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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10 (Read 483564 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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June 16, 2010, 12:24:17 PM »
nonesuch
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because he bludgeoned her IMO, he's a monster
Yes, at the very least. I am not even sure about the seizure part (although that might have happened - I'm thinking panic seizure - isn't there such a thing?).
Anything Joran says is self-serving and deflective away from him.
Point is, there was a REASON they had to disappear Natalee's body.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Quote from: Lifesong on June 16, 2010, 12:01:49 PM
I'm a bit behind, so I apologize if this has already been posted. Steph Watts has a new blog up today:
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/aruba-cnn-got-it-wrong/
thanks Lifesong.....CNN needs to shut the F up!!!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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June 16, 2010, 12:25:32 PM »
Quote from: Jo-An on June 16, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 16, 2010, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: RoxiBalboa on June 16, 2010, 11:10:10 AM
Klaas, not sure what the article is trying to say but I do know I just got really sick to my stomach
I'm sure it's satire. Maybe I should delete it. What do you think?
It IS satire.
Might be better if it´s deleted before people will start to believe it.
(like that whole misunderstanding about Joran masturbating)
I deleted it now
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Quote from: Northern Rose on June 16, 2010, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: OneHappyChica on June 16, 2010, 11:57:11 AM
Am I reading this correctly? Anita now has sufficient funds to travel to Peru, pay off the resigning attorney, retain a new attorney, and receive a cavity search? I'm guessing the cost of travel and legal fees pales in comparison to the search!
cavity search....PRICELESS
That is a cavern search. They need special equipment.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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June 16, 2010, 12:28:30 PM »
Quote from: Northern Rose on June 16, 2010, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: OneHappyChica on June 16, 2010, 11:57:11 AM
Am I reading this correctly? Anita now has sufficient funds to travel to Peru, pay off the resigning attorney, retain a new attorney, and receive a cavity search? I'm guessing the cost of travel and legal fees pales in comparison to the search!
cavity search....PRICELESS
not to doubt cecilita, I have searched online for prison visitation rules in Peru but to date, all I can find is for incarcerated US political prisoners and it seems they are housed in a military prison - and no mention of cavity searches but just that all visits are held behind "glass" partitions with phones and all are also recorded. Also seems you can take food to a prisoner there.
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Quote from: msmarple on June 16, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
nonesuch
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because he bludgeoned her IMO, he's a monster
Yes, at the very least. I am not even sure about the seizure part (although that might have happened - I'm thinking panic seizure - isn't there such a thing?).
Anything Joran says is self-serving and deflective away from him.
Point is, there was a REASON they had to disappear Natalee's body.
I feel sure darleen could don her nurse tiara to verify but I do know that seizures can occur as one dies. So it would not surprise me, particularly if "she hit her head" (or more likely he did) that she could have had a seizure post that.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Quote from: msmarple on June 16, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
nonesuch
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because he bludgeoned her IMO, he's a monster
Yes, at the very least. I am not even sure about the seizure part (although that might have happened - I'm thinking panic seizure - isn't there such a thing?).
Anything Joran says is self-serving and deflective away from him.
Point is, there was a REASON they had to disappear Natalee's body.
That is the point and nobody knows just how much damage was done to Natalee.
No matter what it was not good.
95 percent of murders studied in the Carribean leave the body on land.
On Curraco a fellow murdered his girlfriend and buried her under a pile of rocks because he could not dig in the ground.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Do you think the press is just speculating that Anita will come to Peru today? Wednesday is the women's vistor day for prisoners in Castro Castro.
Just can't imagine the ditch withch allowing that be done to her.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Quote from: klaasend on June 16, 2010, 12:25:32 PM
Quote from: Jo-An on June 16, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: klaasend on June 16, 2010, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: RoxiBalboa on June 16, 2010, 11:10:10 AM
Klaas, not sure what the article is trying to say but I do know I just got really sick to my stomach
I'm sure it's satire. Maybe I should delete it. What do you think?
It IS satire.
Might be better if it´s deleted before people will start to believe it.
(like that whole misunderstanding about Joran masturbating)
I deleted it now
Thanks, Klaasend!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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June 16, 2010, 12:32:05 PM »
Quote from: BUCKSHOT on June 16, 2010, 01:31:14 AM
Guards Intercept Letter From Joran back to Aruba
Posted June 15, 2010
This is actual letter written by Joran to his mother upon arrival to Castro Castro -
Dear Mommy,
Please help me !! I am in a 3X6 cell the size of our kitchen closet. All of the prisoners are shouting at me like I am a murderer. There is this creepy guy in the cell next to me that is a hitman. The food sucks. It is nasty chicken with rice and beans.
Talk to Uncle Jan and tell him to get me out of here or else !! All that shit Dad did for him. He owes our family a favor. Ask Julia to help raise some money so I can get upgraded meals and a nicer cell. Get her to write as much good information as possible about me in the media to change the way everyone looks at me. It's not fair that I am being treated like a criminal.
