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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -
« Reply #176 on: January 30, 2009, 11:29:44 PM »

KLAAS ... PLEASE POST DOCUMENT HERE.  THANKS.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4460.msg653041#msg653041

THE PETER DEVRIES/PATRICK VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING  AND THE KALPOE VS. PHIL MCGRAW LAWSUIT CONNECTION

Could a new Aruban agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway be where it is at?  Could Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem be willing participants in that agenda?
 
In the video recording, Joran van der Sloot implicates only himself in regards to the happenings which encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 while, at the same time, exonerates Deepak and Satish Kalpoe as participants.

Think about it.  Joran was minor on May 30, 2005. The implication implies that legal consequences will be minimum.

Could the new Aruban agenda dictate that accountability stops and ends with Joran van der Sloot?  Aruba is fully aware, if the entire truth were exposed, the domino effect of accountability would be far reaching.  The domino effect of accountability would implicate Deepak and Satish.  The brothers, in turn, could implicate Paulus van der Sloot.  The domino effect of accountability would reach beyond those who were participants in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  It would expose those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations involved in the cover up.  It would extend to and expose those in the Judiciary who have ruled favourably on behalf of the suspects time and time again.  It would extend to and expose those involved in Aruba’s underground economy that encompasses alcohol, gambling, money laundering as well as all aspects of the sex trade.

If Deepak and Satish were exonerated on the word of  Joran van der Sloot who is a self-acknowledged liar, the revelations of those within the investigation who officially implicated the brothers in the happenings which  encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 would become non-issues.  The Kalpoes’ own inconsistent declarations which are revealed in witness/ suspect statements would become non-issues.  The court testimony as well as the public declarations of witnesses who implicated Deepak and Satish would become non-issues.

However, Aruba must be given credit … the strategy is brilliant.  The implication of only Joran and the exoneration of Deepak and Satish is a simplified means that will allow the “powers that be” to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a close; appease a grieving family; reverse negative media attention; and rake in millions from Phil McGraw through the defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

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ONLY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

JANUARY, 2009 - HANS MOS
Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

1.  WORDS OF STEVE COHEN - NON ISSUE

Steve Cohen, the spokesperson for the investigation, claimed that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Cohen did not retract his claim.  He just clarified that there was not an official record.  This would corroborate the disputed portion of the Jamie Skeeters’ recorded interview that a Phil McGraw’s spokesperson insists was not manipulated.
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Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

3.  WORDS OF GEROLD DOMPIG - NON ISSUE

Gerold Dompig’s official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation dictates that inside information was at the foundation of his words regarding his suspicion encompassing the involvement of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
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Aruban police say new tapes could spur arrests
Police official tells 'Abrams Report' about latest in the Holloway case
TRANSCRIPT
updated 6:14 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE:  DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 2nd
updated 8:26 a.m. PT, Thurs., Nov. 3, 2005

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?  

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF:  Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
updated 9:40 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 6, 2006

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

2.  WORDS OF KARIN JANSSEN AND HANS MOS - NON ISSUES

It can be assumed that there was a foundation that Karin Janssen derived from which warranted the initial arrest of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in June, 2005 as well as the second arrest in August, 2005.  Then there were the third arrests of the Kalpoe brothers in November, 2007.

Also, there must have been a foundation that the family’s attorney derived from when she implied that suspicions that a gang which included Joran, Deepak and Satish had occurred. 
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FIRST ARREST - JUNE, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody,"  the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY:  Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.

… Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html


THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007 - HANS MOS

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007

Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.  "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time,"  Mos said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


updated 1:17 p.m. EST, Fri December 7, 2007
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba jail

All three suspects, who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005, were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them. That new evidence has not been disclosed, but Mos has said it was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html


Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR:  And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

4.  THE HARD DRIVE - NONE ISSUE

According to Jamie Skeeters, the FBI was afforded possession of the hard drive that his interview with Deepak Kalpoe was recorded directly into.  Logic dictates that an analysis of the hard drive by the FBI laboratories should reveal if a manipulated tape was heard by the viewing audience of Phil McGraw.

Is this not what the single issue that is behind the Kalpoe’s lawsuit against Phil McGraw?
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005

COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes?

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005

SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 10th
updated 9:00 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 11, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  The FBI has the taped evidence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/


Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  Dr. Phil and his staff stand by the tape they aired and claim Deepak admitted — and not denied — to having sex with Natalee. A representative for the "Dr. Phil" show specifically said that the show 1) Did not manipulate the Deepak tape in any way; 2) Did not alter what Deepak said in any way and 3) That they would give us [today] the tape they worked from so that we could inspect it to verify what they were claiming …

The representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee.

We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


'The Abrams Report' for Oct. 7th
updated 6:07 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 9, 2005

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape ...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

5.  INCONSISTENT WITNESS/SUSPECT STATEMENTS - NON ISSUES

"No man has a good enough memory to make a successfull liar." Abraham Lincoln

Why were inconsistencies between each of  Deepak Kalpoe’s witness/ suspect statement regarding his departure from Carlos 'N Charlies on the morning of May 30, 2005 not challenged by interrogators?

1. Did or did not Natalee introduce herself?
2. Did or did not Deepak use his cell phone?
3. Did or did not Deepak wait outside his vehicle?
4. Did or did not Deepak wait inside his vehicle?
5. Did or did not Satish have the keys to Deepak‘s vehicle?
6. Did or did not Satish return to the vehicle ahead of Joran and Natalee?

It is said that lies are created to cover the truth. What truth was Deepak attempting to cover?
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Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

I continued to walk around in Carlos & Charlies in search of my brother and Joran but I could not find them. I knew for certain that my brother and Joran were not in Carlos & Charlies at that moment because I had looked around the whole place. At that time it was 01.00 and everyone started leaving.

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 01.05, I walked to my car to wait for Joran and my brother. Around 01.12 Satish and Joran came to my car. My brother sat beside me in the car and then in the mirror, I saw that Joran and the blonde girl that had been dancing on the stage, sat in the back seat. I greeted the girl in English and she greeted me in English. The girl did not introduce herself.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When I turned around Satish and Joran were nowhere to be seen. They hadn't even told that they were leaving. I looked for them for a short while, but hadn't found them. I was in the bathroom for a little while. I have no patience to look. After the bathroom I looked around somewhat. I walked past the bar, past the glass section where the "Carlos & Charlies" souvenirs of "Carlos & Charlie" are sold to the outside. When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I had turned around and talked to my friend. After a while I turned around and noticed that Satish, Joran and the girl Natalee were not there any more where I had last seen them stand. I then searched for them in the club but without result. Then I went to look near the bathrooms. I also didn't find them there, I then used the bathroom myself. . After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.

THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

6.  FREDDY KNOWS! - NON ISSUE

Deepak Kalpoe is of the opinion that Joran van der Sloot revealed the truth pertaining the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 to Freddy Arambatzis.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.

THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

7.  OBSTRUCTION OF A NON-EXISTENT INVESTIGATION - NON ISSUE

In his own words Deepak Kalpoe claims that on the morning of May 30, 2005 he was attempting to obstruct an anticipated investigation into the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen by implying sexual activity had been involved.  At this point in time, Natalee had yet to be discovered missing by her Mountain Brook friends.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

8.  JORAN DID IT! - NON-ISSUE

It could be assumed that the words of Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot heard in a secret police audio recording imply that they BOTH know exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway.
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Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN)

J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit …

D says to J: They’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/translation-of-natalee-holloway-case.html

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

9.  DEEPAK PANICKED!! - NON ISSUE

If Joran van der Sloot’s words in the Peter Devries / Patrick van der Eem video recording exonerates Deepak and Satish Kalpoe from implication in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005, the court testimony of Carlos Ramos’ observation and identification of Deepak Kalpoe can be disregarded.
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Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005

I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

10.  TIME FRAME INCONSISTENCIES - NON ISSUES

Deepak Kalpoe declareed in his Suspect Statement that he and Satish returned home at 2:20 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Satish Kalpoe declared in his Suspect Statement that it was prior to 2:00 AM when he and Deepak returned home on the morning of May 30, 2005.

However, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe’s mother, Nadira Ramirez, claimed on the Dr. Phil show that her sons returned home at approximately 3:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005

The Gardener states in his court testimony that he observed Deepak in his vehicle parked near the Racquet Ball Club across the street from the Marriiott Beach at 2:30 AM.

It appears that Nadira Ramirez’s words to Dr. Phil and the Gardener’s court testimony concur in regards to timeframes.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand. I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house ...

To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

At Joran's request my brother turned right and drove into the street just north of the Marriot Hotel. My brother continued driving up the street until Joran said that he should stop the car. My brother then brought the car to a full stop. My brother asked Joran how he was going to get home. Joran answered that he would find a way to get home. My brother asked Joran if he was sure he would find another way to get home. Joran said that he was sure that he would find a way to get home. At that moment it was approximately 01.45 hours on May 30th 2005. The girl and Joran then got out of the car. Joran and the girl walked towards the beach. Joran and the girl had put their arms around each other while they walked. To your question whether the girl had been drunk and how the girl was walking I can say the following. The girl was at that time well with it and was walking fine too. After we had driven out of this street I asked my brother to slow down and I had thrown the "Yard' cup out of the car on the right side of the road. After that we drove towards our house.


Nadira Ramirez
Dr. Phil Show
September 15, 2005

Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil's investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish's mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she'd said from being aired on Dr. Phil …

"What time do you think they got in?"

"I assess that it was not four in the morning,” she says. "It's, like, before three or maybe three o'clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my room door always open when they step out, so when they come they just close my door. And that's the sign that they are home."  

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

11.  THE OBSERVATION OF THE JOGGER - NON ISSUE

The mysterious jogging witness collaborates the court testimony of the gardener.  Why did the jogger not come forward? I do believe that Dave Holloway may have answered the question in August, 2005 when he was a guest on Hannity & Colmes.

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NANCY GRACE
Can Aruban Prosecutors Keep Joran Van Der Sloot in Jail?
Aired August 23, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: ... Also, the jogger, the latest witness that police are talking about -- this is supposedly the man who called police from a public phone several days after Natalee Holloway disappeared, saying that he saw the car with the Kalpoe brothers and Joran by the racquet club the night that she disappeared. Police are still looking for him. They`re not able to find him because the man, again, called from a public phone and did not leave his name -- Nancy.

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  You know, that was a question we had last night, Jossy, as to why the Aruban police could not trace that phone call from a jogger, a jogger escaping the heat on the island of Aruba the night Natalee went missing. That`s the apparent explanation of why he was out jogging at that time of the night. Jossy, if this is true and he called from a public phone, true, police cannot trace who he is, but it would also give credence. Was that public phone near where Natalee Holloway disappeared?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That`s what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don`t know whether the police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.

GRACE: Well, they already know it`s from a public phone. They know where it was …

Jossy, I want to get everything I can from you that you know about this jogger. Could you just tell me, what night is it the jogger calls police about what he saw?

MANSUR: I think it was two or three nights after Natalee disappeared. I don`t know. I don`t have any of the answers to that. I don`t know any of the facts involved. I know that the police have put out a call for him. They`ve requested us to publish it, where we did publish a request for this man to come forward. And they`ve been on the radio and everywhere else, asking for this jogger to show up, to give his testimony

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html


Midnight Jogger Bulletin
DIARIO Aruba
8/22/2005

Police got an anonymous tip from a person who regularly jogs very early in the morning hours, in the area of Rooi Santo and the Aruba Racquet Club.

This person is male and now his information is considered very valuable to Police.

The Police requests that the jogger get in contact with the Police spokesperson, Papito Comencia by telephone at 583-3483 or 582-4000

As of yesterday, this person has not reacted to the request. DIARIO doesn't know if there was someone there to answer the phone. An American journalist tried calling live, but one of the numbers was a fax machine and the other, no one answered.

