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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007 (Read 254108 times)
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Tylergal
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
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December 17, 2007, 09:48:07 PM »
Quote from: Magnolia on December 17, 2007, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on December 17, 2007, 09:14:52 PM
Good evening Monkeys. Just wanted to check on how the Persistance is doing.
They went out today and started the search, but were going to come
into port tonight. Did you know that Robots is with them?
New infor in on their blog.
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December 17, 2007, 09:49:58 PM »
Short translation of the Jorg -article.
The unspoken thought behind the article in the Amigoe is that the Justice dpt should count in the damage Aruba could suffer by reopening the Holloway-case.
We - the OM - however are independent and although we realize what happens outside , we will not bough for orchestrated or orchestrated media-violence, certainly not when we think we might have the key in our hands to solve this crime.
Besides that , what is more damaging : not doing everything you can to solve it or trying as hard as you possibly can and fail?
A second point is the different language spoken by journalists and us.The Amigoe presents this case as a sort of sporting match , with a loser and a winner. That is also the image the American press creates: the OM against the Defense both with their own truth and a passive jury who decides who won the game.
That's not how we operate , we have a judge who himself participates in the prices of finding the truth , and finally decides what IS the truth. The DA and the police simply provide the stones to build the truth.
That the DA and the judge can have different opinions on the question if the proof delivered is enough for a case does not mean the DA did a bad job.Because if a judge would always agree with the DA's office , he would be no more than a rubber stamp.
Even if the DA's office is uncertain about how a case will end , they sometimes must have the courage to take a case to court. Even if this means taking the risk of a not guilty sentence.
Finally , although we gave as much information as we could , the Amigoe missed one important thing:the DA's office can only order a rearrest if there are new facts.So the only legal ground on which we could arrest the suspects for a second time was indeed because we had new evidence.
The judge who gave permission to the new arrests agreed that this evidence was new , otherwise the DA would simply not have been given green light.
At that moment we did not know if the interrogations about this evidence would provide enough to continue the case.
Finally the judge said it was not enough.This was of course also influenced by the suspects , who all chose to remain completely silent.
It is their right to do so , but that does not mean the DA should not confront them with the new evidence and try to make them react on it.
We could have simply asked them to come in , but they did not want to do that voluntarily.
After their first release the suspects stated that someday they would tell what had in fact happened.
Well ,we were very curious about that , and we did not want to wait until they someday might talk.
Would you all forgive us if we - after all this investigating and finally finding things that did not match former statements - had not put the key in the lock and tried to open it?
Would you forgive us if we had thought: well , it's quiet now , let us do nothing? Sorry for the girl and her parents , but better for Aruba's image?
N.Jorg.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8015.15
Translation courtesy of Poster DutchDad @ BFN
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Hope this wasn't already posted but I think it was. Maybe this is a more simple translation.
So the Boss of Mos is defending him and saying once again that they DID have new evidence.
But Will It Go Round in Circles?
I think this surely would.
Tyler has always said Rudy Croes was behind all the malfeasance in this investigation and I am inclined to agree as it would seem that is what Mos and his boss Jorg are saying.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
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December 17, 2007, 09:53:44 PM »
Quote from: Nut44x4 on December 17, 2007, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on December 17, 2007, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: Nut44x4 on December 17, 2007, 07:03:23 PM
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
New post
I know that I am dumb as a box of rocks, but I just realized that
the Persistence has a Robot to explore the ocean floor.
Like in the Titanic search.
I wonder if it is a relative of Robots?
Perhaps it IS him, lol. I haven't seen him today
Well, then, perhaps he will give us an update.
Seems the least he can do since so many of us have bet the farm and all on his say so.
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Quote from: Anna on December 17, 2007, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: Nut44x4 on December 17, 2007, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on December 17, 2007, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: Nut44x4 on December 17, 2007, 07:03:23 PM
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
New post
I know that I am dumb as a box of rocks, but I just realized that
the Persistence has a Robot to explore the ocean floor.
Like in the Titanic search.
I wonder if it is a relative of Robots?
Perhaps it IS him, lol. I haven't seen him today
Well, then, perhaps he will give us an update.
Seems the least he can do since so many of us have bet the farm and all on his say so.
.
That Robots has probably got the whole Persistence crew in one of those
$100 buy in poker games......now we'll never get any work out of them.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
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December 17, 2007, 10:12:07 PM »
Quote from: Magnolia on December 17, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
Thanks Magnolia...by the way, do you have a great fudge recipe you want to share? I know this is OT but you have such great recipes!
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O/T But this is my favorite and it never fails. with or without nuts.
