Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[Kermit]

From BFN-re questions for Dave and Robin:

{{edited because I firmly believe there is no place for a question like that in a family friendly forum - even if the original question wasn't posted at SM}}


Robin wrote:
I don't mind if Beth uses the name Holloway.  Matt has not mentioned it, but I think it is best for him since she is not married.  Don't most people that have remarried and the divorce take the last name back they had for the sake of their children?

I am glad you remeoved the original question...even though most of us know what it said....and I am HAPPY to see Robin's reply....it was what I hoped she would say.

Beth can take my name.

Mrs. Beth Kermit the frog.

[klaasend]

WARNING - RUMOR - SPECULATION = AT RU

Arubatoday's online site has been down a couple of days.  Speculation by Trixie at RU based upon some "hints" by Glenda yesterday is that it's being investigated.  Warning - speculation only (or wishful thinking on my part  )

[Tamikosmom]

Caso Natalee Procesverbaal di polis hulandes ta mustra ‘NAN’ A DRENTA PANICO ORA CU NATALEE A KEDA ‘PASSED OUT’

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/6/

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'THEY' WENT INTO PANIC WHEN NATALEE REMAINED 'PASSED OUT'

Oranjestad (AAN) As promised to the peoples of Aruba and the U.S.A., DIARIO will continue with its investigation on the missing girl, Natalee Holloway, and will publish legitimate documents accompanied by analysis and questions that sooner or later will bring out the truth.

Today, the investigative team of DIARIO is publishing part of an official report given by a Dutch police officer who came to Aruba to interrogate Joran van der Sloot among others.

The Dutch police officer states that Joran van Der Sloot is aware of the possibility that exists that one day the American authorities will ask for his extradition due to the fact that the missing girl (Natalee) is an American Citizen. Joran's reaction was that he began to laugh!!!

Now Joran began to laugh because he was afraid or because he felt reassured because he was told beforehand that "no body, no crime"?

From this same official report one can deduct that Joran again throws the ball in Deepak Kalpoe's corner, because he tells the Dutch officer that if they interrogate Deepak in the same manner that they interrogated Joran, then Deepak for sure will tell the truth. Which truth? How come the Dutch police officer did not ask Van der Sloot about which truth he was referring to?

Joran also said that if some weeks before they had interrogated him in the aforementioned manner, then the truth would have come out much faster!

Again the question remains: to what truth is Joran referring to? The supposed truth that he left Natalee behind all alone on the beach? That is the truth that he so heavily sustained during so many weeks with his mouth closed, turn all sorts of story around, remain without speaking, become fresh with the police interrogators, come every time with a different story to contradict other stories, and that show that he had been lying from the beginning?

The question now is: what is Joran referring to with this 'different form of interrogation'?

How come they did not continue with this 'different form of interrogation' of the suspects, to determine what happened to Natalee and where Natalee is?

The culminating part of this procesvebaal (official report) is that when the police officer mentioned the following: "I, De Ruiter, mentioned to Van der Sloot that there was no interest in lying to him about this fact (he is referring to the declaration of Freddy Zedan Arambatzis) because the importance of the declaration made by the witness Zedan Arambatzis, was directed towards the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May told Freddy the story about the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy also that "they" went into panic when Natalee remained "passed out"!

Everyone can read today what was put black on white "Dat ze" went into panic, and the "Ze" here in Dutch shows that more than one person was involved in that part about entering into panic, because "ze" is plural.

There is nowhere in this official report that Joran hurriedly contradicted the Dutch police when reference was made to "They" entered into panic and said that there were no other people involved!!!

Seeing that the Dutch officer himself mentions that "they" entered into panic, according to the declaration of Freddy Zedan, then there were more than one person involved and everyone can reach his own conclusion that Freddy Zedan knows those who he himself referred to as "they", or in Papiamento "nan".
 
"They" went into panic when Natalee remained passed out!!! This means that more than one person was present when Natalee remained passed out and where are these people who were with Natalee when she remained passed out?
 
On the beach like "they" want the police and everyone else to believe, or elsewhere?  Do they who belong to the group referred to as "they" realize now that the circle is slowly closing around "them"? For those who understand what this means, few words are necessary!

