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Buckeye
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July 22, 2006, 11:12:30 AM »
Since the Dutch feel Aruba is so independent....it would cost Aruba a whole lot less than 13 million to make a law requiring 30 days of jail time to anyone who picks up a tourist. If the tourist signs a waiver, AFTER returning to their home, the local could be released. If a tourist disappears, the local is jailed until the tourist reappears.
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July 22, 2006, 11:15:29 AM »
Quote from: "Anna"
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I am concerned that Arubans think Joran is innocent because they are told that there is not one shred of evidence against him--and not told that is because ALE refused to collect it.
I don't think for one minute that seeing him about and having a grand old time bothers them at all because of this. I wish it did but just think they still trust their ALE and think this some unjust attack on their innocent island. Going to be hard to change their opinion, too. They want to think this is not their own fault.
JMO.
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not to mention that evidence they DID have is now in the garbage dump....or where ever they trashed it.
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Quote from: "Anna"
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I am concerned that Arubans think Joran is innocent because they are told that there is not one shred of evidence against him--and not told that is because ALE refused to collect it.
I don't think for one minute that seeing him about and having a grand old time bothers them at all because of this. I wish it did but just think they still trust their ALE and think this some unjust attack on their innocent island. Going to be hard to change their opinion, too. They want to think this is not their own fault.
JMO.
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I agree. They are used to being told what to think and what to believe. How many of those that are schooled in the states, return to the island??
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July 22, 2006, 11:17:11 AM »
Hi monkeys, just a flyby but I had to jump in and say ...
(from their web site, with some bolded for emphasis only because I have heard of them:)
"Marriott Lodging operates and franchises hotels under the following brands:
Marriott Hotels & Resorts
JW Marriott Hotels & Resorts
Renaissance
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Courtyard by Marriott
Residence Inn
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The Ritz-Carlton Club
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Grand Residences
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BUT - From what the Inside Edition transcript says, Joran isn't registered there; must be the gf.
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Quote from: "msmarple"
BUT - From what the Inside Edition transcript says, Joran isn't registered there; must be the gf.
Or he registered under a fake name. Any pimps or loverboys registered?
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July 22, 2006, 11:25:43 AM »
A quick post before I go out to do yardwork... have been stallling all a.m.
I believe that most islands offer a significant discount to locals for staying in hotels. (Dad lived in Caribbean for years) It helps when occupancy is not 100% and gives locals a nice getaway. (so one can't say Joran is living like a king -- probably not an expensive stay)
Assuming this young blonde is NOT local, I find it hard to believe she'd be paying a tourist rate when the Sloots could get her and addtl. 50% off. (approx.) Course maybe another local name was used for the reservation.
This girl is familiar - very familiar to me. I am 99.9% sure I have seen her photo on a Zorpia site or something. I don't go to that many of them and I therefore think it was Joran's site and it would have been a LONG time ago as I haven't bothered for ages. I think she is from the U.S.
I looked at J's Zorpia this am and didn't see her, but obviously she could have been removed.
Have a great Saturday all.
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July 22, 2006, 11:25:54 AM »
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Anna"
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I am concerned that Arubans think Joran is innocent because they are told that there is not one shred of evidence against him--and not told that is because ALE refused to collect it.
I don't think for one minute that seeing him about and having a grand old time bothers them at all because of this. I wish it did but just think they still trust their ALE and think this some unjust attack on their innocent island. Going to be hard to change their opinion, too. They want to think this is not their own fault.
JMO.
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not to mention that evidence they DID have is now in the garbage dump....or where ever they trashed it.
I have long suspected Dennis Jacobs is wearing that belt for it seemed abnormally long, should just barely reach around him and he likely has trouble finding them that large.
Someone should check!
.
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July 22, 2006, 11:29:47 AM »
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Ran across this today concerning the Marriott:
Marriott urged to remove hotel room porn
ReligionAndSpirituality.com
Published July 21, 2006
Concerned Women for America wants Marriott International, the big hotel chain, to do with pornography what it just did with smoking.
Marriott this week announced that all its facilities would become smoke-free.
"Creating a smoke-free environment demonstrates a new level of service and care for our guests and associates," said J.W. Marriott Jr., chairman and chief executive officer of Marriott International. "Our family of brands is united on this important health issue and we anticipate very positive customer feedback. ... Demand for nonsmoking rooms continues to rise with new information from the Surgeon General on the hazards of secondary smoke."
CWA, an evangelical Christian group that describes itself as the nation's largest public policy women's organization, praised the move but suggested that this would be a good time to also ban porn from their facilities.
"We've been after Marriott for years to stop providing pay-per-view porn," said Jan LaRue, CWA's Chief Counsel. "But their excuse is that some customers want it. What's that percentage? If it's only about 5 percent, they've lost that excuse. I'm guessing that their cut from porn is a lot bigger than their cut from cigarette machines in the lobby.
"Marriott has placed itself in a perplexing box by banning smoker-friendly hotel rooms, even though 5 percent of customers want a smoking room. If it's about 'health,' why are they banning smoking only in hotels in the United States and Canada? What about former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's report on the dangerous consequences of viewing pornography? What about the mental and psychological health consequences related to dependency on porn?
"With summer in full swing and many families looking for hotel accommodations during their vacation, we hope that Marriott will eliminate pornography as an amenity and lead the industry in creating a truly safe and wholesome environment.
"Not only would they reduce their potential legal liability related to a sexually hostile environment, I bet there would be a boost in sales as well," LaRue concluded.
Copyright © 2006 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.
http://www.religionandspiritualityforum.com/print.php?StoryID=20060721-083016-5240r
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July 22, 2006, 11:31:18 AM »
Anna, you're certainly on a roll today.
