Lively Case Discussion #642 6/19 - 6/20/2007

[bleachedblack]

FYI - Looks like MIP6 has deleted that post now  

He probably learned that from Reality. He deletes all of his posts to.

[mishy]

Evening monkeys! What's going on tonight? Is Beth writing a book? Where is this letter from Dåve and Robin? What have I missed? TIA!

[Sam]

We are confident that accountabilty at all levels is at hand.
Well, that is a sentence that leaves a person wondering, n'est pas ?
..
As far as what Beth spends her money on... I do not care. She gets a speakers fee and probably expenses to cover her costs. Should she go penniless ? Should she wear sackcloth and ashes and tear her hair out until the end of her days ? Maybe she should only have a glass of water and a crust of bread each day. And sleep on a bed of nails. Would that make the cooty posters happy ?

I so agree Kat_Gram,
It is her foundation. She is the one doing the work and getting paid for it. She should be able to do what she pleases with her earned income the same way those posters can spend their earned income the way they please.

[Rob]

For some strange reason, I am all of a sudden looking forward to Carla's show tomorrow.... beats the hell outta this crap tonight anyway.

Who really wants to see anyone not supporting the boycott?

If this was the case along.... I should have just kept going and I would have my Friends of Aruba Certificate by now... not to mention the hours spent and dollars doled.

Now all I'm in line for is public enemy number one!!!!

Man -  this blows.

[wreck]

FYI - Looks like MIP6 has deleted that post now  

He probably learned that from Reality. He deletes all of his posts to.

I still hope you "insiders" here are following this up w/ Dave, Beth, etc.!!

[bleachedblack]

The tourism numbers are  compared to 2006 which for the most part showed a decline over previous years. A very unofficial marker is try to book a flight to  aruba for say this saturday from jfk, or next saturday all flights are full, and jetblue flies 2xdaily. Believe me I am not happy about this. It is just what I see. As far as the occupancy rates, I do not understand them. Some hotels timeshares are under construction so not fit for occupancy, I don't know how these figure in the equation. Then there are places that always seem to have rooms available because they are so poor they are not worth it no matter the cost ie Mill Resort.

http://www.jetblueairways.com/cgi-bin/skylights.cgi
 

http://tinyurl.com/2bgmk3

JetBlue was the airline I used. They weren't flying to Aruba in 2005. Now they fly 2x daily from JFK.
Flight Occupancy is no indicator! How many total flights/seats are they flying today than in 2005? After 9/11 -- airlines flights were "full" but they had 30% fewer flights -- of course the remaining flights were full.

[mishy]

what blows Rob? What have I missed?

[bleachedblack]

The tourism numbers are  compared to 2006 which for the most part showed a decline over previous years. A very unofficial marker is try to book a flight to  aruba for say this saturday from jfk, or next saturday all flights are full, and jetblue flies 2xdaily. Believe me I am not happy about this. It is just what I see. As far as the occupancy rates, I do not understand them. Some hotels timeshares are under construction so not fit for occupancy, I don't know how these figure in the equation. Then there are places that always seem to have rooms available because they are so poor they are not worth it no matter the cost ie Mill Resort.

http://www.jetblueairways.com/cgi-bin/skylights.cgi
 

http://tinyurl.com/2bgmk3

Flight Occupancy is no indicator! How many total flights/seats are they flying today than in 2005? After 9/11 -- airlines flights were "full" but they had 30% fewer flights -- of course the remaining flights were full.

Sorry screwed up the quote above post.

JetBlue was the airline I used. They weren't flying to Aruba in 2005. Now they fly 2x daily from JFK.

[Buckeye]

IMO
 It was only the darksiders that attributed the initial boycott to Beth and/or Dr. Phil.  By that time, I recognized two problems: JK2 had done something to Natalee AND for some reason, there was some type of cover up vs. total ineptness.  Before the letter to boycott was published (which included parents and stepparents), I believe other avenues had been pursued (Jug requested no boycott, originally; Dave figured there was corruption).  By this time, it wouldn't have mattered what Beth or Phil or anyone would have said.  This island was off my list.
Only people educated in the "do what I say" leadership style, would even think Beth or any family member had or have the power to dictate my thoughts.
This island is dependent on tourism.  The leadership benefit from the tourism.  The only way to make a difference is to attempt an economical influence.  I also have seen the numbers and by viewing the picture sites, it appears to me, that fewer Americans are partying.
Some people rethink and try a "turn the cheek" "Christian" approach.  Some planners know how to pull the strings on these people.  I say remember the crusades.  Being nice was tried (I can hear the "the people have been so helpful"...still).  