3 cups sugar
3/4 cup butter
2/3 cup evaporated milk (Pet Milk)
1 12-oz. (340 g) package semi-sweet chocolate chips
1 7-oz. (198 g) jar Kraft Marshmallow creme
1 cup chopped nuts
1 tablespoon vanilla
Combine sugar, margarine and milk in heavy 2-1/2 quart saucepan; bring to full rolling bail, stirring constantly. Continue boiling 5 minutes over medium heat, stirring. Remove from heat, stir in chocolate till melted. Add marshmallow creme, nuts & vanilla beat till blended. Pour into greased 13 x 9-inch baking pan. Let cool and cut into 1-inch squares.
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Thanks!!
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December 17, 2007, 10:15:30 PM »
Quote from: ******* on December 17, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: oceanexploration on December 17, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
The search is underway. Check the blog often. We began with a bathymetric survey of the entire area (underway now), followed by the high-res sonar search (within a couple days). Weather is beautiful (15-20kt trades) and the seas are 2-4s.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com
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December 17, 2007, 10:16:29 PM »
Quote from: msmarple on December 17, 2007, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: sirensong on December 17, 2007, 05:42:57 PM
Is someone still posting all this stuff in the Murder & Crime thread? What a God forsaken place that rock is. Constant prayers for the search!
Yes indeedy. (although a little backup would be good, folks - I might miss something!)
Yes, MsMarple is doing a wunnerful job. But if you see any major crimes in the papers, it's best to always report it so we can be sure she gets it for her totals.
Link is in both my and her signatures.
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December 17, 2007, 10:21:36 PM »
Anna, thanks for bringing that translation over. I looked at 3 different translations, and never could really figure out what it was saying. Yum, Magnolia, thanks for the fudge recipe!
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December 17, 2007, 10:24:04 PM »
AND....MsMarple, thank you for all your work and efforts on the Crime thread. I always feel that if anyone is going to take a vacation, they will google and find this thread, and go "OMG, I will never go to that hell hole. And everyone said it was so safe. Doesn't look safe at all"
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Quote from: klaasend on December 17, 2007, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on December 17, 2007, 09:03:47 PM
No they don't!!
Klaas ... try accessing through the google address bar ... not just by clicking from the link I posted.
Thanks
Janet
That works for me too. Hopefully it's just a localized glitch that will resolve itself by tomorrow.
Thanks Klaas
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Quote from: hotping on December 17, 2007, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 17, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: oceanexploration on December 17, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
The search is underway. Check the blog often. We began with a bathymetric survey of the entire area (underway now), followed by the high-res sonar search (within a couple days). Weather is beautiful (15-20kt trades) and the seas are 2-4s.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com
The Lord shall send his angel with you and make your journey successful.
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Welcome hotping.
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For hotping
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Quote from: ******* on December 17, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: oceanexploration on December 17, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
The search is underway. Check the blog often. We began with a bathymetric survey of the entire area (underway now), followed by the high-res sonar search (within a couple days). Weather is beautiful (15-20kt trades) and the seas are 2-4s.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com
The Lord shall send his angel with you and make your journey successful.
-Genesis 24:40
Welcome Hotping....that is an inspirational bible verse.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
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Quote from: hotping on December 17, 2007, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 17, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: oceanexploration on December 17, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
The search is underway. Check the blog often. We began with a bathymetric survey of the entire area (underway now), followed by the high-res sonar search (within a couple days). Weather is beautiful (15-20kt trades) and the seas are 2-4s.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com
The Lord shall send his angel with you and make your journey successful.
-Genesis 24:40
Have been waiting for your 1st post...welcome
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I know some smart Monkey can find it but remind me about the fraud with credit cards at JP Morgan Stanley, the Dutch, etc., in charging overdue fees before due date. Am I just thinking I remember this, or did it really happen? I know this is where Joran's defense account was set up because I remember Letter Relay talking about it on the RF throwing up yet forum?
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RU throwing up, I slopped cpffee on my keboard and it is tying crazy.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
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December 17, 2007, 11:08:28 PM »
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on December 17, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: hotping on December 17, 2007, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 17, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: oceanexploration on December 17, 2007, 04:56:19 PM
The search is underway. Check the blog often. We began with a bathymetric survey of the entire area (underway now), followed by the high-res sonar search (within a couple days). Weather is beautiful (15-20kt trades) and the seas are 2-4s.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com
The Lord shall send his angel with you and make your journey successful.
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Have been waiting for your 1st post...welcome
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Thank You Very Much for the Nice Monkey Welcome...I feel Very Priviledged..hotping
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Thank you
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sirensong
. (re. M&C thread) I also hope that thread turns up in searches.
Welcome
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Welcome Hotping
- I've been a bit under the weather the last few days so I apologize for not welcoming you sooner!
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