can get a grip on their feelings, etc.  Part is so LE can do their investigation.  Part is out of respect for the family, etc.  And then there is the creepy feeling factor.  Among other reasons.   

What I'm wondering is why LE seems to have 'released' the property for business as usual.  Seems it must have been released since Easter Sunday, for them to be able to have services there.  Cannot wrap my mind around that either.  Why would LE do such a thing, if they think Sandra was killed there.  ?? 

Well this is sort of a start but they have about 60 people who are also needing to be arrested!
BTW, why can you not correspond an inmate? I don't think I have heard that before.


http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2485239-Police+arrest+10+in+Thursday+sweep+of+parolees&article-Police%20arrest%2010%20in%20Thursday%20sweep%20of%20parolees%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Police arrest 10 in Thursday sweep of parolees
by TP staffMay 01, 2009 | 360 views | 8  | 4  |  |  Tracy police arrested 10 people during a sweep of 14 parolees Thursday morning.

Police department spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said arrests were made on suspicion of drug violations, possession of weapons, possession of gang indicia, failure to register at a new address, and corresponding with inmates.

Gregory Candelaria 31, Antonio Castrellon 24, Ignacio Cervantes 25, Aaron Davies 26, Gregory Grimaldo 24, James Guitierrez 25, Jessie Hernandez 25, Arturo Hildago 25, Dianna Palmones 41, and James Turner 41 were all taken into custody and transported to San Joaquin County Jail pending their return to the California Department of Corrections

Maybe they were monitoring them or maybe certain area's were not allowed to be entered? The FBI did go back there after the sunday service a few times. Seems like evidence would be considered tampered with?

That could be! 

And yeah, seems like any possible evidence could have been destroyed or tampered with, etc. 

About your earlier post, inmates are not allowed to get mail from former inmates who've gotten out.  They aren't allowed to get mail even from another inmate still inside, in a seperate area or something.  (Altho inmates inside can go to some elaborate ways of slipping each other notes).  Sometimes an inmate will have a family member write their messages to another inmate inmate inside.  And ex-cons sometimes do the same, have someone else write to a current inmate for them.  LE really tries to keep them seperate, so they can't make any plans and stuff like that. 

Tracygirl, it seems that Klaas is busy or something, maybe hasn't seen your message yet.  Here's my email addy:  Myst_Wyks at yahoo dot com  No problem having it posted, it's not some federal secret or anything.  lol  Mods can delete if you need to. 

I just fixed it so spam bots can't pick up on it  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Wyks, I honestly didn't know that about the inmates. Makes sense.

Did Klaas send you my email addy?

Klaas would you mind terribly to send Wykes my addy I signed up with? I sure would appreciate it! Thanks!

Thanks I will email you

You got mail! thanks

okay, and thanks Klaas! 

it would creep me out to go back into that church knowing that Sandra was most likely murdered there...I couldn't go back...course, I don't think that I would be a member there to begin with from the looks and sounds of things...

After reading the San Joaquin Herald article posted on Blinks - well - I would say that was quite intriguing.  Anyway - we may have this already - but thought I would post it anyway.  A friend emailed it to me:

"Apparently before Huckaby was married, she was in Tracy and filed to obtain a temporary restraining order against Joshua Palmer.  I transcribed her account of this from a TV shot of the paper:
 
"April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours Security cameras seen him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted home. Incident Report is (available?)
 
April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside and he told me that he was going to make my life as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale. He has been seen by other residents and our park manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of the night lurking around my house and the other...."
 
I think because Huckaby is charged with raping, kidnapping and murdering a female child, there is hardly any deep research regarding her male friends, and there are quite a few:
 
Christian Sinclair, 49
Johnny Huckaby (former husband)
Dan Pasquale, Tracy cop
Joshua Palmer
Fred Williams (helper, custodian at grandparents church)
David Slayter, 44
 
I don't mean that her male friends were involved in any child abuse, but the connections of these people to government and any criminal activity are just not explored. Also Huckaby listed herself as a "party organizer" on her website. I wish I knew of the parties she organized, if any, and whether she was employed to do so.  Must be someone in Tracy who "partied" with her or at one of her parties.  Was she an "event organizer" for businesses?  For fantasy football parties, or other fantasy sports parties related to Biosoftsports.com?  Virtual sports involved with "virtual" porn or children posing to these "virtual" events?
 