It is known that this person (witness) possibly saw a very suspicionsly parked vehicle in the early morning hours. This would corroborate the other witness who said that he saw this vehicle, with the suspects Deepak, Satish and Joran.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 8/22/2005 10:08:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_08_21_archive.html


Fox Hannity & Colmes, Aug 9th with Dave Holloway

COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

12.  A MEETING TO CREATE AN ALIBI - NON ISSUE

Deepak Kalpoe related to one of the security guards while they were both detained in the same period of time in June, 2005 that he was a participant along with Paulus van der Sloot and others in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn fabrication.  Considering the Holiday Inn fabrication was conveyed to Jug and Beth Twitty in the early hours of May 31, 2005, the meeting Deepak had with Paulus and others must taken place on May 30, 2005. 
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Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005

MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

13.  EARLY MORNING VEHICLE CLEANING - NON ISSUE

In the early morning of May 30, 2005, the Kalpoes were observed by neighbours cleaning Deepak’s vehicle.  The reason?
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NEW YORK LAWSUIT
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.

40. In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

14.   THE HOLIDAY INN FABRICATION - NON ISSUE

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.

The underlying message that is heard loud and clear in the Holiday Inn fabrication is that Deepak and Satish knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased. Logic dictates that the collaborated fabrication would not allow for the chance that the eighteen years old American citizen would turn up and expose the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot as liars who were despicably obstructing an investigation and disregarding the anguish that an American family was experiencing..
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Joran answered to phone and signalled me to turn the volume down of the music. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police was at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “what is up with this/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.  … Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes. After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.  

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

15.  THE OBSERVATION OF THE HANDLERS - NON ISSUE

Thirty minutes prior Jug and Beth Twitty’s arrival at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005, Deepak Kalpoe’s was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound by the handlers who had met them at the airport upon arriving on the Island.

Deepak’s account of the events encompassing his time at the Radisson was all a lie.  When it is considered that lies are created to cover the truth. What truth was Deepak attempting to hide?
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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like. This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes. Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was. A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described. They wrote down the license plate number and the address. On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Case Number: BC3 63401

Name: Holloway Group and MR Stamper
Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
Description: witness statement

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leave. Jug gets out and goes to the front  with the officers. The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46
We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out, and literally run through the police officers and Paulus to be the first one in the casino.  Frantically I look left and right and left again, asking the pit bosses if they have seen Joran.  I run straight to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the the front.  There is no sign of him.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotel. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

At about 02:15 (3:15?) hours, we, that is Andre and me said to Joran that this wasn't fun anymore/we weren't having fun anymore and that he should cash in his chips so that we could leave. Joran was in agreement and went to cash in his chips. After this Joran exited the poker room and went to the bathroom. When he was done the four of us went into the casino and stood there. We had been talking about the tourist that had been looking for trouble. Because all of the blackjack tables in the casino were full, Joran and I decided to go to the Wyndham Casino. Guido had said that he was going home and that he would drop off Andre at his place. Joran and me walked to my car that was parked on the parking lot. We got into the car and we drove to the Wyndham Hotel.

When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul. So I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered to phone and signalled me to turn the volume down of the music. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

16.  THE EARLY MORNING MEETING AT BUBALI - NON ISSUE

Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005?  It was less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and following the trip to the Holiday Inn.  It was less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his Suspect Statement that he drove directly home from the VDS residence following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering. There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet, Satish's words in his Suspect Statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential Natalee Holloway related DNA evidence dictated impounding? Was Deepak driven home by Aruban police?
_________

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59

Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp. One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back. It's definitely his. I spent a lot of time staring at it last night. The tag The details. Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myself for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station. And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish ...

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today. He won't take our statements today. What? I don't understand. Did the young men give theirs? We never see them, but Deepak's car is still outside. Are they upstairs in the loft area? Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005
 
How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...

Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...

After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

17.  DECLARATION -DEEPAK RAPED AND MURDERED NATALEE - NON-ISSUE

In a declaration dated June 13, 2005, Joran van der Sloot implied that DEEPAK could have raped, murdered and buried Natalee Holloway.
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On the Record w/ Greta
Free and Clear?
Wednesday, August 24, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY:  Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.

It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html


5.02.2006
Leaked report shows that
Joran declared that Deepak Kalpoe raped and killed Natalee
DIARIO Aruba
05/02/2006

Today, this publication has reproduced a copy of the leaked report (dated June 13, 2005), and in this report readers themselves can read how a policeman declared that he spoke informally with Joran; this was not in an official interrogation.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


Proces-verbaal findings

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”

To my question where the girl was buried, he answered: “I think that she was buried next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, the rest I would not know.”

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.

J. van der STRATEN

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/janvds.htm

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

18.  FBI ASSISTANCE RESISTED - NON ISSUE

Why would Deepak and Satish Kalpoe resist FBI assistance in the Aruban investigation if participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 was was limited to dropping Joran Van Sloot and Natalee Holloway off at the beach?
__________
 
PRIVIELEGE LOG TXT FORMAT PDF PAGE 119 - 144

Name/Title: Complaint by Satish Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5 August 2005
File #: p-2005/03533
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Aruban Court
Responsive to Request 32

Name/Title: Complaint By Deepak Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5t August 2005
File #: p-2005103532
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator.. Aruban Court (Gerecht In Eerste Aanleg)

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

19.  A SWORD AND A SHIELD - NON ISSUE

Could it be that Joran’s van der Sloot’s video recording exonerating Deepak and Satish’s participation in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 provide the brothers’ attorney a LEGAL avenue that will allow him to withhold incriminating document in the lawsuit again Phil McGraw.
__________
 
Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

20.  DEEPAK DEFAMES NATALEE'S CHARACTER - NON ISSUE

It is ironic that Deepak Kalpoe is suing Phil McGraw for defamation of character when his words in the Jamie Skeeter interview are considered.
_________

Jamie Skeeter/Deepak Kalpoe Interview

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too.”

“Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes."

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg6script.htm

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

21. UNSUSPECTING TOURISTS - NON ISSUE

Think about it.  Why would American girls consent to having sex with Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe in the same room?  Logic dictates drugs and/or alcohol were part of an overall plan.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.


'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST:  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

22.

1.  Has the American judge who refused in February, 2008 to dismiss the defamation suit by the Kalpoes read a report of the FBI analyst of the Jamie Skeepters' hard drive?  What evidence to the Kalpoes attorneys present to the American judge in their motion to have the case dismissed?

2.  If Phil McGraw's position is that his tape of the Jamie Skeeters/Deepak Kalpoe interview was not manipulated in a manner that deceptively implicated Deepak or Satish in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005, why are official documents pertaining to the Aruban investigation being requested.  Should the hard drive not stand alone?

3.  Joran van der Sloot exoneration of the Kalpoe brothers should have no baring on the defamation lawsuit outcome.  The issue is the revealed truth in regards to Deepak's words which were recorded on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

4.  If John Q. Kelly believe that there were legal jurisdiction grounds that would allow the parents of Natalee Holloway to sue the Kalpoe brothers, why did the American judge ruled to the contrary.

Somehow, I believe that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are going to prevail.  The writing appears to be on the wall.

Janet

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Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―  

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

(© 2009 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

Hey Janet,
I appreciate all of your hard work.  You have done a good job.
I don't know where to find it, but the last real long statement
from the Kalpoe/McGraw lawsuit, maybe the last quarter of 2008,
had a sworn deposition from Larry Garrison included in it.
In that statement Garrison swore that he had talked with Deepak
about writing a book, and Deepak had told him that they all had
sex with Natalee.  I think that is a very important statement.

Well done Janet.

Didn't Judge Smid state the Kalpoes were involved in "body disposal", but he still let them go free.

“a shield against disclosing information when the disclosure might have helped the defense, and as a sword against the defense when disclosure might serve his clients’ and the prosecutors’ tactical interests.”
(Alan Deshowitz brief in the Claus von Bulow trial)

Thank you Kermit.  Although I did not have to research the contents of this document to great degree as I already had the info saved ... the compilation did take both my DIL and myself a lot of time.  The time spent by DIL was a sacrifice.  Life outside the computer room demands most of her time.

Anyways ... the format of the final document did differ somewhat from what I posted but ... the drift was the same.

Ribbit.

Janet

Kermit ... it is my understand that "disposal of a body" was never a suspicion that deemed the detentions of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Janet

++++++


FIRST ARREST - JUNE, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


SECOND ARREST - AUGUST, 2005 - KARIN JANSSEN

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


THIRD ARREST - NOVEMBER, 2007 - HANS MOS

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007

Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html

Janet,
I took screenshots of the pages I thought would help here.  They are taken from a pdf document titled KaySkeeters112408.  If you want to get the information you need and then have Klaas or one of the mods remove this post, that's fine with me.

TM

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Thank you texasmom

Could have please have the link to this disposition.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.320

Posted by Klaasend

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #332 on: November 27, 2008, 03:16:36 PM » 

 
 

Klaas ... thank you for moving this thread from the Monkey Lounge.

Janet

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks texasmom

Janet

Janet,
You and your daughter-in-law have done excellent work. I'm not sure if this is anything worth an addendum or not, however in my mind it says even a Judge is aware of some evidence that is convincing enough that the Kalpoe brothers were involved in a crime. The fact that they have not been charged points more towards the cover-up in place as your document covers.



The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html

This part of the statement "or of the disposing of a corpse,"
lends to the evidence that the prosecutor has and the judge has seen indicates that they are aware of something that says the  Kalpoe brothers were involved in getting rid of Natalee's body and/or covering up. In other words, they have knowledge and there is some kind of evidence to prove that. Yet the Aruba Prosecutors and Judges do nothing.

I swear Magnolia has an incredible memory.
I remember Larry Garrison talking about a book deal with Joran and also Skeeters mentions in the tape with Deepak who wanted to get a book deal.

Janet -

Beautifully organized, as usual!  Thank you for your hard work, it's good to have all this documentation of the Kalpoe's involvement together in one place.

As I started reading your thoughts regarding the DeVries hidden-camera confession, I was reminded of doubts I had a year ago which I've never resolved. 

The quotes and statements you have included here from Mos, etc. regarding the important "new" evidence they had in November 2007 for the re-arrests, in hindsight, shines a spotlight on the hinkiness of that entire ordeal.  (10 lawyers around a table, indeed.)

Thanks Kermit.

Janet

THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

24.  ACCORDING TO GEROLD DOMPIG TAPE


The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston

December 2nd, 2006

42:00

MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment.  According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact.

<snipped>

I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape.  Which would be 8 years imprisonment.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/


The LineUp 12-03-06

Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:

Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.

Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.

Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.

Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.

Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?

Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.

Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?

Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.

Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?

Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.

Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?

Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.

Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?

Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.

Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?

Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.

Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?

Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.

Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.

http://www.katablog.com/day_blogs.cfm?d=4&m=12&y=2006


VIDEO - GEROLD DOMPIG

Lineup with Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo

Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-suing-dr-phil-for-defamation-doesnt-one-have-to-first-have-character/

THE PHIL MCGRAW DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

I somehow think that the Skeeter tape may have been manipulated ... not edited.

Considering ... the disputed segment of the taped Skeeters' interview is at the foundation of the defamation lawsuit ... why would Phil McGraw's attorneys not just get a forensic report of the hard drive from the FBI.  If the tape is deemed not to have been manipulated to imply Deepak said something he did not ... then the Kalpoes loose.

I cannot comprehend why all the Aruban documents from the Natalee Holloway case file related to the Kalpoes are being requested.  This implies to me that Phil McGraw's attorney are attempting to find something else besides the Skeeters' tape that proves that the Kalpoes were not defamed.

The following words from the proscutors office as well the words of the spokesperson for the investigation indicate to me that Phil McGraw never defamed the Kalpoes.

Janet

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STATEMENT - THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

CNN - August 27, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html

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THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE INVESTIGATION

Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

.
CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …

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Satish Kalpoe ... in his own words ... attests that he know that something was not right in regards to Natalee Holloway prior to returning home on the morning of May 30, 2005.
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Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

When we got home I went to sleep right away. I don´t know what my brother went to do. In the morning, at 6.30 a.m. my mother woke me up so I had to go to school. I told her I would not have classes that early and that my classes would start at 11.00 a.m.

