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Quote from: mamacrazy30 on June 23, 2009, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on June 23, 2009, 09:28:22 PM
here she is in rochester washington
Name: Marylin E Gomes
Address: 8710 SW 180th WY, Rochester, Washington 98579-0301 (1993)
the 1934?
no, this is timothy's mother. for a fact. he and others of the same family are also listed at this address, so this is her.
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Quote from: mamacrazy30 on June 23, 2009, 09:56:15 PM
for my own benefit
the gals married lawless
only tieken divorced lawless
m lawless married gomes...
so short is still married to lawless and when tieken divorce lawless she kept the name.
so good by m. tieken and m. short.
huhh..
and for some reason the boys think mom maiden name is lawless.
sheesh..
at this point it could have been...
maybe we can't find g lawless for a reason..maybe he was married to whoever this lady could be, had children with her, but was also married to m, tieken AND m. short...
my theory for the night is: he killed them both and to hide it had ??mystery woman pose as both...
that was lame and i'm sorry DD...i've got to hang it up for the night my brain is FRIED!
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June 23, 2009, 10:02:37 PM »
I wonder if there is anything in old news articles about her. maybe they got arrested or something.
we don't find manuel gomes listed at any of the addresses. where did he go?
maybe she is a black widow?
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Quote from: mamacrazy30 on June 23, 2009, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: mamacrazy30 on June 23, 2009, 09:56:15 PM
for my own benefit
the gals married lawless
only tieken divorced lawless
m lawless married gomes...
so short is still married to lawless and when tieken divorce lawless she kept the name.
so good by m. tieken and m. short.
huhh..
and for some reason the boys think mom maiden name is lawless.
sheesh..
at this point it could have been...
maybe we can't find g lawless for a reason..maybe he was married to whoever this lady could be, had children with her, but was also married to m, tieken AND m. short...
my theory for the night is: he killed them both and to hide it had ??mystery woman pose as both...
that was lame and i'm sorry DD...i've got to hang it up for the night my brain is FRIED!
at the same time I am posting she killed both husbands LOL
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hmmm what if she married under her name of tieken, got the copy, changed the name on it to short, then took it to have it recorded, but whoever married them also recorded the one with the right name?
she might not have ever wanted to marry gary d lawless, she just wanted her name changed so no one would know who she really was. was she hiding from the law? then she gets the divorce or he does?
or like you said, she never was marylin tieken. maybe she was a short, used the tieken name and gary got a divorce saying that was not her right name etc?
oh gee who knows
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no, that can't be right, her boys birth records say mother nee name is tieken, so that must be her. so did she change the name on the marriage record then go record it under the phoney name of short so no one could trace her back to tieken? how weird to do it that way though, but back then you could probably get away with it.
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Was Gary lawless born in the USA? Could it have been for citizenship? (explaining the one month marriage)
Wasn't it popular to marry someone who you where in crimes with because a wife couldn't testify against a husband?
Maybe Gary lawless is this gomes guy? I wish we could find pictures
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Quote from: Tracygirl on June 23, 2009, 10:30:30 PM
Was Gary lawless born in the USA? Could it have been for citizenship? (explaining the one month marriage)
Wasn't it popular to marry someone who you where in crimes with because a wife couldn't testify against a husband?
Maybe Gary lawless is this gomes guy? I wish we could find pictures
the US census is available through 1930, those will show who is born where and where their parents are born. but gary d lawless is listed as born after 1930 so he will not show up on the census, so we can't get records from that.
I might go look for the lawless who ARE on the 1930 census in napa and see which ones pop up... gary d lawless might have also been there in the navy or something too and not even from california at all.
yes, there was a law they could not make you testify against your husband. I don't know if that is in affect now, but it was then I believe.