I need you to find me a good lawyer. I am being falsely accused - you know I would never hurt a fly. When I went to get coffee, these guys jumped out of the bathroom with knives and a gun. I ran out the room as fast as possible. When I came back a few hours later, this poor girl was dead and all her money was stolen and now they are trying to pin it all on me. I was scared to death so I left for Peru. The police got me in Chile and sent me back. The news is saying horrible things about me. On my way into jail, someone hit me in the head with a rotten tomato. The interrogators tricked me into a confession because I was deprived of sleep.
Tell Sebastian and Valentine to stay strong. I need the support of my family now more than ever. Please talk to whoever you have to get me moved back to Aruba or Netherlands. Anyplace but here. It is horrible. Hurry up already. Come see me soon. I need a hug !!
Hugs and Kisses,
Joran
THIS WAS A JOKE (for anyone who read it).
It helped me go to sleep last night...
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O/T I was looking for full body scan cartoons (for this case) and found this: ROFLMAO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Quote from: msmarple on June 16, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
nonesuch
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because he bludgeoned her IMO, he's a monster
Yes, at the very least. I am not even sure about the seizure part (although that might have happened - I'm thinking panic seizure - isn't there such a thing?).
Anything Joran says is self-serving and deflective away from him.
Point is, there was a REASON they had to disappear Natalee's body.
Because there was blood everywhere. Even in the Kalpoe`s car. We know this...
and then like some LSD trip dream... it magically disappeared.
I want their heads.
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Quote from: RoxiBalboa on June 16, 2010, 12:09:43 PM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/aruba-cnn-got-it-wrong/
Tim Miller from Texas Eqqusearch, who is on the island with Dave Holloway, responds to the inaccurate reports in the media. “Dave has waited five years for a break in the case of his missing daughter. It has been very difficult on him. Now for the first time in five years, he feels as though things are moving in a positive forward direction. He has been on the island working closely with authorities. Dave is not going to risk being misquoted, so please allow him his privacy. Its not worth doing a story now that could interfere with the investigation. Please be patient and we will all hopefully have a much bigger story very soon.”
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Can I ask how Monkeys feel about Tim Miller's recent, umm, optimisim? He seems to me to be delusional so I would greatly appreciate your opinions if you believe, along with Tim, that something is happening, or Tim is just fooling himself? I'm not sure I'm saying this right, but I just get the impression from Tim that's he hopeful something is about to break in the Natalee case and I for one don't think Aruba is going to ever disclose where/when/how (we know who)
I wouldn't call him delusional at all.
and yes, I do believe that there is still hope that Natalee, and/or answers, will be found.
I'm glad Tim is there with Dave. As it should be.
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Lifesong,
You are correct that Joran was Melody's first boyfriend but he had girlfriends before. Remember the one who was only 12 or so and her parents put a stop to his attention to her?
I also believe he had been to the US to visit one before all this happened? He spent time in their home here. Have to wonder what those parents are thinking of all this now.
Looks as though we are going to be treated to a long litany of everybody who ever knew Joran so they can all get their 15 minutes of fame and the most important part, CHECK!
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Quote from: Anna on June 16, 2010, 12:36:38 PM
Lifesong,
You are correct that Joran was Melody's first boyfriend but he had girlfriends before. Remember the one who was only 12 or so and her parents put a stop to his attention to her?
I also believe he had been to the US to visit one before all this happened? He spent time in their home here. Have to wonder what those parents are thinking of all this now.
Looks as though we are going to be treated to a long litany of everybody who ever knew Joran so they can all get their 15 minutes of fame and the most important part, CHECK!
I hear ya, Anna!
If the rumors we've heard about Anita's past are true, I won't be surprised when she cashes in on her delicious little sporter too.
It's a sad shame. These characters have known the truth for a very long time and have let the pain and suffering continue and damn the consequences. It may take awhile, but the truth always outs and the consequences do come home to roost.
JMO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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Anna
I also believe he had been to the US to visit one before all this happened?
I have a friend in San Jose California who says she had not only had seen Joran but confronted him in San Jose California..
She was also on Aruba 6 days after Natalee disappeared and was part in Early searches and had seen Joran Deepak and Satish at various times.
So I have always considered her information legit. She said he had 2 males with him which appeared to her to be body guards.
She has a missing brother.. He went missing in Hawaii "her home state" in 2004 and he has never been found and she wrote a book and developed a web site to help find him. Her name is Janey and her brothers name is Gilbert
www.findgilbert.com
I have asked her many times about Joran in California and she has never wavered and her other half "one of my best friends " says he was witness to her desire to kick Jorans butt then and there that night..
lol.. She is wild enough to have done it.. Wish she would have.
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EXCLUSIVE: Friend Of Confessed Killer Joran van der Sloot Suffers Legal Setback In Dr. Phil Lawsuit
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/exclusive-friend-confessed-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-suffers-legal-setback-dr
Posted on Jun 16, 2010 @ 06:22AM
Zuma Press / WENN
A former friend of confessed murderer Joran van der Sloot has suffered a legal setback in his lawsuit against Dr. Phil, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.