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.  He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach. That day Joran did not tell my brother exactly when had happened on the beach.

It is implied that Satish and Deepak both stuck to their story ... the story that Joran and Natalee were dropped off at the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 and they drove home ... the story that neither returned to the beach to pick up Joran.

Satish Kalpoe ... in his own words ... states that Deepak shared that he returned to the beach area and picked up Joran.
________

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

When we got home I went to sleep right away. I don´t know what my brother went to do. In the morning, at 6.30 a.m. my mother woke me up so I had to go to school. I told her I would not have classes that early and that my classes would start at 11.00 a.m.

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.  He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach. That day Joran did not tell my brother exactly when had happened on the beach.

A story that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 by Deepak and Satish following a drive is not about to net Deepak $250,000 in either a book or movie deal.  Logic dictates the full story this Kalpoe brother withheld from authorities.

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 1, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Oh, you know, Rita, not only hearing that, but I actually saw it come across someone's Blackberry, a reporter, where Deepak was saying that he wanted $250,000 in a book or a movie deal. You know, and I had to see it, like I said, come across a reporter's Blackberry. Deepak's been reaching out to various reporters in the United States since early on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

FREDDY KNOWS!!

Freddy Armbatzis declares in his June 12, 2005 witness statement that Joran shared with him on May 31, 2005 that the last time he was with Natalee Holloway she "did not regain consciousness" ... she "did not regain consciousness" while in the presence of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

It should be noted that in none of Joran van der Sloot's statement did he declare what Freddy claims.  It should be noted that in none of Deepak and Satish's statements did they declare what Freddy claims.
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Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.

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.Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401
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Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

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Van der Sloot, Joran; Zvezdana Vukojevic (2007) (in Dutch). De zaak Natalee Holloway: mijn eigen verhaal over haar verdwijning op Aruba. Amsterdam: Sijthoff. ISBN 9789021800141. OCLC 150235828.
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Freddy Arambatzis - Witness Statement - June 12, 2005
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I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and myself are both really into sports and that is how we became good friends.

(THE LIE?)

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)


(THE TRUTH?)

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. On the evening of June the third, I met Joran at his house. (....) He told met that during this period, he could not remember if they had bought something to eat or did anything else.

Translation Credit: Rammstein

According to Arlene Ellis-Schipper ... an Aruban attorney ... the investigation spokesperson ... under Dutch Law the family of the main suspect is given a free pass to obstruction the investigation.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY NEVER STOOD A CHANCE!!

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KARIN JANSSEN - ARUBAN PROSECUTOR

'The Abrams Report' - June 30, 2005

CAREN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR IN ARUBA: The father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice, but I think the advices was going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/

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ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER - ARUBAN ATTORNEY

‘The Abrams Report’ - July 1, 2005.

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT - FATHER OF MAIN SUSPECT

Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. After that he came back one time and and he spoke with Joran's lawyer, his parents, me and my wife were also present. My wife and myself were very crushed/saddened/injured and angry at Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran about this.  According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth.

IF the Phil McGraw tape was deceptively manipulated ... the McGraw attorneys would be planning the defence from the get go ... the defence to prove that Deepak was not defamed by the deceptively manipulated tape ... the defence that Deepak had previously defamed himself ... the defence that others withn the investigation had defamed him.

If the Phil McGraw tape was deceptively altered and Deepak appeared to be defamed ... THEN I can understand why McGraw's attorneys are requesting documentation to prove that Deepak was not defamed ... documentation that proved Deepak had previously defamed himself ... documentation that proved that the spokesman for the investigation had defamed Deepak in the past and ... documentation that proves that the Prosecutor of the case had defamed Deepak in the past.

However ... if the Phil McGraw tape was not deceptively altered ... then the words within should concur when compared with the audio recording from Skeeters' hard drive and ... therefore case documents are not required.

Considering Phil McGraw's attorneys are requesting case documents causes me to speculate that the McGraw tape was deceptively altered.

IMO

Roger from SCRUX kept flip flopping on the origins of the tape of the Deepak/Skeeter's interview he came in position of.

I am not sure if the links are still valid.

When all is said and done ... it is the comparison of the Phil McGraw taped audio recording that his TV view audience were privy to and ... Skeeters' hard drive audio recording ... that will affirm whether or not any deceptive manipulation occured on the part of McGraw ... that will affirm if Deepak has a basis for his defamation lawsuit..

Janet

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1.  ORIGINAL CLAIM

Roger - January, 2006

"This is the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences."

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This is the exact original as tested by the NFI ...


2.  REVISED CLAIM

Roger - January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

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Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118

 
3.  REVISED, REVISED CLAIM

Roger - February, 2006

While this must be regarded as unsubstantiated information, it appears to be the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences. However, we must say that we have not had the version we are hosting tested. We think that it is real. However, no one can know for sure, unless we are able to have a professional, forensic, audiology laboratory check the recording to see if this version has been altered. I have not had such a test conducted, but I would welcome just such an evaluation

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated) ...

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm

 
4.  REVISED REVISED, REVISED CLAIM

Roger -February, 2006

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated). The whole file is so large that it is impractical to put up on the net, but I divided it into manageable segments. Each one is ten minutes. After the first, each subsequent segment also includes about 30 seconds of over lap (the last 30 seconds of the previous one is included on each segment) for continuity.

There has been no further encoding (as is done to make videos web presentable). This is the exact original which Aruba and subsequently, the NFI, tested and reported as being unaltered (not manipulated).

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm

If the Kalpoes are put in a position of being required to testify under oath in regards to anything that would incriminate them or Aruba ... they will both just drop the lawsuit.

However ... considering their backers are unknown and ... the Kalpoes are adults without means ...  Phil McGraw's attorneys are going to receive zilch in a frivolous lawsuit claim.

If the defamation lawsuit is dropped ... the financial backers will pay the Kalpoes' attorney fees and other costs Deepak and Satish may have occurred.  The Kalpoes may receive an already negotiated settlement from the financial backers for their participation.

It is the financial backers of the defamation lawsuit who will reap any monies awarded through an anticipated negotiated settlement with Phil McGraw.

IMO

I know the following transcript negates my theory but ... something is not right when it is considered that Skeeters' hard drive and the disputed segment of McGraw's tape cannot stand alone in this defamation lawsuit.

Janet

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'The Abrams Report' - December 1, 2005

DAN ABRAMS, HOST:  Coming up, the Aruban government now claims that a crucial piece of videotape evidence in the Natalee Holloway investigation has been doctored and that one of the suspects did not say that he had sex with Natalee Holloway.  We have got all the versions of the tape ...

Transcript
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/

I feel I am in a twilight zone.

Could somebody please explain to me WHY Phil McGraw's attorneys are requesting case documents when a comparison of Skeeters' hard drive and the disputed segment of the McGraw tape will reveal the truth?

The judge and/or jury could listen to both audio recordings ... listen to expert testimony.

Case Closed!!

Janet

Deepak's attorneys never had any intentions of turning over case files yet ... a defamation lawsuit was filed against Phil McGraw.  Could it be that these attorneys entered into the defamation lawsuit convinced that a comparison of Skeeters' hard drive and ... the Dr. Phil tape would reveal a deceptive manipulatin had taken place?

IMO

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY:  I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

Maybe the backers of the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit were convinced that Phil McGraw's representatives would negotiate settlement ... were convinced that Skeeters' hard drive and the McGraw tape would not concur.

However ... I believe that Phil McGraw's attorneys may have come up with another strategy rather than settle ... lose credibility and ... lose millions.

It be that McGraw's attorneys have conceded that Deepak was defamed by McGraw in the disputed segment if the tape stands alone but ... with backup from case documents that Deepak previously defamed himself ... backup from case documents that the official spokesperson had defamed Deepak and ... backup from case documents that the prosecutor had defamed Deepak ...

IMO

Janet

I could be wrong.

However ... the requesting of case documents by McGraw's attorneys does not make sense.  The comparison of the Skeeter's audio recording/hard drive and the disputed segment of Mcraw's copy of the audio recording that was heard by his TV viewing audience ... should be were it is at.

Also ... I cannot comprehend the reasoning behind this multi million dollar lawsuit unless the Kalpoes' backers are convinced there was a deceptive manipulation by Phil McGraw.  Think about it.  These backers realized that a comparation of Skeeters hard drive and ... the Phil McGraw disputed copy will reveal the truth.

Phil McGraw's request of case documents implies to me that his copy was deceptively manipulated and without official backup to the contrary .... Deepak was defamed.

I predict if the official backup case documents are not forthcoming as the Natalee Holloway case has not been officially closed ... Phil McGraw will settle.  

IMO

Janet

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

Considering the ruling of the judge in the defamation lawsuit has given Skeeters' audio recording a pass in regards to any manipulation ... the question now is the Phil McGraw's "edited" recording heard by his TV viewing audience.

It is my contention IF the disputed portion of Phil McGraw's audio recording was not deceptively manipulated ... it could stand alone in a court of law in regards to the defamation of Deepak when it is compared to Skeeters' audio recording.  In other words ... no backup case documents should be necessary?

I contend that the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw's copy of the audio recording may have been deceptively manipulated and ... that is the reason backup documents have been requested by his attorneys.  McGraw has to proved that he did not defame Deepak in front of America.

IMO

Janet

The following theory gives Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem the benefit of the doubt that they were unknowingly being used as pawns in the Aruban coverup agenda.

The Dutch and Aruban law enforcements were aware of the project  at the time when Joran, Deepak and Satish were detained in November/December, 2007.  Both these law enforcements had been approach for cooperation with the secret recordings but ... Patrick and Peter were informed that Dutch law prevent that from happening so ... they were on their won.

My position has always been that those who share with Aruban Law Enforcement ... Aruban prosecutors ... in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway are being naive.  They do not get it ... those within both these levels of the Aruban Justice System have been behind the coverup agenda since the getgo ... those within both these levels of the of the Aruban Justice System are beholding to Rudy Croes.

In other words ... I contend it is possible that during Joran', Deepak and Satish's detention in Nov/Dec 2007 ... Patrick vander Eem and Peter Deviries were betrayed.  Is it possible that this detention was a time for getting stories straight and ... a collaborated plan for the "fifth car trip" was in the works ... a collaborated plan that would absolve Deepak and Satist from implication ... a collaborated plan that dictated that implication stopped and ended with Joran van der Sloot and and an unknow accomplish.

Think about it.  The "fifth car trip" segment ... the final segement ... the confession segment took place a short time following Joran, Deepak and Satish's release from detention ... a detention that resulted in insufficient evidence.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.  

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

Joran persona non grata’

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

Justice-minister Rudy Croes does no longer want Joran van der Sloot on the island, because he has caused and is still causing a lot of damage to the image of Aruba.

ORANJESTAD – The minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has declared Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of having murdered Natalee Holloway, persona non grata. Other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island.

The ministry of Justice also proposes this vote of censure in the light of a package of measures to tackle the criminality problems among Aruban and Antillean young persons in the Netherlands that is agreed on in the Dutch cabinet. The Dutch Justice-minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law that makes it possible to send them back to Aruba or the Antilles if necessary. “Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”

Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee. Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet. “If it turns out that what Joran said is true, we will take disciplinary measures. He indicated in a letter to the Dutch programme Pauw & Witteman that what Joran said it is not true.”

All eyes are now focused on the declaration that Joran van der Sloot wants to give to the police. According to his lawyers’ firm in the Netherlands, he hadn’t done that yet yesterday. On no account does the Public Prosecutor (OM) want to say where, when, or if there’s going to be an encounter. The ministry of Justice said that two detectives from Aruba had gone to the Netherlands for this. Also chief prosecutor Hans Mos is in the Netherlands, but supposedly on vacation.

