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I was just holing the place for robots. ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyCool::

Yep, it`s nice and clean again ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet I deleted the post you requested.

Hey, that was fun!  I tried to post and got locked out.  My first.

 ::cartwheel::

Thanks for making me look like a slacker.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You're not a slacker.  I made sure there were a few posts on page 50 before I did it.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks

Janet

Thanks San.

Janet

Did you lock me out, too?  I made that post and the server just went zzzzzz.   ::MonkeyWink::

I don't know what happened I was locked out too.

I have no hope that the contents of the trap/cage will ever be given up by Aruba.  In all probability ... Natalee Holloway remains have been destroyed.

I am one with Beth Holloway.  Justice is not going to come from the Dutch or Aruban Administration.  The domino effect of accountability is too far reaching.

However ... as both Beth Holloway and Art Wood have implied ... the house of cards will fall when one credible witness talks.  Think about it.  There were Americans on board the persistence.  There were the Aruban divers.  Then there is Kyle Kingman who I pray will emerge the hero in all this.  A little late but ... the truth exposed would be a measure of closure for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ART WOOD: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: ... we've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml

You are smart.  I have never even attempted to be first to submit a post to a new thread since ...


Quote from: "robots"
Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 08:32:08 PM »

JANET IS A CHEATER  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1259.msg188423;topicseen#msg188423

I had not forgotten to post ... I posted in the middle of Truth's quote.

I must be getting old.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well ... hubby and I are taking two eldest grandsons (9/10) to a movie of their choice and ... then a Pizza.  The move is called "Bedtime Stories" (I think).  I have seen the trailer and ... I am not impressed.  Papa and grandkids will probably enjoy.  I just may attempt to sneak all by myself into another theater in the same complex if the movie and timing is right.

Anyways ... I am off.  Have a good afternoon (?) Monkeys.

Janet
2:20 PM PT

Just wanted to say....I never believed Kyle's story about
the Panter.  I think it was a cover for something.

He was staying at the Holiday Inn and I don't think he
could see all the way to Arishi from there.

Is it possible.........that when the Aruban/Dutch Coast Guard were on the trap site - Caps dove on the trap?  Is it possible that Caps is Coast Guard?

Just a thought.

I understand Magnolia...And it all depends if He was really staying at the Holiday Inn...Who knows what was really going on with Him... ::MonkeyEek::

waaaaaaaaa......I got locked out of the forum a while ago. Not a lot of traffic either. WAaaaaaa  ::MonkeyWaa::

wingnut - anything is possible.  I will say that I do believe Capslock does live in Aruba and that he's posted from Aruba for the most part.  Caps did say he dove on the trap site and the trap was still there.

Sometimes someone posts something actually funny at RU:  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/duty_calls.png)

Very Funny! Thanks for Sharing!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I got locked out too..I thought Oh Sh*t something good is happening and I can't get On.... ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I brought this post of mine from the last thread....

 Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -  on: Today at 12:10:05 PM 
I have just finished reading pages and pages.  I am feeling really uncomfortable about the FBI involvement, or lack of.  We have heard that Quantico was on board, no FBI was onboard, FBI from Barbados were involved, things were sent daily, things were sent only on 12/30, things were never sent, photographs were sent immediately, nothing was sent, photographs were sent in September, Beth was upset and sought counsel from someone she trusts, and Jug says that nothing was wrong.  Just like draining the pond the other day, this information doesn't add up.  I have a few things that I just am not comfortable about.  Has Kyle been the only source of information detailing FBI involvement?  The Freebirds are reporting Kyle's dates of FBI involvement, yet ldstlou is also reporting Kyle's dates of involvement and they are not the same.  Kermit reported sending information to the FBI in September and that seems to be the only FBI contact that hasn't been disputed.  I would like to see some kind of a breakdown from 12/25 when the cage was first discovered until September when Kermit submitted photographs.

Kermit, Jan, or another Freebird - did anyone compile or would someone compile a timeline of when Kyle reported to you that he had contact with the FBI, either onboard or electronically?

ldstlou - could you put together a timeline from Kyle's information or with his help that would specify when he had contact or had knowledge of contact with the FBI, onboard or electronically?  Dates would be not only helpful, but also needed at this point for clarification.

I think it would be very helpful to see a specific comparison of the two timelines, if for no other reason than because the information source is the same person.  Have I confused everyone?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And for when needed:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/50d5e11e.gif)

Or the stronger version:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/1066aa19.jpg)

I just watched the Natalee Holloway special on "E" . . .again.

It still takes my breath away at how calculating and cold blooded Joran is about the whole thing. . . how he brags and boasts about being able to even sleep that very night.

And the "I am a tremendous liar" defense doesn't wear any better with the passage of time.  It's still just as flawed now as it was when it was applied to this sociopath.

My son watched that with me when it was on earlier.  When Joran says to Patrick "No. She'll never be found" and his is looking out the window my son said that part made him sure that Joran knows exactly what they did with her.  He said the way he was looking out the window was like he was remembering something.

Wingnut - I'm really wondering if Caps is CIA or Interpol.  ::MonkeyConfused::

This is hilarious. Think Froggy will like it? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is it possible to watch it via the internet?
I did search everywere but could not find it  ::MonkeyNoNo::  TIA

I've asked this before, but asking again. If the trap/cage is still down there, couldn't it be brought up for inspection? I'd like to see some Americans just sneak in there and retrieve the trap. Is it possible that there could still be DNA attached to that trap/cage. Could a sticky fingerprint stay through the elements? Anything?

Bastibro,

I don't know of a way to watch it on the internet but if I see anything about that, I will be sure to post it.

.

I don't know.  We watched on the E! station.

fingerprints ? after a few years ? i don't think so

Thanks a lot, Anna And TS . .

Where did Eduardo get his training for search and rescue?

I found this Eduardo on Classmates.com.  this school is not far from me:


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Keep up with Eduardo. It's easier to follow people's lives if they're on your friends list.
 
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Why would Mos,Richardson,as well as Comemencia trust Eduardo?He was on the Persistence on the 7th correct?

Eduardo at a Military Academy
      Lebanon, TN
      Class of 1986??

Wasn`t that Jossy?

I think Jossy went to St. Stanislaus in Mississippi.  That school has closed.  I think many in the next generation of Manurs went to Castle Heights.

That should read St. Stanislaus.  It was affiliated with Sacred Heart.

Jossy went to a small college in Mobile, AL after graduating from St. Stanislaus.

Jug went to Castle Heights and graduated in 74.  The Mansurs that went there later.

Yep, sorry, Jossy`s father or mother was from Lebanon wich confused me, i`m sorry ::MonkeyWink::

LOL.  Different Lebanon.  Lebanon, TN is not quite as big.  LOL

With The Mansur's history they have to have the story of how this transpired.With there history it would be logical to think they have friends in the Polis which is very obvious from Eduardo searching from the beginning and being aboard the Persistence at a critical juncture in the search.Doesn't make sense to me! ::MonkeyConfused::

LOL, i didn`t realized that while posting ::MonkeyHaHa::

Truthseeker

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760


Kyle stated: "Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."
 

QUESTION: Kyle - have you given a statement at all to the FBI?
Kyle's response:  I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th. Remember, 6 of the pics from the 29th I sent to the FBI ended up on the Internet thanks to the FBI leaking them to Dave and therefore Robin H.



Kyle said: "On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge
Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."

Eduardo is the co-founder of the Aruba dive team.  Does anyone know who the other founder is if Eduardo is only a co-founder?

Kermit!!!I'm going crazy with the Mansur Family.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

SS asked
Kermit, Jan, or another Freebird - did anyone compile or would someone compile a timeline of when Kyle reported to you that he had contact with the FBI, either onboard or electronically?

Kyle said: " I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th. Remember, 6 of the pics from the 29th I sent to the FBI ended up on the Internet thanks to the FBI leaking them to Dave and therefore Robin H."

Kyle said: "On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge
Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."


Kyle said: "Remember, working in Aruban waters you are subject to their invitation. We did not have any of our people in the water. It was our ROV though recording the ops. I didn't agree to how it was but didn't have an option, nor was it my decision to be made. And yes, these photos should boggle your mind.