The strange part is that Joran declared to the Dutch policeman based on his questions, that he had recently spoken to the witness Freddy Zedan Arambatzis, and that during that conversation, Joran asked Freddy why he mentioned the date of 30 May, and Van der Sloot told the policeman that he (Freddy) just mentioned a date and that the witness in truth heard the story from Van der Sloot himself the day after Natalee disappeared.

Here’s another point in the investigation that proves very controversial and even questions severely the fact that a suspect in police custody or is under investigation, even has the possibility and facility to speak to one of the witnesses, that is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.

In which part of the world can a suspect under police investigation for the disappearance of someone, get the possibility to speak to a witness who is his friend?
On which day did Joran speak with Freddy, where and who gave Joran (while in police custody) the great privilege to speak to a witness who can declare in his favor?

Reading the expositions of the Dutch police officer, who mentioned extradition to Joran, sources in the U.S. are indicating that they are waiting for the opportune moment to ask for the extradition of Joran van der Sloot, the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Freddy Arambatzis, and other names that have not yet been made public.

Preparations can be under way to petition internationally for an order of arrest via the Interpol for those who the U.S. wants to extradite because, as those sources say, they will get them any part of the world and will bring them to justice; in Aruba they won’t get as many years in prison like in the U.S.

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[klaasend]

WARNING - RUMOR - SPECULATION = AT RU

Arubatoday's online site has been down a couple of days.  Speculation by Trixie at RU based upon some "hints" by Glenda yesterday is that it's being investigated.  Warning - speculation only (or wishful thinking on my part  )

gwen wrote:

What happened to Aruba Today? It is not online any longer.

Glenda responds:

I wish I could tell you, actually it's quite telling.  And for the goofballs responsible, I can assure that the only thing they will find are the threats coming in and not a one going out.

Heli responds:

You mean, somebody finagled their allegations of threats or similar
inappropriate conduct emanating from Aruba Today into the online
edition of Aruba Today being yanked from the internet indefinitely,
pending some kind of investigation?

[windy city]

Hi Klaas,

Maybe they are going out of business. 

[windy city]

klaas,

Can you purdy please fix my settings so they default back to this thread when I post?  That would be  .

[klaasend]

klaas,

Can you purdy please fix my settings so they default back to this thread when I post?  That would be  .

Done!  I keep meaning to have Dugga set it to default that way.  I can't imagine anyone wanting it the other way.

[windy city]

Thank you maam'

I saw a couple peeps got their books early.  Anyone else have any luck?

[Buckeye]

Glenda responds:


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I wish I could tell you, actually it's quite telling.  And for the goofballs responsible, I can assure that the only thing they will find are the threats coming in and not a one going out.

Maybe the outgoing ones are on that stolen harddrive...

[windy city]

If the incoming threats are less than a year old, we will know.   

[Buckeye]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

[igsigs]

Hi Klaas,

Maybe they are going out of business. 

If Renfro's recent dribble is any indicator...an overworked spell-check system likely crashed the whole site.  

[Buckeye]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

John Chemaly...in honor of Aruba Today..

[Tamikosmom]

FREDDY KNOWS!!!

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Freddy Zedan
Witness Statement
06/12/05

HOLIDAY INN DROPOFF

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.


BEACH DROP OFF

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.

Translation Credit: Rammstein

[windy city]

Hi Klaas,

Maybe they are going out of business. 

If Renfro's recent dribble is any indicator...an overworked spell-check system likely crashed the whole site.  

Or she spilled her rum and coke on the server.   

[klaasend]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

Wow, cool thanks!

[windy city]

I agree Janet.  Freddy knows.  He is supposed to be a Catholic.  How can he live with the guilt everyday.  He must not attend mass anymore.

[klaasend]

Windy City - in case you are interrested, please check this link 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2051.msg282795#msg282795

[Buckeye]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

Wow, cool thanks!

 

Might be a little light in the loafers, but he is easy on the eyes.

[klaasend]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

Wow, cool thanks!

 

Might be a little light in the loafers, but he is easy on the eyes.

He is nice looking