Because the suspect has voluntarily committed to give a statement, the OM must passively wait a see whether Van der Sloot will come to the police station. Arresting him is impossible, as long as the examining magistrate in Oranjestad does not give permission for this. The OM had till this afternoon to submit the court of Justice with all relevant information and objections regarding the appeal against the decision that the examining magistrate made last week, not to arrest Joran. The court will decide on this next week.

THE ARUBAN STRATEGY?

Aruba must be given credit … in regards to the "confession" recording involving Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem ... the strategy is brilliant.  The implication of only Joran and the exoneration of Deepak and Satish as well as Paulus by default in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 is a simplified means that will allow the “powers that be” to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a close; appease a grieving family; reverse negative media attention; and the hope of raking in millions from Phil McGraw through the defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Janet

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The Prosecutor's Office

JANUARY, 2009 - HANS MOS
Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Patrick van der Eem

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―    

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

THE LIVES OF THE KALPOES WILL BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS?

I believe whether or not the Kalpoes exposed all ... their lives would be spared.  The Aruban "powers that be" would insure that no harm came to them.  After all ... the world would be watching ... waiting and ... anticipating ... Aruba's response to the brother's who know too much ... who have the ability to bring down Joran ... Paulus ... the sons of the elite and ... those within the ALE who are involved in the coverup.

However ... considering it is definitely to Aruba's advantage that the Kalpoes do not reveal all ... I believe that the strategy encompassing the Devries/van der Eem recording was to distance the Kalpoes from implication and ... thus use their exoneration to rake in millions from Phil McGraw while ... affording the Kalpoes a portion.

IMO

Janet

Was there a preconceived plan to implicate "only" Joran and an unnamed accomplice  in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway while distancing the Kalpoe brothers who had the ability to implicate Paulus, Steve Croes and the sons of the elite.

On one hand ... "The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force" claim in the following press announcement that Joran van der Sloot words in the recording do not justify an arrest as he is not trustworthy and cannot be believed but ... on the other hand .... the Kalpoes can be exonerated by those same words that cannot be believed.

Janet

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hotping
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #809 on: January 06, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »

Press Anouncement
Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.  Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.

He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.  Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.

Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.

In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

Peter Devries had it all figured out.  Only Joran would take the fall but in all likelyhood would not be held accountable.

Janet

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)

NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

- INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCONCEIVABLE -

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened. As soon as the detectives’ investigations showed that he certainly must have been involved in the disappearance however, he chose to lie to the world in a despicable manner about his actions and movements on the night concerned.

- REWARD FOR SABOTAGING INVESTIGATION -

It is a bitter pill to swallow – one that I have also come across in other cases – where a suspect has disposed of a body and managed to get off scot-free. Why does one dispose of the body? It is almost invariably to prevent the police from establishing exactly what happened to the person, usually because an offence has been committed. Also, for intentionally sabotaging the resulting investigation, one isn’t punished but rather rewarded because one cannot be arrested. What is just is not always fair. I will try to explain the logic of this to Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, but I doubt I will succeed.

In addition, the Court on Aruba stated that it’s ‘impression’ that Joran is a systematic liar further underpinned its decision. Usually, the fact that someone tells a pack of lies in a case concerning life and death should be a valid reason on its own to arrest the suspect, if only for the opportunity to get to the bottom of the matter.

- ADMISSION WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE? -

One of the things that Joran is certainly lying about is that his admissions in the car were made under the influence of marijuana. I must reiterate that Joran constantly admitted his role during five separate drives. During some of them, he did indeed smoke a joint, as is his habit. However, the TV footage shows clearly that during some of the drives he did NOT smoke, or did so only AFTER Natalee’s case was discussed. And never for a single moment did Joran say anything during a subsequent drive to intimate that last time, he had been stoned and had sprouted a lot of hot air. On the contrary. Each time, Joran reconfirmed his involvement in the disappearance, augmenting his confessions with new details. And during this frequently repeated account while ‘under the influence’, he also provided precise responses to the unanswered questions that police and justice still have in this case.

Moreover, anyone who has ever smoked marijuana knows that it effect does not prompt you to admit to unsolved crimes. Where that is the case, police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be overflowing.

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm

It is my belief if Joran's attorney is going to do any suing it will be the Aruban Law Enforcement that will be at the end of a lawsuit.  According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I would not be surprised if Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes ... who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing ... are distanced.

Case Closed!!

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.  

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

PATRICK VAN DER EEM: "NO COVERUP"

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

Finding the truth is very difficult with people like Joran and everybody who helped him. I don’t “know” if the there was a organized cover-up for the sake of tourism. I do know that it is not very smart to believe that. You know why? Because Joran is not important enough for that. He is not even Aruban. His father was not even a judge, he was a judge-in-training (a six year course). That might give him a network, that might be old-boys-circuit stuff, but it is not enough for a government conspiracy for tourism. I tell you what, if there would have been such a thing, it would have been so much more easier to try to frame Joran for a long sentence without enough evidence. What would the government care about Joran? Joran was 17 when he let somebody dump het body at sea. Under youth crime rules that’s a few years of jail. Case closed.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/
 

John Silvetti collaborated with the enemy and expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He does not get a pass.  He is suspected as being one with enemy.

Peter DeVries collaborated with the enemy and expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He gets a pass.  He is not suspected as being one with the enemy.

Monkeys ... there appears to be such a double standard.  What am I not getting.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

If ANYBODY but Peter Devries claimed that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot  did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

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Prosecutor's Office and Justice Minister  

Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Rudy Croes
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html



Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

If an American court rules that a 36 years old adult serves five years for committing the same offense as underage Joran van der Sloot ... the Aruban court would rule a slap on the wrist.  Was this the Aruban strategy behind the Peter Devries recording ... a recording that implicated only Joran and and an unknown accomplist in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Kalpoe brothers and Paulus van der Sloots involvement would be a non-issue.

I contend that the Aruban strategy went awry when Joran van der Sloot admitted on tape that he did not know whether Natalee was deceased.  The disposal of body and murder consitute two different felonies.

IMO

Janet

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How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Almost half a year ago Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, met Patrick van der Eem. Patrick was born on Curacao and is nowadays a successful entrepreneur in the east of Holland. He met Joran van der Sloot by complete coincidence in the casino. The two of them started talking and seemed to ‘click’. What followed were more meetings and soon Patrick noticed that Joran looked up to him and started to trust him. This is strengthened by the fact that Patrick pretends not to be interested in the Holloway-case.
 
- PATRICK: JORAN’S ‘BEST FRIEND’ -

When Joran returns to the Netherlands in 2006 he is overwhelmed by so-called friends and the press, who question him constantly about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Patrick at least is someone who doesn’t ask or so it seems. It becomes obvious that Joran likes to smoke large amounts of weed. This is why Patrick decides to pose as an experienced weed cultivator which makes Joran look up to him even more.

But Patrick is interested and suspects that Joran is involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. He gets this from the innuendos the 20 year old makes. Patrick doesn’t respond to these, but does approach our show with this story. Together with Peter R. de Vries they develop a strategy to get Joran talking about the case in front of the camera.

From the start it is clear that Patrick is indeed Jorans best friend. There are numerous complimentary text messages and a couple of phone calls, made in our company, to confirm that. Our plan is to use a car prepared with hidden cameras to create a relaxed environment for Joran to talk. In the second half of November everything is ready to go. Patrick will pick up Joran in a tricked out Range Rover to go and cruise around and of course to talk.

- ARREST RUINS PLAN –

But then, a day before we would start, the ministry of Justice ruins our plans. On the 21st of November 2007 Joran is arrested and brought back to Aruba. There are a couple of new facts in the judicial investigation, but Joran keeps his mouth shut and on the 7th of December he is a free man again and officially not a suspect anymore. Out of everyone, our insider Patrick is one of the first people he calls from Aruba. Patrick tapes the conversation.

Joran boasts that he was too clever for the police and that soon he will be back in the Netherlands. On the 9th of January he arrives at Schiphol airport and one day later he meets up with Patrick to see his new Range Rover, the car that has been prepared with three hidden cameras.

- THE WINE INCIDENT -

On the 10th of January 2008 we start our undercover operation. An advantage of the recent arrest is that Patrick can now bring up the subject naturally. During their first drive it becomes apparent that joran has a low opinion of the public prosecutor and the department of justice.  He declares that he wants to claim damages from everyone and is invited to speak on the Pauw & Witteman show. As luck would have it Peter R. de Vries will also be there. After the show Joran throws a glass of red wine in Peters face.

Two day’s after the famous wine-incident Joran gets into Patricks Range Rover again. Our cameras capture Joran talking for the first time in detail about Natalee Holloway. He confirms she’s dead and will never be found because ‘the ocean is big’. He also declares that he can never be caught because he was lucky.

Furthermore he relates that he was helped in the disposal of the body. Who this is or who these people are (Joran talks often in the plural), he won’t tell yet. What follows are four long drives in which our hidden cameras tape 15 hours of conversation.

- COMPLETE CONFESSION -

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

- HEARTLESS -

Joran shows no emotion towards Patrick when he tells him that he didn’t sleep one night less because of the whole situation. He also tells him that Natalee’s death was in fact quite fortunate for him. “Now I can abuse the whole situation”, he says indicating the book he has written.

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm
 
 

So much of the Range Rover recording has been proven to be lies.  How can anything be believed.  This is why Joran was never detained.

However ...

1.  The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that Natalee was dumped at sea and ... was not placed in a cage.

2.  The seed is planted with the viewing audience that the Kalpoes were not involved.

3.  The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that Paulus was not involved.

4. The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that the sons of the elite were not involved.

The detainment of all three suspects in November/December/07 ... the Kalpoes exoneration ... the contents of the cage and ... Joran's confession were are addressed in the same press released from the Prosecutor's office.  This implies to be there is a connection.

IMO

Janet

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Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover.

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?

1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.

2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.

Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.
He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.

Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.

Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.

In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

Considering Natalee Holloway's body did not wash up on shore ... implies to me that Joran was lying in his confession regarding the disposal of Natalee's body.

I firmly believe that the Devries recording was a hoax collaborated with the Aruba "powers that be" to distract from the cage and ... provide an avenue to rake millions from the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGra.

Janet

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TRANSCRIPT - JORAN'S CONFESSION

Patrick: How far did you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job.  This guy really knows what he is doing. Did he weight her down to make her sink?

Joran:  No, I don’t think so.

Patrick: You don’t even know that?

Joran:  No.

Patrick: Didn’t he ever tell you how he did it?

Joran:  Of course he did.

Patrick: How did he do it then?

Joran:  He just went out in the sea further and then he just dumped her.

PETER DEVRIES - TIM MILLER - DAVE HOLLOWAY

My suspicions encompassing underlying motivations of Peter Devries, Tim Miller as well as Dave and Robin Holloway in regards to relationships with the enemy are out of my comfort zone but ... I sincerely believe ... at this point in time ... there is something very wrong.  I treaded softly in the beginning and even justified because I there was a foundation of trust but ... as time has gone on my emotions regarding Devries, Miller and the Holloways has progressed to disappointment and ... then anger at what I consider a betrayal of Natalee.

I do not hate these three men.  How could I?  At one time I held them all in high regard when they made stands against those in the LE and proclaimed in their own respective ways that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee the justice she deserved.  At some point in time ... Peter Devries, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway recognized that a positive outcome was not going to happen by collaborating with the enemy who possessed an Aruban agenda for the answers to the disappearance of Natalee.

What changed and ... what were the underlying motivations.

Janet

There is a lot of blame to go around in regards to justice not prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... beginning with those involved in the happening encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared.  Then the chain of blame progresses to those in the Aruban/Dutch administration involved in the coverup to deny justice ... those who ... intentionally or not ...  collaborated with the enemy in the Persistence endeavor and ultimately furthered the Aruban coverup agenda and ... those who were involved in the Range Rover undertaking meant to distanced Paulus from involvment ... exonerated the Kalpoes and ... implicate "only" an underage Joran with disposal of a body.