Dec. 20 Caps registered at SM, dive at cage takes place
Dec. 24 - Kyle mets the Detective and his brother who has a vision and gives them coordinates of the trap
Jan 7 - Aruba divers collect evidence from trap
Jan 9 - 14 - Kyle is off the ship staying at Holiday Inn.
Jan 11 - Kyle sees a ship around the dive site
Jan 17 - Caps puts his first post at SM
Jan 22 - leak the persistence found something
Jan 30 - Caps emails Dave "To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.

Early Feb kyle is trying to "strike a deal" to sell the video/photos with media
Feb 27 - Sonar used on Pond
Feb 28 - The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.
Kyle said: "The witness watched our efforts and as a result, wanted to open up to us, through John S"
Feb. Kyle asked for donations

Mar 1 - announcement Rv Persistence search was ending due to lack of funds
Mar 3 - John Silvetti met with Caps/RV Persistence starts return to Louisiana

So this particular statement is about the Dutch being on site and not about ROV pics or scans?

billb asked:
en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th

Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.
I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA..

Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".


Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS

THAT IS FUNNY!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

If memory serves me when Kyle was asked if he gave the photos or statements to the FBI, he always replied NO. Nother then the 6 photos that were sent to Dave that Robin Holloway posted, he sent nothing to the FBI is what he stated.

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank.
<snip>
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. This is how you launder money basically.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.

company-ownership or real estate property could well be hidden through the construction of Aruban off-shore limited liability companies offering strong secrecy provisions.
<snip>
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Paulus “ has worked as an attorney for the Aruban judicial system for court prosecutors. PAULUS then was given a different assignment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm


Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Dave Holloway).
Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.

Thanx Kermit!How could they not know? ::MonkeyConfused::

bastibro

 Saw the photo - very funny, made me laugh
 ::MonkeyDance::

Kycat
and
snoopy

Thank you for your kind words.

The Panter is a Dutch Coast Guard patrol cutter
NAACGC Panter P811
Pix on here...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.940
Reply #943

I am having probs w/ puter tonight. Can't bring it over. I know we have all seen it a hundred times, but o well. There it is again, lol.

Edited to add pic for Nut:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/OP811-Panter1.jpg)

Theres a whole lot more, but I would rather wait to divulge that.

BUMP

(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4340.0;attach=4538;image)

I recall Kyle having a discussion with the birdies about it.
But maybe Jen or Winger or Sharon can fill you in.
Cuz, at that time, I was suspicious of him and not really paying attention to what he was posting asking us
what it looked like or something and I thought that odd considering he's a boat guy!

Ruben Croes.  He's a helicoptor guy.

I know Kermit.It's all so sad!The Holloway's are the epity of Good people.

I have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::

I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/vdSloot/JoraninUTL03-1.jpg)

Thanks Kermit.  So, you have nothing on your timeline except that Kyle sent or gave images of the cage to the FBI on 12/29.  You sent images from 1/7 to the FBI in September.  Let's see what ldstlou has.  Thanks for the help.

email/ because it is not allowed, I can only tell you what the email states. BUT If I need to PROVE it is legit, I can.

This individual talked to Jug and  asked Jug about Schaeffer...
Jug told this person that "he is the oil guy and that Schaefer was the one that provided the cash to get down there.

I'm not sure if the person said this or assumed this or if Jug said it to the person:

"Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.

Silvetti did a large mapping process while they are looking for Natalee's remain.

Once they were done then "Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc.:

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer according to what this person said that Jug Twitty said to this person.

LOL.  You always make me laugh!!!

SS,

you are welcome.

There is a lot and one more piece could make a difference.

Yes they are. They do not deserve this. So we felt it better to bring it in the open.

Yep.  And I would say some people aren't going to be happy but guess what?  I don't care because I want the truth.

As San said!I All the time in the world.Any thoughts on the potential for an arrest or is this much ado about nothing?

Nut,

This is CAPS discussing what took place at the meeting at his house. Note that John is the one that told CAPS the cage/trap is a postoffice. AND John mentions the Panter at the trap/cage site.

"John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage."

The truth and justice for Natalee are what matter. 

[quoteI have all the time in the world  ::MonkeyWink::


There is a lot and one more piece could make a difference.


[/quote]

Yep.  And I would say some people aren't going to be happy but guess what?  I don't care because I want the truth.
[/quote]

I stand with ya SAN.

Serving notice on Aruba we won't accept anything less!
Give Natalee back to the United States of America!

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really have a problem with Persistence mapping the ocean floor while they were looking for Natalee.  I just hope that the contents of the cage were not determined to be insignificant so that Persistence could continue to map the ocean floor as a not for profit venture.

The fact that Kyle, Louis Schafer and Tim were trying to sell the video/photos kind of tells us that cage was significant, yes?

That's a interesting one for me?Why ask for donations then?

If ya can Kermit!If not i understand...

I burst out laughing when I read that. I have to say you are right!

Just in case they didn't hear you Kermit!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/image703069.jpg)(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/Natalee/image703068.jpg)

Well, I was going to ask Janet to make my mom's shoefly pie, but she is out with her veggie and the grandkids so I'll say ado.

Love those photos bastibro.

Lets keep the truth exposed!

I'll find you something Kermmie, I can never compete with Janet; but I will do my best!

 ::MonkeyDance:: Thanx Kermit!Must get dinner but will return in a in a short bit Monkey's.The Frog is so easy to stand with...... ::MonkeyDance::

Hello Wingnut!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE............... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'M OFF ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

(http://www.maplesprings.com/shoofly1023.jpg)

Not sure if this is the one Kermmie likes, but it was worth a try.

Thanks Kermit for all your doing, and all you've done; for Natalee and our country.

I am having a hard time understand why Eduardo Mansur was in on those dives, he works for Diaro, he is Jossy's son yet Jossy has not said a word about any of this.  Eduardo and Jossy put together a dive using local divers before the Persistence came to Aruba.  I think it was using that guy who could smell (or vision) human bones and it did not go too well. I just cannot understand why Diaro has not had any kind of writeup concerning all that is going on with the photos of the cage.

Hi Keepthefaith!  In case you hadn't noticed, I am the quiet one.  I am sure Jen, Kermit and the others will testify to that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was thinking that maybe Kermit meant a real fly pie, but it could take me days to catch enough flies to make a pie with...until I found this! woohooo!

 ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.devilgraphics.com/fly/fly2.jpg)

The problem is not doing BOTH at the same time -- the problem is maintaining non-profit status. If the true function was to map the ocean floor (with looking for Natalee as secondary) then they probaly cannot claim non-profit status. Now look what MIGHT happen (hypothetically): say they DO find Natalee. If they want to finish their mapping job -- they will lose the non-prfit status. 


.......hypothetically speaking............ might it behoove to arrange that Natalee be found elsewhere than the ocean floor and ruin their mapping job???


Do you see the conflict possibilities?

I agree KTF.  Why not be honest about the intentions of the mission?  Instead have us all believe this was a mission dedicated only to finding Natalee; that someone was willing to DONATE a million dollars to find Natalee because they had such a big heart!  I can bring all the articles here that quote what Silvetti and Schaefer BOTH stated about why they were doing this and it had nothing to do with mapping the ocean floor for other purposes.  Honesty goes a long way with me, especially when (WHILE YOU ARE PACKING TO GO HOME ANYWAY) you are saying you need more money to finish searching for Natalee or you're going home! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

...just wanted to clarify that I recognize what SS was saying as the same, but I wanted to stress that it would become much more sinister if the final search of the pond before the Persistence left was for nefarious reasons. This really smells to me!!

It smells to me too wreck!

It and everybody smell to me right now, too.

How did all these people become so intertwined?

I called my contact at Diario and asked about this and their response was "What cage, was it in the pond?"

Just kidding!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

No, we don't know for sure that Natalee was indeed in that trap -- but there sure as been a hell of a lot attention by several people for a cage containing nothing but "plastic".

Ain't that the truth!

And they haven't rushed back to check the 100-200 add'l targets that Kyle posted about here in March, '08. 

And they filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy leaving a lot of stockholders with worthless stock.

