Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #81

[can]

Discrediting Jesse Grund is an attempt to keep the deep dark secret of incest away from Cindy. She tries very hard to cover the skeltons in her closet.

Jesse knows who the baby daddy is. He was smart enough to have a DNA test done, that means he got a copy of the results. His love and respect for someone he really cared about will bring the truth forward. He really cared for Caylee as his own and he had some strong feelings for Casey who he says is not the same person now.

I disagree. The DNA tests Jesse had done were only to determine if HE was the father... they would not necessarily name the bio dad, unless they had DNA of possible donors to compare with Caylee's. And even if those tests did reveal who the father was.... Jesse would not be given that information. It would be a separate report. I think I am correct on this, but I could be wrong.

Good morning TxLady2 - I agree with you in thinking that Jesse would learn only that he was NOT the father.  Think giving information of bio father would be a breach of confidentiality.

[OriginalKat]

A private service for Caylee would not take long at all to plan since it would probably be mostly for family/friends which with the way the A's have handled things might not be too many people. 
Second autopsy shouldn't take too long either.

I think everyone is right on here that possibly it is for more time. We all know the family will soon be greeted by LE and escorted to jail. They wouldn't be lawyering up and asking for immunity if they hadn't done something.

[Blessed Mother]

http://www.homedna-test.com/Forms/inclusionary.pdf
here is a DNA result sample.
Other results show Y chromosome (male) figures, if those were exact to the midocondrial then it's obvious that the father is related to the mother. I would suspect since Jesse was trying to prove Y then he may have seen the Y results of Caylee.
Maybe not. But there sure is some rumors out there about incest and Cindy is protesting and Lee is refusing to give a sample.

Interesting to see that document at the link.  Thanks for the info jjay!

Mine looks a little different than that example (see my post on previous page).. it could be because the above referenced link is an example from a "home dna kit" rather than a federal approved lab which cost us $500.

Can you imagine how p*ssed Cindy and Casey were when they found out Jesse and Rev Grund wanted her to take a DNA test.

I'm sure Casey knew the jig was up, but just like her trip with detectives to Universal, she kept her lies up til the very end until confronted with the evidence. IMO Jesse knew from the beginning, or at the very least his father did because Jesse may have been naive and young. But, when Caylee was born 2 to 3mo. early (which she would have been IF she'd been pregnant by Jesse) Caylee would have been tiny tiny and needed medical assistance and had to stay in a NICU. To see a full term baby delivered after a supposed 7mo. pregnancy (she was 2mo. pregnant when she and Jesse started dating) should have been a red flag.

[TxLady2]

Good Morning... Will have to think over what Lee's lawyer had to say, does everyone involved just seem to have a lawyer, that can't keep quite? It makes no sense to me to be saying half the things these lawyers are saying, lawyers want their clients to be quiet, maybe they should listen to their own advice.

After watching that video, I would have to say that Lee's lawyer is making some sort of pre-emptive strike to put the best spin on what he is aware is coming down the pike. IF the LE are waiting to press charges, felony charges at that, until after the funeral, maybe that's why there is no hurry by the A's to have a service and bury their g'daughter. Hmmmmmmm...

Good thinking, because I have a feeling after the funeral, LE is going to make their move. Donations going into Lee's paypal account, and Casey's computer that Lee picked up from Tony's apt, which I believe Lee not only tampered with, he tampered with Casey's belongings as well. And I am sure other things LE is looking into.

We'll see if my theory about timing of the funeral holds any water once the holidays are over. Both LE and the A's have an excuse to put as much of this on hold until after the first of the year as possible. They have common interest in letting this time pass without any action, but come the first of Jan., LE will want to return to work, get this sewed up, ready for court, etc. The A's, on the other hand, will want to continue to drag things out as long as possible. Then we'll see if the A's try to procrastinate on having services for Caylee and trying to make LE look bad by making them appear to be disrupting the A's grieving, etc.

I can wait until the first of the year. But come on, how long does it take to plan a funeral for a baby? It didn't take this long to bury the Pope. Is it cause they want to do another autopsy? I thought Baez wanted x-rays and the report. Give him those documents, bury poor Caylee, arrest the Anthonys.

I don't think it would make LE look bad if they disrupt the Anthonys. I believe it would make them look GREAT.

Does anyone know when Sheriff Beary leaves office? That may give us a timeframe of the arrest. Just saying 

"But come on, how long does it take to plan a funeral for a baby? It didn't take this long to bury the Pope."

