Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[SS]

Quote from Hotshot....

LOL yes that thing.  Isn't she just great with computer art programs?
And I for one can say,  CAP's is NOT Art Woods

So where is that Rehab again?



The red arrow on Julia's map is a little rough.  Perhaps she has the DTs.

no this : Korsakov Syndrome
Most severe, irreversible form of brain damage caused by alcohol
characterized by extensive loss of orientation and memory due dying of entire regions of brain cells in the brain between the Limbic system and, in particular, on the short-term memory region. It is characterised by the occurrence of confabulation, which means, that existing memory gaps will be replaced by spontaneous ideas that do not correspond to reality. Someone with this syndrome can't make a staight line on a piece of paper .

That explains it then.....maybe she can't remember what she was doing when Natalee met her demise.

[texasmom]

TM - Glad to hear that you are OK.

Thanks SS!  Yes, we were very fortunate...many others in the area had trees through roofs and other damage. 

[texasmom]

Lmao SS .....glad to see I am not the only one who names pictures like.......................... Juliatheho   
I do it all the time 

me too!   

[Dayhiker]

THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans.

One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T.

Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all.

So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten.

Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class.

And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to.

[Dayhiker]

THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...

Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans.

It's a sad state of affairs when a witness in a murder case can't come forward without being intimidated by the very authorities who are supposed to be solving the case, yet we've seen time after time and witness after witness in Natalee's case. This tyrannical government needs to go down.

[johan555]

THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans.

One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T.

Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all.

So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten.

Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class.

And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to.

 There are 3 judges  and they have to give Hans Mos permission to re-arrest Joran

i post this before

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb  2008
 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday.
An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press.
But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case.

three-judge panel   :: who are these 3 judges ?

[klaasend]

THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans.

One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T.

Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all.

So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten.

Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class.

And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to.

 There are 3 judges  and they have to give Hans Mos permission to re-arrest Joran

i post this before

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb  2008
 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday.
An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press.
But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case.

three-judge panel   :: who are these 3 judges ?

I just posted this same photo in the Caylee Anthony thread because of a similar question 

[texasmom]

THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Rather telling that a presecutor would first try to discredit a witness without talking to them first. No agenda there Hans.

One would think that Aruba would want to solve this case, but alas they think that they are going to wait the clock out and people will just forget. Aruba ... WE WON'T.

Aruba ... you think this is all just going to go away and you will live life happily ever after. How sad ... you do not even know what the future has in store for y'all.

So right, Red. Hans Mos is just trying to run out the clock on the case so he can sneak back to Holland. His mission was to simply put on a PR ploy to give the impression Aruba wanted to solve the case. Total bullshit. He never tried and has put up as many road blocks to solving the case as the Dutch judges have. Hans has proven himself every bit as crooked as Karin Jannsen, Ben Vocking and Jan van der Straten.

Why does Holland always send their drgs of life to Aruba to handle their legal and judicial systems? They need to clean up the corruption in their system in Aruba or get out of the business of offering government services. I suspect the REAL Arubans could do a better job. At least they would do away with the corruption in the elite Dutch class.

And no, we won't go away, as much as Hans would like for us to.

 There are 3 judges  and they have to give Hans Mos permission to re-arrest Joran

i post this before

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) —feb  2008
 Judges have rejected an attempt to re-arrest a Dutch college student in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a prosecutor said Friday.
An appeals court ruled Thursday that authorities do not have enough new evidence to arrest Joran van der Sloot for a third time, prosecutor Dop Kruimel told the Associated Press.
But Kruimel said the three-judge panel decided his statements in the recording conflicted with some of his previous statements to investigators and other evidence in the case.

three-judge panel   :: who are these 3 judges ?

I doubt we will ever find their names Johan..
That's how they choose to operate, but I did find this information.  I am still looking for specific names of these judges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Appeals_Court_of_the_Netherlands_Antilles_and_Aruba

Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba serves the Caribbean territories of the Kingdom of the Netherlands[1]. The court services appeals from lower courts in the Caribbean territories, and is a peer with similar courts in the Netherlands. The Common Court has been established on Curaçao, but also holds court in Aruba and Sint Maarten.

Contents [show]
1 Composition
2 Right of Appeal
3 Future of the Court
4 See also
5 References
 


[edit] Composition
The court is composed of judges from the first level of courts. Judges that took part in at case at the lower level may not participate in a case at this level.

[edit] Right of Appeal
The Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands specified that appeals of first-level courts must be regulated. That law is the declaration of 20 July 1961, Stb. 1961, 212, titled the "Cassatieregeling Nederlandse Antillen" ("Appeals Regulations of the Netherlands Antilles"), later renamed "Cassatieregeling Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba". This law fixed that the High Council of the the Netherlands recognizes the jurisdiction of the Combined Appeals Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba over civil and criminal cases which were initiated in the first-level courts within those territories.

One distinction between the appeals procedure in the Netherlands and that of the Caribbean territories is that when a judgment of a Netherlands court is overturned by the High Council, the case is generally turned over to a different court at the same level for purposes of rendering a new decision. Because the Common Court is the only court at its level, it will rehear its own cases after being overruled.

[edit] Future of the Court
After the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles, currently scheduled for December 15, 2008, the court will be renamed, but will serve the same function for the new countries of Curacao and Sint Maarten, as well as for the islands of Bonaire, Saba, and St. Eustatius.


[edit] See also
Dutch Wikipedia article on which this article is based

[edit] References
^ Rechtspraak.nl - Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Appeals_Court_of_the_Netherlands_Antilles_and_Aruba"

[texasmom]

Klaas 

Close to my thinking...Smid, Witt, WittPete, or SmidRePete...

