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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Very interesting post.
Pita, I DO remember that post. Sometimes I skip a lot of the FP's posts, excepts Carpe's of course, cause he's sooo darn funny, but I do remember when Evilive was posting... and read those posts.
and when you look back, it makes a lot more sense today then it did back then... at least to me it does.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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June 19, 2008, 09:38:09 AM »
Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Very interesting post.
Pita, I DO remember that post. Sometimes I skip a lot of the FP's posts, excepts Carpe's of course, cause he's sooo darn funny, but I do remember when Evilive was posting... and read those posts.
and when you look back, it makes a lot more sense today then it did back then... at least to me it does.
Rob, I agree!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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June 19, 2008, 09:40:15 AM »
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Very interesting post.
Pita, I DO remember that post. Sometimes I skip a lot of the FP's posts, excepts Carpe's of course, cause he's sooo darn funny, but I do remember when Evilive was posting... and read those posts.
and when you look back, it makes a lot more sense today then it did back then... at least to me it does.
Rob, I agree!
the SN is interesting also.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 08:16:07 AM
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Quote from: klaasend on June 18, 2008, 11:26:17 PM
Wreck
- that lettering is actually from the factory and Destiny did call the K-Swiss people to find out about it. I believe they said that those shoes (K-Swiss graffiti) were available in the 2nd quarter 2005 and in the USA only. I think Florida was one of the areas they were available. We do know that Joran was in Florida prior to Natalee going to Aruba.
Seriously??? K-Swiss put lettering on their shoes that look like
"tagging" on the side of a subway car????
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/
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Somebody must remember this besides me!
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I remember, Rob. In most circles, grafitti is known by its rightful name: VANDALISM to PRIVATE PROPERTY.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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June 19, 2008, 09:40:56 AM »
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Very interesting post.
Pita, I DO remember that post. Sometimes I skip a lot of the FP's posts, excepts Carpe's of course, cause he's sooo darn funny, but I do remember when Evilive was posting... and read those posts.
and when you look back, it makes a lot more sense today then it did back then... at least to me it does.
Rob, I agree!
Much of what he is saying could very well be true and does make sense..However I think this was just a knowledgable poster who was guessing.MO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Quote from: Peaches on June 19, 2008, 09:40:19 AM
I remember, Rob. In most circles, grafitti is known by its rightful name: VANDALISM to PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Hi Peaches, yes of course it is vandalism
but the correlation between the shoe and his interest can not be denied. I can see him being attracted to that style of shoe due to his
hobby
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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June 19, 2008, 09:48:39 AM »
Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on June 19, 2008, 09:23:29 AM
Interesting post from the front page(link from Rob)
April 2007
evilive on April 3rd, 2007 8:06 pm
I have not posted in a while so here it is…….
Paulus to Jan and others.
There was this blonde American female tourist that tried to get Joran and Geoffrey in trouble. They say some photos of her at the HI. They thought she was hot and any easy pick so they wanted to have a little fun with her at C and C’s. She ended up slapping Geoffrey and when Joran made his advances; she tried to file a report to the police against both of them.
Joran will point her out to me when we go to the casino. Joran is going to try and bring her over to my place before she leaves Aruba. If Joran can get her I think we should teach the little xxxx a lesson she won’t forget. Anita won’t be home and neither will my other boys; it will be perfect if he can get her. We’ll teach her a lesson and then bring her back to her hotel. She won’t remember a thing. You know; why not asked Freddie to come over and video tape our lesson.
We have done this to other tourist at least twenty times before and nothing has ever gone wrong.
But something bad happened didn’t it Paulus? Natalee was a virgin. There was blood on the mattress. Natalee was slipping in and out of consciousness when she stopped breathing. You all tried to revive her unsuccessfully. You know you could not report this to the police because jan van der Straaten was already there. You tried to find information on the internet about drug interaction. You called your buddy at the funeral home. He told you he would send someone over from the church and wait for you to bring Natalee; but you had to come up with some amnesia money.
You placed her in your truck, went to the ATM and then went to the cemetery.
The caretaker placed her temporarily in a crypt until everyone could figure out what to do with the body.
Later your truck was confiscated so no evidence could be found.
Later you found out the caretaker and Benson tried to collect Natalee’s reward money and you had both of them killed.
You thought you had plenty of time to secure your no body you have no case.
You got rid of Natalee’s body and clothing.
However; you left behind Natalee’s underwear that Anita found.
Aruba could not let it be known that a prominent judge, other officials and their sons were involved in date rape schemes. Aruba’s tourist business would go straight down the tubes.
Keon and Guido are your weakest links, so you had to get them out of the country. Jan is a bag of nerves and he got shipped to Bonaire.
