Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 - 6/30/08

[klaasend]

******* - Yes, it seems like there are many who were talking in June/July of 2005 that would like this to "go away" now.

[Observer]

******* - Yes, it seems like there are many who were talking in June/July of 2005 that would like this to "go away" now.

No doubt about that,I just wish one of them would post anonymously somewhere with whatever facts they may know. No matter how small. Theres a few out there that can help us a great deal but they choose not to,instead they watch us struggle day after day trying to piece this together 

[caesu]

Hero Brinkman has asked secretary for kingdom affairs Bijleveld and justice minister Ballin questions about the Nico Jörg interview.

+ have they (Bijleveld/Ballin) read the Volkskrant interview (20th june)

+ were they aware of Jörgs corruption/nepotism/conflicts of interests allegations?

+ what are the financial costs of this sort of corruption over the last 5 years?

+ do the officials who got there jobs because of nepotism have to resign immediately, and if this happens again - will this be prosecuted.

+ what does it mean that the OM on Aruba faces opposition if it wants to prosecute more than just 'street crimes'?
further, how did the OM try to fight this opposition and were punishable offences committed in the process by others?

+ applies the same to the Antilles? if so, should the debt relief be terminated.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43865.php

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/images/vrg26_tcm118-2271.doc (page 7)
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Vragen van het lid Brinkman (PVV) aan de staatssecretaris van Binnenlandse Zaken en Koninkrijksrelaties en aan de minister van Justitie over het politieke klimaat op Aruba en de Nederlandse Antillen. (Ingezonden 26 juni 2008)

1
Kent u het bericht ‘Procureur Jorg: “Naargeestig politiek klimaat op Aruba”’? 1)

2
Wanneer was u op de hoogte van de ernstige aantijgingen van voorbeelden van corruptie, zoals belangenverstrengeling, vriendjespolitiek en nepotisme, waarover de PG van Aruba spreekt en wat hebt u vervolgens hiermee gedaan?

3
Hoeveel geld is er gemoeid met deze vorm van corruptie in de afgelopen vijf jaar op Aruba?

4
Hoeveel aanbestedingen zijn niet altijd transparant gedaan, hoeveel geld was met deze projecten gemoeid en is hiernaar een strafrechtelijk onderzoek ingesteld? Wat is de reden  geweest dat dit niet is gebeurd?

5
Bent u van mening dat het onacceptabel is dat er een achterstand van meer dan 300 wetten bestaat? Zo ja, wat gaat u hieraan doen?

6
Bent u van mening dat iedereen die, via vriendjespolitiek of nepotisme aan een baan is gekomen, op staande voet ontslagen zou moeten worden en, indien dit in de toekomst nogmaals plaats vindt, vervolgd moet worden? Zo neen, waarom niet? Zo ja, hoe gaat u dit initiëren?

7
Hoe komt tot uiting dat het OM op Aruba “op verzet stuit als het meer doet dan het bestrijden van straatcriminaliteit”? Kunt u tevens aangeven op welke wijze het OM dit verzet heeft getracht te breken en of hierbij strafbare feiten door derden zijn gepleegd?

8
Kent u, mogelijk via het OM, ook beschuldigingen van hetzelfde type of combinatie van type als betreffende Aruba, die het land Nederlandse Antillen betreffen? Zo ja, kunt u dan bovenstaande vragen, met uitzondering van vraag 5, ook beantwoorden voor het land Nederlandse Antillen?

9
Deelt u de mening, dat indien dezelfde aantijgingen ook voor de Nederlandse Antillen gelden, de schuldsaneringsvoorstellen niet mogen doorgaan?

 
1) de Volkskrant, 20 juni 2008

the government has to answer by letter or in person in the parliament.

Bijleveld said a few days ago in another Volkskrant interview that Brinkman is right.
so it will be interesting to see how see responds now.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1034040.ece
http://www.thedailyherald.com/tdhonline/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190

-There are ample examples of corruption in the Netherlands Antilles. State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten has never denied the allegations of corruption made by Dutch Second Chamber member Hero Brinkman.

Finally, she was asked about Brinkman’s statement on corruption in the Antilles. She said she had never stated that Brinkman wasn’t right.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43784.php

Bijleveld: Much corruption

Nico Jörg interview:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1033290.ece
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1033343.ece

another thing:

PVV (Brinkman's party) has possibly an unprecedented fraud case uncovered.
pensioners on Aruba and The Antilles get a pension as early as when the are 60.

PVV discovered that the can move to The Netherlands and claim social benefits there.
the Aruban/Antilles databases are not linked up with the Dutch.
so they can claim those benefits as if they weren't already getting a pension.

PVV asked questions to the minister of the interior and the minister of social affairs.

http://pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_deeppockets&task=contShow&id=1147&Itemid=38

last week Brinkman wrote four so called 'weblogs' on the site of newspaper Trouw:

http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1014843.ece/
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1015452.ece/
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1016578.ece/
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article1017801.ece/

not surprisingly, all about corruption on the Antilles/Aruba.
this was in the same week as the POK meetings (between delegations from Netherlands/Antilles/Aruba).

and this week the Jörg interview and the Bijleveld/Ballin trip to Aruba/Antilles.
with the Bijleveld interview where she said Brinkman was right.
interesting to see if this is going anywhere.

