Lively Case Discussion #595 4/1 - 4/4/2007

[greeneyedlady]

You're welcome CBB

[Kimmy53]

I;ve just followed links when they've been posted here to comments/posts, so I'm not familiar with the posters. Does anyone believe JK2 are guilty or is it a unified hallucination?

From what Sultan posted it sounds as if there is much more than book notes that were on Jorans PC files.Sultan has said that it was not about Natalee,but from what he just posted about moving onto prosecution there may be something that would make J2K or just Joran look guilty of something,IMO

greeneyedlady:  Do you take it that moving on to prosecution means against J2K or J, or them on the other side, filing suit against someone for what is contained in the files?

I don't visit those sites, I get SO p.o'd.  Also, how would Sultan know?  do you think this person is just b.s.ing?

Thanks for keeping us up to date from the other site.


Good morning monkeys!

[greeneyedlady]

Kimmy, I'm really not sure here where Sultan is going.The other day he said the rest of what they had would cause the VDS's trouble.I'm just speculating it has something to do with Joran since it was his files.
It could be tho if the VDS's press charges against whoever has the files???

[Cat]

SB,the answer is yes,and congrads to you and BOC for upholding the honor of the SEC.I believe you Carpe,and I think that Vito Corleone said,CBB.It stormed badly in many areas,and upset Kate.I have nothing pithy to say,except that Hercule knows the answer.CAT

[sharon]

   

Carpe --

This old post from the SM front page that I am posting below, the conversation amongst J2K in the police van (about the gun, they will see the sh$t), Satish's statement about 'how's the girl' and the recent post from evilive all support your thoughts.

The first time I saw the enlargement of the bag in a 'contrasted' view, I saw 'parts'

"freycohen Says:

January 11th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
The Insider information that I heard that is it. Earlier on when the fish cage was stolen the the same night that Natalee was found missing. Dompig reported the incident to van der Statten, and the then police commissioner ignored the search for the protection of Joran. Joran at that time hided the big knife in his dad’s house. van der Statten told Beth that Natalee was dead and he saw the insider information in June. Joran chopped Natalee into two halves in the open sea and stuffed her body parts into the fish cage and weighted it down into the deep with some boating people. The big knifes were dumped into the landfill the following night. Natalee was killed at Sloot’s house. They never went to the lighthouse."

Why not dump the knives where her body was.  Why take them back.

Let's just say this is true did you ever wonder if some of the fishermen helped Joran cut the body.  I don't mean to sound gross but that's what they do all day is cut up fish and they are use to seeing blood.  Is there where the ATM withdrawal comes into play.  Sort of a downpayment and more to come later.

Hi San!

I don't know that I believe that anyone that posts (other than the team of actual perps) knows with 100% accuracy what really happened.

But I do think we get little 'snippets' of the actual horror story from people who know more than I do -- embellished with the speculation of the poster.

It's possible a fisherman helped -- but I'd bet they would not be around any longer to dish. It's also possible one of the 'team of delinquents' is an experienced fisherman -- just like joran's brother is an experienced diver, and I beleive Sander or Koen is an experienced boat driver.

And until Tim Miller pulls up the cage with Natalee's bones inside -- I'm not sure I believe that was her final resting place. Could be. Or maybe it was only one of the places. Personally -- Shango's 'light the fires' theme creeps me out.  

I do believe that the body was moved several times. IMO -- more as a result of some political infighting than anything else. I think someone wanted to make sure we saw the van in front of Paulus' house. And of all the scenes to release of the casino -- the one with Paulus in it is NO coincidence. IMO.

I don't have a good theory about who the ATM withdrawals went to -- but I do feel strongly they were payment for someone to forget what they knew or saw.

And I strongly agree with you -- the Sloot sty should have been searched with a fine tooth comb. Inside and out.

[Cat]

I refuse to read other sites.To upsetting.I do believe that she was moved a number of times.I think TES found one grave,and others found another.I do believe the police may have saved some remains,not the dutch police,the others for the future and because they want a resolution.I believe any dutch pimp life is at risk on that island after eveyrthing,because they have inflicted the suffering on the average person.I also think money laundering is the bigger problem,along with porn.CBB,I am glad you are better,the chicks are good.CAT

[San]

   

Carpe --

This old post from the SM front page that I am posting below, the conversation amongst J2K in the police van (about the gun, they will see the sh$t), Satish's statement about 'how's the girl' and the recent post from evilive all support your thoughts.