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NO, not a peep. (I think the family knows it is futile as well )

And Schaeffer was trying to sell ROV footage to the networks so he could recoup the cost of this trip. 

OK, try to envision this scenario.  Late late at night aboard a commercial fishing boat, two fishermen/sailors are drinking and playing cards.  A fight breaks out and one stabs the other and puts his remains in a fish trap along with his service cap and shoves the trap overboard.

Maybe there were remains in the trap other than Natalee's or in addition to.  Maybe they were trying to sell the vids and stills for something like a documentary for learning channel or something on how remains, regardless of to whom they belong, are recovered at that depth?  Maybe that's why no one would buy them because the remains were NOT Natalee.

Just thinking outside the box.

The problem is that now we will likely never know for a fact certain what ALE took out of that trap!  All we have is their word for it and we know what that is worth.

Now enter Joran with tales of selling Natalee into sex slavery which is also highly unlikely.  Who would do business with a 17 yo drunk?  But it is yet another place for Natalee to be.

Then the pond.

So we now have at least three places for Natalee to be.  Case closed, mystery solved, she must be in one of those places or another one of them.  Or the latest fable, all of them because Joran dismembered her!

Are they seeing which one is the preferred final resting place?

I'm not so sure I am believing any of them.

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Kermit, I would bet that the postoffices are still active.  The Dutch marines stationed on Aruba and on the ships like the Pantera are active in the drug trade.  The marines who have been caught and shipped back to Netherlands were most likely challenging the status quo.  This is all in the media reports from the past few years.  It's their dirty little (not so) secret.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Schaeffer's troubles started before the search, and I've thought that he used the search to save himself more than Natalee.  I could be wrong but that is what I have been thinking for some time.  I guess it's due to my work experience and being privy to what owners do to keep things 'afloat', especially a privately owned business. 

And see to me the cemetary was one of the most likely spots that Paulus or van der Straaten would have thought to put her IMO.

I don't believe they would lose their non-profit status; they would just be required to pay UBIT (Unrelated business income tax) on the $$ they earned on business type transactions.  However, donations would still have to be used for the non-profit expenses.  When you donate $$ to an organization, you can tell the organization that it is to be used only for a specified purpose, and they are required to restrict those $$ for that purpose.

And under Lorenzo's new driveway but I was trying to keep it simple.

We seem to be being bombarded with possible solutions to what became of Natalee's remains.  Are we supposed to pick one and shut up and go home?

Not going to happen.  I want only the TRUTH.

It seemed a very likely possibility to me too Klaas.  I spent quite a bit of time on that one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Schaefer was trading on the Nasdaq exchange under the letters DEEP and you can see the drastic reduction in value of the stock during this time.

It's possible Klaas.I just thought the "whispered" comment about forgetting the cemetary was funny.

Me too Anna.   ::MonkeyCool::

It could have been a temporary place while arrangements were being made.  All that talk of bifrons, etc.  then the vandalization of the cemetery might well have been about something.

Going back to watch my Dexter DVD but this sure does seem to be the work of a committee!

What else could screw up something this badly?

Keepthefaith - I agree, I'm surprised Anna didn't have that one on her list, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope this week is ado about something!As you've said many times klaas it is a blessing that it is still in the media's eye close to 4 years later!Beth is quite the woman and God Bless her soul!

As well as Dave,Jug,Tim,Red,Klaas,the Mods,Monkey's and anyone else i've forgot.God bless everyone for continued interest and prayers!WE WILL NOT STOP ARUBA.THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE IS ALL THAT MATTERS....... ::MonkeyDance::

Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that the cage is a drug post office. I mean it is a novel idea, and might work with some cage/trap,at some other location. I don't see how this particular cage could work on any routine basis considering it is visible from the shore. Are these "postal" drops alleged to occur at night? I realize the post office part is speculation I just don't think so.

I agree.Can't you just bring them into Aruba on the TATTOO!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I don't buy it eithe, BB.  I think it was a sceneario invented by Caps
and Silvetti and Kyle, to explain the trap and the plastic bags.
That is why Kyle said he saw the Panter there two days in a row.
The are too many other ways to transfer drugs  without having to dive for them.

Yes I am sure you are right. There is just no way I can see diving at night and trying to haul all those bundles down 90 ft into that trap. Better yet...during the day-with all the tourists on Palm Beach watching. ::MonkeyConfused::

The whole island is corrupt!Why would you have to put the drugs in the cage in the middle of the ocean?You wouldn't.

REMINDER - PLEASE TRY AND STAY ON TOPIC

I know you guys are being good, just decided I'd post a reminder from time to time here and in the Caylee forum.

Kyle was curious enough about seeing the ship out there to know how many minutes each day it was out there.  Did he take any pictures of what he saw?  I'm sure you wouldn't have been able to tell a lot about them but it seems like something he would have done since he was watching.

I just took the time to read the article on the Mansur family (see Kermits link above).  Thought it was interestint also that Eric Mansur's sister-in-law was Jan Van der Straaten's secretary also.

When Kermit says the Interbank is owned by the Mansur family does this include Jossy also.  I know he has other brothers who have lots of problems with convictions and such in the past but is Jossy considered a part owner of the Interbank?

 ::MonkeyShocked::   I started to say "What".

That was also the days that Paulus and Anita were standing on the shore watching the ship.  Interesting isn't it?

Without looking back the date I remember was the 6th of Jan; but there may have been more days.  I remember that because I posted about it on Kyle's blog in the early morning of the 7th.  At first I thought they might have been on the beach when ALE was out there collecting evidence; until I checked the timing.

I never thought the fish trap was a post office, either.  Who would put drugs in almost a hundred feet of water just off shore?  Isn't speed of the utmost importance in passing them off?  And the cage appears to be covered in growth as though it has been there undisturbed for a long time.

There doesn't seem to be much effort to find drugs in Aruba anyway unless one happend to be affiliated with the wrong political party.

Just seems a sure way to get caught.  Even using the same spot over and over would be a bad idea.

And the drugs would more likely be stolen than intercepted by ALE who don't seem to be very interested in crime of any sort.

BTW, isn't Jossy closer to 70 than 50 yo?

Crazy questions.....

Is there a Fernando Mansur?
Is he a brother of Eduardo Mansur or a relative?
Mansur's friends with the Dijkhoff?
Deepak friends with Michael Dompig?
Michael Dompig Friends with Fernando?

Reading the posts that were made around the time that the evidence was collected gives me chill bumps.....

this is one:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=4708342715333502082

Goodness, Kyle! Those are amazing photographs. I am so proud of all of you! ( Love the Flag photo!)

Seems like the ocean is restless, Kyle. Maybe those oceanic interrorations you are conducting have hit upon a nerve!

Dare to ask the questions, Persistence! Dare to expect answers!

God bless you all and keep you safe! Thank you all for what you are doing. You all give honor to what it means to be an American!

~Pearl~

January 4, 2008 3:50 PM

The only one I know is that Deepak is friends with Michael Dompig.  From what I remember Dompigs wife is related to the Kalpoes.  His second wife I believe.

Goose Bumps is Right! Very Sad that so Many Had Such High Hopes!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Tell me the whole island doesn't know.......

Mansur's+Croe's+Oduber's+Solognier's+Arend's+Dompig's+Tromp's+Wever's+Dijkhoff's+Vander straeten's+Van Der Sloot's+Jacob's+Vocking's+Janssen's+Kalpoe's+Vocking's,etc,etc,etc,etc

A name i am curious about is John Chemaly.Ring a bell for anyone?

Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. ::MonkeyCool::
I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard?
Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th.
But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site....
 

Why of course!  This is a start, lol.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_contact&catid=12&Itemid=3

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.820

http://www.cspnv.com/pages/staffypersonal.htm

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/aga-elects-new-board

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.580

http://www.olympicaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,72/?g2_view=slideshow.Slideshow&g2_itemId=213

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=85353641

On my way to slumberland...it's late here, but yes, he's been a topic for some time.  Aruba Today....

Goodnight 2NJ_Sons!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanx TM and 2nj..Me too.My head is spinnin again!See you Monkey's in the morning!