Remember the A's sudden desire to hold not just a private funeral, but also to hold a public service? I knew when that came out, it was not the A's idea. That was straight from the PR people. And how long does it take to plan a funeral for a baby? A l-o-n-g  L-O-N-G time if the A's get their way. I think the PR people will think they are setting a trap for LE, but I would bet you that public opinion will be just what it is here - LE will get Brownie points for handling the A's like they are any Joe Blows and not giving them special attention.

It is possible that the A's wanted to wait until after the Christmas holidays to have the memorial. I'm sure they didn't do a lot of celebrating Christmas.... but I would not want my granddaughter's funeral on the day before or after.... that is just too sad.
I've lost some family members close to holidays, and it forever darkens that particular day for me, as I am sure that it will for them.

[Blessed Mother]

Discrediting Jesse Grund is an attempt to keep the deep dark secret of incest away from Cindy. She tries very hard to cover the skeltons in her closet.

Jesse knows who the baby daddy is. He was smart enough to have a DNA test done, that means he got a copy of the results. His love and respect for someone he really cared about will bring the truth forward. He really cared for Caylee as his own and he had some strong feelings for Casey who he says is not the same person now.

I disagree. The DNA tests Jesse had done were only to determine if HE was the father... they would not necessarily name the bio dad, unless they had DNA of possible donors to compare with Caylee's. And even if those tests did reveal who the father was.... Jesse would not be given that information. It would be a separate report. I think I am correct on this, but I could be wrong.

Good morning TxLady2 - I agree with you in thinking that Jesse would learn only that he was NOT the father.  Think giving information of bio father would be a breach of confidentiality.

The DNA test would not give the BIO dad, it would however show that Caylee and Casey's DNA would be closer than a usual mother/daughter DNA match. But, considering he has no medical background, I do not believe he would have questioned it, nor would he have known what it should or shouldn't look like.

[Blessed Mother]

Good Morning... Will have to think over what Lee's lawyer had to say, does everyone involved just seem to have a lawyer, that can't keep quite? It makes no sense to me to be saying half the things these lawyers are saying, lawyers want their clients to be quiet, maybe they should listen to their own advice.

After watching that video, I would have to say that Lee's lawyer is making some sort of pre-emptive strike to put the best spin on what he is aware is coming down the pike. IF the LE are waiting to press charges, felony charges at that, until after the funeral, maybe that's why there is no hurry by the A's to have a service and bury their g'daughter. Hmmmmmmm...

Good thinking, because I have a feeling after the funeral, LE is going to make their move. Donations going into Lee's paypal account, and Casey's computer that Lee picked up from Tony's apt, which I believe Lee not only tampered with, he tampered with Casey's belongings as well. And I am sure other things LE is looking into.

We'll see if my theory about timing of the funeral holds any water once the holidays are over. Both LE and the A's have an excuse to put as much of this on hold until after the first of the year as possible. They have common interest in letting this time pass without any action, but come the first of Jan., LE will want to return to work, get this sewed up, ready for court, etc. The A's, on the other hand, will want to continue to drag things out as long as possible. Then we'll see if the A's try to procrastinate on having services for Caylee and trying to make LE look bad by making them appear to be disrupting the A's grieving, etc.

I can wait until the first of the year. But come on, how long does it take to plan a funeral for a baby? It didn't take this long to bury the Pope. Is it cause they want to do another autopsy? I thought Baez wanted x-rays and the report. Give him those documents, bury poor Caylee, arrest the Anthonys.

I don't think it would make LE look bad if they disrupt the Anthonys. I believe it would make them look GREAT.

Does anyone know when Sheriff Beary leaves office? That may give us a timeframe of the arrest. Just saying 

"But come on, how long does it take to plan a funeral for a baby? It didn't take this long to bury the Pope."

Remember the A's sudden desire to hold not just a private funeral, but also to hold a public service? I knew when that came out, it was not the A's idea. That was straight from the PR people. And how long does it take to plan a funeral for a baby? A l-o-n-g  L-O-N-G time if the A's get their way. I think the PR people will think they are setting a trap for LE, but I would bet you that public opinion will be just what it is here - LE will get Brownie points for handling the A's like they are any Joe Blows and not giving them special attention.

It is possible that the A's wanted to wait until after the Christmas holidays to have the memorial. I'm sure they didn't do a lot of celebrating Christmas.... but I would not want my granddaughter's funeral on the day before or after.... that is just too sad.
I've lost some family members close to holidays, and it forever darkens that particular day for me, as I am sure that it will for them.

