Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 - 2/5/09

[always 1]

What...am I here by myself???
Where is...Keepthefaith, Icehawk, klaasend, thecuz, Magnolia, hotping, San, Lifesong, texasmom, Blue Moon, cubbeegirl, A's Fever, ospainter, Mere, cp405, iris44, truthseeker2, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle and 17 Guests are viewing this topic.

Don't make me say goodnight before I get a response...Hay...the Cardinals lost....(they were robbed by the ref crew)....But it is OVER...Let's get back to Justice for Natalee....
come across...

You forgot me!!!!  But if all of that is true and you believe that was Natalee ( I dont) then the story of NH is over.  All that is left is the punishment stage.  That has been taken away from us.  What kind of punishment would you recommend for Kyle???? 

always 1...punishment is a long way ahead....
first, kyle needs to tell the truth about what he knows/observed while on the persistence..then, based on those results..the next step should become obvious...

Thank you for the anwser.  May I ask one more question, then I will be quiet.  Do you believe Beth is satisfied that that was Natalee in the trap???

[Lifesong]

Iris, the COVER-UP was by the Aruban police and dive team that was allowed to happen under the Persistence's watch.  JMO

That, I can believe.  I believe Schaefer, Silvetti and maybe even Tim Miller just lost control of the situation due to the on the ship presence of MOS and ALE. 

No one, to my recollection, has yet been able to sufficiently explain how there are evidence bags containing what certainly appear to be bones, (but obviously evidence, nonetheless) sitting in the very same cage that ALE dived on for the specific purpose of collecting that evidence; this being the very same cage that Tim Trehan gave a thumbs down on and said "nothing" referring to what was there; and the 2 dives on this very same cage were the ONLY human dives performed the entire 4 months.

That doesn't sound like losing control to me.

It sounds hinky.

Lifesong, I am no expert and it would be difficult to give a complete explanation or analysis from what I have seen on the internet, but I believe the ziplock bags were photoshopped.

    

Oh my.  Then we need to talk about that.
I'll brb - gonna repost the pics...

(Did I mention  ?)

[iris44]

"Kermit did the right thing by making this information public at Beth Holloway's request (albeit 2 months after she asked us to do so thanks to the need to avoid litigation)."

By who's request Iris44?

Of course I have a theory on this, too. I could be wrong but I think this has gotten kind of twisted around from Kermit asking Beth if it was OK to post this to this newer version of Beth asking for it to be posted.  My impression of Beth is that she wants any and all information to come out, so her telling Kermit to post it is just her blanket response, and that it was not a unique response to Kermit's specific information.  I've always got the sense that she doesn't want anyone to hold back any information, even if it is disturbing to her.  She is very brave.

Iris44.They sent a compilation of their research to Beth Holloway.From what i understand it is not a generalization,and or a blanket statement.They sent her the information.She talked to someone she trusted.She then gave the OK.That's my understanding from posts made here!Not a unique response after they sent her the research?How is that a logical assesment??

Hope you're right.  I'm sure John Q will get to the bottom of it.

[billb's daughter]

JEN

ktf, I think you misunderstood nimrod.  I think maybe nimrod meant that we will probably never get to the bottom of what happened with the cage, and it would be a shame for us to be accusing the Americans on the Persistence of a coverup, if that is not true.    As far as we know, the family is very appreciative of Schaefer and Silvetti for the search, and consider them heroes.  The search would likely never would have happened without them.  There can't be that many vessels, and that many people with access to the equipment who would do something like this.  I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.  They gave their time and money and maybe they tried their best and they just didn't succeed and there is no coverup.

Got rid of the majority of posts...so I'm not accused of being a stackaholic...
iris..I think you missed the point..
As far as we know, the family is very appreciative of Schaefer and Silvetti for the search, and consider them heroes. we don't know..that is the point.
The search would likely never would have happened without them. disagree...there most likely would be another group to come along; even if not... That is why it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to not dismiss the perception that louis/john took ADVANTAGE of the situation to USE the search for NATALEE (while mapping the ocean floor around aruba in search of oil) as a way to get CONTRIBUTIONS UNDER FALSE PRETENSIONS!

US C corporations are only allowed to deduct 10% of their net income for contribution expense in any given year.  The rest of it can be carried forward to future years, but still can only take the 10% of net income each year.  Which, could be a substantial deduction if they have income.   I'm sure all the companies involved took every deduction possible, just like all businesses do.  I read a quote from Tim Miller and he said the search would have never happened without them.  If it was my daughter I would not care if they were mapping the floor for oil at the same time. 

I have also read and seen interviews with both Dave and Beth saying how grateful they are to Schaefer, Silvetti and the crew.

