Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[chelebele]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

If this is true about one of the K2 being released, my bet would be on Satish...

Not mentally competent to stand trial?

 

But he was going to be a doctor....

[Nut44x4]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

If this is true about one of the K2 being released, my bet would be on Satish...

that would be my guess too...if true

[Magnolia]

Think about it.....the Kalpoe lawyers have been spouting off since
the first day of the arrests, just as Joe T. has been.
All they know is the first bit of evidence that was used to rearrest.
Mos has much more and is holding on to it.
He will release evidence as it is needed to keep holding the perps.
It's the way their system works.
Mos does not even have to give any evidence to the defense before he
presents it to the judge.

[mishy]

Think about it.....the Kalpoe lawyers have been spouting off since
the first day of the arrests, just as Joe T. has been.
All they know is the first bit of evidence that was used to rearrest.
Mos has much more and is holding on to it.
He will release evidence as it is needed to keep holding the perps.
It's the way their system works.
Mos does not even have to give any evidence to the defense before he
presents it to the judge.

Magnolia,

I hope this is correct and that Mos has more cards up his sleeve...I've been so praying that he hasn't played his full hand yet...

[2NJSons_Mom]

Think about it.....the Kalpoe lawyers have been spouting off since
the first day of the arrests, just as Joe T. has been.
All they know is the first bit of evidence that was used to rearrest.
Mos has much more and is holding on to it.
He will release evidence as it is needed to keep holding the perps.
It's the way their system works.
Mos does not even have to give any evidence to the defense before he
presents it to the judge.

Magnolia,

I hope this is correct and that Mos has more cards up his sleeve...I've been so praying that he hasn't played his full hand yet...

We're all hoping this is the case. 

[dennisintn]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

If this is true about one of the K2 being released, my bet would be on Satish...

Not mentally competent to stand trial?

 

But he was going to be a doctor....

hopefully a proctologist on aruba.
dennisintn

[AZSunny]

Think about it.....the Kalpoe lawyers have been spouting off since
the first day of the arrests, just as Joe T. has been.
All they know is the first bit of evidence that was used to rearrest.
Mos has much more and is holding on to it.
He will release evidence as it is needed to keep holding the perps.
It's the way their system works.
Mos does not even have to give any evidence to the defense before he
presents it to the judge.

Yes,  don't you just love that part?   

[Tamikosmom]

ALSO - as of right now NOTHING at RU about a release, NOTHING on Greta's blog about a release.

DO NOT listen to the defense attorneys!

OK Klaas ... I will not listen to the defence but ... it does appear that in Aruba the defence are the first to know.

Janet

+++++++++++

LOVING NATALEE
Beth Holloway

Page 182 - Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!".

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

That's the way they used to roll under the old "regime".  It's not happening that way any more.  Last time, the DEFENSE was running the investigation! 

Not on Mos's watch!  That's the big difference here.

Helen ... I pray you are right but ... how can you be certain?

With all my heart I hope and pray that Aruba is now serious about affording justice for Natalee Holloway but ... considering that Paulus van der Sloot was not detained along with Joran, Deepak and Satish and ... considering the past foundation that I derive my skepticism from ...  I am not willing to get on that emotional roller coaster ride again ... only to be plunged into the depths of despair.  I have been there ... done that ...

Respectfully, Janet

[AZSunny]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

If this is true about one of the K2 being released, my bet would be on Satish...

Not mentally competent to stand trial?

 

But he was going to be a doctor....

hopefully a proctologist on aruba.
dennisintn

Too funny... you think he could pass that training?

[blah]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

If this is true about one of the K2 being released, my bet would be on Satish...

Not mentally competent to stand trial?

 

But he was going to be a doctor....

hopefully a proctologist on aruba.
dennisintn

that would actually be a pretty good business.

Lord knows that island is FULL of assholes!!

[Anna]

I wonder which news outlet would be the first to report on any decisions made.  Maybe the Aruban 24hora website? 

Interesting new rumor that it was an undercover cop who infiltrated with Joran in Holland.

And add to that bug from within the home of Satish.  If they are saying the same thing at both location, Mos has them.  No way to explain that away, IMO.