2NJSons_Mom

Sorry.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Goodnight Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm still thinking KISS....Something bad happened and Natalee died..she was targeted by urine and the pimp machine (after all-it happened 20 times before without incidence to the pimps) ....either paulass was directly involved or he stepped in to cover for urine...Natalee was most likely moved a couple of times before paulass was able to set up a professional removal of Natalee's remains....which eventually ended up in the cage the persistence discovered. the persistence crew's decision makers decided to try to follow a profit course over returning Natalee's remains (actually-the two could be mutually inclusive  - time will disclose the ultimate outcome).  I'm looking forward to the next weeks events with JQK/Hero B. and/or Greta in aruba........you see....we have all been here before...and let down HARD....but I always view the glass half full...not have empty....Justice for Natalee in 2009....our next best chance.....2008 is behind us.... ::MonkeyCool::

Great Posts Billb....!

Good Night Everyone...My 5 yr old Grandson will be up early and Meemaw has to be ready....lol!

May 2009 Bring Natalee Home!

I'm with you billb!    ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Hotping!  Sounds like you'll have fun tomorrow!!!! 

Point being...the aruba divers/ale didn't collect the contents of the cage....did the coast guard, with a royal Netherlands navy chain of command, collect the contents of the cage?.......
question then..does that bode well in an international court providing Justice for Natalee? If so, is the outcome out of the hands of the pos aruban authorities, and can we expect Justice for Natalee from an international court?   

Billb,
My opinion is that it is so in-grained in the local cover-up that it is going to take bringing down about 5-6 of the top officials to make a dent. That is practically impossible.

I'm afraid the Royal Dutch Government had nothing to do with the evidence collected.

Back in the day, Robots and I had faith in the Dutch government. We thought they had too much "pride" to let Aruba "embarrass" them. I won't fall for that again. Sorry, but Hero Brinkman will accomplish little . - JMO

^5

Thank you.

If you were Dave or Beth -- and REALLY thought Natalee might still be in one of those 100+ targets -- what would you have done over the past 9 months??

Stay silent?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Stop trying to raise funds to find your daughter?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beth and Dave would probably be learning to scuba dive themselves is they REALLY thought that Natalee might be in one of the other 'viable' targets (iirc -- these targets were deemed 'viable' only after ROV dives).

How do we know that no one from Aruba hasn't already 'checked out' the other locations. We NEVER got a straight answer as to where that information was retained. FIrst we were told 'it was safe'...then we were told 'all documentation NH related stripped from the Persistence'. Where is it??

Logic tells me that Beth and Dave do not believe that Natalee is in any of the other 'targets'.

Why not????


Justice for Natalee Holloway

Good to see you AZLady!!!!

I've been missing you -- was hoping you'd post your 'definitions' again.   ::MonkeyWink::   Certainly could have used them yesterday  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes. IMO.

Now........the question I still can't find the answer to.......how did this business deal get brokered?

I think that you, me and klaas are seeing this the same way  ::MonkeyWaa::

Awhile back, someone had commented that Jossy never showed the Dompig recording.  Here is a link to the youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Blonde I can't believe you posted the "Aruban Connections" snip from that article at the same time I was reading it.  I have been going back and reading some of OE's earlier posts and came across this article.  Read it last night and have been going back over it this morning.  Very long, but very interesting

Just sayin' Great Minds Think Alike    ::MonkeyWink::

Hope you are feeling better.  Don't you hate being sick around the holidays.  Not fair.

O/T ScaredMonkeys now on Facebook   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Scared-Monkeys/43226152429

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::  cool

http://www.awe24.com/

Someone took a body from a crypt?   ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/BodyCrypt.jpg)

Could that be the one I posted about that the police took from the funeral to do another autopsy on?

Wonder where that ideal came from?

Texasmom - I'm not sure if it's the same one

Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610408#msg610408

This is what I posted a few days ago about the lady whose body was taken from the funeral.  (Or that's what I think it says anyway)

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Thanks Klaas and Hotshot.

Still leaves me with more questions than answers.  Not a mention at all of the contents of the cage and what was removed according to the pictures we witnessed.  Not much was added by this statement.  His son was on board the whole time but not a mention or denial of what went on with that cage.

I do thank Hotsot and Jossy for trying to make a statement concerning these pictures taken from the ROV.

Sorry Blue Moon, posted that last one in the middle of yours I think!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Why was he on the ship everyday is my first question?

NEDERLANDS DAGLBLAD (a Ducth newspaper)
 
Brinkman PVV'er from his criticism of Holloway case Published: 03 January 2009 05:00, last updated: 02 January 2009 21:43

by Dick Hofland

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THE HAGUE - The Holloway case in terms of PVV MP Hero Brinkman-to carelessly examined. During the visit of a delegation he dives in the case, but he also criticized the new management structure in the Antilles.

MP Hero Brinkman of the PVV appears next week in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case.  During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the West, he speaks in the Advocate of the missing American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Ministry. ,,Het onderzoek deugt voor geen meter.'' ,, The research is so fucked up.''

What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can not?
,, I wish that the case was a cover it. Because that likely to happen now. De Vries has updated me about everything and I've read about the case, so I am well prepared.  And I agreed that I tell him everything I know to do.''

What do you discover?
,, The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes has been corrupt, but in this case I think he speaks the truth. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and the police were very good friends. That police chief said that he would have the son of his best friend could not continue. ,, That explains why the investigation only after ten days was set in motion, while four hours after the disappearance of Natalee Joran already clear that there was closely involved.,,

You are also plans for the new governance structure of the West on such matters.  Are not you afraid that you Antilles hence the cabinet hunts.
I say what I think and I see what happens. I'm starting Monday at the table with various people I have accused of corruption. '' I do not know how they will approach me, but I'm still welcome.''

What are you going to blame the West?
There is an agreement that the Netherlands seventy percent of the debt charity, and that control over administration and justice. That seems good, but what does the island of Curacao was the first council done? The private pension supplemented with 1.3 million euros.'' This is an geneerde form of self-enrichment which the dog does not eat bread.''

I foresee that in the West as quickly as possible the money would have to be as fast as possible to them.  The negotiations on the constitutional changes are, unfortunately, wrong place. '' We ought to agree that they may make no new debt.''

I'll learn one of these days to have some coffee BEFORE I start posting!  Should have been (every day).

What would you say Hero's main purpose for being in Aruba?  Is it corruption or Natalee or maybe both?  Thanks.

Texasmom - looks like the same woman

I agree Sharon!  Great post.

Thanks Klaas.  I hope it was.

I think both!!

Thank you TM.


Where's Natalee  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thank you for all of the very focusingpictures that you post.

Thanks Muisje

You're welcome sharon!

I want to know where she is too, and I want them to give her back!   ::MonkeyWaa::

I appreciate the compliment about the pictures, billb made one also the other night after I signed off and I forgot to acknowledge it!  I just want us all to remember what it's all about, that precious beautiful girl that needs to come home.  She and her family deserve Justice.

That would be my first question as well!What was Eduardo accomplishing by being on the Persisitence when they hadn't found anything?I may understand after they located and were going to dive on something but to be there on a daily basis? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does he work for ALE?

Phew, got in.....  I dont know who he works for.  But am going to find out....   Does anyone here have a proxy program that hides your IP?  I am having alot of problems here.  I tried turning it off, and then it wont even let me pull up IE.  I did this so popups wont bother me, and I am sorry I did.

Thanks Hotshot, please let us know what you find out.
Also, I have had some problems over the last few days and others have commented that they have also.  Getting locked out, or having trouble posting.  I haven't experienced it today yet. 

Who is Fernando Mansur?Where is he in the Mansur Family tree?What does he do for a living?

Thanks hotshot.  I thought Eduardo was co-founder of the dive team and the dive team did the recovering of the cage's contents.  Is Eduardo not Jossy's son? Thanks.

correction "no" to "not"

I thought he was also co founder, he is his son!....I am checking that out.  As far as Fernando goes, I will also ask after I get this first answer, I don't want to push it too far right now.  I have just uninstalled proxyway, dont anyone get it.  bad, bad, bad.  Had to do several things to get back online.. 

