Natalee Case Discussion #679 8/26 - 8/31/2007

[IndyDan]

Such a crock of $?@! 27 months later and still they havent been honest what these punks were doing that night!!They get to the bar at 12:30AM and 15 minutes later Deepak is already outside as he doesnt have a drink,doesnt dance and all he does is talk to a friend for 5-10 minutes and goes to the bathroom.

His whole purpose of going to C&C was what?? Picking up and driving Joran to the bar so he could have a drink?? He lost patience looking for his Brother and Joran..Yeh right!! We have all seen the bar and it isnt all that big..It was all premeditated and his whole job was to have that car ready as the drugged drink was administered by last call. The plan was already set in motion as Joran played himself off as a exchange student from holland staying at there same hotel. Get her in the car and let the pimp games begin.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!  Practiced many times over the years by young Pervs/Pimps.  Joran was the FU that ruined the gig. 

[robots]

Such a crock of $?@! 27 months later and still they havent been honest what these punks were doing that night!!They get to the bar at 12:30AM and 15 minutes later Deepak is already outside as he doesnt have a drink,doesnt dance and all he does is talk to a friend for 5-10 minutes and goes to the bathroom.

His whole purpose of going to C&C was what?? Picking up and driving Joran to the bar so he could have a drink?? He lost patience looking for his Brother and Joran..Yeh right!! We have all seen the bar and it isnt all that big..It was all premeditated and his whole job was to have that car ready as the drugged drink was administered by last call. The plan was already set in motion as Joran played himself off as a exchange student from holland staying at there same hotel. Get her in the car and let the pimp games begin.

BINGO

[klaasend]

Yes - it's all a lie BUT

Why does he mention falling down?  Why does he mention Joran was pushed into the car?  IMO it's to cover for any injuries found on Natalee or Joran.

[wreck]

Yes - it's all a lie BUT

Why does he mention falling down?  Why does he mention Joran was pushed into the car?  IMO it's to cover for any injuries found on Natalee or Joran.

yup!

[IndyDan]

FYI Monkeys ...
As I have always stated there is a reason why we do things here and why we implement certain formats for discussion and the sharing of information.
We had mentioned a family member had contacted us. This is a heads up and more details will be forth coming as to a more exact data and time.
However, Natalee Holloway's uncle, Paul Reynolds, will be coming on Scared Monkeys forum this week to discuss some issues and ask for our help.
This is a great opportunity to help the family. He had contacted my many weeks back and I said that SM would be more than willing to lend a hand.

Any word yet on this?  Seems like we're always in the wait and disapointment mode. We are all biting at the bit to help and do something, you'd think instead of teasers to keep us hanging on there would be something we could sink out teeth into.
Seems like all we get are extended promises.  I want so badly to help out but I have to admit all it seems is just "Something big is Coming" and it never comes. 
 

AS RED stated, Paul Reynolds is going to be posting here... it will probably be next week... he like all of us, is busy.  I am sure he will be here though, because he contacted us....
and don't lose faith... TIM is searching for other missing people now in OH... read DiHannah's and Marlee's accounts on that....it's quite uplifting (or it was to me)
and just keep having faith that it will happen, because it will.

So now it's next week, I trust you get my point.  Believe me, I'm not trying to be negative here, its just that everytime there's a promise of something we can sink out teeth into, it never happens.
I juat can't imagine how family could be "busy" and have to delay any kind of an important announcement.  I mean I'm busy too, but nothing keeps me away from here.

[klaasend]

Deepak's June 10th Statement:

To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following. Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.

To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.[/b]To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

[klaasend]

Deepak's June 10th Statement:

To your question as to why I reasonably quickly had an attorney, I can state the following. After we were heard as witnesses, Joran's father said that there would be chance that we were going to be arrested and that we had to prepare for that eventuality.

To you question as to how we prepared ourselves, I can state the following. With preparing I just meant looking for an attorney.

To your question whether I had spoken to my attorney prior to my arrest, I can state the following. Both families had a meeting with the attorneys. So my parents with me and my brother and Joran with his parents.

To your question as to when that had taken place, I can state the following. That took place last Saturday.

To your question as to where it took place, I can state the following. It took place in the offices of my attorney.

To your question whether both families went to one office or to several offices, I can state the following. We all went to the same office at the same time. Our attorney asked us if the statement we had made as witnesses was the truth and said that we should stick to that story.

[IndyDan]

Yes - it's all a lie BUT

Why does he mention falling down?  Why does he mention Joran was pushed into the car?  IMO it's to cover for any injuries found on Natalee or Joran.

The Falling Down and hurting her head statement is all about covering-up for some kind of brutality, but what I find most interesting about this is they must have thought there was some chance Natalee might be found.

[IndyDan]

 
Alarm is set for 4:30, see yall tomorrow.

[klaasend]

Deepak's June 11th Statement:


"I am now willing to make a statement that is in accordance with the truth. Several details were missing from my last statement. I am going to tell you exactly what happened that night. On Sunday May 29th 2005 at approximately 21:50 hours, I was called by my friend Joran. He said that he was in the vicinity of the Mc. Donalds on Palm Beach and that he was waiting for his father. He further told me that he had met girls in the casino and that these girls would be going to "Carlos & Charlie's" and whether I wanted to go with him. I said that it was OK/fine and that I would pick him up after I went home at his place. I was picked up by my brother Satïsh at the place where I work. We then went to the "Taco Bell" situated in Santa Cruz. There we bought something to eat and then we drove home. On the way home I was bitten by ants in my car. I had told my brother that when we got back home, we should clean the car because if there were going to be girls in the car they would be bitten by ants too.

On your question whether we had agreed that there were going to be girls in the car, I can say the following. We had not agreed anything, but I just thought like just in case that would happen.

