Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #41

[jr]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it is ABSOLUTELY sickening. She just makes me want to puke.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17705649/index.html

[misitx5]

Remember a while ago, Leonard had a "theory" about Caylee falling off Tony's balcony? I believe he mentioned skull fragments. Bloody rags in the dumpster. I haven't heard any more discussion of this and I don't think it would hurt to re-visit this theory. Sounds pretty plausible to me.

MrsK I would love to revisit that I do not recall the bloody rags and skull fragments I would love to hear this or read about this? By any chance would you know where??? TIA

[oldfart]

Casey didn't answer as she rushed to her weekly jail. She was not wearing her big white stolen sunglasses, either.

 

She might be thinking about being too

[flossy]

I don't think paternity will come out with the GJ unless LE feels that it may be a motive. Leonard's source is "official" but that's all I can say. Des may be able to give you more. I swear, Leonard loves her. LOL! Leonard said that Cindy & Lee knew but not George until this all happened. I don't believe any other family members were aware.

Remember a while ago, Leonard had a "theory" about Caylee falling off Tony's balcony? I believe he mentioned skull fragments. Bloody rags in the dumpster. I haven't heard any more discussion of this and I don't think it would hurt to re-visit this theory. Sounds pretty plausible to me.

How did Cindy and Lee know this?  Did they know prior to Caylee going missing?  If the answers to these questions are not known, I'm wondering what your theory is, MrsKub.   To me, this all makes an absolutely huge difference in relation to the whole family dynamic.   

[le singe bete]

Someone please give this woman the verbal b****slap she so richly deserves!

Cindy Anthony Accuses State Attorney of Political Gain

http://www.wesh.com/news/17702112/detail.html

Lisa

This woman absolutely does not know when to be quiet.  Unbelieveable

Reading this comment from CA made me decide to quit lurking!  Every ounce of sympathy I had for this woman is gone.  I was trying so hard to understand her and understand what it must have been like to deal with a child who is a sociopath.  I have a sibling with these traits and I have seen the overwhelming need to normalize their antics.  But, the Anthony's have had time to discover what the issues were/are.  I guess I thought the gparents would "come around", read a book, talk to a Dr., understand what they were dealing with.  And instead we get these comments about a politically motivated DA.  Yeeck!

But, it does make me wonder......maybe LP's comments are dead on.  The Anthony family is pulling out the stakes it seems to cover up something odious.....something that came before a murder.

Oh, and I love SM.  Thank you monkeys for letting me vent. 

[mrskub]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it is ABSOLUTELY sickening. She just makes me want to puke.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17705649/index.html

Excuse me while I go toss my dinner!

[mrskub]

Remember a while ago, Leonard had a "theory" about Caylee falling off Tony's balcony? I believe he mentioned skull fragments. Bloody rags in the dumpster. I haven't heard any more discussion of this and I don't think it would hurt to re-visit this theory. Sounds pretty plausible to me.

MrsK I would love to revisit that I do not recall the bloody rags and skull fragments I would love to hear this or read about this? By any chance would you know where??? TIA

misi, I believe it was on one of the NG shows. I don't have a link but I'll see if I can find something.

[abbey09]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it is ABSOLUTELY sickening. She just makes me want to puke.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17705649/index.html

OK,  SERIOUSLY.....CINDY HAS TOTALLY LOST IT !!!!!!  She also looks ill, very thin. 
Casey should thank her stars in heaven that there is one person on the planet who believes her lies.

[islandmonkey]

Thanks OLD FART~ it is very easy to transfer securities from the donor to a TES account, it's usully done the same day as the request, then the stocks are sold and the money wired directly into the TES bank account.

[mrsrocko19]

Monkeys, I was on a 3 way call with Marlee & Erin Bridwell from TES.  She emphatically told us that Tim & TES are NOT pulling out. Caylee is at the forefront of every TES volunteers heart and they have every intent of continuing their search for her.

Tim is coming home tonight and at the time of the call, Erin didn't have a date for the search but she assures us IT WILL CONTINUE.

I have never lied or misled any of you. Please quit stressing yourself over this search. It will happen. I promise! I have Erin's word on it.

Now, take a deep breath and trust Tim. He won't let us down. If anyone can find Caylee, it will be Tim & TES.

thanks MrsK...that's the same thing I was told....no decision made on when....Tim coming home....and as soon as a date has been determined they will post it on the website.  So I guess that clears up for us that TIM will NOT be testifying at the GJ tomorrow....  Mrs. K did you see my question to you yesterday??