"The IRS has imposed restrictions in the amount that a C Corporation may deduct for Charitable contributions made to a Charitable Foundation. In general, the corporations have no restrictions on the amount of charitable contributions that they make. However, obtaining a current year tax deduction is another matter.

The IRS rules state the the Corporation is entitled to deduct up to a maximum of 10% of a Corporations net taxable income without consideration of NOL and Charitable contribution. In other words, calculate the taxable income without deduction of charitable contribution, and a maximum limit is 10% of this taxable income.

Assuming a Corporation has no taxable income, then that Corporation would not be able to deduct charitable contributions for that calendar year, instead it will simply carry this deduction over to the future years subject to the normal charitable deductions limitations."
 

iris....
I guess i am slow, but i miss your point...

[Lifesong]

JEN

ktf, I think you misunderstood nimrod.  I think maybe nimrod meant that we will probably never get to the bottom of what happened with the cage, and it would be a shame for us to be accusing the Americans on the Persistence of a coverup, if that is not true.    As far as we know, the family is very appreciative of Schaefer and Silvetti for the search, and consider them heroes.  The search would likely never would have happened without them.  There can't be that many vessels, and that many people with access to the equipment who would do something like this.  I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.  They gave their time and money and maybe they tried their best and they just didn't succeed and there is no coverup.

Got rid of the majority of posts...so I'm not accused of being a stackaholic...
iris..I think you missed the point..
As far as we know, the family is very appreciative of Schaefer and Silvetti for the search, and consider them heroes. we don't know..that is the point.
The search would likely never would have happened without them. disagree...there most likely would be another group to come along; even if not... That is why it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to not dismiss the perception that louis/john took ADVANTAGE of the situation to USE the search for NATALEE (while mapping the ocean floor around aruba in search of oil) as a way to get CONTRIBUTIONS UNDER FALSE PRETENSIONS!

US C corporations are only allowed to deduct 10% of their net income for contribution expense in any given year.  The rest of it can be carried forward to future years, but still can only take the 10% of net income each year.  Which, could be a substantial deduction if they have income.   I'm sure all the companies involved took every deduction possible, just like all businesses do.  I read a quote from Tim Miller and he said the search would have never happened without them.  If it was my daughter I would not care if they were mapping the floor for oil at the same time. 

I have also read and seen interviews with both Dave and Beth saying how grateful they are to Schaefer, Silvetti and the crew.

"The IRS has imposed restrictions in the amount that a C Corporation may deduct for Charitable contributions made to a Charitable Foundation. In general, the corporations have no restrictions on the amount of charitable contributions that they make. However, obtaining a current year tax deduction is another matter.

The IRS rules state the the Corporation is entitled to deduct up to a maximum of 10% of a Corporations net taxable income without consideration of NOL and Charitable contribution. In other words, calculate the taxable income without deduction of charitable contribution, and a maximum limit is 10% of this taxable income.

Assuming a Corporation has no taxable income, then that Corporation would not be able to deduct charitable contributions for that calendar year, instead it will simply carry this deduction over to the future years subject to the normal charitable deductions limitations."
 

iris....
I guess i am slow, but i miss your point...

I'm sorry billb - I know you're 99 and all, but...

Stackaholic!

      

[iris44]

Good grief!  Tim Miller has to be in good graces with ALE to ever set foot on that island again.  Remember he did search for Jose Tromp as well as Natalee.  Tim did not openly support a boycott, said he had nothing bad to say about Aruba, etc. because otherwise, he would not be allowed to search.

With all that has happened in his life in the past year from taking a direct hit from hurricane to the disaster that the search for Caylee was for TES, did anyone ever think he just might have not picked up on every detail in any of this?  Like the fact that only ALE had access to the trap?

And after all they did to him, Tim was trying to return to Orlando for George Anthony's recent problems. 

He is the ultimate uniter, never judgmental and seeking retirement.  He manages to get alone with all parties from all sides.  With possibly one exception, lol.

I think he's smart like a fox, and doesn't miss much.  That's alot of stress, though.

[Anna]

There are more advantages than just tax purposes to be on a humanitarian effort than commercial one in regards to oil exploration these days.

But by allowing ALE exclusive access to the contents of the trap, we are now guaranteed that NO ONE will ever know the real contents.

For me, that's the problem.  The not being able to ever know for a fact certain.

[Anna]

There are more advantages than just tax purposes to be on a humanitarian effort than commercial one in regards to oil exploration these days.

But my by allowing ALE exclusive access to the contents of the trap, we are now guaranteed that NO ONE will ever know the real contents.

For me, that's the problem.  The not being able to ever know for a fact certain.

 

Edit "my" to "by"!

MODS!  Please change my original post, too.  Otherwise it will be quited and posted all over that I just confessed to the whole thing!!
Would be funny if we didn't have so many crackpots who apparently have nothing else to do but monitor posts, etc.