[Frank]

Dayhiker,

I just don't think anyone was "pushing their button." I mean this is the Chief of Police and the Head Prosecutor! To think they were bullied is giving them a break and I just don't see it. They were the Dutch friends, I mean they worked with Paulus, were all Dutch and we are to believe they were bullied?

No way, they were part of this coverup. van der straaten could have taken all of them in on that first night and secured the property. Janssen and van der straaten simply would not have bought a lie for ten days if it was anyone else.

Look at the way they treated the guards. They are complicit, period.

[robots]

Yes - it's all a lie BUT

Why does he mention falling down?  Why does he mention Joran was pushed into the car?  IMO it's to cover for any injuries found on Natalee or Joran.

yes, i agree totally

but i was just stating that it was all a lie

mixed in with some half baked truths 

[igsigs]

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

Joran makes a point to say that he never saw Deepak and Satish with girls, no girlfriends, that he saw Satish dance with a girl...once. I guess Deepak is talking about dudes here.

[klaasend]

Alarm is set for 4:30, see yall tomorrow.

Nite Indy

[robots]

Yes - it's all a lie BUT

Why does he mention falling down?  Why does he mention Joran was pushed into the car?  IMO it's to cover for any injuries found on Natalee or Joran.

The Falling Down and hurting her head statement is all about covering-up for some kind of brutality, but what I find most interesting about this is they must have thought there was some chance Natalee might be found.

yep

[wreck]

Yes - it's all a lie BUT

Why does he mention falling down?  Why does he mention Joran was pushed into the car?  IMO it's to cover for any injuries found on Natalee or Joran.

The Falling Down and hurting her head statement is all about covering-up for some kind of brutality, but what I find most interesting about this is they must have thought there was some chance Natalee might be found.

Excellent point. Now that begs the question -- when did Paulus become so cock-sure of "no body - no case?" At what point did Deepak feel he still needed to "cover" for Joran's and Natalee's "injuries?"

[klaasend]

Deepak's June 11th Statement:

We left Joran's place between 00:15 and 00:20 hours for "Carlos & Charlies". At that time my brother was driving. I was in the front seat and Joran was in the back. We arrived at "Carlos Si Charlie's” at approximately  00:30. My brother had parked the car on the parking lot behind "Carlos & Charlie's. We then walked in the direction of "Carlos & Charlies". In front of  "Carlos & Charlie's there was a group of girls. Joran had noticed that these girls were also part of the group he met at the casino. Joran had greeted the girls and then we walked into "Carlos & Charlie's. When we got inside we walked to the bar. At the bar Joran talked to a boy I know by face only. He had bought a drink for him and the boy. The drink is called "Carribean  Motherfxxxxx".

To your question as to what kind of drink that is, I can say the following. This drink is beer with a shot of "151" vodka in a small glass inside the glass of beer. Joran had asked us if we wanted one too, we hadn't taken him up on his offer. Then he had bought us three "Yards" with whisky coke. He payed for the drinks. We then walked towards the stage/podium. We stood in front of the podium. On the podium there was a group of girls that were dancing. One of the girls made a hand gesture towards Joran, inviting him to come and dance with her.

[Dayhiker]

Such a crock of $?@! 27 months later and still they havent been honest what these punks were doing that night!!They get to the bar at 12:30AM and 15 minutes later Deepak is already outside as he doesnt have a drink,doesnt dance and all he does is talk to a friend for 5-10 minutes and goes to the bathroom.

His whole purpose of going to C&C was what?? Picking up and driving Joran to the bar so he could have a drink?? He lost patience looking for his Brother and Joran..Yeh right!! We have all seen the bar and it isnt all that big..It was all premeditated and his whole job was to have that car ready as the drugged drink was administered by last call. The plan was already set in motion as Joran played himself off as a exchange student from holland staying at there same hotel. Get her in the car and let the pimp games begin.

*******, kudos, I don't think I've ever seen the Kalpoes' role summed up so well.

[igsigs]

Excellent point. Now that begs the question -- when did Paulus become so cock-sure of "no body - no case?" At what point did Deepak feel he still needed to "cover" for Joran's and Natalee's "injuries?"

Paulus knew early. In the first day (or days), depending on the Janssen quote of your choosing. No body / no case.

Monday afternoon Joran tells Freddy a beach version, falling...stumbling...does not *recover*.
Tuesday afternoon the Kalpoes give their statements...stumbling...falling to the ground.

I go with monday evening...a second group. Joran/Paulus know but the Kalpoes don't. 

[Dayhiker]

Dayhiker,

I just don't think anyone was "pushing their button." I mean this is the Chief of Police and the Head Prosecutor! To think they were bullied is giving them a break and I just don't see it. They were the Dutch friends, I mean they worked with Paulus, were all Dutch and we are to believe they were bullied?

No way, they were part of this coverup. van der straaten could have taken all of them in on that first night and secured the property. Janssen and van der straaten simply would not have bought a lie for ten days if it was anyone else.

Look at the way they treated the guards. They are complicit, period.

Jannsen and Van der Straten certainly carried the Van der Sloots through until June 10th, but then the big boys took over to complete the cover-up. IMO, there had to be someone in ALE above Van der Straten that enabled the queered investigation to continue. Any honest Police Chief above him wouldn't have allowed it to happen, so somebody upstairs was allowing him to have his way. Or were they orchestrating it?

All Jannsen had to do is keep her lips shut under the auspices of Dutch law and make sure the judges didn't get anything that would implicate the suspects J2K2. Hence the decisions going the Van der Sloots way all the time. Throw in a whole nest of Paulus' Dutch Judiciary co-workers and Natalee didn't stand a chance at justice. The whole system is corrupt to hell and back.