.

[klaasend]

I wonder which news outlet would be the first to report on any decisions made.  Maybe the Aruban 24hora website? 

Interesting new rumor that it was an undercover cop who infiltrated with Joran in Holland.

And add to that bug from within the home of Satish.  If they are saying the same thing at both location, Mos has them.  No way to explain that away, IMO.

.

NOTHING at 24ora, NOTHING on Greta's blog, NOTHING at RU except Lazlo saying the decision may not come out until later this afternoon or tomorrow.

[blah]

I wonder which news outlet would be the first to report on any decisions made.  Maybe the Aruban 24hora website? 

Interesting new rumor that it was an undercover cop who infiltrated with Joran in Holland.

And add to that bug from within the home of Satish.  If they are saying the same thing at both location, Mos has them.  No way to explain that away, IMO.

.

aruban defense lawyers--->TacoTheMouth---->Internet mouthpieces

[Frank]

Janet,

Respectfully, you are already on the roller coaster with us. Your work will not be in vain.

Being right will not ease the pain, so I say, let go and bring the positive energy, we've gotten off the canvas before and we will again if we have to.

A bible to Joran is what a cross is to vampires. He will burn, one way or another, the van der sloots will burn.

[Anna]

With regard to what the defense attorneys are calling old evidence, what if this was never presented to the judges by Karin Janssen and is found to be credible and incriminating?

I suppose under their system, she is free to just neglect to do that even though it would be her job?

.

[igsigs]

"DO NOT LISTEN TO DEFENSE ATTORNEYS!"    

H/T Klaasend 11/30/07

[igsigs]

NE Story - if true, makes sense to have a male undercover. It would be to dangerous to have a young female get *close* to Joran. Obviously.

[klaasend]

NE Story - if true, makes sense to have a male undercover. It would be to dangerous to have a young female get *close* to Joran. Obviously.

SAN is on her way to try and find the NE on the stands.  If she gets it, she'll scan and send to me.  I'll post ASAP.

[Anna]

The fact that Mos appears to WANT to sit down with Beth and Dave Holloway is encouraging and quite a change from the past in this regard.

I believe information has been shared, not sure from whom or by whom, but nonetheless shared for coordinating this latest search effort.

Mos has his team of 45 from Holland on the island watching and assisting, hand picked for this.  I think any flaky rulings by the judges will not go unnoticed this time.  Surely they do not want to bring scrutiny down upon themselves and will act according to their own laws this time?

If credible evidence is presented, the judges will be expected to act accordingly, not stress over Joran's school schedule like the friends of Paulus so many of them are.  The victim had schedules as well, something that seems totally lost of some in that judiciary.

Painful and sad as it will be, I do hope Mos is able to give the family absolutes in regard as to whether Natalee is at least alive or deceased now.  Even that would be a step forward from wondering.  They have been treated so badly in the past and his meeting with them is definitely progress.

I think judges can work on weekends from what we have seen in the past from Aruba.  Their system is not big on weekends necessarily as that has been their fav time to release bad news.

That being said, it IS Friday, so am waiting anxiously.  I know Klaas will find it first if a ruling does come down.

[Tylergal]

Let's be cheerleaders for Beth & Dave who are surely sniffing justice.  They have longsuffered far greater than anyone I know.  They have had the most precious item in the world removed from them, stolen and brutalized by thiefs, rogues, murdering thugs.  And yet they remain optimistic, hopeful and very faithful to the cause.

Let's be cheerleaders for Klaas and Red, who have worked long and hard and Mrs. Red who has given up her husband more weekends than not and dear Klaas' who has to time her showers and grocery purchases.  They have spent very tiring hours monitoring, setting up websites, writing articles, coordinating phone calls, etc.

Let's be cheerleaders for Tim Miller who has worked long and hard, who has lost his own child and who continues to be faithful to the cause of lost people everywhere.  Let's keep faith for him, who certainly needs it.  Tim is not a young man and is doing the work of a young man, working day and night, organizing and participating.

We can sit here and chat and, least of all, keep the faith.