It's possible, but then again, I wouldn't want to forever remember the Christmas holiday linked to my granddaughter being in a refrigerator at the funeral home.

[OriginalKat]

I hate to think this but the donation of toys at memorial for Caylee I think is something the A's lawyer/spokesperson came up with to improve their image. The public I think has a majority of negativeness in their opinion of the A's. They backtracked the donations for burial announcement because it got negative response. Conway is working hard to make them look better in the public eye.

Conway....won't work. There are smart monkeys out there who have knowledge and open eyes.

[can]

I thought Baez wanted his forensic team to do an autopsy. 
If they receive permission they could delay until after the holidays.
If not I can see no reason why the Anthony's would delay...unless it is for their own selfish reasons.  I say, have that private funeral for Caylee, put her remains to rest.  They could have a public memorial service afterwards.

I think Bearly said he is retiring in January.  ICBW

[klaasend]

OOPS - I think it's very odd he would slip and say daughter.  It's not like Lee already has a family and children that we are aware of. (don't know why it's a blank video but if you click on it you will see the part where he says daughter)  

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZheyyeiRcB0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZheyyeiRcB0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>

[joesamas mama]

A private service for Caylee would not take long at all to plan since it would probably be mostly for family/friends which with the way the A's have handled things might not be too many people. 
Second autopsy shouldn't take too long either.

I think everyone is right on here that possibly it is for more time. We all know the family will soon be greeted by LE and escorted to jail. They wouldn't be lawyering up and asking for immunity if they hadn't done something.

I forgot about the immunity. That could be another reason LE are handling them with kid gloves.

[JodyO]

I agree LE will get Browning points for handling them like JoeBlow. Just one question I have and I will leave it at that. Did any parents/grandparents of a missing, then murdered child ever have PR people? I don't think so. So why do they need PR people? These people are nuts to think that the public has any respect left for the Anthonys.
[/quote]

The A's are so squirrely, they think they are celebrities and need PR reps to polish their public image. Like a lot of people today, they are unable to distinguish between famous and infamous. It's all the same to them - the whole world knows who they are, recognizes them, knows their name, etc., so that must be a good thing giving them importance. And NO, I don't recall the victim family of any murdered child ever requiring PR assistance, but the A's have managed to demonstrate that they are not victims by their behavior during all of this.

[Today]

I kind of feel like the second autopsy has been complete.  The remains have been cremated and laid to rest in a private ceremony over the Christmas holidays.  With reporters on short staff, this would have been an opportune time.  I think that the public memorial will be held in a location away from the burial or niche spot. 

I am not certain, but I think that LE has to bring charges when they have enough evidence that a crime has been committed.  Of course the prosecutor makes the decision on whether to prosecute.  I don't think the LE has the ability to hold off until after Casey's trial or the funeral.  Any legal eagles?

[joesamas mama]

http://www.homedna-test.com/Forms/inclusionary.pdf
here is a DNA result sample.
Other results show Y chromosome (male) figures, if those were exact to the midocondrial then it's obvious that the father is related to the mother. I would suspect since Jesse was trying to prove Y then he may have seen the Y results of Caylee.
Maybe not. But there sure is some rumors out there about incest and Cindy is protesting and Lee is refusing to give a sample.

Interesting to see that document at the link.  Thanks for the info jjay!

Mine looks a little different than that example (see my post on previous page).. it could be because the above referenced link is an example from a "home dna kit" rather than a federal approved lab which cost us $500.

Can you imagine how p*ssed Cindy and Casey were when they found out Jesse and Rev Grund wanted her to take a DNA test.

I'm sure Casey knew the jig was up, but just like her trip with detectives to Universal, she kept her lies up til the very end until confronted with the evidence. IMO Jesse knew from the beginning, or at the very least his father did because Jesse may have been naive and young. But, when Caylee was born 2 to 3mo. early (which she would have been IF she'd been pregnant by Jesse) Caylee would have been tiny tiny and needed medical assistance and had to stay in a NICU. To see a full term baby delivered after a supposed 7mo. pregnancy (she was 2mo. pregnant when she and Jesse started dating) should have been a red flag.

You are right she lies until she is backed into a corner. Good thinking.

[N2WISHN]

It's possible, but then again, I wouldn't want to forever remember the Christmas holiday linked to my granddaughter being in a refrigerator at the funeral home.


Blessed,

Good point. These are the same people that exploited their missing grandchild while she decomposing in a swamp!! Guess the thought of her little bones sitting in storage is mild compared to that.
 