I don't know a lot about Fernando Mansur.  Designer?  Here's some of what I found on google search.

(Couture cocktail) article

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html
snip
When designer Percy Irausquin arrived for summer vacation on his native island, Aruba, curiosity was expressed over the type of haute couture he concocts, working on his masters degree at a Dutch fashion university. All questions are now answered having attended Couture Cocktail at the home of insurance man Fernando Mansur, Friday night.
snip

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/almost-250000-collected-for-aruba-help-tsunami-victims/
snip
Bohemian life style guru Fernando Mansur helped orchestrate the auction.

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2008/05/31/aruba-meets-europe-2008-at-cas-di-cultura/
snip
Local designer Fernando Mansur waved his magic wand over the happenings at Cas Di Cultura, lending the evening a special creative touch.

http://www.intcongrp.com/international_associates.html

Aruba Seguros Mansur N.V.
 Paardenbaaistraat 12   
 P.O. Box No. 211   
 Oranjestad, Aruba   
 Netherlands Antilles

John Mansur, President 011-297-8-23094 

Fernando Mansur, Vice President 011-297-8-32950(F)

Eduardo is connected to Aruba Search and Rescue from what I understand.  However, I don't believe that Aruba Search and Rescue was necessarily the "team" that retrieved the contents of the trap.  When checking into where the ALE divers come from, I have heard from Dive Aruba; but haven't been able to prove that one way or the other.  I'm sure there are hundreds of qualified divers in many different companies on Aruba and IMO it's likely that they come from many of them.

Brinkman wants movement against corruption on Antilles

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1937217.ece/Brinkman_wil_beweging_tegen_corruptie_op_Antillen.html

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/4290084/Brinkman-werkt-aan-anticorruptiebeweging-Antillen.ece

Thanx caesu!The key word is movement.Can we get any is the question.

Good luck with that. Anyone in the Antilles feel the same way and support him?  Especially Aruba.

Thanx TM for the Fernando info. ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome KTF; lots more out there just do a google search.  One thing that caught my eye, he has a "freight forwarder" from Miami...it was mentioned in a post where he was purchasing a dvd.  I'm probably just too suspicious!

 ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for asking, but I just can't tell if I'm better or not.
I'm going back to the Dr's on Tuesday.
I feel like someone is sitting om my chest.    ::MonkeyWaa::

Texasmom,



This makes sense...'logic' tells me so. 

I'm suspicious of everyone from that island till they give us a reason otherwise.I'm just delving into how all these family run together.Again i say.The whole island has to know!I've seen that Fernando and chemaly went to France for a wedding if i'm not mistaken.Interesting stuff!

Sounds possibly like pneumonia!  Take care of yourself!  Hope you're better soon.   :smt056

lOOKS LIKE IT TO ME
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Thank you caesu!      ::MonkeyCool::

Google translation of first article:
Brinkman would move against corruption in Antilles
 
(Reuters) - Hero Brinkman (PVV) wants a Antilleans borne movement to set up the corruption in politics on the islands to address. That, he said Sunday morning local time in Curacao, where he and a delegation of the Upper House and Lower House to visit.

The motion should not substitute the Brinkman PVV be. "I want a movement that all Antilleans, from communist to liberal support. Once the underclass becomes aware of how much damage corruption inflicts them will cause a huge shock", explains his statements to Brinkman. Poverty, crime and the poor state of education and healthcare in the West, according to Brinkman examples of the result of corruption.

For the establishment of the movement wants Brinkman next summer conference. He has people in the eye that can play a role. "Ninety percent of politicians in the Antilles in the West would be seen as tainted. We are dealing here with a mafia society. Fortunately, there are good and brave enough Antilleans their head above the crowd dared to stabbing."

Self-PVV wants the House no role in the movement. "It has to be something of Antilleans itself, I want everything just aanslingeren. I would not just stairs, I would also come up with solutions."

Brinkman has already been a similar debate with criticism of the Antilles. Earlier he called the islands' corrupt crooks nest 'and he suggested they continue to buy on the Internet. This was earlier this year, a consultation on the new structure is abandoned.

Brinkman and other MPs in the West for the Semi-Annual Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom. On the agenda of the consultations that will take until Friday is more affected by the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.



 
Google translation of second article:

Brinkman is working on anti-corruption movement Antilles Sunday 04 January 2009 | 18:03 | Last updated: Sunday 04 January 2009 | 18:15

WILLEM CITY (ANP) - Hero Brinkman wants from the Antillean community move up the corruption in the political fights of the islands. The PVV-Lower House said Sunday morning (local time) on Curaçao.

Brinkman with a delegation of MPs for a second series of working in Curaçao. Monday begins the Parliamentary Discussion on Aruba Kingdom (POK).

Brinkman was exactly one year ago in the Antilles in the center of attention by his statements about the Antilles and Aruba as, corrupt criminals''nests. The POK meeting because when those statements were not.

Brinkman has said since then, thousands of emails had''Antilleans and Arubans on the islands of the Netherlands. From their midst, the Chamber collected a group of people, who are critical about the current corrupt politicians in power''.
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Blonde see musings please.

do a google search for "free proxy ip"

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I just heard that it has been broadcast on an Aruban radio station that an American tourist was slashed (with a blade) in the face last night on one of the party buses.  She survived, and the perp has been caught.

Also many reports of other criminal activities in the hot zone (where the clubs are).  Fights, tire slashings, other vandalism, robberies, etc.

The broadcast came from here:

http://www.promoaruba.aw/

I will be watching the papers, and post about the American tourist if someone else doesn't beat me to it.  This is terrible!

Aruba is NOT a safe place to be and definitely not a safe place to vacation, what will it take to prove it to people!?

I scan the papers all the time, and it's incredible how much crime there is!  And from what I hear besides what I see, it's a dangerous place to be.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks for the information Caps.   ::MonkeyCool::

Oh no!

Thanks for the information Texasmom and CAPS!

Hi All

Has anyone heard of the arrest happening in Aruba yet?  Caps said it would be a major player and it would happen this week?

 ::MonkeyCool::

We shall see!One would think,if it's a Major player,they'd be aware of the impending arrest?

 ::MonkeyDance::

I have not heard anything about any arrests yet; I'm trying to be patient...but it's hard.

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Who do i think will get arrested that will make any difference?NOBODY.I keepthefaith but until then i remain quite scepticle1

Edit

I was there I didn't see anything .
give me a link the meds are making me dizzy ::MonkeyConfused::

monkey lounge -avators.

Things seem to be pretty quiet in here at the moment.

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

I've been reading........

........could someone pass that Tylenol or Advil, whatever it was? 

I think San has the bottle, she passed some out the other night!

::MonkeyHaHa::

Kermit ~ If you can answer...

What is your purpose for exposing this "stuff" here on SM?

Is it to distance the FPs from the Persistance Crew and any possible obstruction charges? (I believe I saw this intimated from several posts.)

Is it bring this to light and possibly get something done?

In other words, what exatly should we be doing with this information?

Also, please stay safe.

Thanks TM. I think that's the bottle I saw.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was out of town for over a week and have been catching up over the weekend.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Oh my....you better take a double dose when you get your hands on those meds!   ::MonkeyShocked::

If you don't cuss or made a New Year's resolution to stop, you might just want to start here and not worry about catching up.
 ::MonkeyWink::

Kermit encouraged us to put pressure on Aruba/the Hague by sending the information we've been given (Pictures, Kyle's statements) to the FBI, and the State Department (my thought...along with our insistence that they do something!)  The contact information has been posted a couple of times.  If you need help with that, we'll post it again.

memphis, I was just kidding about maybe not reading everything; you probably should do that so you won't miss any important information.  But I feel for you.

I have a big problem with it.

Those who donated to the Persistence undertaking may also have a problems with it.

I was under the impression that the Persistence undertaking was an effort organized specifically to search for Natalee Holloways remains.  I ... for one ... expected John Silvetti to do more than just discover something significant to the Natalee Holloway case and ... then step back and ... let the enemy take control ... the enemy who has had a coverup agenda since the getgo ... a coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen ... a coverup agenda that has put a family through a H--- on Earth.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.