Dompig said that he could solve the case, but it was bigger them him; especially when they threatened to include Michael in the rape and murder. Or was he, and they threatened to expose him.
You, Jan, Steve Croes, Nelson Oduber and Dompig since he was an original spokesman for the tourist industry and others were involved in a cover up scheme. You can’t bring closure now because you don’t have a body to return.
You all rushed to cover up but didn’t count on how much exposure Natalee would receive.
Now it’s no body no tourists
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danki Karma. That
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interesting... and looks right in many areas.
You're welcome Rob,I think it all could have happened this easily.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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Reply #127 on:
June 19, 2008, 09:52:41 AM »
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on June 19, 2008, 09:23:29 AM
Interesting post from the front page(link from Rob)
April 2007
evilive on April 3rd, 2007 8:06 pm
I have not posted in a while so here it is…….
Paulus to Jan and others.
There was this blonde American female tourist that tried to get Joran and Geoffrey in trouble. They say some photos of her at the HI. They thought she was hot and any easy pick so they wanted to have a little fun with her at C and C’s. She ended up slapping Geoffrey and when Joran made his advances; she tried to file a report to the police against both of them.
Joran will point her out to me when we go to the casino. Joran is going to try and bring her over to my place before she leaves Aruba. If Joran can get her I think we should teach the little xxxx a lesson she won’t forget. Anita won’t be home and neither will my other boys; it will be perfect if he can get her. We’ll teach her a lesson and then bring her back to her hotel. She won’t remember a thing. You know; why not asked Freddie to come over and video tape our lesson.
We have done this to other tourist at least twenty times before and nothing has ever gone wrong.
But something bad happened didn’t it Paulus? Natalee was a virgin. There was blood on the mattress. Natalee was slipping in and out of consciousness when she stopped breathing. You all tried to revive her unsuccessfully. You know you could not report this to the police because jan van der Straaten was already there. You tried to find information on the internet about drug interaction. You called your buddy at the funeral home. He told you he would send someone over from the church and wait for you to bring Natalee; but you had to come up with some amnesia money.
You placed her in your truck, went to the ATM and then went to the cemetery.
The caretaker placed her temporarily in a crypt until everyone could figure out what to do with the body.
Later your truck was confiscated so no evidence could be found.
Later you found out the caretaker and Benson tried to collect Natalee’s reward money and you had both of them killed.
You thought you had plenty of time to secure your no body you have no case.
You got rid of Natalee’s body and clothing.
However; you left behind Natalee’s underwear that Anita found.
Aruba could not let it be known that a prominent judge, other officials and their sons were involved in date rape schemes. Aruba’s tourist business would go straight down the tubes.
Keon and Guido are your weakest links, so you had to get them out of the country. Jan is a bag of nerves and he got shipped to Bonaire.
Dompig said that he could solve the case, but it was bigger them him; especially when they threatened to include Michael in the rape and murder. Or was he, and they threatened to expose him.
You, Jan, Steve Croes, Nelson Oduber and Dompig since he was an original spokesman for the tourist industry and others were involved in a cover up scheme. You can’t bring closure now because you don’t have a body to return.
You all rushed to cover up but didn’t count on how much exposure Natalee would receive.
Now it’s no body no tourists
.
Very interesting post.
It sure is...in later postings EvilLive states he/she was just trying to think like a perp to come up with this post above.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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June 19, 2008, 09:58:39 AM »
Quote from: ******* on June 19, 2008, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Pita on June 19, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Very interesting post.
Pita, I DO remember that post. Sometimes I skip a lot of the FP's posts, excepts Carpe's of course, cause he's sooo darn funny, but I do remember when Evilive was posting... and read those posts.
and when you look back, it makes a lot more sense today then it did back then... at least to me it does.
Rob, I agree!
Much of what he is saying could very well be true and does make sense..However I think this was just a knowledgable poster who was guessing.MO
Correct *******
I should have read further on and stated this with my post(sorry):
EvilLive also posted that he/she was just trying to think like a perp to come up with that post.
In no way was I thinking that he/she was making a veiled confession
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 -
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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43474.php
Through translator:
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This evil little woman and a few of her followers were bragging for months about this Documentary at FOK and other Dutch boards. They were trying to build up Gielen like she was this great researcher and everyone should hold there breath until this documentary comes out. Problem is no one in there right mind will touch her lies and misinformation. Aint that right GBMW?