IMO

Janet

I am not on the same page as Lifesong and Klaas regarding this topic but ... considering the judge's ruling regarding the defamation lawsuit has yet to happen ... speculating the outcome is where it is at.

It would be a happy day for me if I was wrong in my speculation and ... Lifesong and Klaas were right.  A measure of justice in the Natalee Holloway case will have been realized.

Janet

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Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #482 on: May 05, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »

About the Kalpoe lawsuit...

I don't believe for a minute Dr. Phil is anywhere close to offering a settlement this case.  That is just an Aruban pipedream!

Here is the link again to the transcript of Skeeters tape.  The entire tape has to be allowed into evidence.  Read the transcript again and consider the actual claims of the lawsuit.  The Kalpoe's simply cannot win this. 

I spent a while the other night reading back through it.  Seriously, if you read the whole thing and put yourself on the jury...no way 7 of 12 American jurors will award these scum a dime.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #483 on: May 05, 2009, 01:24:04 PM »

Lifesong - I agree.  If they were going to settle it would have happened a long time ago.  They have no plans on settling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940

 could be wrong and ... if I am I will gladly eat crow but ... considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case thanks to the Devries recording ... Phil McGraw will not be permitted access to investigation documentation thus forcing an undisclosed settlement awarded to the Kalpoes (Aruba).  In other words ... the outcome of the comparison between the Skeeter's hard drive and the McGraw recording will never be known.

IMO

Janet

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THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Ladies and Gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673
 

Somehow I do not believe that there was anything on Skeeters hard drive that would implicate the Kalpoe brothers in the happenings encompassing what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Why would Aruba (Deepak) file a lawsuit that had the ability of exposing to America wrongdoing on by the suspects in the events encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.  The Aruban "powers that be" must believe that they have a solid case.

I somehow suspect and ... I could be wrong ... that that the McGraw recording was deceptively manipulated and this is the reason McGraw's attorneys are after documentation ... documentation that prove that Deepak was not defamed on the show.

However ... now that Aruba has declared the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case because of the words of Joran on the Devries' recording ... I do not believe the McGraw's attorneys will ever get their hands on any documentation.  In other words ... a professional comparison between the recording on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive and the McGraw's "edited" recording will stand alone.

IMO

Janet

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The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―    

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

Peter Devries stands by his position that Joran van der Sloot gave a "full" confession .. a "full" confession which exonerates the Kalpoe brothers.
Janet

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Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

<snipped>

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

I know there is something I am not getting but ... I would think a professional  comparison of the Jamie Skeeter hard drive with the disputed segment of the recording that was heard by Phil McGraw's viewing  audience should reveal the truth in regards to the defamation of Deepak Kalpoe.  Was the Dr. Phil recording deceptively manipulated?  Yes?  No?

Considering both Aruba and the Kalpoes' attorney contend that the Peter Devries recording exonerates the Kalpoes from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... Phil McGraw's recording had better be on the up and up or ... Aruba and the Kalpoes win big time.

Janet

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THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Ladies and Gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened  … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


THE KALPOES' ATTORNEY

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―    

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

Peter Devries implies to the mother of Natalee Holloway that every word out of Joran van der Sloots mouth is the truth ... its a "full confession".  Think about it.  Joran distances his father and ... exonerates the Kalpoes paving the avenue for the defamation lawsuit to rack millions from Phil McGraw.

Nevertheless ... Devries assures Beth Holloway that this recording is a "full confession".  Devries is outright lying to Beth and ... that makes me soooo angry.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

Peter R. DeVries:  “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty:  “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:   “No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty:  “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:  “Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty:  “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty:  “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty:  “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty:  “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:  "To you.”

Beth Twitty:  “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty:  “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty:   “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty:  “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

I believe that Peter Devries WAS on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway but ... for a price was caught up in an Aruba strategy that would implicate only Joran and thereby:

1.  Close the Investigation
2.  Appease the family
3.  Silence the media
4.  Make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory
5.  Protect Paulus and the sons of the elite from implication.
6.  Protect those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruba administration involved in the coverup
7.  Protect the judiciary who ruled against detentions of all suspects in the case
8.  Protect those involved in Aruba's underground economy.
9.  Pave the road to a successfull outcome in the defamation lawsuit again Phil McGraw.

I believe that only the disputed segment of the Phil recording is the issue ... the segment that Deepak claims was deceptively manipulated from the original Skeeters' recording ... the segment that defamed him.

I cannot comprehend why both Phil McGraw and the Kalpoes attorneys do not request a professional comparison the disputed segment of the two recordings and ... the outcome will determine the winner of the defamation lawsuit.  Is that too simple?

If ANYBODY but Peter Devries implied that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

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THE OFFICE OF THE PROSECUTOR - THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened …  .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Rudy Croes
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

<snipped>

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

If an American court rules that a 36 years old adult serves five years for committing the same offense as underage Joran van der Sloot ... the Aruban court would rule a slap on the wrist.  Was this the Aruban strategy behind the Peter Devries recording ... a recording that implicated only Joran and and unknown accomplist in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Kalpoe brothers and Paulus van der Sloots involvement would be a non-issue.

IMO

Janet

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Quote from: SurfCity on May 18, 2009, 10:49:02 PM

Man gets 5 years for dumping college student's body at sea
3:33 PM | May 18, 2009

 A man who admitted to dumping the body of an Orange County woman in the ocean after a night of heavy drug use was sentenced this afternoon to five years in state prison.

John Steven Burgess, 36, pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter on May 6 in the death of 19-year-old Donna Jou of Rancho Santa Margarita. Jou, whom Burgess met online, was a student at San Diego State University.

Burgess, who recently completed a term for failing to register as a sex offender, said Jou died nearly two years ago after he gave her cocaine, heroin and alcohol at a party at his home in Palms.

When he awoke the next morning, Burgess said, she was dead. He said he panicked and used his sailboat to dump her body in the ocean.

<snipped>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/man-gets-5-years-for-dumping-college-students-body-at-sea.html

John Silvetti collaborated with the enemy and claimed he expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He does not get a pass.  He is suspected as being one with enemy.

Peter DeVries collaborated with the enemy and claimed he expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He gets a pass.  He is not suspected as being one with the enemy.

Monkeys ... there appears to be such a double standard.  What am I not getting.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  
Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I suspect that Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing are distanced.  The door is open to collect millions from the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes against Phil McGraw.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

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PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

The Range Rover recording?  I believe the "confession" was all about furthering the Aruban coverup by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

IMO

Janet

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THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

The Range Rover recordings?  I speculate that the "confession" hoax was  collaborated by Joran van der Sloot, Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and the Aruban "powers that be" in the investigation and ... it was all about furthering the coverup agenda by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

Peter Devries

No Resarrest for Joran: How Do You Explain That to Her relatives?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway by no mention of a crab/trap in the disposal.

Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.
 
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

Why is Paulus van der Sloot's participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 not mentioned in Joran van der Sloot's Range Rover confession?  Why is it not an issue with Peter Devries, Patrick van der Eem and Rudy Croes.  The smuggled cell phone is the ultimate discretion that has to be investigated.

Janet

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BETH HOLLOWAY

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


b]PATRICK VANDER EEM[/b]

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

The following words of Peter Devries regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession"  implies ... in more ways than one ... the Range Rover undertaking was a distraction from the recovered contents of the trap/cage on January 1, 2008.

Not only is the cage/trap not an issue in the disposal segment of the recording ... the implication is that Joran's shoe could not have been in that cage/trap.  In other word ... the impression is given that the contents of the trap/cage recovered by the Arubans was not case related.

Janet

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How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg543129#msg543129

Other than the segment of the Range Rover recording where Joran van der Sloot is heard describing what appears to be Natalee Holloway suffering from a seizure … available backup implies that Joran's “confession” was fabricated.

The motivation for the fabrication collaborated ... in my opinion ... by Joran van der Sloot, Patrick vander Eeem, Peter Devries and the Aruban “powers that be” within the investigation was:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway and silencing the media by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway remains by not mention of a crab/trap in the disposal segment.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

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THE WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA REVELATION

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

<snipped>

Joran:  No he isn't dumb, he was sitting there and he said, "Joran you also know, I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem."  He said, "No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this."  And I said, "Yes." I said, "Yes, I don't know also, I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this." His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:  Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".
 
Patrick:  He's smart, Joran.
 
Joran: I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine." 
 

LOVING NATATLEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Page 48:  It’s about three o’clock in the morning .  It’s a school night.  They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.

Other than Natalee Holloway suffered seizures in the presence of Joran which was  alluded to by authorities in their questioning of Beth and Jug … I contend the entire Range Rover recordings are fabrications collaborated by Aruban Law Enforcement, Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and Joran vander Sloot in an effort to ….

Janet

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THE PAYPHONE

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: … This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me."


On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  ,,, And moreover, the pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328565,00.html

Other than the reference to what appeared to be seizures … what part of Joran van der Sloot’s “confession” on the Ranger Rover tapes reflected the truth.
 
Janet
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DAURY

THE RANGE ROVER TAPES

Patrick:   But how far did he bring her then? This boy must have done a really good job. But how far?  Does he ship often, does he know a lot about boats, what does he know about the ocean?
 
Joran:  He has his own boat licence.
 
Patrick:  Yes, a license, the boy really knows what's he doing. Did he make her heavy to let her sink?
 
Joran:  No, I don't think so.
 
Patrick:  You don't know?  He never told you how he did it?
 
Joran:  Of course he did.
 
Patrick:   How then?
 
Joran:  He just went into the ocean. farther away.   Then he dumped her.
 
Patrick:   You really have been lucky, you know that.  No shit, you where very lucky.
 
Joran:  I say that also.
 
Patrick:   Real lucky.  That he was so stupid, that he did it that way, you know. You have a gigantic angle (weight) hanging above you head.
 
Joran:   That evening I slept normally. I went home that evening, and went to my bed.
 
Patrick:   What's his name?
 
Joran:  Daury
 
Patrick:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch?
 
Joran:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that.  


Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008

A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."  

ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to stunning new information about the case, caught on tape, and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway," Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET.

Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway's disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing.

Rodriguez retained an Aruban lawyer when he realized he was implicated in the case, and said he asked the biographer to put him in touch with Van der Sloot, but she refused.

Van der Sloot apparently logged on to an online instant messaging service over the weekend, and Rodriguez said he confronted him and demanded to know why he'd been named as an accomplice. "So, I was online, and he comes online, and I was like, 'Yo, what's wrong with you, man. Why did you do that?' And he's like, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm so sorry.' And I said, you know, 'What the f---? Sorry? Don't say that! That's [b.s.]. You're putting me in trouble for nothing.'"

Rodriguez said he played soccer with Van der Sloot when the pair were about 16 years old, and that, while he knew him as an acquaintance, he would never call him a friend.

He said they played poker together at a local casino late last year after Van der Sloot was released from his second arrest.

Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.

He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.

Asked how he could prove his whereabouts during 2005, Rodriguez said that ATMs he had used in Rotterdam could show he was there in May 2005.

Lejuez said he provided investigators with the name of the trade school Rodriguez had attended and the company he later worked for in Rotterdam.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3

The plan to distance the Kalpoes from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and let only Joran take the fall was brilliant.  Paulus' involvement would be a non issue.  The involvement of the sons of the elite would be a non-issue.  The participation of those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations in the coverup agenda that had prevented justice from prevailing would be a non-issue.

Janet

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THE EXONERATION OF DEEPAK AND SATISH  

THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: But at that moment, you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos n Charlie. These boys, they know.  Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
Patrick:  I figured that already.
 
Patrick: They dropped you off.
 
Joran:  Imagine how "conjo" I had to be to have them to say they had dropped me of at the hotel. That messed things up truly, that messed things up.
 
Patrick:  But, of course.
 
Joran:  So I told him, but if the police comes, Deepak and Satish have dropped me off at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also.  Then he/they said, "Yes, that is true."
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

The only segment of the Range Rover recordings regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession" that reflects the truth is the segment that Joran refers to Natalee's uncontrollable shaking.