 
 

[GramaMonkey]

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[JodyO]

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A feedback score of 70!!!!! Looks like whoever vader05 is has been busily beating people on eBay by either not paying for what he buys or not delivering on what he sells!

[Monkey See Monkey Don't Do]

Good Job Wyks. I have always believe Cindy was the catalyst for the murder. Whether she and Casey got into it Father's day, I truly believe she pissed Casey off so badly she killed Caylee out of revenge. Casey was a bad mom, Casey did this Casey did that, blah blah blah. Cindy egged it on and I blame her as much as I do Casey. If I were on the jury Casey would not get sympathy from me, but I can see why she did it. Cindy is a control freak and Casey was sick of being controlled.

Maybe that's why she did it, so Cindy had no control over Casey or Caylee. Sorry for the rant.

Thanks Wyks and I am reading the whole thing over. I think many of the pages didn't load last time. It's very interesting.

And Josemama, I think you're spot on that Casey was tired of being "controlled" by Cindy, but it doesn't seem to me like Cindy had much control over Casey at all. She couldn't stop her from getting pregnant, from clubbing all the time, being jobless, stealing from everyone (including and especially Cindy,) or anything else, it seems. I think Casey killed Caylee partly to make good on her promise "you'll never see Caylee again," and partly because she imagined that being childless would make her Tony's perfect mate.  When she called from jail all she wanted to do was talk to Tony, and she did seem to be blaming Cindy that she was in jail.
So it looks like she had both reasons going on. It makes perfect sense.

Thans fuzzy. I really believe that she did it to get revenge on Cindy and also so she could be with Tony who didn't want girls. BUT, what about her going to California to be with the Marine? That has always been a big question I cant seem to find an anwser.


GOOD MORNING MONKEY'S
I'm sorry BUT I have to very much disagree. Because when my mom was alive (RIP Mom I love you) We got into an agruement and I left the house with my first child and I went and spent the night at her father's house. I DIDN'T KILL HER, HURT HER, NOTHING! I truly don't feel it's fair to blame Cindy for Casey's actions. Cindy loved/loves Caylee, and that was the problem. Casey WAS/IS VERY JEALOUS OF THAT! IF, Casey wasn't the center of anyones attention? WATCH OUT. Jesse Grund even said it, Casey left him because she felt he loved Caylee more than her. That's just crazy! I have a husband, two kids aren't his and one is, and he treats his step daughters like they are his. Thats exactly what I want. Casey is pain STUPID! I have a better word BUT I tell my kids NOT to use it, So I don't use it either.. So throw things at me if you will, its JMHO....[/quote]

[Wyks]

Just to give you an idea about the science of it, here's an article about the DNA testing of the Texas cult:
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080424-dna-tests.html
It says that they can tell alot from the DNA including incest.

Cindy being a nurse would also be over protective of the child because she knows that complications are passed on in incestual children. She protests way too loudly. I wonder what will happen when she has to face the public shame.

Thanks for that info too, jjay!  It's a good read, and links off to other related good reads. 

Regarding the Texas cult, I saw a couple of 'family trees', and what was consistent with each are the number of deaths per family due to birth defects.  It appears that a number of these children were 'helped' to die.  They actually had charted each death on the family tree.  And reportedly had buried those children in a mass grave on the compound.  Seems that birth defects don't always occur in each and every birth, it's luck of the draw, so to speak. 

So it's entirely possible that IF Caylee was a product of incest, she may not have carried any 'bad genes' which could have resulted in birth defects. 

And IF incest is true for the A family, surely hope that the defense won't try going there as the reason for Caylee's death.  Just wouldn't put it past the 'dream team' to use this as a reason for what some might see as a mercy killing, due to the circumstances of birth.  Oh Lord don't let this be true. 
 

[Wyks]

Does this site cause anyone else to get a sound like a single piano note repeated every second until I log out and reboot?

Try just refreshing the page.  That works for me.  It doesn't happen all the time, but some times.  I think it has something to do with the popup ads.  Sometimes I do freeze and have to reboot.  I am a Microsoft person, so I'm not changing to Foxfire.

Once you try Foxfire, you won't go back.   

[janetruth]

Lee's ebay....info.

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A feedback score of 70!!!!! Looks like whoever vader05 is has been busily beating people on eBay by either not paying for what he buys or not delivering on what he sells!

Unless they've changed the feedback rating system, the 70 just means that he's only had 70 transactions.  The percentage is what tells the tale.  Frinstance, my score is 611, and my rating is 100% positive.