As you know child porn is put into all kind of images, and files and often sent peer to peer. Payment modes must also exist.  A possible way to pick up money and to share files is a firm, connected to gambling and baseball (kids love baseball) owned by Timothy John Lawless:

(I detect Lawless owns up to 9 domains, but it is necessary to pay to get detailed printouts for them like the one below and the Biosoftports is the only one I have, other than VendorConnects, Inc., with a website, under his umbrella corporation  Next Opportunity, Inc. I have also perplexed about who "J. Sickenger" is, on his reverse phone number from his verified home residence:
 
Reverse phone number for TJL’s verified address
916-984-0487
108 Monowood Dr, Folsom, CA
Source: Pipl.com
 
Phone number 916 984 0487 per DAPLUS
is reversed to J. Sickenger
Folsom CA 95630
 
BIOSPORTS DOMAIN INFORMATION
 
Source below: Whois.domaintools.com
 
"Timothy Lawless" owns about 9 other domains
 
omain:                          biosoftsports.com
created:                         21-Jul-2004
 
last-changed:                    09-May-2006
registration-expiration:         21-Jul-2010
 
nserver:                         ns47.1and1.com 74.208.2.7
nserver:                         ns48.1and1.com 74.208.3.6
 
registrant-firstname:            Timothy
registrant-lastname:             Lawless
registrant-street1:              3532 Debina WAY
registrant-pcode:                95670
registrant-state:                CA
 
registrant-city:                 Rancho Cordova
registrant-ccode:                US
registrant-phone:                +1.9168705111
 
egistrant-email:                weblanman@yahoo.com
 
tech-c-firstname:                Hostmaster
tech-c-lastname:                 ONEANDONE
tech-c-organization:             1&1 Internet Inc.
tech-c-street1:                  701 Lee Rd.
 
tech-c-pcode:                    19087
tech-c-state:                    PA
tech-c-city:                     Chesterbrook
tech-c-ccode:                    US
 
ech-c-phone:                    +1.8774612631
tech-c-fax:                      +1.6105601501
tech-c-email:                  hostmaster@1and1.com
 
 
http://www.biosoftsports.com/aboutus.asp
 
BIOSOFTSPORTS.COM  website:
 
"About us
 
BioSoft Sports’ History
 
BioSoft Sports utilizes the principles of biorhythms, coupled with decades of research, to make accurate predictions about personal performance, team performance and the outcome of sporting events.
 
Building Blocks
 
BioSoft Sports was created from the vision and tenacity of one man: Harvey Makishima. It all began when Makishima purchased a Kosmos biorhythm calculator in 1976. By analyzing NBA games, he soon realized that biorhythms affected the way players performed during the game, which ultimately affected the team's performance and the game’s outcome. He thought that his discovery was too obvious. In order to prove that these outcomes were not a fluke, he began to track the biorhythmic sine waves of each of the players using pen and paper.
 
After completing research to verify his initial findings, Makishima refined his system. He discovered that certain cycles were the key components in a player's performance. He had discovered the biorhythm secret! Using this secret method of biorhythm analysis and applying specific values to each segment of the biorhythmic sine waves, he was able to determine when athletes have the greatest potential for exceptional performance as well as select winners versus the spread with incredible accuracy.
 
As Luck Would Have It
 
Makishima reasoned that if biorhythms affected a player's performance in a game, they might also affect a person's business and personal life as well. In 1986, Makishima developed an Apple Basic application that incorporated his biorhythmic analysis methods. With this new application, he continued his biorhythms research on an individual level. He poured over data, recorded highly unusual events involving luck, and tracked hundreds of people's biorhythms.
 
With the help of the biorhythm software and interviews with real people, he discovered that the cycles do affect individuals! Just like players in the sports arena, a person's success rate is directly related to their Biorhythmic cycles.  Extraordinarily, he found that each of us has four days when we have the most potential for highly unusual luck. Makishima realized that he could determine when these four days would occur by analyzing a person's biorhythms!
 