The first time I saw the enlargement of the bag in a 'contrasted' view, I saw 'parts'

"freycohen Says:

January 11th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
The Insider information that I heard that is it. Earlier on when the fish cage was stolen the the same night that Natalee was found missing. Dompig reported the incident to van der Statten, and the then police commissioner ignored the search for the protection of Joran. Joran at that time hided the big knife in his dad’s house. van der Statten told Beth that Natalee was dead and he saw the insider information in June. Joran chopped Natalee into two halves in the open sea and stuffed her body parts into the fish cage and weighted it down into the deep with some boating people. The big knifes were dumped into the landfill the following night. Natalee was killed at Sloot’s house. They never went to the lighthouse."

Why not dump the knives where her body was.  Why take them back.

Let's just say this is true did you ever wonder if some of the fishermen helped Joran cut the body.  I don't mean to sound gross but that's what they do all day is cut up fish and they are use to seeing blood.  Is there where the ATM withdrawal comes into play.  Sort of a downpayment and more to come later.

Hi San!

I don't know that I believe that anyone that posts (other than the team of actual perps) knows with 100% accuracy what really happened.

But I do think we get little 'snippets' of the actual horror story from people who know more than I do -- embellished with the speculation of the poster.

It's possible a fisherman helped -- but I'd bet they would not be around any longer to dish. It's also possible one of the 'team of delinquents' is an experienced fisherman -- just like joran's brother is an experienced diver, and I beleive Sander or Koen is an experienced boat driver.

And until Tim Miller pulls up the cage with Natalee's bones inside -- I'm not sure I believe that was her final resting place. Could be. Or maybe it was only one of the places. Personally -- Shango's 'light the fires' theme creeps me out.  

I do believe that the body was moved several times. IMO -- more as a result of some political infighting than anything else. I think someone wanted to make sure we saw the van in front of Paulus' house. And of all the scenes to release of the casino -- the one with Paulus in it is NO coincidence. IMO.

I don't have a good theory about who the ATM withdrawals went to -- but I do feel strongly they were payment for someone to forget what they knew or saw.

And I strongly agree with you -- the Sloot sty should have been searched with a fine tooth comb. Inside and out.

Thanks Sharon.

If they searched the VDS residence today I believe they would still find Natalee's blood there.  The only way they will not find her blood is if they knocked down Joran's apartment and rebuilt it.  Just like they did the new cement work in the yard.  They are hiding something.

I agree with you regarding Sander and Koen.  The only difference between them is that Koen is weak and Sander is cold blooded.  JMO.  Sander was the only one out of the whole group to have the nerve to show up at prison when Joran was released and cheer for his psycho friend while the others hid.

[Lala'sMom]

Morning monkeys.  Shango meter went ding ding and I had to check in. LOL

Regarding the meltdown at the Darkside...wonder if Joran's notes contained incriminating evidence pointing to our Kalpoe brothers instead.  Joran has often pointed his finger in their direction.

[San]

Morning monkeys.  Shango meter went ding ding and I had to check in. LOL

Regarding the meltdown at the Darkside...wonder if Joran's notes contained incriminating evidence pointing to our Kalpoe brothers instead.  Joran has often pointed his finger in their direction.

Lala's you just made me think what if Joran's notes had GVC's name in them.  They have tried very hard not to connect the two.  What if these notes prove there is a connection between the two.

I can hear Joe Tacopina now:

"Oh did I said they didn't know each other"

Yes Joe they know eachother because they are both white dutchboy drug dealers.

[Lala'sMom]

I refuse to read other sites.To upsetting.I do believe that she was moved a number of times.I think TES found one grave,and others found another.I do believe the police may have saved some remains,not the dutch police,the others for the future and because they want a resolution.I believe any dutch pimp life is at risk on that island after eveyrthing,because they have inflicted the suffering on the average person.I also think money laundering is the bigger problem,along with porn.CBB,I am glad you are better,the chicks are good.CAT

You give ALE too much credit.  I don't think they intended to do anything.  Too many dirty hands, so to speak.

[San]

Morning monkeys.  Shango meter went ding ding and I had to check in. LOL

Regarding the meltdown at the Darkside...wonder if Joran's notes contained incriminating evidence pointing to our Kalpoe brothers instead.  Joran has often pointed his finger in their direction.