 

[Lifesong]

[Anna]

Good grief!  Tim Miller has to be in good graces with ALE to ever set foot on that island again.  Remember he did search for Jose Tromp as well as Natalee.  Tim did not openly support a boycott, said he had nothing bad to say about Aruba, etc. because otherwise, he would not be allowed to search.

With all that has happened in his life in the past year from taking a direct hit from hurricane to the disaster that the search for Caylee was for TES, did anyone ever think he just might have not picked up on every detail in any of this?  Like the fact that only ALE had access to the trap?

And after all they did to him, Tim was trying to return to Orlando for George Anthony's recent problems. 

He is the ultimate uniter, never judgmental and seeking retirement.  He manages to get alone with all parties from all sides.  With possibly one exception, lol.

I think he's smart like a fox, and doesn't miss much.  That's alot of stress, though.

Don't forget the hospitalizations with chest pains and bleeding ulcer.  He copes as best he can but is a human being.  And in the end he doesn't have the power to change anything at all.  He recently stated in the Caylee case that he is only a searcher.  Period.  In other words, he doesn't get into arbitration.

[Magnolia]

I do not think for a minute those pictures are photoshopped.
Even CapsLockWizzaed offered up the explaination from
John Silvetti that the water played tricks with the pictures.

[iris44]

 
[/quote]
iris....
I guess i am slow, but i miss your point...
[/quote]


ktf, I think my point is I have to get off this board and get some real tax work done!

But I guess my main point is that I doubt that there would have been another opportunity like that for such a massive sea search for Natalee.  To get those resources of ship, proper equipment, and the right people together was a massive undertaking.  If they did mapping for oil at the same time, that is between them and the IRS.  Every business client I have deducts expenses they shouldn't be deducting (vacations, car purchases and car insurance for the whole family, etc, etc.)  Schaefer is described as a "treasure hunter".  What kind of treasure hunter wants to come home without the treasure?

Gotta go...goodnight.

[Lifesong]

Ok, Monkey Mia.  I'm all ready! (And not a bit excited to have some new ground to cover...does it show?)

I don't need a full technical explanation of your theory, I assume you think maybe Kyle photoshopped evidence bags in the cage and was trying to sell them for money?

Heh heh heh. 

Don hazmat suits and prepare for scrolling, Monkeys.  This line of conversation might upset some folk.

[billb's daughter]

What...am I here by myself???
Where is...Keepthefaith, Icehawk, klaasend, thecuz, Magnolia, hotping, San, Lifesong, texasmom, Blue Moon, cubbeegirl, A's Fever, ospainter, Mere, cp405, iris44, truthseeker2, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle and 17 Guests are viewing this topic.

Don't make me say goodnight before I get a response...Hay...the Cardinals lost....(they were robbed by the ref crew)....But it is OVER...Let's get back to Justice for Natalee....
come across...

You forgot me!!!!  But if all of that is true and you believe that was Natalee ( I dont) then the story of NH is over.  All that is left is the punishment stage.  That has been taken away from us.  What kind of punishment would you recommend for Kyle???? 

always 1...punishment is a long way ahead....
first, kyle needs to tell the truth about what he knows/observed while on the persistence..then, based on those results..the next step should become obvious...

Thank you for the anwser.  May I ask one more question, then I will be quiet.  Do you believe Beth is satisfied that that was Natalee in the trap???

Always 1.....
I have no idea what Beth may think.....do I think that was Natalee in the cage?
I do not know...but under the circumstances revealed by Kermit, backed up by many freebirds who were also online when kyle posted at Freebirds...I have to think there is evidence that has to be exposed....
Consider this...aruba is an island...Natalee has not been seen since May 30th 2005...multiple investigators has said there is a possibility that she was disposed of in a crap trap off the coast of aruba...the persistence found a crap cage off the coast of aruba....where is the contents of that crab cage?
You don't have to be quiet....if we were all quiet......we would not need a forum......

[always 1]

What...am I here by myself???
Where is...Keepthefaith, Icehawk, klaasend, thecuz, Magnolia, hotping, San, Lifesong, texasmom, Blue Moon, cubbeegirl, A's Fever, ospainter, Mere, cp405, iris44, truthseeker2, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle and 17 Guests are viewing this topic.

Don't make me say goodnight before I get a response...Hay...the Cardinals lost....(they were robbed by the ref crew)....But it is OVER...Let's get back to Justice for Natalee....
come across...

You forgot me!!!!  But if all of that is true and you believe that was Natalee ( I dont) then the story of NH is over.  All that is left is the punishment stage.  That has been taken away from us.  What kind of punishment would you recommend for Kyle???? 

always 1...punishment is a long way ahead....
first, kyle needs to tell the truth about what he knows/observed while on the persistence..then, based on those results..the next step should become obvious...