[SS]

We don't know for certain that a panel of three judges ever met.  This could have simply been a decision made by DTKM.  I am so anxious to learn what will transpire at the 6 PM meeting tonight.

[SS]

I am still wondering if Paulass is still on the island.  His a$$ is grass and Diario will be the lawn mower tomorrow morning.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Johan's posting of Julia's map prompted me to visit RU, painful as that might be.  I just had to share some of the stuff that is over there.  RU is so tied to Julia's nonsense and the don't see her as a major player in the cover up.  They would certainly be shocked to know where Julia was the night that Natalee disappeared.

- Glenda Renfro has created a map of the Monserat area.  She has identified street lights and all houses where the witness could be living.  Very intelligent Julia!!! 
- Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond.
- Julia says that she hasn't spoken to the witness, but that is probably because reports have her in rehab right now.
- Glenda has reported that John S. Swartz is the examiner and consultant for the Dr. Phil Show at CBS/Paramount Productions in Los Angeles.  Glenda refers to him as an Entertainment Polygrapher and the monkeys would be thrilled to bestow a crown on him.
- OM is smarter than a pack of monkeys.
- There is speculation that Caps is Art Woods.
- Charles Cores was quoted as claiming that he was told by Beth about Jug abusing both Beth and Natalee.
- RU claims that Natalee was intended to be kidnapped and placed in rehab.
- Tommy Twitty "offed" his cousin.
- Tim Miller does not have a lot of results or credibility.  This trip to Aruba is a publicity stunt and an opportunity for a free vacation.
- GBMW is a live and well and posting at RU.
- Jossy is trying to get even because of Luis.

ss :
Julia claims that Patrick van der Eem's brother has a house that is next to the pond.
 i heard that also but it is true ?

I don't know.  This is the first that I have heard about Patrick's brother's house.  Glenda Renfro has been saying it on RU.  If it is true, there's a poetic justice here.  Patrick puts Urine at the beach, but the other reports put Urine in front of his brother's house.   

Re Patrick's brother....I immediately remembered CAPS posting something....I just searched and found it, but it's about the Kalpoe neighborhood...I think:

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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 05:37:20 PM
update info to all who think patrick is a ........

Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down.

van der Eem   Patrick P      4/1/1973   Curacao      Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem   Perry I      7/20/1971Curacao      Seroe Pita 7A

Kalpoe   Bodjhperkash S         5/2/1964   Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera

Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. 

in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business.

in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal.

To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE  and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse.

SACREFICE
SCAREFACE

More to come....

[SS]

2NJ - did we ever learn where Patrick's brother is currently living?  I don't recall us talking about it.  Is there anyone who can confrim his currently address and the address where he was in 2005?  I do recall that Patrick's brother runs a watersports company and that was where Urine supposedly new him.

[Ono]

Thanks for the video/sound of Dana & Jossy, Klass.   
Jossy is a hero-he rocks!  Everyone knows that reputable LE uses lie detectors only as a tool to try to get to the truth.....who is Mos fooling ?  Unreal.

It doesn't even make sense! Any prosecutor would LOVE someone to TAKE a polygraph -- you just can't use it in court to CONVICT someone. It is VERY useful to gauge veracity.
Mos = Tool

Exactly !

[Ono]

Does anyone know if the Diario witness statements are also being published in Dutch and American newspapers?  These statements could be very helpful in rallying public opinion and putting more pressure on Aruba.  If they only remain in Aruba, the rest of the world won't know about them.  Does anyone have newspaper connections????

At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.

meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.

Oh, my word !  Dare we get our hopes up ??  Oh, why not !!  Plan B sounds BEAUTIFUL to me !   OORAH!

[2NJSons_Mom]

2NJ - did we ever learn where Patrick's brother is currently living?  I don't recall us talking about it.  Is there anyone who can confrim his currently address and the address where he was in 2005?  I do recall that Patrick's brother runs a watersports company and that was where Urine supposedly new him.

SS, I don't recall reading the brother's current address.....not sure the database CAPS accessed has/had current info or if it was a combo of both old & new, or if anyone else has access to such.  I also recall the watersports company being discussed.  Wish I could help.

[SS]

If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run".

[Rob]

If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run".

you have no idea how happy I am that the spot light is finally where it belongs - on Paulus.

I think Minnesota Dad and myself have been the two most vocal on that guy's involvement.

there are a few others too...

[SS]

If you listen carefully, you can hear Rudy Smurf saying, "Run Paul, Run".

you have no idea how happy I am that the spot light is finally where it belongs - on Paulus.

I think Minnesota Dad and myself have been the two most vocal on that guy's involvement.

there are a few others too...

Yes Rob, you have been all over him.  I am concerned that Paulass will bolt.  If not, I wonder if the citizens of Aruba will be in his front yard, just like the Anthonys.  Hey, does Fox have a cam in Aruba???

[GreatOwl]

Capslock is awesome!  He's the MAN! 

I will second that and also everyone of the posters here!  I just hope Nat's case is solved soon.  It's been too long especially with all of the cover ups and corruption etc.  I usually read here(for years) but don't post.  I am very excited about this.

I'm excited too!

I really can't get too excited over this.  How many times have we been down this path during these last years.  It is one thing to have "reports" and "evidence" uncovered.  It is quite another to expect the that judicial system in Aruba is about to accept anything at this point.  Not to be too negative about this, but I doubt the "judges" would even act on an actual video tape of the crime.  The judicial system is corrupt and will not act to resolve this issue.

I do hope I am wrong.....

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