In the initial stages of the investigation Natalee's mother and stepfather were questioned by Aruban LE regarding the issues of seizures.  The implication appears to be that during interrogations Joran shared with authorities circumstances encompassing the actual demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html

ARCHIVES ARE WHERE IT IS AT!

Considering the time frame in regards to the gardener's observation and ... the time of the "something bad happening" on the beach related by Joran in Range Rover "confession" ... could it be that Joran, Deepak and Satish hid Natalee in the Mangrove bushes and ... then ran across the street the Deepak's vehicle to discuss the situation?  Could it be that Paulus was contacted ... entered the scene and took over?  Could it be that Deepak and Satish then took Joran home according to Freddy's statement?

Janet

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THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

Patrick: Where did you talk to him?
 
Joran:  The payphone, from the Marriott hotel,
 
Patrick: In the lobby?
 
Joran:  No outside by the pool. I always sit there.
 
Patrick: Did you just leave her there?
 
Joran:  I left her there.
 
Joran:  So I picked her up and put her by the mangrove things. And I told him, "You need to come here." Because he lives by himself, he does not do all that shit, sometimes he takes a bitch and fucks here, but he lives alone, always. That's the way it should be, so he says. So he gets there, and he says, "Joran what did you do? (Then the friend says,) "But she looks so sweet, you know." She just lays there, she does not do anything. He asks me, "What happened?"... "I don't know," I tell him,
 
Patrick:  Did you try to reanimeren (resuscitate) her?
 
Joran:  Of course, I did.  I tried to shake her.  I was shaking the bitch, I was almost crying, "Why does shit like this happen to me?" I said to him, "This is not possible."
 
Patrick:  What time was this?
 
Joran:  Two thirty, two o'clock.


THE GARDENER

Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares.  You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.
 
Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road.


FREDDY

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.


PAULUS

NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for August 12, 2005, CNNHN
Aired August 12, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 21
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 

It appears that Joran van der Sloot,  Rudy Croes,  Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem are willing to give Paulus van der Sloot a free pass in regards to any involvement in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The Range Rover recordings negated all archives ... negates the Aruban Superior Court ruling ... in the Natalee Holloway case that imply otherwise.

Janet

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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Range Rover Transcript

Joran:  Yes
 
Patrick:  Nobody helped?
 
Joran:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trust

Joran:  Something happened, I didn't kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucky they never found her (no body no case). I think I'm in the clear, they won't find a body. Let me tell you, I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat. 


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


PATRICK VANDER EEM

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.  

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

It appears that the prosecutor's office may not rearrest Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words regarding the felony of disposing a body claiming that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings cannot be trusted.  However ... when it comes to exonerating the Kalpoes based on Joran's lying words ... exonerating those who could implicate Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite as well as expose the corrupt investigation ... that is a different story.  Hey ... Peter Devries gives the Kalpoes a pass on Joran's lying words.  The archive backups implying Deepak and Satish were involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 are negated ... are a non-issue.

Janet

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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

The Range Rover Recording

Joran: ... Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
<snipped>
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never. 


THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


PETER DEVRIES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

I hope the Dr. Phil's copy of the Jamie Skeeters' recording was not deceptively manipulated from the original because I somehow believe it will be required to stand alone in the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes ... stand alone without any backup documents from the Aruban investigation.

I believe that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings has possibly paved the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

If the Kalpoes are no longer suspects ... if they have been exonerated by Joran's words on the Range Rover recordings ... I believe that the documentation held by Aruba ... documentation that would prove that the Kalpoes were not defamed by Dr. Phil .. will be sealed.  I could be wrong.

Janet

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The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil    
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I find it very suspicious that Joran's anger issues did not come into play in regards to the video recording that was about to be released ... the video recording where he admits that he was present when Natalee Holloway died and ... implicates himself in the disposal of Natalee's body.  He has no concern.  Why?  Also ... he does not appear to hold anything again Patrick van der Eem or Peter Devries for their betrayal in regards to a "secret" recording.

Something is not right

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

<snipped>

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT - IS A SETTLEMENT ON THE HORIZON?

I cannot comprehend why Deepak and Satish Kalpoe's attorneys (Aruba) would file this huge defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw unless ther is a solid foundation to prove that the recording heard on the Dr. Phil Show differed from the original recording that can be found on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Think about it.  A professional comparison in an FBI lab is all it would take to would reveal to the world whether or not Deepak admitted that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Also, the Kalpoe attorneys must realize that Phil McGraw millions would provide a defence like no other.

Unless case related documents can be obtained by McGraw's attorneys which will reveal that the Kalpoes were not defamed ... I am expecting an out-of-court settlement.

IMO

Janet

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On the Record w/ Greta
Tale of the Tape
Thursday, December 01, 2005

Jamie Skeeters, while in Aruba, had a taped interview with Deepak Kalpoe and there is now much debate about that tape and what Deepak did or did not say. Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee. Some authorities in Aruba now say that the "Dr. Phil" show — or someone — manipulated or altered the original tape of the interview with Deepak in order to create a false story for air. This is in sharp contrast to what the representatives of the "Dr. Phil" show assert.

The (Dr. Phil) representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...."  The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee. When we listened to the generation of tape provided us the other night from Aruban representatives, our staff thought what was said was, "You would be surprised how simple it would have been."

... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.  

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/

I could be mistaken, but I thought that the case was dismissed with prejudice....

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d061.htm

If this is true, a settlement might not be in the horizon, as you've stated.  jmo and subject to change if my facts are incorrect.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

The defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe (Aruba) against Phil Mcgraw has been dismissed!!!

When did this happen?

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)


10.dotratc on May 10th, 2009 7:17 am

Maybe the celebrations are a bit premature. You inadvertently left the following portion of the Judge’s Order out when you posted the article:

“To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable…”

By dismissing the Skeeters Estate, the Judge effectively eliminated one of the best defenses available to the remaining Defendants.


The full court transcript can be read here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/

The Kalpoes' attorney never had any intentions of releasing case related documents.  The comparison between the original recording and the Dr. Phil recording was were it was at from the getgo.

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

I believe the following words in the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters is huge in regards to the direction the court appears to be heading in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

I am inclined to believe that settling with Deepak and Satish (Aruba) will be in Phil McGraw's best interest.

I am not rejoicing in my speculations in regards to the direction of this defamation lawsuit.  I will gladly eat an entire crow pie if I am wrong.

Janet

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA COUNT,  OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be show to have  been neglgent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA COUNT,  OF LOS ANGELES

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

This is what I was thinking of:

From the getgo ... it do not make sense to me that Phil McGraw's attorneys were requesting case documents from Aruba to use as evidence that McGraw did not defame Deepak and Satish in the recording he played on his show.  My contention was comparing the disputed segment with the Skeeters' orginal ... with the hard drive was all that was required.

Then it dawned on me that the disputed segment must had been deceptively manipulated and could not stand alone.  The implication was that documentation from the case file would be required to prove that Deepak and Satish were not defamed.  Maybe documentation some akin to documentation which reflected Steve Cohen words which stated that at least two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... I speculate that Joran's words in the Range Rover recording ... words that appears exonerate the Kalpoes from implication in the happens encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway ... rendering them no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... will go a long ways towards the inability of Phil McGraw's attorneys to have access to to documents.

Janet

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STEVE COHEN

Aruba Truth
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen.


THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil      
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html





 

Considering I do not believe for one minute that Aruba will hand over documentation implicating Deepak and Satish Kalpoe ... I contend the best case scenario would be that the judge would dismiss the defamation case for non compliance.

On the other hand ... if the Phil McGraw recordings were deceptively manipulated ... I believe that the Kalpoes could win big time.

This is behind my reasoning ... my speculation ... that there will be a negotiated settlement.

Janet

THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - THE OUTCOME - IN PRD'S OWN WORDS

Could the Range Rover recording have been a collaborated effort by Joran van der Sloot (Paulus), Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and the Aruban Law Enforcement ... a collaborated effort to appease the family and close the investigation by:

1.  Allowing only an underage Joran and unknown person/s to take the fall for assisting in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body.

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish who have the ability to implicate Paulus ... the sons of the elite and ... exposing the corrupt investigation.

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


3.  Negating the find of the Persistence ... the find of a trap/cage ... a trap/cage which from a professional anaylsis may have held the remains of Natalee Holloway ... the remains which were afforded unchallenged to the enemy by John Silvitti as well as  ... negating the shoe within the trap/cage ... negating the shoe to the status of unrelated to the case.

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

If Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are no longer suspects in Natalee Holloway case as a result of the Range Rover recording ... if case related documentation are not forthcoming from Aruba and  ... if there is any doubt concerning the "editing" of the Dr. Phil recording ... could the road toward a successful out come in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw have been paved?

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Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil     
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

What is wrong with this picture.

An American judge refuses to dismiss the defamation case and allowed the Kalpoes' attorneys another five days to produce the requested documentation.  That was in February, 2008.  That was over 1 1/2 years ago.  Why has the case not dismissed?

Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys have convinced the judge that the alleged manipulation of the Dr. Phil recording is what the case is all about?

Janet

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The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil      
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

<snipped>

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

[color=blue]HELLO PETER![/color]  Read the Range Rover transcript!  Listen to the Range Rover transcript.  Joran admitted that he cannot be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased following her apparent seizure prior to being dumped in the ocean.

It appears that Peter Devries is determined that Joran van der Sloot is not going to be implicated in anything more serious than the felony of disposing of a body.  Think about it ... Joran admitted to Patrick in the Range Rover recording that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was dead was deceased.

Hey ... unless either Joran van der Sloot or "Daury" possess certification that qualifies them to determine if Natalee Holloway had taken her last breath ... why is Peter Devries affording Joran van der Sloot the benefit of the doubt that the only felony Dutch Law can imposed was pertaining to the disposal of a "body"?

Janet

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Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm




RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?
 
Joran: She didn't move anymore.
 
Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?  

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma, I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead.  Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead. Could've been a coma 

I contend that the reason that the Range Rover hoax did not result in the arrest of Joran van der Sloot for the felony under Dutch Law of disposing of a body ... the Range Rover hoax that was all about implicating an underage Joran in the disposal of a body and distances all others who may have been involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... was the words of Joran admitting Natalee was dumped in the ocean and ... he had no idea whether or not she was deceased.

This is huge.  I can only assume that Dutch Law does not allow for the dumping of persons into the ocean ... persons who have not been determined to be dead.

Janet

 

The "powers that be" made the decision that Joran's words in the Range Rover recording could not be trusted in regards to the happenings encompassing Natalee Holloway's apparent demise and disposal of what appeared to be a body  and ... therefore no arrest.

On the other hand ... the words of Joran in the same recording ... words regarding the exoneration of Deepak and Satish could be believed and ... therefore the Kalpoes are no longer suspects.

Janet

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JORAN CANNOT BE BELIEVED!

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


JORAN CAN BE BELIEVED!

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

If I am reading the following words within the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters correctly ... the implication is that the positive outcome of the defamation lawsuit against Jamie Skeeters does not reflect what the outcome will be in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.

Thanks Buckeye.

Is this the final judgement?  The Kalpoes lose?

Janet

against Skeeters.  And Skeeters confirmed that Deepak said what he had recorded.  Unless the K2 can show falsity of the tape, I can't see how they can win against Dr. Phil.

It was my impression that Deepak and Satish's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw was all about the allegation that the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated to imply Deepak had told Jamie Skeeters that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee.

My contention has always been that a professional comparison in an FBI lab  between the Jamie Skeeters' original (hard drive) and Dr. Phil's recording would reveal the truth.