Thank you for the anwser.  May I ask one more question, then I will be quiet.  Do you believe Beth is satisfied that that was Natalee in the trap???

Always 1.....
I have no idea what Beth may think.....do I think that was Natalee in the cage?
I do not know...but under the circumstances revealed by Kermit, backed up by many freebirds who were also online when kyle posted at Freebirds...I have to think there is evidence that has to be exposed....
Consider this...aruba is an island...Natalee has not been seen since May 30th 2005...multiple investigators has said there is a possibility that she was disposed of in a crap trap off the coast of aruba...the persistence found a crap cage off the coast of aruba....where is the contents of that crab cage?
You don't have to be quiet....if we were all quiet......we would not need a forum......

Good point.  Thank you for the answers.  Nite nite.

[billb's daughter]

JEN

ktf, I think you misunderstood nimrod.  I think maybe nimrod meant that we will probably never get to the bottom of what happened with the cage, and it would be a shame for us to be accusing the Americans on the Persistence of a coverup, if that is not true.    As far as we know, the family is very appreciative of Schaefer and Silvetti for the search, and consider them heroes.  The search would likely never would have happened without them.  There can't be that many vessels, and that many people with access to the equipment who would do something like this.  I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.  They gave their time and money and maybe they tried their best and they just didn't succeed and there is no coverup.

Got rid of the majority of posts...so I'm not accused of being a stackaholic...
iris..I think you missed the point..
As far as we know, the family is very appreciative of Schaefer and Silvetti for the search, and consider them heroes. we don't know..that is the point.
The search would likely never would have happened without them. disagree...there most likely would be another group to come along; even if not... That is why it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to not dismiss the perception that louis/john took ADVANTAGE of the situation to USE the search for NATALEE (while mapping the ocean floor around aruba in search of oil) as a way to get CONTRIBUTIONS UNDER FALSE PRETENSIONS!

US C corporations are only allowed to deduct 10% of their net income for contribution expense in any given year.  The rest of it can be carried forward to future years, but still can only take the 10% of net income each year.  Which, could be a substantial deduction if they have income.   I'm sure all the companies involved took every deduction possible, just like all businesses do.  I read a quote from Tim Miller and he said the search would have never happened without them.  If it was my daughter I would not care if they were mapping the floor for oil at the same time. 

I have also read and seen interviews with both Dave and Beth saying how grateful they are to Schaefer, Silvetti and the crew.

"The IRS has imposed restrictions in the amount that a C Corporation may deduct for Charitable contributions made to a Charitable Foundation. In general, the corporations have no restrictions on the amount of charitable contributions that they make. However, obtaining a current year tax deduction is another matter.

The IRS rules state the the Corporation is entitled to deduct up to a maximum of 10% of a Corporations net taxable income without consideration of NOL and Charitable contribution. In other words, calculate the taxable income without deduction of charitable contribution, and a maximum limit is 10% of this taxable income.

Assuming a Corporation has no taxable income, then that Corporation would not be able to deduct charitable contributions for that calendar year, instead it will simply carry this deduction over to the future years subject to the normal charitable deductions limitations."
 

iris....
I guess i am slow, but i miss your point...

I'm sorry billb - I know you're 99 and all, but...

Stackaholic!

      

Lifesong......I'm with you...I'm a stackaholic and looking for help!!

[cajun miracle]

Nite Ya'll. Keep searching.

Cajun Miracle

[iris44]

If that cage is really 2.5 feet tall, all of that stuff is way too small to be bones (or skull).  I wonder how big each little square is.

[Lifesong]

Always 1.....
I have no idea what Beth may think.....do I think that was Natalee in the cage?
I do not know...but under the circumstances revealed by Kermit, backed up by many freebirds who were also online when kyle posted at Freebirds...I have to think there is evidence that has to be exposed....
Consider this...aruba is an island...Natalee has not been seen since May 30th 2005...multiple investigators has said there is a possibility that she was disposed of in a crap trap off the coast of aruba...the persistence found a crap cage off the coast of aruba....where is the contents of that crab cage?
You don't have to be quiet....if we were all quiet......we would not need a forum......

billb, you have me laughing tonight!

crap trap      crap trap           crap trap          

[Puzzler]

BTW, I do hear from robots from time to time.  Remember he did hold his breathe when I didn't post and we have stayed loosely in touch.  He was fine last time I heard.

I think this site loads slowly for him and he gets lots and lots of popups which always annoy robots.

I have asked him several times to post and told him when he was mentioned and missed.  Like the rest of us, I know he cares deeply about what happened to Natalee but does have real life responsibilities.

Anna...thanks.