[Observer]

I cut out the pictures as there is no need anymore to view the corpses floating off the Aruban beach. I believe the article says there was some confusion that there was 3 colombians but there are 2. All I know from viewing all the pictures is one of the bodies is far more decomposed then the other/s. It's not even close.

6-27-08

[Observer]

Thats great news Caesu! I am very happy to see hero taking a interest in Nico Jorg and asking questions about the corruption in Aruba. If true about the Fraud that is enormous!

I think Jorg and Brinkman should do lunch 

[caesu]

another fare-well interview with Jörg.
this time over the salaries for the OM officials (especially prosecutors).

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43863.php

in short he says it doesn't make sense that Oduber doesn't want prosecutors to earn less than he does.
(this is all related to PG Fernandez-Croes who is still sitting at home waiting to get her pension agreed on).

Jörg also said that Oduber and Rudy Croes are openly fighting with eachother.
(i believe Croes doesn't mind if the prosecutors earn more, few weeks ago they were contradicting eachother in Amigoe articles in noticed).

i really hope Jörg is going to speak out more often.
because then Oduber and/or Rudy are going to respond.
and usually their responses backfire.
especially since they are 'openly fighting' - according to Jörg.

[caesu]

Thats great news Caesu! I am very happy to see hero taking a interest in Nico Jorg and asking questions about the corruption in Aruba. If true about the Fraud that is enormous!

I think Jorg and Brinkman should do lunch 

now Brinkman has the 'stamp of approval' from Bijleveld.
such a lunch might work very well.
if Jörg, Brinkman and Bijleveld are all on the same page.

no other politician can't anymore ignore it when Brinkman tries to get the corruption on the agenda.

also when i read the comments in the newspapers.
i hardly find anyone disagreeing with Brinkman.
so that might be the reason why Bijleveld is forced to take Brinkman serious now, if she doesn't want to de ridiculed herself
(other political parties used to ridicule PVV / Brinkman).

(there was another female minister a few weeks ago, she almost started crying on TV when a journalist asked her reasonable questions - Bijleveld doesn't want that happen to her too)
http://www.geenstijl.tv/2008/04/rutger_en_de_mediastilte_van_e.html (in dutch, but last few minutes are silent anyway)

[Silverfox]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 

There has been a rumor for many months now that Joran has a weakness for coffee -- especially after a heavy night of partying...

Because of this vital intel a smart group of SM monkeys developed this secret weapon .... which caused his coffee craving to be quite addictive in its own right -- even better than XTC... !!!

We are going to give everyone here a chance to see how this weapon works ...

Click here and follow the instructions completely...

Then the truth will be revealed to all ...

http://tinyurl.com/546l8

Now you know the real truth why Joran loves his coffee soooo much... 

 

[texasmom]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 

There has been a rumor for many months now that Joran has a weakness for coffee -- especially after a heavy night of partying...

Because of this vital intel a smart group of SM monkeys developed this secret weapon .... which caused his coffee craving to be quite addictive in its own right -- even better than XTC... !!!

We are going to give everyone here a chance to see how this weapon works ...

Click here and follow the instructions completely...

Then the truth will be revealed to all ...

http://tinyurl.com/546l8

Now you know the real truth why Joran loves his coffee soooo much... 

 

     
Great find Silverfox!

[texasmom]

another fare-well interview with Jörg.
this time over the salaries for the OM officials (especially prosecutors).

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_43863.php

in short he says it doesn't make sense that Oduber doesn't want prosecutors to earn less than he does.
(this is all related to PG Fernandez-Croes who is still sitting at home waiting to get her pension agreed on).

Jörg also said that Oduber and Rudy Croes are openly fighting with eachother.
(i believe Croes doesn't mind if the prosecutors earn more, few weeks ago they were contradicting eachother in Amigoe articles in noticed).

i really hope Jörg is going to speak out more often.
because then Oduber and/or Rudy are going to respond.
and usually their responses backfire.
especially since they are 'openly fighting' - according to Jörg.

Thanks for all the great info Caesu!  You're awesome!   

[Buckeye]

For those working on a possible Florida Connection.  Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Jonathan45

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject:
   
" Rockin' Royalty" a 'psycho' play launched by Sharky Joran & CokeDog Patrick


Guido W, Hiram V. Paulus VDS and ofcourse Wetboy Daury.

to be continued ?

Please call Rockin' at the Lynn University in Boca Raton in South Florida.

 

[Pita]

For those working on a possible Florida Connection.  Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Jonathan45

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject:
   
" Rockin' Royalty" a 'psycho' play launched by Sharky Joran & CokeDog Patrick


Guido W, Hiram V. Paulus VDS and ofcourse Wetboy Daury.

to be continued ?

Please call Rockin' at the Lynn University in Boca Raton in South Florida.