A Company Is Born
 
In 1995, Makishima enlisted the help of a computer scientist to refine and upgrade his application. With the upgrade, the application could be used on a home PC and could incorporate databases containing vital information about specific sports. This program became the basis for the Biorhythm Secrets family of software: TeamBios, FantasyBio, BioCalendar and several other biorhythmic analysis software, which you can use to compute your personal daily biorhythms, or the biorhythms of an entire team. Using Team Bios, Makishima computed the outcome of over 60,000 NFL and NBA games, and obtained the same exceptional results that he had derived over 32 years earlier using pen and paper! Today, BioSoft Sports incorporates Harvey Makishima's vision and the science of biorhythms into all of its products.
 
Online Applications Become a Reality
 
In 2005, Makishima created a joint venture with BioSportsPro to make online versions of his software applications available via the Internet and in mobile devices such as mobile phones, PDAs, tablet PCs and laptops. Television will also be a viable media for Biosoft Sports’ products in the near future.
 
Want to learn more about the History of BioRhythms?"
 
End."

Sacsayhuan thanks for that, very interesting, I'm sure when everything comes out about Melissa and her friends, there will be a lot of things that will surprise us. ::MonkeyEek::

Good Mornin' MOnkeys & Happy Saturday!
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May have already been posted:

http://www.tracypress.com/

The man who found Sandra
by Justin Lafferty / TP staff
05.01.09 - 11:34 pm

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Jose Luis Franco talks about the day he found the suitcase with Sandra Cantu's body. Glenn Moore/Tracy Pressslideshow

Farm worker Jose Luis Franco talks about the day he found the suitcase while he was working. Glenn Moore/Tracy Pressslideshow Thousands of volunteers, Tracy police officers and FBI agents searched around the clock earlier this month for Sandra Cantu.

But it was a dairy farmworker just going about his job who led to the discovery of the 8-year-old girl’s body.

Jose Luis Franco, 40, found a suitcase in a dairy lagoon on April 6 containing what was later found to be Sandra’s body and alerted the police. Later this month, the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation will reward him with a little more than $20,000 for his discovery, according to Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

Franco, who speaks only Spanish, said Friday night through translator Laura Flores that the reward is “like a blessing.”

He has worked for Bacchetti & Silva Dairy north of Tracy for 11 years. He plans to put most of the money in a trust fund for the education of his four children, hoping they can go to college.

Franco said the Tracy police and the foundation told him a week ago that he’d earned the reward money, but he hadn’t told anyone but his wife, Margarita Franco, and his children. He said he was waiting until he actually has the check in his hand, adding that the rest of his family and friends will surely be happy for him when he tells them.

“I thought of spending it (at first),” Margarita said jokingly, through the translator. “We’ll pay for our children’s education. It’s going to come in handy.”

Scott Webb, the foundation’s executive director, said Franco will get the money within the next couple of weeks. Webb said the foundation put up $5,000 initially, and the rest of the money came from donations.

“It’s very important that common people come forward and help to share information to solve the case,” Webb said, “so I’m very glad that they took the time to do that.”

Franco said he was nervous when he first found the suitcase, but after police and FBI told him he wasn’t going to be held responsible for anything, he was able to relax.

The Francos moved to Tracy in 1991 from Jalisco, Mexico, where Jose was born. Before he worked for Bacchetti & Silva, he worked for a farm in Mountain House.

While Franco will receive the reward money, a few psychics have come forward recently, saying they felt the money should be theirs.

Sheneman said that the money will go only to Franco.

“We did not review or utilize any tips or information provided to us by psychics,” he said.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Justin Lafferty at 830-4269 or jlafferty@tracypress.com

Thank you Klaas.  It is good to see he will get the reward money & is using it for his children's education.  Well deserved!

Thanks, I totally agree.

It must have been horrible for him to find.  I'm sure he knew there was a body in that luggage when he found it.  He didn't know who but I'm sure he knew something was in it.   

He definately deserves the reward!

