Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #1

[mrskub]

Orange County Sheriff's Office answers questions

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7096243&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(Snip)
Padilla:  "The only thing we know is what was told to us by the family, that the father died, I guess, about a year ago, somewhere in the Carolinas in a car accident.  So, no.  We've obviously not spoken to the father or his family."

It doesn't appear that Jesus Ortiz would be the father of Caylee then. He was killed in May 2007 near UCF in Florida.

[Rob]

I'm perplexed who the Anthony's do not have 50,ooo dollars anywhere.

No equity in the house? no CDs, bonds, 401ks - what's up with that?

Surely they must know someone or have a relative that has some money. 50 grand seems like a lot of money, but in reality, all that bond / bail money is doing is ensure Casey shows up for hearings and a possible trial on neglect and obstruction at this point.

She would not be getting bail on murder 1 ... so this might be her last chance at freedom for a while if no one coughs up the cash.

[Blonde]

Rob I think I did, she was on the corner of Fig and Newton 

[bluwaters]

I'm perplexed who the Anthony's do not have 50,ooo dollars anywhere.

No equity in the house? no CDs, bonds, 401ks - what's up with that?

Surely they must know someone or have a relative that has some money. 50 grand seems like a lot of money, but in reality, all that bond / bail money is doing is ensure Casey shows up for hearings and a possible trial on neglect and obstruction at this point.

She would not be getting bail on murder 1 ... so this might be her last chance at freedom for a while if no one coughs up the cash.

They aren't in great financial shape to begin with and seem to not have really great credit. I believe that Baez said the 50k wasn't so much the problem, it was coming up with the collateral to cover the remaining 90% of the bond.
jmho

[Rob]

Orange County Sheriff's Office answers questions

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7096243&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(Snip)
Padilla:  "The only thing we know is what was told to us by the family, that the father died, I guess, about a year ago, somewhere in the Carolinas in a car accident.  So, no.  We've obviously not spoken to the father or his family."

It doesn't appear that Jesus Ortiz would be the father of Caylee then. He was killed in May 2007 near UCF in Florida.

I'm getting the feeling that the father may never be identified... who in their right mind leaves the father off of a birth cert? (I know I know - Casey is a nutbag).

isn't that psychotically damaging to Caylee later in life?

[Blonde]

In Cindy Anthony's

7/22 TESTIMONY

Under oath, she clearly says she and Caylee

visited a relative at an assisted living facility,

> AND SIGNED THEMSELVES IN, in the visitor book.

Date: 7/15/2008  Father's Day

Isn't Fathers day IN JUNE?

[KarmaRoundUp]

CINDY ANTHONY: I believe she is alive when Casey handed her off to the baby-sitter. At this point, I just hope to god that no one has done anything to her.

yep, everyone with the first name Zenaida is now a suspect in lil Cindy's eyes.

Didn't I just say that this is the fall person?

Zenaida you are about to get jacked!!!

I thought WTH when Cindy said that....she believes Caylee was alive when handed off to the babysitter???As oposed to dead when she was handed off to the babysitter?
Anyway,I agree with that forensic guy in the interview,that we will know for sure when the results come back on the car.IF the results are no human remains.....I'll be thinking maybe her other GrandMa did kidnap her.

Hi Karma

hey, I'm not sure how much you know about the Madeline McCann case, but the Renault Scenic the McCanns were using had a few human remains hits.

What's odd about this McCann scenario is that the car was rented 25 days after Madeleine disappeared. So, someone who have had to have dug her up and placed her in the boot of the car where the minor samples were found - and - that's just what some people allege.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens when the results come back in Caylee's case.

The difference here would be obviously Casey was using the car before - during and after, unlike the McCanns who only rented the car 25 days later.

Hi Rob
I did read a bit about missing Madeleine but kinda lost interest.I don't really trust what they say they found in the rental car as that case reminded me a bit of aruba.....gotta protect that tourism.
I wonder how long before the results are back?They just annouced a bit ago that the judge denied the release of jailhouse phone calls to the media.The family's atty stated that if the family cannot talk in private to Casey then that could harm the family's investigation....lol...the judge said something like"the investigation doesn't work that way"

[klaasend]

Observation:

This afternoon on FoxNews they were talking about the case and the "new" photos.  They mentioned how great their reporters were to dig up the photos.     This is exactly why I don't like doing them any favors.  They don't give credit to anyone.  Their "reporters" that get paid pretty darn good money, are being fed information for free by people like us.  I just kindof irks me that they don't even acknowledge the people who send them the links, whoever they are (SM, Websleuths, HFTM, etc etc)

[klaasend]

Orange County Sheriff's Office answers questions

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7096243&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(Snip)
Padilla:  "The only thing we know is what was told to us by the family, that the father died, I guess, about a year ago, somewhere in the Carolinas in a car accident.  So, no.  We've obviously not spoken to the father or his family."

