Haleigh Marie Cummings #24 9/26/09 - 10/02/09

[theboyzmom]

Ok - here are my two cents worth on the confession issue. Priest/penitent privilege is a long honored concept. The basis for it is that a priest should not have to divulge information given to them in the course of their duties with the church. This has been expanded in many places to include not only other denominations, but to anyone that give spiritual advise to a person. The key, from what I learned when I worked in the law is that the priest does not HAVE to disclose. That does not precluding him from disclosing. It only means that no one can make him disclose. In Michigan, child abuse MUST be reported even if it is a clergy that receives the information. Another important point is that the disclosure must be made in the performance of the clergy's duties i.e. during the sacrament of confession.

I think this is important in that (1) Anything that happened to HaLeigh WAS child abuse or neglect and therefore must be reported, (2) if Misty is not Catholic there would be a blurring of the line of the "official duties".  I looked up Florida and spiritual advisers are required to report any known or suspected abuse or neglect.

[Heart]

When Does the Clergy/Priest-Penitent Privilege Apply?

The privilege is a state law, which means each state has its own rules and regulations regarding how it can be used.  Although in the past there were many strict rules regarding its use (such as only applying if the clergy and the confessor were of the same religious denomination), nowadays most states only have two main requirements restricting its use:
The confessor must be speaking to the clergyman in his religious capacity.  This means that you must be talking to the clergyman as your religious adviser, not just as your friend or associate.  Simply having a conversation with a priest is not automatically privileged.
No third parties may be present (unless they too are clergy you are confessing to).  You cannot make a confession in front of other people and still expect the conversation to be secret.

If these two requirements are met, any conversation you have with the cleric, even an admission of murder, is not admissible in court (with the notable exception below).   

Another important question is who holds the privilege; the clergy, the confessor, or both? That is to say, which of the two people involved controls whether it is used.  Can a priest refuse to testify even if the confessor waives his right?  Are the things the priest says privileged too?  The states are divided evenly as to who holds the privilege, with about 1/3 saying the clergy, 1/3 saying the confessors, and 1/3 saying both.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/clergypriest-privilege.html

Clergy as Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse and Neglect
State Statutes Series
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/clergymandated.cfm

[Heart]

Clergy as Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse and Neglect (Florida)

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/clergymandatedall.pdf

[mymonkey]

Good Morning, I could never figure out, and I never will, if you confess something like murder to a priest they don't have to tell. I was born and raised a Catholic, it makes no sense to me 

Excuse my ignorance...Is Misty Catholic? and Do you have to be Catholic to make a confession to a Priest?

Sorry to repeat myself, but if a kind monkey that knows this answer is much appreciated......Do you have to be Catholic to confess to a Priest?

[klaasend]

Good Morning, I could never figure out, and I never will, if you confess something like murder to a priest they don't have to tell. I was born and raised a Catholic, it makes no sense to me 

Excuse my ignorance...Is Misty Catholic? and Do you have to be Catholic to make a confession to a Priest?

Sorry to repeat myself, but if a kind monkey that knows this answer is much appreciated......Do you have to be Catholic to confess to a Priest?

I'm not Catholic but I don't beleive so, I think anyone can confess to a priest no matter what their religion is.

[mymonkey]

Good Morning, I could never figure out, and I never will, if you confess something like murder to a priest they don't have to tell. I was born and raised a Catholic, it makes no sense to me 

Excuse my ignorance...Is Misty Catholic? and Do you have to be Catholic to make a confession to a Priest?

Sorry to repeat myself, but if a kind monkey that knows this answer is much appreciated......Do you have to be Catholic to confess to a Priest?

I'm not Catholic but I don't beleive so, I think anyone can confess to a priest no matter what their religion is.

Thank you for answering that for me...I was beginning to think I was the invisible monkey.

[strayze]

Maybe Misty found Spell Check on her Computer....lol.

Even spell check cannot distinguish between sound alike words like "sole" and "soul".  The dictionary is preferred to spell check to prevent the many misspellings that occur on blogs.

[penny for your thoughts]

I just came across this letter and have not seen it posted here. Thought you all might like to see it. (I know we have discussed the contents already.)

well i have not caught up and decided to work my way back but i have 2 questions... can anyone do an accurate x marks the spot in google earth or anything? 1620 ft straight from right side of mh then 36 feet north... i know nothing was found but is this the location of a well atleast? could have been a temporary hiding spot... did this letter get delivered after the nay nay letter mentioning the black bag? can we gat a map of where the well actually is located... noticed he said straight then north... i'm guessing this means direct north... kind of strange since he claims to be an fbi informant and a psychic... the direct north quote makes me think of possible military.... can anyone else do a search for letters dropped off to newspapers signed sam probably in the past 15-20 years... i am guessing that this guy would not have done this until retirement age since he is supposedly 80 now and has either gone senile or is bored and using his ability as a hobby... if he even exists

[Heart]

I don't know if this guy is related to NayNay or not, but he is in the news



Joe Alan Prevatt of Starke

Prevatt's Bullet Was Self Inflicted
http://www.wcjb.com/news/5086/prevatts-bullet-was-self-inflicted

[Heart]

I don't know if this guy is related to NayNay or not, but he is in the news



Joe Alan Prevatt of Starke

Prevatt's Bullet Was Self Inflicted
http://www.wcjb.com/news/5086/prevatts-bullet-was-self-inflicted

Prevatt is registered as a Sexual Offender.
Positive identification cannot be established unless a fingerprint comparison is made.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=22315

[penny for your thoughts]

Good Morning, I could never figure out, and I never will, if you confess something like murder to a priest they don't have to tell. I was born and raised a Catholic, it makes no sense to me 

Excuse my ignorance...Is Misty Catholic? and Do you have to be Catholic to make a confession to a Priest?