Janet, I agreed with everything you posted.

[klaasend]

FYI - Looks like MIP6 has deleted that post now  

He probably learned that from Reality. He deletes all of his posts to.

Yep - so there's no evidence  

[Rob]

what blows Rob? What have I missed?

I was just kidding Mishy.

How ya been? I sure hope terrific!

[mishy]

I've been OK Rob. I like your fun, new avatar   How YOU doin?

[Easywriter]

For some strange reason, I am all of a sudden looking forward to Carla's show tomorrow.... beats the hell outta this crap tonight anyway.

Who really wants to see anyone not supporting the boycott?

If this was the case along.... I should have just kept going and I would have my Friends of Aruba Certificate by now... not to mention the hours spent and dollars doled.

Now all I'm in line for is public enemy number one!!!!

Man -  this blows.

I think it will be a very interesting show and I’m sure it will ruffle some feathers.  But, I just don’t see it as a serious aspect of the investigation.

[Kat_Gram]

I am making the assumption that any Trust is subject to the laws of the land. If they have a charitable donation registration number for the tax deduction, then there are laws that govern the trust thru your IRS. And statements have to be filed. I am speaking from a Canadian perspective, but the US laws have to be comparable.
Her speakers fees are different, it would be like earnngs.
What Beth does is subject to too much scrutiny over there. They just talk thru their ass*s.

[mishy]

So, is Beth writing a book? And where can I find this letter?

[bleachedblack]

FYI - Looks like MIP6 has deleted that post now  

He probably learned that from Reality. He deletes all of his posts to.

I still hope you "insiders" here are following this up w/ Dave, Beth, etc.!!

     

[Rob]

BY the way - - -

Michael Bloomberg has left the GOP.. see good news is always one click away.      

He remain unaffiliated with a political party and reality.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_170181024.html

[wreck]

The tourism numbers are  compared to 2006 which for the most part showed a decline over previous years. A very unofficial marker is try to book a flight to  aruba for say this saturday from jfk, or next saturday all flights are full, and jetblue flies 2xdaily. Believe me I am not happy about this. It is just what I see. As far as the occupancy rates, I do not understand them. Some hotels timeshares are under construction so not fit for occupancy, I don't know how these figure in the equation. Then there are places that always seem to have rooms available because they are so poor they are not worth it no matter the cost ie Mill Resort.

http://www.jetblueairways.com/cgi-bin/skylights.cgi
 

http://tinyurl.com/2bgmk3

Flight Occupancy is no indicator! How many total flights/seats are they flying today than in 2005? After 9/11 -- airlines flights were "full" but they had 30% fewer flights -- of course the remaining flights were full.

Sorry screwed up the quote above post.

JetBlue was the airline I used. They weren't flying to Aruba in 2005. Now they fly 2x daily from JFK.

What I am saying is you have to take into account ALL airline flights into Aruba now as compared to 2005. Has American or Delta cut daily flights?? I believe so. Also, I believe Jet Blue used to fly there more than 2x a day (not sure).  Are American and Delta flying smaler planes there now?? You must look at the BIG picture!

[klaasend]

So, is Beth writing a book? And where can I find this letter?

Here is the link to the post (not letter) that was posted by Robin at BFN:

http://tinyurl.com/39x3ed


As far as Beth writing a book, I think she is but I know nothing about it.

[wreck]

FYI - Looks like MIP6 has deleted that post now  

He probably learned that from Reality. He deletes all of his posts to.

I still hope you "insiders" here are following this up w/ Dave, Beth, etc.!!

     

Sorry, I didn't mean to infer you were an "insider!!  I was trying to make a point for ANYONE that might have access to dave or Beth to track down  a response!