Janet
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The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator  to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

It is the burden of the Plaintiff to prove the falsity of the tape.  They should have had something tangible (other than anger and greed) before they filed suit.  If they did have an NFI report or any report that said Deepak was misquoted, they need to include it in discovery.  A US judge does not care what anyone in Aruba or Thailand thinks.  He needs proof of malice and manipulation.  If the Plaintiffs want an FBI analysis/report they need to pursue that...the judge is not going to....maybe they don't want an official report.  Maybe they have one from the NFI that is not favorable to their cause.  :smt102

Thanks Buckeye

Did you read the above quote from the Jamie Skeeters' judgement.  It implies that the Dr. Phil's recording is an issue in the defamation lawsuit.  You thoughts?

This lawsuit could have been over at the getgo if Phil McGraw attorneys had requested a professional comparison of the Dr. Phil's recording and Jamie Skeeters' recording (hard drive).  McGraw attorneys have been attempting for two years to obtain documentation from Aruba to back the contention that Deepak and Satish were not defamed.

Janet

Considering the skepticism encompassing the Dr. Phil recording ... a measure of justice for Natalee Holloway would be where it was at if America could hear in Deepak's own words from the orginal recording on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive or be assured from the court that he, Joran and Satish all had sex with Natalee Holloway.

It would negate the Range Rover recording 100%.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE STORY

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

... Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

Either the Persistence betrayal reflects the truth or ... the Range Rover "confession"  reflects the truth.  There cannot be two truths.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE STORY

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

- COMPLETE CONFESSION -

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

... Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

... Joran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a storm drain.

... Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.
 
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

Buckeye ... I agree.  The outcome of the defamation case rests on the alleged editing/manipulation of the Dr. Phil tape.  This issue could be cleared up if either McGraw or Kalpoes' attorneys would request a professional comparison in the FBI lab of the Dr. Phil recording and the Jamie Skeeters' orginal recording (hard drive) and ... submit the report to the court.

What am I missing?

The two year effort by McGraw's attorneys to obtain case documentation from Aruba to backup their claim that the Kalpoes' were not defamed on the show implies to me that the Dr. Phil tape may not reflect the words spoken by Deepak in the Jamie Skeeter interview/recording.

Janet

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The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


On the Record w/ Greta
Tale of the Tape
Thursday, December 01, 2005

... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html

The following words from the court absolving Jamie Skeeters of wrongdoing in the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes tells me that the copy of the recording Skeeters gave to Phil McGraw reflected the original on his hard drive.

Janet

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf
 

Why are the case documents so fundamental?  Why can the Dr. Phil recording not stand along side of Jamie Skeeters' original (hard drive) in the defending of this defamation lawsuit.

There is no way that Aruba is going to release documentation that implicates the Kalpoes in the act of wrongdoing.  Considering the Aruban courts have now released Deepak and Satish as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case on the words of Joran's "confession" in the Range Rover recordings ... the documentations accumulated in the course of the investigation are now considered non-issues ... unsubstantiated allegations ... hersay .   
 
Anyways ... I do believe the five days extension was up over 1 1/2 years ago .  Why has this defamation lawsuit not been dismissed?

Janet

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Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," (Court Judge Edward A) Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

If Phil McGraw's attorneys expect official documentation from Aruba backing up Deepak's recorded words heard on the show ... words implying that he had sex with Natalee Holloway ... it is not going to happen.

Janet

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CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.

PETER DEVRIES - THE FIFTH CAR TRIP

Another reason that I contend that Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" to distract from the trap/cage ... was derived from Kyle Kingman's own words.

Kyle may not have contacted Beth Holloway but ... Peter Devries was definitely in the know.

Think about it.  Considering he had knowledge ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor.  Instead ... a fifth "secret" recording was hastily put together in January, 2008 with the knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Janet
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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

Jen

The fifth and final "car trip" to record Joran van der Sloot "confession"  was made on January 29, 2008 with the full knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Kyle Kingman's own words state that Peter Devries was aware of the ROV footage in February, 2008.  Kyle shares that there were negotiations taking place in February, 2008.

When Peter Devries was doing the talk show circuit in February, 2008 ... he had full knowledge that Joran van der Sloot's "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains did not reflect the involvement of a cage/trap.  In other words ... Devries was abetting the enemy when he was negating the implication that Natalee's remains were retrieved by the Aruban divers.

Think about it.  For almost two years this crime reporter has kept quiet about the story ... a huge story ... that the ability to expose the finale to the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevail.  Not a peep.  He shared nothing with Beth Holloway.

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

I contend that the Range Rover recording conforms to the Aruban coverup agenda perfectly.  It negates the trap/cage as well as ... the involvement of Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers.  The recording implies that Joran alone would take the fall while being assured that he will not be held accountable.

Janet

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

The Range Rover "confession" recording conformed perfectly to the Aruban coverup agenda.  Is it any wonder that Dolph Richardson implied he must be dreaming.  The Range Rover "confession" recording was ... beyond a doubt ... an Aruban dream come true. 

1.  The focus was taken off the contents of the cage/trap.
2.  The focus was taken off the participation of Paulus in the coverup..
3.  The focus was taken off the participation of the Kalpoes in the events encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... the Kalpoes who had the ability to implicate Paulus.
4.  The focus was was on only Joran vander Sloot who ... when all was said and done ... admitted no wrongdoing except participating in the disposal of a body when he was yet a minor.
5.  The family would be pacified with a measure of closure.
6.  The case would be closed.
7.  The disappearance of Natalee Holloway would become a faded memory.
8.  Aruban tourism would once again flouish.

Janet

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THE PERSISTENCE - DOLF RICHARDSON

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman:  Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it.

However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net
 

oceanexplortion
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site. This was 12 and 13 days later. Coincidence perhaps?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING - DOLPH RICHARDSON

On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

JORAN'S SHOES
 
Joran van der Sloot's confession in the Range Rover recordings regarding throwing his shoes in a drain while walking home from the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 negates the contention that the shoe placed within the cage/trap ... a shoe which was recovered on January 1, 2008 by the Arubans ... was case related.
_________
 
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPTS
 
Patrick:  How did you get home, then?
 
Joran:  I just walked, what do you think, he had to ...
 
Patrick:  How long a walk is that then?
 
Joran:  Fifteen or so, and the shoe thing is all BS Patrick.
 
Patrick:  Does he have your shoes?
 
Joran:  No.  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home ...
 
Patrick: You just took them off.
 
Joran: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes).
 
Patrick: Riolering (storm drains) or something.
 
Joran: Yes.


PETER DEVRIES

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


KYLE KINGMAN

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 02:40:46 PM »
 
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process. 
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 through
« Reply #587 on: September 25, 2008, 12:15:01 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg469889;topicseen#msg469889

DAURY RODRIGUEZ

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008

A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."

... Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man.  

Entire Article:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3


VVideo Recording
February, 2008

PATRICK: What is his name?

JORAN: Daury

PATRICK: Daury what? Is he Dutch?

JORAN: Yes.  Half Dutch. Half Aruban.  Dutch Mother.


Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

According to Private Eye ... his sister was privy to the screen shots that were released to the FBI ... Dave Holloway and ... the internet.  However ... the issue is the ROV FOOTAGE.

If Peter Devries was aware of the ROV FOOTAGE two week following his interview with Beth Holloway and ... did not inform Natalee's mother of what Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan were attempting to do with that ROV FOOTAGE ... I can only assume his reasoning would be that this ROV FOOTAGE would negate the Range Rover "confession" and ... negate his words implying that Joran gave a full confession and that the case has been solved.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

The Range Rover "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body when compared to the "cage/trap" disposal do not equate.

Following Joran van der Sloots departure for home ... logic dictates that "Daury" did not break into the Fisherman's Hut ... carry a 300 lb to his boat ... place Natalee's body within ... locate a tarp to cover her body ... locate rocks to weight down the trap ... take her out to sea and ... then makes his way to Joran's home to discuss the situation.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

BOTTOM LINE:

Considering he had knowledge since February, 2008 ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor?  Why did this investigative reporter not inform Beth Holloway?

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  ... DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

THE PAYPHONE

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: … This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me."


On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  ,,, And moreover, the pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328565,00.html

The only segment of the Range Rover recordings regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession" that reflects the truth is the segment that Joran refers to Natalee's uncontrollable shaking.

In the initial stages of the investigation Natalee's mother and stepfather were questioned by Aruban LE regarding the issues of seizures.  The implication appears to be that during interrogations Joran shared with authorities circumstances encompassing the actual demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html

I contend that the Range Rover recording conforms to the Aruban coverup agenda perfectly.  It negates the trap/cage as well as ... the involvement of Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers.  The recording implies that Joran alone would take the fall while being assured that he will not be held accountable.

Janet

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

The fifth and final "car trip" to record Joran van der Sloot "confession"  was made on January 29, 2008 with the full knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Kyle Kingman's own words state that Peter Devries was aware of the ROV footage in February, 2008.  Kyle shares that there were negotiations taking place in February, 2008.

Peter Devries was doing the talk show circuit in February, 2008.  At that time ... did Devries have have knowledge of the ROV FOOTAGE taken of the observation and recovery dive of the crab/trap?  At that time ... was Devries abetting the Aruban enemy in the finale to the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005? 

Think about it.  For almost two years this crime reporter has sat on the Persistence story involving ROV FOOTAGE ... ROV FOOTAGE he was attempting to possess.  This story is huge.  It has ability to expose the finale to the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing.  However ... not a peep.  Apparently ... nothing was shared with Beth Holloway.

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

Another reason that I contend that Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" to distract from the trap/cage ... was derived from Kyle Kingman's own words.

Kyle may not have contacted Beth Holloway but ... Peter Devries was definitely in the know.

Think about it.  Considering he had knowledge ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor.

Instead ... a fifth "secret" recording was hastily put together in January, 2008 with the knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Janet
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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

Could it be that John Silvetti got wind that the contents of the trap which he afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy was about to be exposed and ... damaged control was where it was at.  I do not have a clue about Tim Trahan but ... Kyle Kingman did benefit from John Silvetti through career opportunities that summer.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.[/color] Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence ...

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »

According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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KYLE KINGMAN - CAREER OPPORTUNITIES?

SUMMER, 2008

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman

Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008
On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

<snipped>

The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt

It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

I contend that the Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" in an attempt to implicate only Joran ...  a minor on May 30, 2005 ... in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  In other words ... pacify the family and ... keep the closing of the Natalee Holloway case simple.

I believe the collaboration took place on January 29, 2008 when the plans were made for a "fifth car trip".

My following of possible hopeful outcomes of the Aruban "powers that be" were created in that meeting on January 29, 2008 and ... Peter Devries was in the loop.  This is the reason not a peep has been heard from this investigative reporter in regards to the trap/cage.

In other words ... on that day at the end of January, 2008 .... I suspect that Peter Devries became a participant in the Aruban cover up.  I suspect that Peter Devries became a participant in John Silvetti/Tim Trahan betrayal two week prior to the negotiations that took place with Kyle Kingman for the ROV footage.

I can only assume that there was a worthwhile compensation.

IMO.

Janet
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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

THE PROJECTED OUTCOMES OF THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING.

With out backup quotes ... the implications of the Range Rover "confession":

1.  The involvement of Paulus - a non issue.

2.  The involvement of the Kalpoes ... a non issue.

3.  The involvement of the sons of the elite ... a non issue.

4.  The observation of the gardener ... a non issue.

5.  The official interrogation statements of both witnesses and suspects ... a non issue.

6.  The suspicions that warranted detainment of the suspects ... a non issue.

7.  The coverup agenda which involved those from all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations as well as the judiciary ... a non issue.

8.  The contents of the trap/cage ... a non issue.

9.  The betrayal of John Silvetti and Tim Trahan ... a non issue.

10. ...

Then there is an implication that is beneficially huge.  The exoneration of the Kalpoes has most likely paved the road to a possible settlement in the defamation lawsuit brought agains Phil McGraw.  IMO.

While attempting to comprehend the Persistence story ... I have discovered that some who possess an Aruban agenda have successfully persuaded others who are held in high regard ... others who previously supported the contention that a coverup was preventing justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway ... to become participants for self-serving benefits.