I agree.  He knew a little girl was missing & the possibility of what was in that suitcase.  I can't imagine the thoughts that went through his head when he found it.  And he was smart enough not to open it, but to report it.  Cudos to him!

Thank you for the updates.  With the gag order, it is very slow going!

Good night monkeys.  I'm going to check the Haleigh thread, then dinner & bed for me.

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yep;;;good for him that he reported it.....
wonder what tipped him off though...would most people upon seeing a suitcase in the water think that it was odd, but would you consider that a body was in it? did he lift it and realized that something was in there because of the weight of it?
thank goodness he had enough savvy to report it...otherwise it might have been longer before Sandra was found...sadly...

Cookie - IMO, the suitcase was out of place, it didn't belong there.  So he went to move it to the side of the irrigation ditch.  When he moved it he probably got close enough to smell something was dead in the bag.  He didn't know who or what but knew enough to call LE. 

ahhhhhh....I see...I didn't think about the smell...
now that makes perfect sense....thanks....

Glad to know he is taking the money. I had read somewhere he was saying he didn't want it. Or maybe that was the detective saying that? Anyway, glad he is and it is going to a good cause.
I bet though this will shake him up for the rest of his life. I cannot imagine finding something like that. It would just change you, kwim? Poor man I feel badly for him.

TRACY, CA - A Tracy dairy farmworker who found the remains of 8-year-old murder victim Sandra Cantu last month will receive a reward of more than $20,000 for the discovery, a Tracy police spokesman confirmed Saturday.

Jose Luis Franco, 40, is expected to get a check later this month from the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation, Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

ARCHIVE: See past News10 coverage of the Sandra Cantu case

Franco, an employee at Bacchetti & Silva Dairy north of Tracy, found the girl's body in a suitcase dumped in an irrigation pond April 6. The discovery came 10 days after Sandra Cantu was reported missing from her home at a nearby mobile home park.

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=58766&catid=2

I’ve googled Dan Pasquale. The few articles available portray him as a level headed dedicated Police Officer. It’s possible that MH made too much of the relationship in order to scare off Joshua Palmer. I’m sure Pasquale has been questioned since I have seen his name before linked to MH - probably because of these Incident Reports. Public authority figures are always vulnerable to people like MH making the relationship more than what it is. I feel Pasquale is not someone of concern - Now Joshua Palmer on the other hand is someone to look at. Why was he stalking her ? These Incident Reports were made before MH was married - so they are fairly old - maybe Palmer is long gone.

I'm even wondering if Melissa made this up to some degree about this Palmer guy, it wouldn't surprise me at all, so she could get attention.

Thanks for posting that article Klaas! ::MonkeyRoll::
It's nice to know something positive has come from this case!
Great story....
 LM

Hi NoRoseC! ::MonkeyDance::
Happy Sunday to ya!

Funny, you bring up Pasquale.  I looked him up too. 
I found a listing for a student at Mission San Jose HighSchool from 1989-1993:

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=532674061

I also found Sgt. Dan Pasquale in Fremont, CA (but looks like this one is older?)  The article is about a sting operation involving computers back in 1986:  (The article was written in 2004)

http://www.robson.org/gary/writing/bbs-stings.html

(snipped from article):

"The Revenger and the Phreaker's Phortress
In 1985, most police officers had never used a computer, and had no idea what a modem was. Sgt. Dan Pasquale of the Fremont Police was an exception.

Fremont, California is big enough to be called a city, but small enough to feel like a town. There are no high-rise office buildings, subways, and other trappings of big-city life. The police headquarters building overlooks a big lake in Central Park, and has a view of the mountains at the edge of town. With 100 square miles of land, Fremont has plenty of space to spread out, and it does.

Fremont, however, is no stranger to technology. It is at the edge of Silicon Valley, a few miles from San Jose. It was inevitable that technophiles would find their way onto the Fremont Police Department, and Pasquale was one of the first. "


I also found a few articles out of Tracy, CA with Pasquale mentioned, but nothing of interest.

I think that she made it up...he hasn't even come out to defend himself on any of the stalking allegations has he? he probably is distancing himself from Melissa and the whole scenario jmo

Any of this sound familiar?