BROTHER OF BETH HOLLOWAY - SCARED MONKEYS FORUM

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

Logic dictates ...

 ::MonkeyDance::

Hi  haron.

Janet

Noraina Pietersz.Related to the new PG?Anyone..

I expect a more indepth answer than that from Jossy Mansur considering his son held a position on board the Persistence.  Kyle did not dive either and ... he has spilled his guts.

I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of that cage/trap.  I want to know whether Jossy's son upholds Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti/Aruban connection.

Janet
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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Janet,
You had a request for shoofly pie from Kermit in your absence.  I tried to fill but I'm sure my attempts were feeble and inadequate.  I cannot hold a candle to your feeding the frog.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?  Missed ya!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Jossy's son was on board the ship everyday yet Tim Miller was booted off the ship because he was a liability. WHY?

Because Tim could not keep the lie.  He would have told the truth of what he saw.  In fact didn't he say it sure looks like a skull to me.  The man knows what he is looking at so he is a liability.

When I consider the Jossy, Eduardo, Silvetti and Caps connection and ... then I consider the pond witness ...

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Hotshot cannot have it both ways.  Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... either she uholds Kyle as being the messenger of the truth regarding the Persistence deception or ... she considers Kyle the Grandfather of all liars.

Janet


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: "The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

 :smt045

We do have to consider Eduardo has been there from the beginning has he not?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nobody can may shoofly shoo pie for like Tamikosmom can.  I think it much be the touch of another critter mixed in well ... another critter I will not disclose.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::.

The world outside the computer beckons sometimes.  The family is attempting to subtlety break my addiction to the Natalee Holloway case but ... I see right through it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

OT/  I see typos, Janet.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe I shouldn't have said that.

Rub it in.  Tamikosmom's 9034 posts do not rate the edit option.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

I know what you mean Janet, my family is not as subtle some times; but they know not to go to far with it...if they still want to be taken care of in the way they are accustomed to.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't mind as long as I when when I look at my post again ... all the typos have been fixed.

I think that is your job 2NJSons_Mom.  Klaas ... do I have that right?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

BBWwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa.....I was looking really fast to correct them and I didn't see any at all, LMAO!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nut ... have you been assigned to be my own personal mod in regardings to correcting all my typos.

That's very nice.

However ... I think it is Klaas' name in red at the top of the page that keeps me from saying what I real want to say in regards to this topic.  I know the big red button is always just one post away.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

Good Night ... Keepthefaith, ospainter, johan555, texasmom, klaasend, BoxerDawg, Debbie, Blonde and 13 Guests viewing this.

Yahtzee with two other couples is where it is at in another couple of hours.  I will put on a pot of Tim Horton's coffee and ... take leftover Christmas goodies from the freezer.  I do not think green tea will suffice.

Janet
5:00 PM PT

Goodnight Janet..Arrest this week!We shall see.Yaaahhhtzzzeeeee.... ::cartwheel::

Edit from arrest's to arrest of a MAJOR player..

Nite Janet

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Janet - maybe you'ld like to play a little Scrabble?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Hi, Memphis.  Happy New Year!

I've read your posts and I'm sure Kermit has seen them and will reply.  Kermit hasn't failed to reply to anyone's questions from what I have seen. 

 

memphis, you only need to do what you are comfortable doing.  I didn't mean to ask you to do something that you are not certain about.  I realized after I made my post to you that I forgot something!  Happy New Year!

I think I am calling it a night.  For 2 weeks I have spent my time here until at least midnight every night and it is going to be very HARD going back to work tomorrow.

Let's hope we start seeing some things happening this week.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

he was at the landfill.

He was at the landfill ..

Nite Blue Moon

Hello, Memphis.  Sorry I missed you.  Happy New Year to you!!

Wow!! Now here is something I think most of us will agree on! I was reading at RU...renho is coming out of her hole today and whining about the "laundry incident" again!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Someone had posted this at RU. It amazes me how right on Jug was about these characters...especially Van der straaten...this show was done over a year ago!!

Thanks for the translation.  Jug is a straight shooter and seems to have pegged these people from the start.

I mean thanks for bringing that over.  I hope something positive does happen this week with Brinkman.  Van Der Straatne needs to be investigated.

LDSTLOU - this is true, Jug sure had Renfro pegged from the start

yep, I don't think I ever picked up on his comment on renho during the interview. He sure had van der straaten pegged right too didn't he! Say a prayer something big happens this week!!
As for paulus...he nailed that one too...pure evil!

me too!! Saying a prayer and keeping my fingers crossed!!!

nite all...little Monkey goes back to school tomorrow so back to getting up early.

Good night, ldstlou.  I'm not far behind you.

Yep Renfro and Straaten!  I hope something happens this week, I really do.  This family really deserves justice. 

texasmom ~ You're fine. I was just voicing my feelings from pages and pages of reading.

Lisa,
I'm glad you are still here. I know where your heart is.

Hi truthseeker2. Hope you are doing well.

Hi klaas! Happy New Year! You've been a very hard working monkey.

BTW, it's really me. I haven't shared my nic with anyone.  ::MonkeyWink::

How funny, why would you say that?  It's good to see you!  Happy New Year to you too!  Yes been busy in the forum  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Monks! I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about this week! RED says the "stars are aligning"!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hi wreck!  Me too!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Wreck....I have High Hopes!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::

While I was trying to get up to speed yesterday, I noticed your responses to a particular poster seemed uncharacteristically harsh. I was shocked, but then realized that you suspected it was someone else.

I'm not being ugly, and I don't know anything - I just tend to be perceptive. I'm sure you seen lots of crap over the years.   :D

Just sticking up for Klaas -- yes, there have been some questionable posts/posters lately. She is doing a remarkable job!

Memphis - sorry, it's been extreemly busy and we have had some problems.   ::MonkeyWink::

Wreck - thanks...sometimes it's not easy being me, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Memphis good to see you.

The past two weeks have been crazy on the board.

Hi wreck! How r u? I wasn't criticizing Klaas.

Klaas, no need to apologize. Once I caught on, I realized there must have been lots of stuff going on. I really should have kept my mouth shut - just didn't want you to think.... ::MonkeyWink::

Hi San!

I've paid close attention to your posts, along with many others.

There's been much to digest. How heartbreaking.

No probs, Memphis! Things have been kind of "touchy" here lately.  ::MonkeyCool::

True memphis.

One thing that is difficult for me is that there are many posters that I have come to respect their posts and opinions. Now, several of the posters are on different sides of this issue. For example, I have often looked for and read vms's posts. She has always been factual and careful. She hasn't posted for quite a while. It bothers me.

Looks like I missed a good Dana show tonight :( 

I'll have to do the podcast...

Yes I've always liked VMS's posts too. 

I have always found VMS' posts insightful.

Yes it was a great show!

From the Landfill to the Persistence!From the beginning to the end?Should we be concerned with Eduardo?Time will tell..

HAVE HOPE....SEEK TRUTH....GOD WILL MAKE A PATH...KEEPTHEFAITH

I'll have to catch the podcast too, had too much going on around here!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Sheltie bath night for one!

Did they discuss Natalee's case?

Not really mostly the Caylee Anthony case and other cases and subjects but it was a very interresting show:

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Thanks Klaas!  I'll still listen.  I'm very interested in Caylee's case too!

Me too! 