Lala's you just made me think what if Joran's notes had GVC's name in them.  They have tried very hard not to connect the two.  What if these notes prove there is a connection between the two.

I can hear Joe Tacopina now:

"Oh did I said they didn't know each other"

Yes Joe they know eachother because they are both white dutchboy drug dealers.

and Rapists.

There was a power struggle between Joran and GVC because each of their fathers had power on the island.

[Lala'sMom]

And the question that is begging to be asked is:  "Why?"

[Kimmy53]

Morning monkeys.  Shango meter went ding ding and I had to check in. LOL

Regarding the meltdown at the Darkside...wonder if Joran's notes contained incriminating evidence pointing to our Kalpoe brothers instead.  Joran has often pointed his finger in their direction.

Hi Lala's!!!  Ya know, it is possible.  I have always thought that If Joran felt he could pin the whole thing on 2K he would have done so a long time ago.  The only thing that has saved 2K (IMO) is there is some type of evidence they either have, or have access to that they could use to turn the tables on the VDS'- But they would only use that evidence if they have to, to save themselves or to take someone else down with them.

[San]

And the question that is begging to be asked is:  "Why?"

Why what?  Are you asking me or someone else.

[San]

Morning monkeys.  Shango meter went ding ding and I had to check in. LOL

Regarding the meltdown at the Darkside...wonder if Joran's notes contained incriminating evidence pointing to our Kalpoe brothers instead.  Joran has often pointed his finger in their direction.

Hi Lala's!!!  Ya know, it is possible.  I have always thought that If Joran felt he could pin the whole thing on 2K he would have done so a long time ago.  The only thing that has saved 2K (IMO) is there is some type of evidence they either have, or have access to that they could use to turn the tables on the VDS'- But they would only use that evidence if they have to, to save themselves or to take someone else down with them.

I agree Kimmy.  I believe the 2K's have pictures or a video.  I believe it was either Deepak or Satish that were returning a camera to Freddy.  Deepak was smart enough to make a copy.

[Peaches]

Perhaps the "other stuff" indicates that the sporter has a big problem with violence or porn (go ahead, surprise me!) or both.  

I think there probably IS more stuff from his pc out there.  Who cares?  He's a lying POS.  What makes anyone think his "personal" notes or diary or whatever he calls that pile contain the truth?  I doubt seriously that he is well acquainted enough with the truth to recognize it (unless and until the truth sticks it to him).

I don't care how whoever got whatever they got from his precious computer.  He should have studied up on file-sharing first.  Tuff crap.

I agree there are more people down there who know exactly what went on that night and many other nights.  Someday, it will all come out.  

It always does.

[Lala'sMom]

And the question that is begging to be asked is:  "Why?"

Why what?  Are you asking me or someone else.

Sorry.  I meant why is GVC being guarded so closely?  What is the connection?

[San]

And the question that is begging to be asked is:  "Why?"

Why what?  Are you asking me or someone else.

Sorry.  I meant why is GVC being guarded so closely?  What is the connection?

His sister is a cop on the ALE
His father is a former cop in the Netherlands
His father owns the security business on Aruba
His father might have info on others that were involved and he could prove it
It was his father that is seen on the video at the painted rocks and might have evidence that he collected from there to save his son
Why is there no security video available of the three suspects.  Because his father made them go away
His father is probably friends with Van der Straten

Is that enough Lala's or do you want more

[San]

And the question that is begging to be asked is:  "Why?"

Why what?  Are you asking me or someone else.

Sorry.  I meant why is GVC being guarded so closely?  What is the connection?

His sister is a cop on the ALE
His father is a former cop in the Netherlands
His father owns the security business on Aruba
His father might have info on others that were involved and he could prove it
It was his father that is seen on the video at the painted rocks and might have evidence that he collected from there to save his son
Why is there no security video available of the three suspects.  Because his father made them go away
His father is probably friends with Van der Straten

Is that enough Lala's or do you want more

The connection is drugs Lala's.  He is in the ring as the three suspects.

[San]

For a whole year they held two peoples names from the media.  Why bring Guido and GVC in a year later.  There was no need to release Guido's name because they already questioned him in early June.  That was KJ way of telling the world these two are also involved in what happened to Natalee.