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July 22, 2006, 11:33:39 AM »
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MsMarple,
So I WAS staying at the 'Rott and just didn't know it cause they used another name.
Well, the old "To Do" List is a mile long so better hop to it. . . . . . . . .
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Reply #970 on:
July 22, 2006, 11:35:09 AM »
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Anna"
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I am concerned that Arubans think Joran is innocent because they are told that there is not one shred of evidence against him--and not told that is because ALE refused to collect it.
I don't think for one minute that seeing him about and having a grand old time bothers them at all because of this. I wish it did but just think they still trust their ALE and think this some unjust attack on their innocent island. Going to be hard to change their opinion, too. They want to think this is not their own fault.
JMO.
.
not to mention that evidence they DID have is now in the garbage dump....or where ever they trashed it.
I have long suspected Dennis Jacobs is wearing that belt for it seemed abnormally long, should just barely reach around him and he likely has trouble finding them that large.
Someone should check!
.
Well that thought is totally making me want to throw up.....GAG ME!!
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Reply #971 on:
July 22, 2006, 11:39:30 AM »
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Anna"
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I am concerned that Arubans think Joran is innocent because they are told that there is not one shred of evidence against him--and not told that is because ALE refused to collect it.
I don't think for one minute that seeing him about and having a grand old time bothers them at all because of this. I wish it did but just think they still trust their ALE and think this some unjust attack on their innocent island. Going to be hard to change their opinion, too. They want to think this is not their own fault.
JMO.
.
not to mention that evidence they DID have is now in the garbage dump....or where ever they trashed it.
I have long suspected Dennis Jacobs is wearing that belt for it seemed abnormally long, should just barely reach around him and he likely has trouble finding them that large.
Someone should check!
.
Well that thought is totally making me want to throw up.....GAG ME!!
Are we ever going to make it to page 50?....lol.
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To MF, Glenda, FOB and RU
I am sorry to post this here, but I only read at your site. I am not registered.
I understand that in your island culture, you are used to using the media to dictate what the people should think and say. I do not live on an island and I read lots of ideas good and bad.
Beth does not need to say a word. The situation of Natalee's disappearance speaks for itself. I would believe Aruba to be unsafe, even if Beth declared it to be heaven. Please stop blaming her for your whoes.
I do not believe everything said by the Mass Media. I did not change my feelings about Joran because Greta felt he was believable. As most Americans, I take everything in and draw my own conclusion.
Please stop insulting me by stating that Beth and the media dictate my attitude. This is no island.
Your attitude toward safety is an issue (not the promotion of beaches etc). For scubajap to declare it normal for Americans to stream toward your island to connect with locals, gives a pass to the predators. My blond daughter met locals in Mexico and invited them to a nightclub. They responded that they weren't allowed into that club (thank goodness). What have you done, since this tragety to provide safety for those who don't want to hook up...or may be too naive to understand "the island" culture.
Instead of trying to can the Marriott spokesman, you should be praising him. He is one of the few to demonstrate common sense. Celeste was not looking to get rich or jealous, she probably was appauled by Joran at the Marriott. I would have been. He is no "normal" teen on vacation. No matter what does or doesn't happen to him legally, he will never be normal.
Sorry to all SM for this post but I wasn't sure how to respond to the mean and stupid remarks on the other sites.
Wonderful post Buckeye and so true.... Julia who is was an American knows she is FOS....
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July 22, 2006, 11:44:21 AM »
I'm listening to the podcast of Dana's show with Wendy Murphy. She's a riot.
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July 22, 2006, 11:45:21 AM »
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
To MF, Glenda, FOB and RU
I am sorry to post this here, but I only read at your site. I am not registered.
I understand that in your island culture, you are used to using the media to dictate what the people should think and say. I do not live on an island and I read lots of ideas good and bad.
Beth does not need to say a word. The situation of Natalee's disappearance speaks for itself. I would believe Aruba to be unsafe, even if Beth declared it to be heaven. Please stop blaming her for your whoes.
I do not believe everything said by the Mass Media. I did not change my feelings about Joran because Greta felt he was believable. As most Americans, I take everything in and draw my own conclusion.
Please stop insulting me by stating that Beth and the media dictate my attitude. This is no island.
Your attitude toward safety is an issue (not the promotion of beaches etc). For scubajap to declare it normal for Americans to stream toward your island to connect with locals, gives a pass to the predators. My blond daughter met locals in Mexico and invited them to a nightclub. They responded that they weren't allowed into that club (thank goodness). What have you done, since this tragety to provide safety for those who don't want to hook up...or may be too naive to understand "the island" culture.
Instead of trying to can the Marriott spokesman, you should be praising him. He is one of the few to demonstrate common sense. Celeste was not looking to get rich or jealous, she probably was appauled by Joran at the Marriott. I would have been. He is no "normal" teen on vacation. No matter what does or doesn't happen to him legally, he will never be normal.
Sorry to all SM for this post but I wasn't sure how to respond to the mean and stupid remarks on the other sites.
Wonderful post Buckeye and so true.... Julia who is was an American knows she is FOS....
Excellent post! Plus I need for this thread to change so I can run to the store
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Won't it be faster to take the car?
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Won't it be faster to take the car?
OMG, I totally forgot about my car
Thanks for reminding me!!
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Mrs. Red
- tell Red I'm gone for a bit. Won't be very long but I need to get gas too, now that Peaches reminded me it was faster to drive
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I'm trying to get you to 50!
Have we heard from Nonesuche this morning? Since her post in the Lounge?
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I'm trying to get you to 50!
Have we heard from Nonesuche this morning? Since her post in the Lounge?
No Peaches, nothing this morning.
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