 

Rockin' Royalty is also the name of Hiram Vrolijk's blog.

http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html

[Buckeye]

For those working on a possible Florida Connection.  Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Jonathan45

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject:
   
" Rockin' Royalty" a 'psycho' play launched by Sharky Joran & CokeDog Patrick


Guido W, Hiram V. Paulus VDS and ofcourse Wetboy Daury.

to be continued ?

Please call Rockin' at the Lynn University in Boca Raton in South Florida.

 

Rockin' Royalty is also the name of Hiram Vrolijk's blog.

http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html

Thanks Pita

I knew the name was familiar.

[Pita]

For those working on a possible Florida Connection.  Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Jonathan45

   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject:
   
" Rockin' Royalty" a 'psycho' play launched by Sharky Joran & CokeDog Patrick


Guido W, Hiram V. Paulus VDS and ofcourse Wetboy Daury.

to be continued ?

Please call Rockin' at the Lynn University in Boca Raton in South Florida.

 

Rockin' Royalty is also the name of Hiram Vrolijk's blog.

http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html

Thanks Pita

I knew the name was familiar.

You're welcome!   

[WhiskeyGirl]

Diario Aruba Editorial Cartoon for today -



Can anyone explain this?

This "Jossy" has been in quite a few cartoons lately.  Is this Jossy Mansur?

It looks like a giant Excremental/Golgothan.

The Papi translator doesn't give me a clue...

[WhiskeyGirl]

Just to clarify...

"It" is the thing carrying the box, not Jossy.

[johan555]

this is the Engh in den Dolder !

Den Engh

Den Engh is a partly closed, partly decided for youngsters to educate and treat seriously behaviorally and / or criminal youth.
The boys are between 12 and 23 years and operate on low brain level (IQ between 60 and 85). They are often jammed within the education and / or unemployed and their future is extremely worrying.

The bringing up and deal with Den Engh focuses on problem behaviour, but also on housing and living, training and work. In addition, there is emphasis on income and dealing with money, friends and leisure activities, alcohol and drugs, thinking, skills, behaviour and attitude.
This is done through a tailored education and training, participation in Workwise (a program for arbeidstoeleiding) and - where needed - individual behandelvormen (therapy) to be deployed. Also, recognition was given to psycho-education regarding ao sexuality, drugs and alcohol.

[WhiskeyGirl]

All this prostitution stuff reminds me of a few other scams.

Addict someone to drugs, gambling, or something as simple as dance lessons.  Promise them a better life, glitz, the spotlight, fame, fortune, fine clothes, cars, and the 'easy' road to riches.  Let them run up a hugh debt.

Time to pay...   Show them the easy way to pay up and continue to live the good life.

A simple plan.

Would a good parent do anything to get their kid out of such trouble?

[Blonde]

Here ya go Lisa..Posted recently by Blonde..

Natalee Holloway Update: Missing Shoe
I've been informed that at a press conference today investigators have asked anyone that may have information as regards a sneaker - K-SWISS (White and Blue) size 14 possibly seen or found near the Marriott or the Fisherman's Hut area to please contact the Police.
Earlier reports have suggested that a search at the home of Joran Va der Sloot turned up a shoe which may have been covered with mud, or muck. The shoe had no match. The last bit of information hasn't been independently confirmed.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_91.htm


On 12-6 BETH told “FoxNews” that early in the investigation, the family was told by the ARUBAN police investigators that blood was found inside a 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, tennis shoe that is predominantly white with some blue trim that belongs to Principal Suspect J. SLOOT that was taken into evidence (the other 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14 tennis shoe has--according to the ARUBAN police authorities--has never been found). The ARUBAN police investigators told the family that the found blood inside the tennis shoe taken into evidence would be forensically tested, but, to date, BETH said she does not recall for sure if the ARUBAN police investigators have ever reported about the results of any blood tests, nor have the DUTCH nor the ARUBANS even said if the blood tests have ever been completed on the shoe.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

more on the missing shoe (s):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8798488/

SCARBOROUGH: Explain to us about Joran van der Sloot‘s shoes and how that actually is now a part of this investigation.

KOSINSKI: Police have been pretty tightlipped about this. There have been rumors about them looking for a shoe in various places. Today, we know from police they‘re actually looking for a pair of sneakers, K-Swiss blue and white striped sneaker. We even know the size, size 14. So, they put out some detail there.

We know that, when they drained that field and pond, we‘d been told that they were looking for something like that, some evidence. They won‘t go so far as to tell us that they think these were lost on the night Natalee disappeared. But obviously they see them as having some potential evidentiary value because they‘ve been looking for them, they tell us, along beaches, other locations on this island. And they want those sneakers found.

Swiss blue and white striped sneaker

[wreck]

All this prostitution stuff reminds me of a few other scams.

Addict someone to drugs, gambling, or something as simple as dance lessons.  Promise them a better life, glitz, the spotlight, fame, fortune, fine clothes, cars, and the 'easy' road to riches.  Let them run up a hugh debt.

Time to pay...   Show them the easy way to pay up and continue to live the good life.

A simple plan.

Would a good parent do anything to get their kid out of such trouble?

It was probably Anita that recommended gay prostitutuion to the delicious sporter.