Those successful pursuaders are now in a position to give credibility to their despicable actions ... their despicable words .... meant to further the Aruban coverup agenda.

Peter Devries is on my list of those who appears to have possibly been pursuaded to do a flip flopped.

When archives are considered ... in the Range Rover confession Joran lies about:

1.  Deepak and Satish's involvement
2.  Paulus' involvement
3.  Daury
4.  The payphone
5.  The manner of disposal.

When Jug and Beth's words regarding the questioning of Dennis Jacobs within hours of their arrive on the Island ... it appears that the only segment of the entire recording that has an element of truth is Natalee shaking.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio

February 13th, 2008

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/

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What evidence?
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Dana:  Now with as you know being involved in crime reporting for so long and my audience and myself not only as a talk show host but also as a law enforcement officer, we know that confessions aren’t always word for word the truth, and we hear this term or this name Daury come up.  As far as who this person is and what they’ve been a lot of speculation.  What can you tell us?  And a lot of people are saying that Daury is actually Paulus Vandersloot.

Peter:  Well, I don’t know that but what I can say is that I have the impression that Joran Vandersloot is protecting somebody else by mentioning the name of Daury.  During the first drive he told Patrick, our infiltrant  I never gonna mention the name of the guy who helped me, I will take that into my grave.  And the next day when we instructed the infiltrant to push a little bit on that name he was asking why don’t you tell me you can trust me and etc.  then he mentioned the name Daury.  But at that moment already we had the impression that he was protecting somebody else and just mentioned a name.  So who the helper really is, well that’s speculating.

<snipped>

Peter:  Well we continue our investigation.  At this moment we consider the case as solved in the way that Joran did confession on tape not once, not twice, but more than ten times on several days and together with the evidence which was already lying there I think you can say the case is solved but now it’s up to the Justice system to get him into jail.

Transcript Credit: Texasmom

I do not believe there is one person on this forum who believes Joran's words on the Range Rover recording which imply that the Kalpoes just dropped him and Natalee off at the beach and went home and ... Joran's words that state his father also had no involvement in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

When Devries gives both Paulus and the Kalpoes a pass and ... claims the Range Rover recording is a full confession and ... he has solved the case ... I draw the line on this investigative reporter's credibilty.

This forum has never given a pass to those who implied that Paulus and the Kalpoes were not involved in the events encompassing the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005.  Why is Peter Devries given a pass?

Janet

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THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

According to Devries ... the implication of the gardener's observation is a non issue.

Janet

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THE GARDENER

Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005

I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Nancy Grace - July 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN Larry King Live - February 23,2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

If Peter Devries believes Joran vander Sloot's claims in regards to the Kalpoes non-involvement ... I can only assume that he considers Steve Cohen's words ... regarding the suspects' off the record words  ... a non-issue.

Janet

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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case  and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.

Peter Devries states on his website and on the talk show circuit that he has received a full confession from Joran van der Sloot whose words  exonerates the Kalpoes.  Devries claims he has solved the case and the Kalpoes are innocent.

The exoneration of the Kalpoes in the Range Rover recording is huge.  Think about it.  If implicated ... Deepak and Satish would not go to the slaughter house like sheep.  These two have the ability to expose the truth ... the truth which would expose the participation of Joran, Paulus and the sons of the elite.

Janet

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PAULUS VANDER SLOOT

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

Page 151:  A few days later Paulus is arrested and questioned by Aruban police after they say he changed his story about what time he picked up Joran on the night Natalee disappeared.  First Paulus states that he picked “them” up at McDonald’s at four in the morning on May 30.  We do not know who he means by “them.”  Later he changes his story completely, saying he picked Joran up at eleven at night on May 29 at McDonald’s.  By making this change, his story now coincides with the one Joran gave police on June 9.  But according to Aruban police officials it also makes Paulus another lying witness.


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) ... Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …


THE SONS OF THE ELITE

'Scarborough Country' - August 29, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:   Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

Peter

Did you did not listen to the Range Rover tape or ... did you not read the transcript.  The disposal of a body is not the issue.  Joran concedes he cannot be sure that Natalee Holloway was dead when she was taken out to sea and dumped.  Why are you not saying it how it is?  Could it be that the plan went awry and ... Joran did implicate himself in serious wrongdoing?

Janet

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?

Joran: She didn't move anymore.

Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?"

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma, I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead. Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead. Could've been a coma"

The archives reveal that Joran lied about everything EXCEPT the segment regarding Natalee having an apparent seizure.

Please note.  It appears Joran is not too consistent regarding disposal of Natalee.  Apparently ... in one of the drives Joran claims he assisted in dumping Natalee Holloway overboard.  Where does the trap/cage fit into the Range Rover confession.  It appears to be a non-issue.

How could Peter Devries claim that his work resulted in a full confession and ... he has solved the case?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 -
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2008, 01:41:46 AM »

Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.  

Joran: Yes, that's what I said.

Question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.
Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

Question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

Translation - Marco@RU

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336476;topicseen#msg336476

The following quote implies to me that Louis Shaeffer was in the dark regarding the implication of the ROV footing up until the time that Kyle and Tim T. made the decision to benefit through the Networks.  It appears that bringing Shaeffer in on it all was the result of a technicality in regards to rights to the ROV footage.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:    She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
 
The next step:

I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

Nobody should underestimate Beth Holloway's insight.  Beth's initial reaction to the preview of the Range Rover confession recording was the same as my reaction when I watched the Special.  It was not until sometime later that I realized that all was not how it first appeared.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

Peter R. DeVries: “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:“No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty: “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:“Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty: “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:“He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty: “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries: “It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:“Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty: “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:“To you.”

Beth Twitty: “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty: “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:“He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty: “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:“But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty: “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

If the following quote is taken into consideration ... logic dictates that Beth Holloway must have her doubts regarding the Range Rover confession recording in regards to Joran implying that Natalee's demise took place on the beach.

Janet

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CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00   ET

TED ROWLANDS, GUEST HOST: Tonight, Natalee Holloway's parents speak out. Now that the chief suspect in her disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot, has talked, nearly nine months after their beautiful daughter vanished in Aruba, Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, and her dad, Dave Holloway, talk about trying to keep hope alive. ....

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I think that was one of his excuses of why they stopped at his apartment. His apartment, by the way, is detached away from the main residence. And, you know, if you've got an individual that you're going to take advantage of, it's not likely that you're going to go to the beach. You're going to go to your apartment. And we believe that's where they stopped, and that's where the incident occurred.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

Credit: Kermit[/b]

I was a believer in the Range Rover confession for a short time following the Special but ... then I began to dissect Joran's claims one at a time and ... came to the conclusion when compared with the archives that ALL his words ...  other than the shaking ... were nothing but lies ... lies that conformed perfectly with the furthering the Aruban cover up agenda of deception.

As Wreck point out ... the location of the "shaking" could also be another lie.

Janet

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Other than Joran's "confession" on the Range Rover recording ... Joran's "confession" that he witnessed Natalee shaking ... archives imply the rest of his words were all lies and ... those lies had the ability to"

1.  exonerate the Kalpoes.
2.  exonerate Paulus.
3.  exonerate the sons of the elite.
4.  negate the corrupt investigation.
5.  negate the witness and suspect statements.
6.  negate the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
7.  pacify the family of Natalee Holloway.
8.  close the Natalee Holloway case.
9.  negate the contents of the trap/cage.
10.  negate Joran's actual extent of wrongdoing.

The outcomes of the Range Rover "confession" recording fit perfectly into the Aruban coverup agenda.  This is why I believe that the "fifth car trip" secret meeting in January between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" was a collaboration intended to bring closure the the Natalee Holloway case with Joran vander Sloot taking the fall for disposal of a body which would warrant a slap on the wrist if anything ... while giving the family of Natalee a measure of closure..

Think about it.  The Aruban "powers the be" were in the know regarding the trap/cage.  Aruban divers had recovered the contents on January 1, 2008.

Janet

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008
 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

The following quote tells me that in June, 2008 ... Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer were attempting to expose ... without the knowledge of John Silvetti ... the ROV footage as proof that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been in that trap.

Obviously ... at this point ... Louis Schaefer haS not yet sold the rights to the ROV footage.

Considering Beth Holloway was never contacted ... I believe that potential lawsuits against Louis Schaefer ... the owner of the boat ... were behind a decision not to proceed with revealing the images within the ROV footage.

Think about it.  Those ... private and corporate ... who donated to the Persistence endeavor ... donated with the understanding that the only objective was to locate Natalee Holloway's remains in the name of justice for Natalee and closure for the family ... would not remain quiet if the encompassing self-beneficial dynamics were realized.

1.  John Silvetti's conflict of interest - business opportunities in the region.
2.  Louis Schaefer's mapping of oil (?).

Janet

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ROV FOOTAGE - THE BIG CARD!

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - June 10/08:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.

Kyle Kingman - June 16/08:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John  (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg679597;topicseen#

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


JOHN SILVETTI - CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

I contend there is not one person on this forum who believes Joran's words on the Range Rover recording which imply that the Kalpoes just dropped him and Natalee off at the beach and went home ... no other involvement.  However ... Peter Devries is a believer.

When Devries gives the Kalpoes a pass and ... claims the Range Rover recording is a full confession and ... he has solved the case ... I draw the line on this investigative reporter's credibilty.

The exonerating of Deepak and Satish implies that the truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus and the sons of the elite will never be revealed.  If these two were implicated ... they would talk.

This forum has never given a pass to those who implied Kalpoes were not involved in the events encompassing the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005.  They would be consider trolls with an Aruban agenda.

Why is Peter Devries given a pass?

Janet

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THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

If the Range Rover confession was a collaboration between Peter Devries and the Aruban "powers that be" in regards to the "fifth car trip" ... I contend that one of the projected outcomes would have been to distance the January 1, 2008 recovery of the contents of the trap/cage by the Aruban divers.  In other words ... Peter Devries has become part of the cover up.

Another projected outcome would be to distance Paulus and the Kalpoes from direct implication in the events that encompass the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

All three of above projected outcomes were accomplished.

While attempting to comprehend the Persistence story ... I have discovered that some who possess an Aruban agenda have successfully persuaded others who are held in high regard ... others who previously supported the contention that a coverup was preventing justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway ... to become participants for self-serving benefits.

Those successful pursuaders are now in a position to give credibility to their despicable actions ... their despicable words .... meant to further the Aruban coverup agenda.

Peter Devries is on my list of those who appears to have possibly been pursuaded to do a flip flopped.

After Spencer Bachus the meeting with the Aruban delegation which  included Adoph Richardson ... he flip flopped.  Spencer emerged from the meeting upholding the corrupt Aruban investigation which had prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

It is apparent that many tend to flip flop from their original position once a connection is established with the Aruban "powers that be" within the Natalee Holloway case.

However ... some who flip flop are given a pass.  However ... Spencer Bacus was not.  Speculation regarding his motives was where it was at.
 
Janet

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PRIOR TO THE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH AN ARUBAN AGENDA

Birmingham News -  June 5, 2005

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
 
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off


FOLLOWING THE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH AN ARUBAN AGENDA

CBS News - December 16, 2005

(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml

What happen to the playing the "Big Card".  Could it be that it was at this point that John Silvetti got wind that the contents of the trap which he afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy was about to be exposed and ... damaged control was where it was at.  I do not have a clue about Tim Trahan but ... Kyle Kingman did benefit from John Silvetti through career opportunities that summer.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.[/color] Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence ...

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »

According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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KYLE KINGMAN - CAREER OPPORTUNITIES?

SUMMER, 2008

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman

Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008

On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

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The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt

It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

Logic dictates that collaborating with enemy is only going to further the Aruban agenda that is preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Considering his chosen profession of investigative reporter ... I will give Peter Devries the benefit of the doubt that he comprehends.

Janet

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On the Record w/ Greta - February 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


On the Record w/ Treta - April 5, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.