Most charges dropped in ritual sex abuse cases
Allegations of molestation involved families in rural southwest Missouri

WASHBURN, Mo. - There was a lot of public attention when leaders of two obscure churches in the Ozarks woods were accused of ceremonially abusing girls, preparing them for "service to God" by molesting them.  The allegations involved extended families in southwest Missouri, a largely rural area that has one of the state's highest rates of reported child abuse and has had other high-profile abuse cases.  But nearly three years later, the cases have almost completely unraveled: Only one of the six defendants remains charged, and he is free on bail while waiting for a yet-to-be-scheduled trial.

Most church members moved away. 

All six defendants, related by blood or marriage, pleaded not guilty. Hearing after hearing was held. Many of the approximately 100 members of the churches moved away.  "This is exactly what I didn't want to happen," said Erin Willis, attorney for one of the accusers. "What I wanted is for them to feel vindicated, for them to come through it feeling like the legal process served them as it was meant to.
"I'm not sure we accomplished that here."

The charges surfaced 2006 when a handful of young women from Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church and Grandview Valley Baptist Church North told authorities they had been sexually abused, some since the 1970s. 

Raymond Lambert, pastor of Grand Valley Independent Baptist Church in McDonald County, was charged with molesting two girls with the help of his wife, Patty Lambert, over 10 years. The girls were allegedly told their bodies were being prepared "for service to God."  Also accused of abuse were Tom Epling, 54, and his brother, Paul Epling, 56. Tom Epling's wife, Laura Epling, was accused of helping Lambert abuse a girl.

George Otis Johnston, Lambert's uncle and pastor of nearby Grandview Valley Baptist Church North in Newton County, was accused of telling an alleged victim he "was ordained by God to fulfill her needs as a woman" and that "if she would have sexual intercourse with him that she would remain a virgin and remain pure."  The girl told investigators she refused intercourse but continued to be molested.

Statute of limitations led to dismissal
However, the statute of limitations led to dismissal of charges against the Epling brothers since their alleged crimes had taken place in the 1970s and 1980s.  In late 2007, McDonald County prosecutors abruptly dropped charges against Patty Lambert, 51, and Laura Epling, 52.
And in June 2008, McDonald County Prosecutor Janice Durbin dropped all charges against Raymond Lambert, just weeks before he was to stand trial for child molestation, statutory sodomy and sexual abuse.  She said the charges were dropped because the alleged victims decided "they can no longer subject themselves or their families to the ongoing scrutiny and pressures of a very public proceeding."
"In no way does this dismissal reflect the state's opinion about the validity of the charges against the defendant," Durbin said.
Charges are still pending against Johnston, 66, who has pleaded innocent to 17 felonies. His lawyer, Andrew Wood, did not return calls seeking comment.

Child abuse cases can present challenges in rural areas, said Victor Vieth, director of the National Child Protection Training Center in Winona, Minn.  "In small, rural communities, everybody knows everybody else," Vieth said. "They've known everybody else for generations. But that doesn't mean it can't be handled successfully.

Lack of expertise in rural cases

A lack of national experts on child abuse with rural backgrounds could also be an issue in how well rural cases are processed, Vieth said.
"The vast majority of experts don't have the background where they had to figure out how to do all of this in a rural community," he said.
The southwest Missouri region, which ranked No. 1 in hot line calls for children in 2006, has seen other attention-grabbing abuse cases. Among them were 2-year-old Dominic James, who was shaken to death by a foster parent in 2002, and 9-year-old Rowan Ford, who was found raped and killed in 2007 — her stepfather and a friend of his are charged in the case.  The region also ranked first in the number of children in state custody in 2006 and in the number of substantiated child abuse/neglect cases and family assessments, according to the Department of Social Services.  "We have always had higher numbers in southwest Missouri," said Barbara Brown, executive director of the Child Advocacy Center in Springfield. "The age-old question is, is this because we're good at reporting abuse or because we have more?"
Brown, whose agency saw a record 836 alleged child victims last year, said reporting is part of the answer.  "But I don't think that's all of it," she said. Poverty and drugs also contribute, Brown said.