Quote from: johan555 on June 18, 2008, 02:17:16 PM
nog een reactie op de documentaire van gielen
stay tuned. gielen's next major work will be the definitive and totally accurate beyond belief of the effect godzilla has been having on the vanishments of tourists and locals on the happy island. gielen will again be aided by renfro of aruba who has intimate contact with scores of taxi drivers who possess 27 languages and photographic memories. the u.s. and dutch navies are expressing great interest as well as the tourism depts. of all caribbean islands who can see wonderful advantages in being able to use godzilla to both enhance their sightseeing potential and to easily explain any lost tourists or locals and still be able to maintain that they are crime free and perfectly safe venues for tourists.
gielen and renfro have both expressed great satisfaction with their efforts and results since throwing off the chains of fact, truth, history, and common sense that bind most serious journalists but are completely useless in their efforts.
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Quote from: Maggie on June 19, 2008, 09:19:32 AM
I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.
I also would like more information on this too.
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Quote from: klaasend on June 19, 2008, 10:07:06 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43474.php
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Wonder why the state of the bodies were so different?
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Hey! Who's talking Miami? I want to know about it too...I have heard that over and over. Was he ever missing in action during those first few weeks?
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Quote from: LilPuma on June 19, 2008, 02:00:10 AM
Always1, I understand what you're saying about the shoe and I agree.
I looked through 98 pages of thumbnails based on a search for Thailand Clubs and Dutch in Thailand. No Joran, but lots of westerners. Needle in a haystack, but what the hay, I hoped there'd be something with some mystery person and a big wad of cash. There is a Thailand Dutch Expat site, a Yahoo News Group that may have something to do with Dutch in Thailand, but both were in Dutch and you have to join to see pics. I didn't go to a lot of websites because I didn't want to enter the world of Thai women looking for love.
Must be a shortage of men there.
Tamikosmom, I couldn't even find a transcript of Kimberly's interview with Anita-in-Denial Van der Sloot, even over at RU, so I'll have to look tomorrow.
Long day for me, busy week, I'm tired, I'm sore and achy but I'm really glad GMBW enjoyed her time in the States (gotta watch those subways in big cities) and I'm glad Peter DeVries hasn't dropped the ball or this case.
Oh, I have a pair of K-Swiss that are several years old, from before my leg got messed up and I was playing tennis. If a pic of them would help in any way, let me know.
Nite.
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I have that Kimberley/Anita interview somewhere. I agree ... Anita's words would make a perfect foundation for the project. I will post what I find sometime today.
I hope you are feeling better.
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Quote from: can on June 19, 2008, 10:29:11 AM
Quote from: klaasend on June 19, 2008, 10:07:06 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43474.php
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Wonder why the state of the bodies were so different?
I compared the pictures at Diario with the one I posted and they have the same material on top of the body and the same people carrying it,so just pictures of 2 and not 3. This body appears to be much more decomposed then the one with no clothes. I suppose it's possible they were put in the water at the same time but one of them was more exposed to the elements. That doesnt mean they died at the same time or that they couldn't have been dead a few days and then placed in the ocean.
My guess is they were disposed of a few miles out and took a week or so to wash up on that shore. Not sure why the Naked guy had a nylon rope attached to him as it appears to of been cut. He may of been attached to that boat while they let the fish feed on him and then they cut him lose, or was tied up before he died. Both body's are showing there bones on the lower part of the body but not as much on the upper part. I seriously doubt this was some accident aboard some drug boat and they both drowned.
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Quote from: Maggie on June 19, 2008, 09:19:32 AM
I have asked many, many times about PVDS' trip to Miami summer of 2005, but have never received even one reply. Why? Where? When? Any mention of this has never been made, and I always thought it was significant.
IIRC ... the trip to Miami by Paulus shortly following Joran's detention encompassed a telecommunication company and communications that took place on the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing between the participants. I assume Paulus was using his connections/power to ...
Maggie ... I do believe that other Monkeys are more qualified to assist you in regards to this topic. I could be all wrong.
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I seriously doubt it was "just an accident" too *******.
How gruesome for tourists to see and read such things. I hate to see dead fish washed up on the beach, nevermind bodies!
It's curious to me, that while Ahata is so protective of it's tourism image, pictures of this nature continue to appear in their newspapers.
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So, we are surmizing that Paulus went to to Tampa to try to find another exact match for those goofy ass shoes???
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Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2008, 09:43:32 AM
Quote from: Peaches on June 19, 2008, 09:40:19 AM
I remember, Rob. In most circles, grafitti is known by its rightful name: VANDALISM to PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Hi Peaches, yes of course it is vandalism
but the correlation between the shoe and his interest can not be denied. I can see him being attracted to that style of shoe due to his
hobby
.
Yes, Rob. That is why I wondered if Anita also got a pair when she was in Florida with him. I thought Natalee might have grabbed her shoes to try to get out of the house since she would have had none. That would explain the woman's shoe. We have all seen Anita's artwork. Graffiti would be an improvement.
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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