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these are the lawless names I find on the census in NAPA
these are inmates of napa state hospital
1910 United States Federal Census
about Maria Cawless
Name: Maria Cawless
[Maria Lawless]
Age in 1910: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Home in 1910: Napa, Napa, California
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Amo Harris 59
Sarah Harold 48
Rose Haberly 66
Katie Hughes 43
Mary Heath 64
Hannah Haralin 62
Rebecca Houschfeld 68
Ami Hunt 68
Emily Hones 53
Anna Helling 74
Mamie Hosking 39
Emily S Jones 54
Hannah Johnson 81
Anna P Jensens 61
Annie Johnson 53
W S Jon 40
Annie Johnson 58
Lena Jacobson 70
Alice W Kuffel 60
Margaret Kohn 73
Mate Ceye Kelley 56
Anna Kinsell 64
Emma Kricham 58
Ann Kellay 67
Catherine Kelly 65
Cemas Komer 44
Johanna Emahan 79
Naomi M Lewis 6/12
Bridget Owns 71
Maria Cawless 60 (aka maria lawless)
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again Napa State Hospital
1900 United States Federal Census
about Maria Lawless
Name: Maria Lawless
Home in 1900: Napa, Napa, California
Age: 44
Birth Date: 1856
Birthplace: California
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of House: Patient
Residence : Napa Township, Soscol and Coombsville Precincts (Excl. Napa City), Napa, California
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lizzie Bohman 25
Emilie Wuest 52
Jennie Veidor 38
Elfrida Tisdale 22
Rose Thirion 45
Wendla Thors 41
Emma Sclinbert 42
Mary A Russell 58
Sarah G Preshaw 51
Mary O Neill 39
Allie Ogilvie 46
Mary Olsen 46
Anna Nesbitt 38
Alice Messier 35
Maggie Mc Kee 27
Alice Ligrot 23
Hannah Langan 67
Ellen Laioles 68
J F Jordan 62
Anna Jensen 44
Eugenie Heinrich 50
Naomi G Huff 34
Mary Graham 59
Emily Earley 57
Jane Doe UNKN
Mary J Dillon 48
Mary J Collins 79
Mary Rossonette 63
Lizzie Best 32
Annie Murphy 64
Naomi M Lewis UNKN
Annie Mc Cormick 38
Sarah J D Arcy 65
Sarah Daley 42
N W Spenser 50
Hilda L Larson 28
Mary A Binner 39
Hattie Perrin 48
Adelaide Murray 49
John Norton UNKN
Norah Shea 49
Annie T Chase 45
Ann Cure 40
Elizabeth A Forrester 49
Sophia Fisher 41
Anne
Harris
49
Jennie Johanson 48
W S Joy
Hannah
Johnson
71
Ann Kelly 57
Maria L Kelley 46
Mary Maher 40
Elizabeth Sanders 57
Kate Anderson 58
Mary A Ahern 44
Mary Callahan 55
Alice Quinn 52
Margaret Reagan 45
Jane Robertson 68
Madeline Rodes 63
Martha C Sullivan 58
Catherine Ashton 58
Amelia Arias 49
Ellen Barry 80
Teresa Barily 61
Catherine J Coleman 55
Rosana B Cadwell 71
Mary A Cowie 75
Margaret Conroy 65
Julia Cleary 87
Mary Colfer 60
Mary Dix 47
Henrietta Enders 43
Honora Fanning 51
Lena Fleishman 41
Oniska Fiske 50
Annie Housten 63
Jane Hines 46
Rosalie Hin? 65
Mary D Healy 51
Mary Jarvis 50
Esetra Kelly 80
Maria Lawless 44
Bridget Lyons 61
Johanna Leoy 67
Barbara Myers 49
A R Olsen 52
Sarah Smith 69
Mary Sandrock 76
Augusta Tr?Ebel 51
Alice Van Kuelen 60
Emma Weburg 36
Mary H Whitney 83
Ida B Williams 70
Annie B Young 48
F E Dickenson 44
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1880 United States Federal Census
about Richard Lawless
Name: Richard Lawless
Home in 1880: Suscol, Napa, California
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relation to Head of Household: Something other than a direct relationship (Other)
on the original looks like it says HIRED MAN
Father's birthplace: Ireland
Mother's birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farm Laborer
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Jeremiah Buckley 47
Helen Buckley 43
Mary T. Buckley 20
Helen F. Buckley 18
Caroline A. Buckley 16
Sarah E. Buckley 14
Rachel Buckley 12
Richard Lawless 24
Patrick T. Jordon 15
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again, napa state hospital
1920 United States Federal Census
about William Lawless
Name: William Lawless
Home in 1920: Napa, Napa, California
Age: 53 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: California
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Father's Birth Place: Kansas
Mother's Birth Place: Kansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: No
Image: 284
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Household Members: Name Age
Clarence Gatlin 22
Zanerio Giovanoni 62
Manuel Gelina 39
Wilbur C Gibson 17
Oliver Gilbert un
Fred A Gleason 45
Carl Gochenback 36
Antone Gogl 71
Edward I Goldberg 23
James F Gooch 63
William Gordon 78
Albert Gould 60
Charles P Green 45
Edward F Grimley 29
Fred Grosse 26
Alton Guidry 17
Frank Gurwich 36
Tibbs Gusippo un
Herman Gustus 45
George A Hafer 73
Carl H Hamblen 30
Alfred Hambrecht 21
John Hannah 31
Ernest Hansel 44
Carl J Harkinson 63
Claude E Harper 32
George E Hart 46
Will H Harvey un
Bert Hays 36
Claus Hein 59
John Hennessey 56
Albert A Herrera 25
Robert B Hewson 48
Gustave Hilker 36
Ferdinand Kinsberger 48
August Hinselman 43
Charles Hollman 65
Nelson Holt 58
Shelby Hunter 78
George Ingrim 58