EXCLUSIVE LEGAL DOCUMENT: Deepak Kalpoe Suffers Legal Setback In Dr. Phil Lawsuit
Deepak Kalpoe, who was with Van der sloot and Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared in Aruba, was arrested a few days after her disappearance.
Joran van der Sloot Confession: Read Document Here
He and his brother appeared on Dr. Phil McGraw’s syndicated talk show, but allege that their interviews were manipulated. Court documents filed in 2006 state that the show portrays Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe “as engaging in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway and constitutes defamation.”
PHOTOS: Celebs Involved In Murder
Kalpoe wanted to have his deposition taken in Aruba, and that motion was denied on Tuesday. The ruling states, "Taking of Plaintiff's depositions in Los Angeles is EXTENDED to September 1, 2010. The parties must meet and confer re: visa status... no later than August 16th, 2010."
PHOTOS: Joran van der Sloot Arrested
Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teen vanished in May 2005 while on vacation in Aruba. Joran van der Sloot was arrested and released twice for that disappearance.
He has since confessed to murdering a 21-year-old Peruvian woman.
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-JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN - BOYCOTT ARUBA
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 -
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June 16, 2010, 12:55:10 PM »
Quote from: Lifesong on June 16, 2010, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: RoxiBalboa on June 16, 2010, 12:09:43 PM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/aruba-cnn-got-it-wrong/
Tim Miller from Texas Eqqusearch, who is on the island with Dave Holloway, responds to the inaccurate reports in the media. “Dave has waited five years for a break in the case of his missing daughter. It has been very difficult on him. Now for the first time in five years, he feels as though things are moving in a positive forward direction. He has been on the island working closely with authorities. Dave is not going to risk being misquoted, so please allow him his privacy. Its not worth doing a story now that could interfere with the investigation. Please be patient and we will all hopefully have a much bigger story very soon.”
_____
Can I ask how Monkeys feel about Tim Miller's recent, umm, optimisim? He seems to me to be delusional so I would greatly appreciate your opinions if you believe, along with Tim, that something is happening, or Tim is just fooling himself? I'm not sure I'm saying this right, but I just get the impression from Tim that's he hopeful something is about to break in the Natalee case and I for one don't think Aruba is going to ever disclose where/when/how (we know who)
The FBI is still on the island so far as we know. The FBI is also responsible for the 2 raids performed in the Netherlands shortly after Joran's capture.
I'm taking a hopeful wait and see approach. I try to be eternally hopeful, though, as I believe in the theory that "what you put on the wheel comes back around" if you know what I mean.
As my hope lessens, your attitude is encouraging Lifesong. BTW great time line you presented yesterday re Stefany. I appreciate the massive amount of work you put into it.
I've just been pondering the thought that perhaps "someone" who knows
something, has made their way to one of the several F. B. I. agents on the island.
Justice for Natalee!
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Quote from: carpe noctem on June 16, 2010, 12:52:00 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Friend Of Confessed Killer Joran van der Sloot Suffers Legal Setback In Dr. Phil Lawsuit
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/exclusive-friend-confessed-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-suffers-legal-setback-dr
Posted on Jun 16, 2010 @ 06:22AM
Zuma Press / WENN
A former friend of confessed murderer Joran van der Sloot has suffered a legal setback in his lawsuit against Dr. Phil, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.
EXCLUSIVE LEGAL DOCUMENT: Deepak Kalpoe Suffers Legal Setback In Dr. Phil Lawsuit
Deepak Kalpoe, who was with Van der sloot and Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared in Aruba, was arrested a few days after her disappearance.
Joran van der Sloot Confession: Read Document Here
He and his brother appeared on Dr. Phil McGraw’s syndicated talk show, but allege that their interviews were manipulated. Court documents filed in 2006 state that the show portrays Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe “as engaging in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway and constitutes defamation.”
PHOTOS: Celebs Involved In Murder
Kalpoe wanted to have his deposition taken in Aruba, and that motion was denied on Tuesday. The ruling states, "Taking of Plaintiff's depositions in Los Angeles is EXTENDED to September 1, 2010. The parties must meet and confer re: visa status... no later than August 16th, 2010."
PHOTOS: Joran van der Sloot Arrested
Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teen vanished in May 2005 while on vacation in Aruba. Joran van der Sloot was arrested and released twice for that disappearance.
He has since confessed to murdering a 21-year-old Peruvian woman.
I love this photo, looks like Dr. Phil has his arm around Deepak, LOL
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I'm hoping someone will answer, if possible. Something that I have always wondered about.
During the early stages, there was something that I read, I kept thinking it was just a rumor, but I've never been sure.
It was said that Natalee shared a cellphone with a few other friends while in Aruba, and that she called another friend from that cellphone, while she was with Joran. It was said that the friend who received the call could hear birds in the background.
Was this rumor?
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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