It doesn't appear that Jesus Ortiz would be the father of Caylee then. He was killed in May 2007 near UCF in Florida.

Good catch!

[mrskub]

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[Blonde]

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[Blonde]

Pathological Liar

A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.

Compulsive Liar

A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).

[KarmaRoundUp]

Judge OKs Release Of Calls

Also Tuesday, A judge denied a motion to suppress jailhouse phone calls and information in the case.

Baez said he wanted to block the public from hearing calls the woman makes from jail or from seeing who visits her because it could hurt the search for her daughter, Caylee.

Baez said if the family can't speak with Casey Anthony freely, it could slow or prevent anyone from finding her. He also told the judge if he denied the motion, he was playing with fire.
"Your position, Mr. Baez, seems to be, 'Just trust us. We are trying to do an investigation here and if get anything we will tell you about it. Just trust us.' Well, it just doesn't work that way," Judge Stan Strickland said.
Lawyers representing the sheriff's office argued that detectives are in charge of the investigation and they decide whether it is for release, Local 6 reported.

Strickland then denied the motion.

"When push comes to shove in a case like this, I'm going to err on the side of the First Amendment every time and I'm going to do so by denying your motion and that is going to be it," Strickland said.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this developing story.
http://www.local6.com/news/17033163/detail.html

::::snickering::::

[Blonde]

Orange County Sheriff's Office answers questions

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7096243&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

(Snip)
Padilla:  "The only thing we know is what was told to us by the family, that the father died, I guess, about a year ago, somewhere in the Carolinas in a car accident.  So, no.  We've obviously not spoken to the father or his family."

It doesn't appear that Jesus Ortiz would be the father of Caylee then. He was killed in May 2007 near UCF in Florida.

I'm getting the feeling that the father may never be identified... who in their right mind leaves the father off of a birth cert? (I know I know - Casey is a nutbag).

isn't that psychotically damaging to Caylee later in life?

Rob if he was the Daddy then Caylee would have been getting his SS check.
But only if his name was on the birth certificate .

 I bet she just didn't know who the daddy was. 

[mrskub]

This MySpace is bizarre. It's MarsHal Walker from NC, one of Casey's MySpace Friends.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=282952388

One of his pictures is a screen capture of Casey at a hearing with the caption "Great, that judge was a client".
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=282952388&albumId=508702

Is this how she made her living?

[Rob]

FOX has new audio tapes.

[klaasend]

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[bleachedblack]

I'm perplexed who the Anthony's do not have 50,ooo dollars anywhere.

No equity in the house? no CDs, bonds, 401ks - what's up with that?

Surely they must know someone or have a relative that has some money. 50 grand seems like a lot of money, but in reality, all that bond / bail money is doing is ensure Casey shows up for hearings and a possible trial on neglect and obstruction at this point.

She would not be getting bail on murder 1 ... so this might be her last chance at freedom for a while if no one coughs up the cash.

Guess no one in the family trusts her. That would be my guess....no one has 50 grand to throw away because Casey doesn't show up for court when summoned.

[carpe noctem]

In Cindy Anthony's

7/22 TESTIMONY

Under oath, she clearly says she and Caylee

visited a relative at an assisted living facility,

> AND SIGNED THEMSELVES IN, in the visitor book.

Date: 7/15/2008  Father's Day

Isn't Fathers day IN JUNE?

Not in Poland!

...yes, my badddd   June = Baby Daddy Day

[Rob]

In Cindy Anthony's

7/22 TESTIMONY

Under oath, she clearly says she and Caylee

visited a relative at an assisted living facility,

> AND SIGNED THEMSELVES IN, in the visitor book.

Date: 7/15/2008  Father's Day

Isn't Fathers day IN JUNE?

Not in Poland!

...yes, my badddd   June = Baby Daddy Day

it's getting to the point when ever I see Casey I hear this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R4rhY3qZ8