Lambert, 54, maintains his innocence and says he's "thankful that everybody is doing well, and that we're able to move on."
'It takes a saint to go through that'  Amey Burkett, 35, claims she was abused by people other than Lambert while she grew up in Lambert's church. She supported Lambert's accusers, but also understood when they became weary of the process.
"It gets frustrating after a while, getting nowhere, nothing happening. ... The judicial system, it takes a saint to go through that," said Burkett. "It felt like you were stuck and couldn't move."

Burkett, who has moved away from Lambert's 100-acre spread with her husband and children, has mixed feelings about Lambert.
"Even though (Lambert) did bad things, and I didn't approve of it, I know that was passed down to him through generations. This was three or four generations deep," she said. "He raised me. ... I still love him, and I really didn't ever want him hurt, even though I knew what he did was wrong."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30548288/

Thanks for the article JessStar! 

The victim grows up and reports the abuse, is either not believed or told the statue of limitations have run, or it actually is investigated and taken to court, only to have charges dropped.  Perps get embarrassed at having been caught, move away.  Begin the abuse in another unsuspecting area. 

Victims are the losers.  Over and over again. 

Perps are free to repeat. 

Round and round it goes. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyWaa::

It's unbelievable, isn't it Wyks?  I just can't, for the life of me, understand how we managed to get our priorities so screwed up.

It sure is, JessStar!  Hard to know where we lost it all, hard to know how to get it all back.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have you guys seen the new monkey icon? 

------->>>   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil::

very messed up isn't it?

didn't see that before Wyks! I like it!  ::MonkeyDevil::

I like it too, Cookie!  Someone snuck it into the lineup!   ::MonkeyDevil::

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SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —  A 3-year-old boy was kidnapped by two gunmen who broke into his family's home, tied up his mother and her five children, robbed the house and left with the child, authorities said.

The California Highway Patrol issued an Amber Alert late Sunday for 3-year-old Briant Rodriguez, about nine hours after he was taken from his San Bernardino home.

The men, each carrying a handgun, burst through the front door of the home, tied up the family, then ransacked the house and stole money and property, said Cindy Beavers, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

The men then left with Briant and told the still-bound mother and four other children not to call police.

One of the children freed himself then untied the rest of the family, Beavers said. Beavers did not know the ages of the rest of the children but said she believed Briant was the youngest.

The mother told investigators she did not know the two Hispanic men, one estimated to be 18 years old, the other 24.

"We have no idea why they took the child," Beavers said. "They were strangers to the whole family."

No witnesses saw the men's vehicle.

Briant is a Hispanic boy 3 feet tall and weighs 40 pounds, with brown eyes and long, curly brown hair. He was wearing a yellow shirt, blue-striped shorts and black sandals when he was taken.

San Bernardino is about 60 miles east of downtown Los Angeles

Thanks JessStar for that article, I will follow this closely, maybe more details will emerge, and hopefully the little boy will be found unharmed  ::MonkeyNoNo::

OMG that is so scary! Poor baby!!!  Please keep us updated on this.

Beyond terrifying! I hope he is home safely and soon.

I started a new thread in the Crimes Against Children forum.  If I hear anything, I'll post it there.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There is something wrong with the legal systems when these monsters are allowed to roam free to prey on innocent children.

Janet

Although I had a hinky feeling prior ... a light went off when I read the following regarding lane Lawless being question in regard to a child abuse allegation as well as his granddaughter.

The FBI should be connecting all the dots as well as all the allegations encompassing the connections.

Janet

++++++

Cantu Investigators Visit Washington Church
Slaying Suspect Expected In Court

theKCRAchannel.com
updated 2:15 p.m. PT, Tues., April 28,

Earlier this month, the FBI went to the First Church of God in Clarkston, Wash., to ask questions about Lane Lawless, who is Huckaby's grandfather and currently serves as pastor of Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy.

Huckaby, who was set to return to a Stockton courtroom on Friday, has been charged with murdering Cantu.

Meanwhile, a source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30388362/

Kidnap Survivor Severely Hurt In Vallejo CrashVALLEJO (CBS13) ―

May 1, 2009

She survived being kidnapped by a killer as an 8-year-old and helped in the search for little Sandra Cantu, now 16-year-old Midsi Sanchez is recovering from severe injuries in a hospital after a horrific accident overnight that also hurt three other women.