Well I miss VMS Too....I also miss Lala's....I hope that they will return soon and that They had a Merry Christmas and Will Have A Happy New Year!

http://ndp.sr/CFT-20080822.htm

Google translation:

Clean Files Tribunal
MEP MAFFIOOS GOVERNMENT
Parts of the Aruban Government MEP behave as maffioso against unscrupulous persons who are politically onwelgevallig have become. Shining example of this is the businessman and campaign leader once the current MEP Minister of Tourism and Transport Ing. E. Briessen, Mr Michael Williams. Williams pays for terminating support for the political party MEP, a devastating and unprecedented high price.
Michael Williams was forced this week forced to legal action. The lawyer of the hard-hit Williams, Mr. Gabri the Hoogd, complained to the Aruban Court a petition for a preliminary hearing, the Minister for Health, Environment, Administrative and Foreign Affairs Mr. CASD Weaver and his colleague of Justice, H.R. Croes, Aruba representing the country, called for questioning. Other dignitaries to an interview subject will be his Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and the Inspector of Police, so as to help the Prosecutor, C. Hodge.
The background to this into a drama grew out multiple conflicts, are among other underlies the fact that Mr. Williams refused any longer to take part in the MEP of nepotism and political patronage, and successive conflicts in the business sphere in particular to Minister Wever said. A minister in public insults to the address of Mr Williams expressed to the insulting on September 11, 2003 in association with his bodyguard at the airport of Aruba physical and cowardly attack from behind, is a regime unworthy person. Minister Weaver was convicted for this offense to a fine of five hundred Aruban Florin.
Extremely painful is that Rymer Williams, a cousin of Michael Williams, at the airport employed by General Air Services Inc.. Because of the fact that he shot his uncle to help, it was fired. Since that date there is, the MEP Government maffiose an extensive vendetta against the family Williams unleashed.
Whether or not corrupt acts of the MEP Government which allegedly bribes amounting to 1 million AFL would receive the internationally known jeweler H. Namdar as goodwill to facilitate to set up shopping malls in Aruba, represented a new source of extensive criminal misery. Mr. Williams was the agent of that Namdar and knew of their written proposal on July 26, 2004 by Minister Namdar to Marisol Tromp was over. On March 26, 2007 would Namdar and Aruba Ports Authorithy behalf Country Aruba a lucrative Memory of Understanding signed. Almost simultaneously, the letter of Namdar, which includes the offer of bribes in the newspaper Diario published. As a result of this publication was not the deal and ordered a judicial inquiry into possible bribery. This flaw was given the tense relations between Williams and the Aruban government MEP, directly attributed to the former.
The revenge exercises direction Williams were complete. Disproportionate raids in the homes of Michael Williams with brute force major damage was done to the property of the family, formed a new low in the vendetta. But the absolute highlight of this maffiose design, the arrest and detention of the two minor sons of Mr. Williams. Christopher and Nigel. Their only sin was in February 2006 to express sympathy at the death of an underage boy at San Nicolas Lighting during the parade in the context of the Carnival was shot. According to the Aruban police was a statement in the course of two rival youth gangs. The shocked sons of Mr. Williams was wholly innocent, the body of the dead - they knew him superficially - and in the morgue of the hospital had been revealed, the last tribute. The sons of Williams were allegedly on the instigation of the Minister of Justice, HR Croes, one of the alleged parties are linked, so the father further damage. The detention of these young men in the prime of their lives and in August this year in the United States would begin a study lasts to this day on.
Within the framework of the full running maffiose vendetta against Michael Williams, two youngsters who are now no offense to their credit have stigmatized and criminalized irreparable. That this whole, we think also on the affair Nathalie Holloway and doubtful debts of the Aruban government, the positive image of Aruba, the "One Happy Island" serious harm, is beyond doubt.  
On the Island Aruba MEP under this Government, the rights of man and citizen is no longer safe, orderly freedom of expression and having the inalienable right to own thinking seriously at stake.  For this reason, Clean Files Tribunal all relevant international press and media houses, politicians and all organizations involved in combating this kind of criminal abuse of this information.
Ceuta, August 22, 2008
Clean Files Tribunal
For this,
Roy R. de Miranda
(Secretary General)
Dutch  > English  swapTranslate   
 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

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12/17/2008 Senor Frogs
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I don't know her name, but I'm pretty sure this is about Jason Margarita, and his girlfriend having a dispute.  I think she did something to his camera, and he must have done something to her air conditioners? (airco).  He may have done something in the car too, I don't understand it all.  But apparently it was a pretty good brawl!

1/5/2009 Awe Mainta pg 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

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police is close muher sober cu owing to cause destruccion at property of his amigo asistencia of police owing to wordo ask diadomingo morning for 6.10 at one cas in nayostraat, ponton, where have one action among pareha cu was bayendo for of hand. n’e sitio police is come across tanto cu he j.m. naci at corsow of 27 year because; the muher j.o. naci at aruba of 20 year. j.m. is tell police cu the muher j.o is enough sober y fastioso y past owing to hibe at his cas at paradijs. but j.o.no owing to stay at his cas y owing to go back come his cas. by of esey owing to start one pleitamento y he j.m. was push j.o. sake pafo of cas. the muher owing to angry y owing to destrui one camara of 4000 guilder of j.m. also past owing to ranca two airco throw bao at floor. hour cu j.m. owing to succeed place pafo, past owing to descend his angry on the car of j.m. past owing to rasca the car cu one obheto skerpi y owing to dal’e door of the car cu scop. police owing to see cu j.o. was enough sober y also aggressive. police owing to detene y owing to hibe keep, where past owing to achieve one cuarto free. first cu police owing to ser’e, past owing to tell police cu is all hour he is maltrate. police owing to bis’e cu the can bay give complaint, hour cu his curpa fix, but first the have to busca carta of doctor.

http://www.awe24.com/

POLIS A BAY ATENDE CASO DI HINKAMENTO Y CORTAMENTO CU CUCHIU NA TUMAZU

NA YEGADA DI POLIS UN SOSPECHOSO A SALI NA CAREDA Y POLIS A CORE BAY SU TRAS Y A LOGRA DETENE NA SIVIDIVI

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to bay atende caso of hinkamento y cortamento cu cuchiu at tumazu at arrival of police one sospechoso owing to leave at careda y police owing to core bay his slow y owing to succeed detene at sividivi come across

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Note:  I did change my original post about the injured tourist from a "she" to a "he", guess that was lost in translation!  I thought when I changed it I'd done the strikethrough to show the correction but I'm tired so I don't know what I did.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Awe Mainta article about the American tourist that was injured.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

1/5/2009 Awe Mainta pg 28

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Papiamentu translation:

Turista herida cu boter den bus

Polis ta bay cu urgencia diasabra 10.30 di anochi, den de la Sallestraat, na altura di
un nightclub, Tumazu, unda un turista a wordo herida den un bus di paranda. Na yegada polis ta topa cu e homber F.J.G.naci na Estados Unidos di 56 aña, kende tabatin su cara na sanger y un corta.  Testigo den e bus a bisa polis cu un homber color scur y bisti
cu flanel, a dal un turista cu boter den su cara. E testigo a bisa polis cu e homber a cana
bay direccion di rotonde di de la Sallestraat, y despues a bay direccion pazuid, esta direccion di Sividivi.  Mesora polis a bay den e direccion y ta topa cu e homber A.J.M. naci na Aruba di 23 aña ta cana hunto cu un muher Mericano.  Polis a pone drumi riba vloer y
a listr’e na su curpa, y despues a detene. Den prome instante a ser bisa, cu el a corta e turista cu cuchiu cu polis no a haya na su curpa. Nan a ser’e pa buracheria, como cu e tabata basta bao di influencia di alcohol, y despues lo sigui cu e investigacion di maltrato aki. Sigur A.J.M. no ta un bon embahador pa Aruba, pero mas bien un mal propaganda.

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            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!

My prayer is that this week will bring us closer to bringing Natalee home and finding Justice for her and her family.  

::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight 9 guests! 

Thanks Wreck.  :smt058

Good Morning...

Can any of our Dutch friends possibly find any more on this from June 2005, please. It appears it took place sometime over the weekend of June 24th to June 26th.

Thanks In Advance...

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/06/30/seizes.shtml
Dutch navy seizes 1,800 kilos of cocaine in the Caribbean

Thursday, June 30, 2005

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AFP): The Dutch navy has seized 1,800 kilos of cocaine with an estimated street value of 54 million dollars this weekend in the Caribbean, ANP news agency reported Wednesday.

The news was not announced over the weekend so as not to endanger ongoing investigations, a navy spokeswoman told ANP.

The 80 bales of cocaine were found in a special secret compartment on board the ship D'Mary sailing under the flag of the African island state of Sao Tome and Principe.

The seizure was done together with the American authorities. The drugs and eight crew members of the boat have been turned over to the US authorities, ANP said.

