Lively Case Discussion #522 9/10 - 9/12/2006

[Anna]

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http://www.diario-aruba.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=16&pos=8

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[Spock]

Anna, I can't get that link to work for me.

[Anna]

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If you make the photo large, it appears one eye is totally swollen and there might be something red on his nose like a cut or scratch and also some red around his mouth.

I think he has been in a car wreck or a fight or something.   He couldn't look THAT bad normally could he?

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[yapperz1]

Klaas when you get back from "class" will you post the map of the driving routes again?
Have to run out to do chores    but will be back later
Have a good day everyone!!!

Spock you are right about Croes

[Leslie]

Anna:  Steve looks stoned to me.  You mentioned the Satish Suspect statement from June 11th so I re-read it and saw something I had missed before - the topic of conversation in the car enroute to C&C's.
According to Satish:
"On the way to Carlos and Charlies Joran told us that during that day in the afternoon hours he had met a few girls in the casino. Joran told us that he had helped a girl win back some of her father's money that she had lost. Joran had told us that she had lost three hundred something dollars of her father's money in the casino and that he had helped the girl win back a little over 100 dollars. Joran said that after the girl had won more than 100 dollars, he had told her that she should stop gambling. Joran said the girl had invited him to come to Carlos & Charlies. Joran did not mention the name of the girl. "

Does anyone think that Joram might have felt that this "girl" OWED him something and he was going to collect?

[Spock]

Anna, I can't get that link to work for me.

Ok, I got it to work. Second from the right looks like Croes to me.

[Anna]

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Leslie,
I thought the MB girls said that never happened about Joran winning any money back for anybody.   I think he is such a sociopath that he took this opportunity to attempt to enhance his reputation as a card player knowing Natalee was not going to be around to dispute his story.

Natalee wasn't even playing cards.  I believe Ruth was but unless I am mistaken, nothing like that happened.  I don't see them communicating in the video but if he won anything for anybody, it would have been Ruth, right?

With his mentality, I can see his trying to collect from Natalee, however.  I really don't put anything above these boys.  Not anything.

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[Anna]

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I don't even remember reading that Satish statement.    Need to print them all out and put in order in a ring binder or something.  

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[klaasend]

Yes, this is Steve.  Too bad the watermark is right in front of his face.  His eyes are looking real puffy lately, he looks terrible.  Has for the last few weeks:

[Anna]

.  Thanks, Klaas!

You have to go to work today, don't you?  We will be fine.  

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[Leslie]

I thought Ruth was the "lucky charm" girl.   I wish the statements were in chronological order also.  On second thought - Steve Croes looks like a bloated drunkard.  I wish we had the ability to edit.  
Before going to C&C's, Ruth was the lucky charm girl but afterward Joran said that Natalee was.  Why?  Did he think that would explain how they  met without him looking like the aggressor and also show what a generous guy he was?  
Who was he thinking/talking about in the car on the way to C&C's - Ruth or Natalee?

[San]

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http://www.diario-aruba.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=16&pos=8

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OMG he looks disgusting.

Does anyone think if they ever found this guy dead that they would pin the whole thing on him.  I also feel the same way for the Kalpoe brothers.

[San]

Klaas you are up really early in the morning.

Enjoy your day teaching.

[Anna]

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Leslie,
Well, I don't know but doubt he won any money for either of them but if he did, it would have been Ruth, right?  Natalee wasn't even really playing cards, just watching.  Jug said specifically Natalee did not know how to play ANY card games at all.  

I'm not sure which one he is talking about.  Maybe Spock knows as he has read this more than I have.

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[klaasend]

Klaas you are up really early in the morning.

Enjoy your day teaching.

Thanks!

[Leslie]

Any pictures of the ?? year old virgin Jerry?  Maybe Steve borrowed one of his best buds disgusting misogynistic  T-shirts and some women gave  him a knuckle sandwich.  Steve looks like he would do anything for a months supply of booze and cocaine.

[San]

I thought Ruth was the "lucky charm" girl.   I wish the statements were in chronological order also.  On second thought - Steve Croes looks like a bloated drunkard.  I wish we had the ability to edit.  
Before going to C&C's, Ruth was the lucky charm girl but afterward Joran said that Natalee was.  Why?  Did he think that would explain how they  met without him looking like the aggressor and also show what a generous guy he was?  
Who was he thinking/talking about in the car on the way to C&C's - Ruth or Natalee?

I often think of that also Leslie.  He says he was interested in another girl on Greta but was he really targeting Natalee per Paulus' instructions.  He thought that him saying Natalee said to him he was his lucky charm was going to paint a different picture of him.  We all know that was not the truth (Casino tape) because Natalee didn't even look at him or pay any attention to him.  I bet they were pretty pissed off when those videos turned up showing the sporter and his pervert father at the table.

[Anna]

[OMG he looks disgusting.

Does anyone think if they ever found this guy dead that they would pin the whole thing on him.  I also feel the same way for the Kalpoe brothers.

His right eye is just about swollen shut.  The eyelid is thick it is not just that he is blinking or holding them that way, it is the eyelid itself.  Make the photo very large if you have the IE with the zoom at the bottom.  

He is likely to be found dead at this rate for he looks much worse than even Koen.  Much!  

So yeah, if he drinks/drugs himself to death, guess who will become the guilty party pronto?  He needs some lab work done right away if all that swelling is just from booze and he has not been in a fight or something.

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[San]

Any pictures of the ?? year old virgin Jerry?  Maybe Steve borrowed one of his best buds disgusting misogynistic  T-shirts and some women gave  him a knuckle sandwich.  Steve looks like he would do anything for a months supply of booze and cocaine.

I agree that Steve is heavily into drugs.  I said this from the beginning that he was a drug dealer.  I wonder who is Steve's main drug supplier on the island.

[San]

[OMG he looks disgusting.

Does anyone think if they ever found this guy dead that they would pin the whole thing on him.  I also feel the same way for the Kalpoe brothers.

His right eye is just about swollen shut.  The eyelid is thick it is not just that he is blinking or holding them that way, it is the eyelid itself.  Make the photo very large if you have the IE with the zoom at the bottom.  

He is likely to be found dead at this rate for he looks much worse than even Koen.  Much!  

So yeah, if he drinks/drugs himself to death, guess who will become the guilty party pronto?  He needs some lab work done right away if all that swelling is just from booze and he has not been in a fight or something.

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I agree Anna.

Remember when Kimberly Guilfoyle went to the island and she went to Steve's house.  He came to the gate to answer questions.  We were all like WTF is wrong with him.  Even Kimberly didn't want him to get too close.  Everyone was saying he looked that way because he just got up.  I said to myself no way this guy is into drugs.