The now-16 year-old Sanchez was eight when she was abducted from her home in Vallejo by Curtis Dean Anderson. She escaped three days later.

Sanchez was one of four people hurt overnight in Vallejo when a truck they were traveling in lost control and flipped several times and ended up on an embankment. Midsi was a passenger in the truck and was ejected in the crash. She was taken by helicopter to John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek. The Mercury News is reporting that Midsi is suffering from a broken neck and a punctured lung.

Two other passengers, both 20, were able to get out on their own and were taken to a hospital in Vallejo. The driver who is also 20 was trapped in the truck for 30 minutes before crews could get her out. Vallejo Police say it appears the driver of the truck was intoxicated.

Midsi survived her own kidnapping ordeal back in 2000 when she was kidnapped by Curtis Dean Anderson. 8-year-old Midsi was shackled to the front seat of Anderson’s car for two days and managed to escape by getting hold of the keys, flagging down a passing truck and diving through the open window.

Anderson was later convicted in Midsi’s kidnapping and also pleaded guilty to the 1999 kidnapping, molestation and murder of 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild.

Midsi helped post flyers in March after 8-year-old Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy. Midsi had been eating at a fast-food restaurant in Tracy when she heard about Sandra and said she felt compelled to help.

http://ow.ly/4Hb3

I called the below asking if anyone could email a card or message to Midsi. The operator told me she was in neo intensive care and would not be able to accept any messages at the present time.  She thought it would be a while before she was released to a private room - does not sound good.

John Muir Medical Center,
Walnut Creek Campus
1601 Ygnacio Valley Rd.
Walnut Creek, CA 94598
(925) 939-3000

Poor Midsi...
hope that she has a complete recovery....she deserves a break in life ....dog gone it!

How very true, how sad, sometimes I wonder how a family can go through so much heartache.

I know Rosie...it is terrible what some families have suffered...

o/t
did you happen to watch the McCanns on Oprah yesterday? very sad to watch their grief and heartache....

Midsi Sanchezhttp://www.geocities.com/littlemissingangels/Midsi

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/2000/08/13/NEWS1416.dtl

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:949860712&start=10

Xiana Fairchild: Prepare to vomit:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22346.html

he kept Xiana alive for 3 weeks before murdering her? I am gobsmacked!
I can't fathom what this little one went through before her death..
what kind of monsters are out there among us waiting to grab another little child...I am just sick from reading this...I had not heard of this guy before today...

I see Briant Rodriguez is still missing - darling little child !

yes he is darling...
I just read on yahoo blurb that there has been no request for ransom....

Where do these people slither out from - sorry this is disgusting - but just to show how these people think !~
"The man accused of kidnapping and murdering 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild in 1999 allegedly had a pattern of stalking Vallejo schoolgirls, according to Tuesday testimony in a San Jose courthouse.

In the day's most horrific revelation, a Vallejo police detective testified that a prison informant said Curtis Dean Anderson bragged that he had videotaped himself strangling Xiana as he sexually assaulted the drugged child -- before beheading her.

The testimony came on the second day of a preliminary hearing to determine if there's sufficient evidence to make Anderson, 44, stand trial for the kidnap-murder of Xiana. Anderson is charged with abducting her in Vallejo as she walked to school, and then sexually assaulting and killing her as she was held captive at his San Jose boardinghouse room before dumping her body in the Santa Cruz Mountains."
 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-22346.html

  I wonder if he sold the tape as a "snuff film".  Sick Bast --- !

Sac.....makes me sick to think about...but it could be true...^^^^^^

K9....I agree...they are in so much pain....very hard to see that....