Sorry to repeat myself, but if a kind monkey that knows this answer is much appreciated......Do you have to be Catholic to confess to a Priest?

I'm not Catholic but I don't beleive so, I think anyone can confess to a priest no matter what their religion is.

Thank you for answering that for me...I was beginning to think I was the invisible monkey.

not positive but since confession (pennance_ is one of the 7 sacraments like baptism etc etc then i think you do have to be catholic so that way you can do the other sacramnets first.... i think... like baptism then pennance then first comunnion then confirmation then marriage then priesthood and i'm forgetting some along the way

[Heart]

Joe Alan Prevatt, 42, of Starke was arrested Feb. 25 by Bradford Deputy Brian Waldorf for failure to properly register address as required by a sexual offender. Prevatt was staying at 511 Center St. next to a day care center, Deputy Waldorf said.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19389615&BRD=2150&PAG=461&dept_id=377013&rfi=6

[fatcatlurker]

Joe Alan Prevatt, 42, of Starke was arrested Feb. 25 by Bradford Deputy Brian Waldorf for failure to properly register address as required by a sexual offender. Prevatt was staying at 511 Center St. next to a day care center, Deputy Waldorf said.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19389615&BRD=2150&PAG=461&dept_id=377013&rfi=6

Of course he was.

[Girlzrock]

http://www.stephwattsreporter.com/

A link to his site with a picture of him.

Shouldn't a journalist know how to spell though?  LOL it surprised me it was a grown man in "the business"  sounded like a teenage girl writing to me.... oh well, what do I know.

[MomofaMarine]

Lisa Croslin $0 bond???



http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/portal/ccc/caseSearch/caseSearchPublic/caseSearchPublicResults/?a1=1004965|2564069|CJIS

[MomofaMarine]

Sorry! The link didnt work. Here is what it says.



Defendant Details
            
Defendant    Case Number    Defendant Status    Case Status
Crosling, Lisa Carmen    GS460391    PENDING    OPEN
   
Appearance Details
            
Date    Judge    Court Room    Attorney    Reason
09/30/2009 - 09:00 A.M.    Eisenstein, Dan    Birch Bldg, Court Room 3B    Johnson, Martesha L.    Trial
   
Charge Details
            
Charged/Cited Offense(s)    Convicted    Disposition    Bond    Date
Fugitive              $0    
   
Charging Instrument
            
Downloads
 
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[seahorse]

Yes klaas and I talked and I was told what I did was wrong and I except that. I don't want no trouble for I love comeing here. I did think of this forum as family. But I do feel like I am being picked on a bit today. But I am sure I prolly am not. I won't say another thing that she says to me I promise. That is all I can say. Is that I am sorry

It was not my intent to make you feel singled out.  It's not easy moderating all of these threads, and I'll never fill Klaas's shoes, for sure.  If this was a case of poor judgement on my part, you'll be the first to know. 

Let's carry on.....justice for Haleigh. 

Hi,


May I please have an example to what is OK, and was it not?  I understand posting chatting conversations is dead wrong.
What if I quote Ms. Nancy from her show on the pillow cases, is that acceptable?  I know that isn't chat or is it?
Thank-you, I just wish to be clear on the futher postings.

Seahorse~  Ms Nancy has a tv show that is open for everyone to watch, so that wouldn't be a personal chat.  We are supposed to give a link for quotes and articles  brought to Scared Monkeys from outside sources.  If I remember correctly, you just made a brief comment about the pillowcases.  That isn't chat. 

What luvmyboys got into trouble with was taking what was said in a chat/chatroom and printing that conversation.  That is personal.  Can you see the difference? 

Thank-you, yes, I can see the difference because it could be a one side conversation.

I find this interesting site, it is almost impossible for me to wrap my brain around these guys, so I am posting it so others can try.

http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/pls/portal/PORTAL.CASESEARCHDEFENDANTNAMEPUB.show

I typed in Croslin and many of the surname of pops up. 

[seahorse]

 I typed in (sorry to repeat) only the last name, I find you can glean so much more with just the last name search.
 


 http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/portal/ccc/caseSearch/caseSearchPublic/caseSearchPublicForms
 
 
 Public Case Search - From Defendant Name 
 
 
Search Results
 
Defendant Name Date of Birth
Croslin, Angel  01-NOV-80
Croslin, Carman  10-JAN-57
Croslin, Carman   
Croslin, Christie  06-MAY-78
Croslin, Clester  17-AUG-32
Croslin, David  30-AUG-55
Croslin, David   
Croslin, Donald   
Croslin, Edna  14-OCT-52
Croslin, Edna  14-OCT-53
Croslin, Fred  13-NOV-27
Croslin, Fred  28-JUL-42
Croslin, George  09-FEB-55
Croslin, Glen  09-APR-52
Croslin, Glenn   
Croslin, Hank  03-AUG-68

[Brandi]

Lisa Croslin $0 bond???



http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/portal/ccc/caseSearch/caseSearchPublic/caseSearchPublicResults/?a1=1004965|2564069|CJIS

I was just looking her up since she was supposed to appear in court this morning.

I see no changes in her bond. (What are you seeing that's different?)

I also thought after court, she would probably be extradited back to Putnam County. I guess the day is still young.

[MomofaMarine]

Lisa Croslin $0 bond???



http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/portal/ccc/caseSearch/caseSearchPublic/caseSearchPublicResults/?a1=1004965|2564069|CJIS

I was just looking her up since she was supposed to appear in court this morning.

I see no changes in her bond. (What are you seeing that's different?)

I also thought after court, she would probably be extradited back to Putnam County. I guess the day is still young.

Lisa Croslin can no longer bail out. Bail changed from $100,000 to $0 http://bit.ly/11jr5a