John Inskeep 63
Andrew Jacobson 52
Alfred Johnson 47
Herbert A Johnston 38
Jacob Johnson 48
Walter Johnson 55
George Jones 36
Sam Jones 35
Themastaki Jordigianis 30
Jahek Julius un
William Jung 69
Emil Kappenman 31
George Kase 51
Timothy D Kearney 37
John F Kellogg 67
John Kelly 36
Arthur R Kendall 24
John H Kendall 52
Matthew Kerwin 30
Gus B Kessler 37
Thomas Kilduff 60
James Knight 36
Henry Kosh 54
Ludwick Kopp 49
Frank Kroutch 60
John V Kulke 64
Kottara Kyriakos 50
C F Lagerstrom 59
Edward Lark 54
Louis Lauray 53
Frank J Laurie 47
William Lawless 53
John C P Leck un
Chapman Leigh 51
Feriso Lejano 30
Gustave Le Roche 72
Bruno Legrand 55
Joseph Lennon 53
Waldo Littlefield 62
Knute Linborn 47
Marion Longnure 23
Charles W Lovell 25
George Lowenthal 16
Carl Lundhal 51
August Lutgens 75
Luis A Lux 59
William S Lyons 41
John M Magnusson 49
Earl Malloy 28
Clayton Manaugh 41
Aaron Mann 22
Ben Mason 35
Arturo Manfredi 38
Dominick W Mariano 44
Roland Marx 30
Guilemo Matarri 55
John Mattson 34
K Matumago 45
George May 55
George Meir 70
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Quote from: doubledecker on June 23, 2009, 10:08:39 PM
hmmm what if she married under her name of tieken, got the copy, changed the name on it to short, then took it to have it recorded, but whoever married them also recorded the one with the right name?
she might not have ever wanted to marry gary d lawless, she just wanted her name changed so no one would know who she really was. was she hiding from the law? then she gets the divorce or he does?
or like you said, she never was marylin tieken. maybe she was a short, used the tieken name and gary got a divorce saying that was not her right name etc?
oh gee who knows
DD, I've been trying to figure this out too. I think it has something to do with money or hiding. But none of her kids ever used tieken or short that we know of.
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DD i think you might have mis-posted on the what do we know for sure thred. i think gomes was born in the 20's? not sure, i'll have to look....
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Quote from: mamacrazy30 on June 24, 2009, 07:52:41 PM
DD i think you might have mis-posted on the what do we know for sure thred. i think gomes was born in the 20's? not sure, i'll have to look....
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yes, I just noticed that too, UGH.. that is her birth year not his. grrr
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well look at this --- an this is in solano county, the other county that duplicated marriage with gary d lawless is Napa county, so it is not happening just because one county decided to do this.
so what is going on, do all counties give you a separate record for each previous name you had?
California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Manuel Gomes
Name: Manuel Gomes
Age: 44
Est. Birth: abt 1929
Spouse Name: Marylin E Tieken
Spouse Age: 36
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1937
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano
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California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Manuel Gomes
Name: Manuel Gomes
Age: 44
Est. Birth: abt 1929
Spouse Name: Marylin E Lawless
Spouse Age: 36
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1937
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano
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hmmm and how come manuel gomes did not marry marylin E Short? so it is not because they are doing a separate one for each previous name. so what is going on?
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oh I know, marylin tieken is a conjoined twin so he has to marry them both?
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seriously though, wth?
why would they be doing this?
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not only that, we can't find out what happens to either of these husbands. where did they come from and where did they go?
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if anyone reading has been married twice can you go check your records and see if it lists you with two records under two different names?
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so... can we assume marylin tieken married a SHORT before she married gary d lawless?
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could this be the same manuel gomes, in the same county, who is getting a divorce in jan and then marries marylin tieken/lawless in october of the same year?
California Divorce Index, 1966-1984
about Manuel Gomes
Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Name: Marlene A Pountain
Location: Solano
Date: Jan 1973
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===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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