Just so you know, I have not forgotten about my pledge to prepare a letter to state, local, federal, whomever, for all to use, as I mentioned in a previous post.  I have it about 75% written.  I've been buried at work lately, so I've been very pressed for time.  But I will have it for you all.  I'm taking my time with it because I want to make sure it quickly grasps the reader's attention and doesn't get lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other letters these people receive.  Right now, I'm leaning toward having two letters--one to send to the feds and one to state and local governments.  The reason is that I'd like to send a separate letter to the feds to make the point that Crimes Against Children are no longer a state or local matter.  They affect the entire country, and require the support of the federal government.  I venture to guess that most people, even the most conservative among us, would support federal intervention to prevent and solve such crimes.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  Thanks for your patience!     ::MonkeyWink::

Jess...take your time...I am sure that it will be excellent and worth the wait....and thanks for doing it!

You bet, Cookie.   And thanks for the kind words! ::MonkeyDance::

Its all good Jessstar! We have trust that the letter will be perfect and will be delivered in due time. Thank you for wanting to do it!

Thanks Tracygirl.  It is the LEAST I can do in the face of these tragedies.  I need to find out what else I can do to try to make a difference.

—-Too many loose foreign objects floating around Tracy in my
opinion. Pretty soon there weren’t be enough judges to
issue enough gag orders to cover them up.

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What is going on in this area of CA ???? Some sort of drugs - lack of consciousness or what ?????
Accused molester could face criminal grand jury by Justin Lafferty
May 06, 2009 Tracy Press

As prosecutors ponder convening a criminal grand jury, the attorney of a former Tracy substitute teacher accused of child molestation asked if some evidence taken during the investigation could be returned.

Deborah Fialkowski, representing Jessie Llorente III, the Kelly School teacher who was arrested in March, said a digital camera that was taken as evidence has pictures that her client’s mother would like back.

Fialkowski said Llorente’s mother, a kindergarten teacher, said that there are pictures on the camera’s memory card of her students and that she wants them returned for a school project. The request came during a five-minute hearing this morning at the Manteca courthouse.

“At the end of the year, they give each child a CD of things they did at Halloween and Valentine’s Day and things of that nature,” Fialkowski told Judge Ron Northup. “She would like to have at least the SIM card or something so she can prepare these for her children.”

Northup asked prosecutor Elton Grau if he was open to letting Llorente’s mother have at least a copy of the pictures. Grau said that he doesn’t exactly know how valuable the pictures are in regards to the case quite yet, declining to release them now. He’ll take a closer look at the pictures later, he said.

Later, Fialkowski said that the family’s laptop and other miscellaneous items were also taken in the course of the investigation.

In the hearing, Fialkowski asked that the preliminary hearing, originally scheduled for today, be moved to 8:30 a.m. June 2 in Manteca. She said that Grau intended to bring the case in front of a grand jury later this month, a claim Grau would not talk about.

Grau and Llorente agreed to the new date. Llorente said nothing else throughout the hearing but “Yes, sir,” to Northup’s question about the rescheduling.

Northup maintained bail at $1 million.

Llorente, who was arrested March 19, is in custody at San Joaquin County Jail at French Camp. The Tracy High alumnus faces 10 felony counts of lewd acts with a child, three misdemeanor counts of child molestation and one count of possessing child pornography. Tracy police, at the time of the arrest, said that he admitted to getting aroused when touching the hair and shoulders of girls he taught. They said he also admitted to possessing child pornography.

At Llorente’s last arraignment hearing, April 14, he pleaded not guilty.

•Contact Tracy Press reporter Justin Lafferty at 830-4269 or jlafferty@tracypress.com.

Cantu Reward Goes to Farmworker
Thurs. May 7, 2009
TRACY, CA - The man who found the suitcase carrying the remains of Sandra Cantu was presented with a reward Thursday.

Jose Luis Franco, who spotted the luggage while working at a dairy farm irrigation pond April 6, said he was devastated to learn it held the missing 8-year-old. The Tracy girl was reported missing March 27. A neighbor, Melissa Huckaby, has been charged with Sandra's kidnapping, rape and murder.

The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation presented Franco with the $21,643 reward in a private ceremony Thursday. Tracy police said Franco was uncomfortable with the public presentation that had been planned.

Franco had wanted the funds to go Sandra Cantu's family but the reward was established in such a way that that wasn't possible, according to a foundation representative.

Franco told News10 previously that he planned to use the funds for his children's education.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=58996&catid=2

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He sounds like a nice man.