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one having problems logging in yesterday. I was using my own IP, whichever it may have been yesterday...LOL...and after signing in both yesterday morning and last night in the Shango thread, was directed to a picture of the Panter. I had to go back and re-enter my password and then I was logged in! IIRC this was on the last page that I was reading the night before? ::MonkeyConfused::

Just wanted to add a little "Me Too" to this.

There are many posters/points of view I miss reading these days.  Regardless of where they are posting now, I'm certain they are still Standing with the Girl.

Maybe if we do get some movement on the case, everyone will come home to SM to discuss it.

Not sure where VMSis, but I know Lalas is on a 30 day "timeout". I am not sure why.

big catch in Caribbean

The Navy last weekend, the 1800 kilograms of cocaine intercepted. This happened between Aruba and the coast of Central America. The drugs Saturday hidden in a ship that enter under the flag of Sao Tome and Principe, an island group off the coast of Africa.

The catch was made by the Dutch Navy with the assistance of the international drug control organization CTG 4.4, which among other things, the United States and France are active.

Maarten Hilbrandie spokesman of the Ministry of Defense refers to a great catch. In recent years, cocaine, especially in increasingly smaller quantities by speedboat brought ashore. The street value of the seized cocaine is in the tens of millions of euros.

Mon 05 Jan 2009, 15:33

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ORANGE CITY - The Aruban hotel industry is concerned about the presence of MP Hero Brinkman for the Parliamentary Discussion Kingdom (POK) on the island this week. This is Rob Smith of hotel organization in a statement Ahata know. "Be careful with the publication of his words."
The Aruban delegation Ady has Thijsen advance to the POK know Brinkman of insults to the Aruban people "not to pick up." "Also, we will abuse the right to freedom of expression is not accepted in Aruba when he says something negative outcome in our tourism sector."

Brinkman (PVV) wants to Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case further. He believes that the affair has been studied carelessness. Aruban media reported Monday the arrival of Beth Holloway and journalist Greta Van Susteren of the American Foxnews channel. Together they would be a media offensive against Aruba plan. They can not accept the approach of the case on the missing American girl.

In Aruba, the POK began Monday with a visit to the Governor of Aruba, Fredis Refunjol. Fourteen Dutch parliamentarians led by MP Willibrord van Beek and eleven Antillian parliamentarians led by Pedro Atacho this week visited the Aruban parliament. Talks about the political change in the Kingdom and the impact of the credit crisis on the economies of the Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Oh, my!  Sending Beth strength and peace, and praying the day soon comes that she never has to return to that hellhole again!

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Thanks Johan!

Just received this from my friend in Holland, trying to see if she has an article on it.

me too!! Kick some azz Beth and Greta!!!

sounds like threats to me.  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi Monks,

I see you have this news already but still...

Here it is in SpitsNieuws newsblog: http://tinyurl.com/84ogo4

source of above mentioned article:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2930935/__Hotels_Aruba_vrezen_komst_PVV_er__.html

Aruban media reporting that both Greta and Beth will arrive on Aruba too.
haven't read confimation of this. nothing about this yet on Gretawire.

earlier it was reported that Brinkman would meet with JQK on Aruba.

Good Morning,

Hope everyone had a Safe and Happy New Year!


Please let there be an arrest this week!!

pb  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6121594/MP-launches-group-against-Antilles-corruption

I was going to log in yesterday but read how some monkeys were having problems so I decided not to try...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: so I was a guest for most of the night.

pb

thanks Johan and ldstlou. I am very cautiously excited. Beth wouldn't go back to Aruba if she didn't think something was going to happen, would she? Maybe they are ready to file a civil suit? I wonder if Peter de Vries is in Aruba? Geez wouldn't it be great if Joran really is in NL awaiting arrest, but would he really just come back so easily? My mind is spinning, so many quesitons, soooo impatient. I pray this is the start of some great news. (again, cautiously optimistic).

Trying to get more info on Joran, but I trust the word of my friend, she sent that to Jug too so I don't think she would have sent us the e-mail unless he was there.

I am getting butterflies in my stomach!!! I hope this is a productive week for Beth!!

I'll ask about DeVries too. If I get any news i will pass it along and will be watching for news from the Monkeys!!

Yes, ldstlou, well put - I have butterflies too!  Am trying to tamp them back down and not get my hopes up yet....

deep breaths, deeep breaths!! lol

I agree with this 100%.

Shaefer's business activities during the search and after also bear out this logic.

I've never believed that cage was a drug post office either.  To me, that was just a white wash.

Kyle explained in professional lingo, and with professional reasons why it is highly unlikely for that cage to have been an "active" anything.

No scars on the ocean floor from anchors of ships hovering nearby.  No signs of recent activity inside the cage (no disturbance of sand/silt) that would indicate active/recent "usage" of the cage either.

That John Silvetti himself (according to Caps) is the one who put this theory forward further solidifies my questions of his motives and integrity.

We don't want him here in Europe !!

I don't believe Kyle was "in the loop" with Silvetti in the beginning.  His posts to us indicate that, IMO.

Kyle never said anything about having taken pictures of the Panter those two days he saw it from the beach - but he did say he spoke with a local there who told him that ship is seen frequently - but NEVER before in that direction, and NEVER before anchored in that place.

FWIW.

lol..I don't blame you!! Have you heard anything on joran being back in Holland?

yes it can be true  ::MonkeyWink:: ,but i am not sure

Did I just read Beth and Greta are in Aruba?  Gosh, I hope they both have good protection with them.  I will pray they are safe.  Is John Q. with them?

Brinkman can protect them ! ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Great Idea?

 ::cartwheel::

A game of Scrabble and ... only names and words associated with the Natalee Holloway case is allowed.

Who would be my partner?  My DIL is the only one in my family who has an indepth knowledge of the case and ... she has another life that has nothing to do with the case.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I just hope the big arrest this week is not of Beth or Hero Brinkman.  The only thing Aruba ever sees as being wrong is saying something to endanger the almighty tourist dollar!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Everything else seems to be pretty much OK, IMO.

I had a feeling she would be going with Greta and JQK.

I'm so glad she did!!

Just a little humor for your day. I got a little too excited and did a little cartwheel in my living room, followed by a "Go Monkeys!"  ::cartwheel:: I forgot my husband is home on vacation, and he caught this middle aged grandma in the process. He just shook his head and said, "Natalee?" heehee

Go Monkeys!!  ::cartwheel::

WOW!! I am not sure I can still do a cartwheel and better not try in the livingroom just in case!! lol

We have all been there done that.  I am not prepared just yet to go there again.

I cannot help but believe that Aruba/Holland is orchestrating another "Dog and Pony Show" as a distraction from the contents of that cage/trap ... contents that the oceanographer who held a professional position on board the Persistence believes could have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Think about it.  If justice for Natalee Holloway were to prevail ... there would have to be more than one major arrest.  There would be a domino effect that would be far reaching.  Accountibility would range from those involved in the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005 ... to those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who participated in the coverup ... to the judiciary ... to those involved in Aruba's underground economy which encompasses gambling, drugs, alcohol, money laundring and the sex trade.

In my opinion ... logic dictates ... IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS

Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.

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JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html

Somebody ... anybody ... please talk to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I'm here, Janet.  Trying to lurk and do some work while I wait not so patiently for news.  I truly believe JQK thinks something is really going to happen or he would not drag Beth down there again.

Janet,

I have faith that JQK and Beth know what they are after for this trip.

Aruba didn't initiate it - Brinkman set it up.

Remember, JQK is attempting to bring International law spotlight on Aruba (sex trafficking).  That can do nothing but good.

I went back and reread many articles about Shaefer's business after Sharon's posts yesterday and have not changed my mind.  There are several bits that can be listed but here are just a couple:

He stepped down as chairman to pursue charitable activities mid-November, 2007.

http://www.globenewswire.com/hs/news.html?d=131502

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Mr. Schaefer expects to pursue other interests in his retirement, particularly focusing on humanitarian and charitable work, as well as other future business opportunities.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

(snipped) Dated March 3, 2008

It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase. We are thankful for the outpouring of generosity, love, support, and prayers throughout the entire search effort.

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Class action suit....dated March 4, 2008

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/03/04/SuperiorOffshore.pdf