I'm sorry Sunny, I didn't. I worked most of the day on the cookbook stuff. I'm here now if you'd like to ask again.

Ok...and feel free to tell me/us to shut up!! You state after several phone conversations you had I believe yesterday....you had changed your postion on Lee being Caylee's bioDad...I was wonder what, if anything you can share about those conversations that changed your mind....I have to say I am still on the fence....I knw LP said yes...then I read that he had heard it was was 50/50 on it and HH's friend says No.....but you seemed to change your psotion from no to yes...after your phone calls....  Also the things we talked about re: the cook book look to be a GO!!!

As I said, I was skeptical about Leonard in the beginning. I found him to be very honest and admitted when he was wrong. I truly believe that he cares about this case as much, if not more, than we do here. Remember, this man lost $50,000 on the bond.

He has stated that his source (which I cannot reveal) has confirmed that Lee is the father of Caylee. He has further indicated, and I agree, had this NOT been true, Cindy, Lee & Baez would have been all over this and they haven't. Not a peep out of them. Leonard has stated this on NG, it's been on all the forums and blogs. Nothing has been heard from the Anthony camp.  In fact, it seems like the whole family has disappeared from the media and the front of their house. All of a sudden, Lee hires an attorney and refuses a DNA sample until it is court ordered. Lee is out of sight now too.

I am convinced that Leonard is telling the truth. Everything he has said so far as fact, has proven to be true. This he says is fact. I'm not sure why he would tell the other poster's niece something different. Maybe he just doesn't know her and isn't comfortable.

Mrs..When did lee get an attorney? WOW! This is the first i have heard of this was it before or after the refusal of dna?

[San]

ya know, at some point this case will conclude, and in the mean time TES will have located more missing people.

Tim Miller does not owe the Anthonys anything. Nothing, zero, zilch.. nada! As the case concludes and Casey is sent on her merry way to spend the rest of her life either awaiting the needle of death, or for death to come in old age... there will be a lot to think about.

Casey will not care, you all know that... but Cindy Anthony will look back on the time she had a chance to recover her granddaughter and spit in the face of the people who were willing to go to any length to find Caylee. When the cameras are gone and the donations jars have dried up and no one is willing to hire her. Would you hire Cindy as a nurse when she can't even drum up any sympathy or caring for her own granddaughter? What kind of care would you receive? And would any doctor or health care chain wish for instant bankruptcy when the word gets out that Cindy Anthony works there? It will be a long lonely miserable life - what's left of it anyway.

Those days will be long past, and as Cindy grows old and reflects on her own life, she will realize the missed chances to make some things right in this world.

I'll have no sympathy for Cindy or George... or the mama's boy wimp Lee.

Life is about opportunities... some gained and some lost.

I agree Rob.  I have not one ounce of sympathy for these people.  I don't believe that Cindy is hurting or in some sort of denial and George is in a fragile state.  I don't believe it and I don't care.  They made their bed and now they can lie in it. 

[abbey09]

Someone please give this woman the verbal b****slap she so richly deserves!

Cindy Anthony Accuses State Attorney of Political Gain

http://www.wesh.com/news/17702112/detail.html

Lisa

This woman absolutely does not know when to be quiet.  Unbelieveable

Reading this comment from CA made me decide to quit lurking!  Every ounce of sympathy I had for this woman is gone.  I was trying so hard to understand her and understand what it must have been like to deal with a child who is a sociopath.  I have a sibling with these traits and I have seen the overwhelming need to normalize their antics.  But, the Anthony's have had time to discover what the issues were/are.  I guess I thought the gparents would "come around", read a book, talk to a Dr., understand what they were dealing with.  And instead we get these comments about a politically motivated DA.  Yeeck!

But, it does make me wonder......maybe LP's comments are dead on.  The Anthony family is pulling out the stakes it seems to cover up something odious.....something that came before a murder.

Oh, and I love SM.  Thank you monkeys for letting me vent. 

Is there any question now as to WHY George says his marriage wont make it......Cindy is a freakin Basket case !!!

[SS]

OK ... Here is what I am thinking ... At the GJ hearing tomorrow ... they will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Caylee is dead ... They will then give Casey the option to cooperate and tell Tim where she is and allow her to be recovered in exchange for not seeking the death penalty ....

anyone else?

I am about 20 pages behind but your theory is a good one.  I have been having this sick feeling all day about Caylee being burned.  Does anyone remember in one of Cindy's interviews with LE she said there was the smell of smoke.  I have just been having these horrible thoughts about what the monster did to this beautiful child.  I also was thinking since we saw some of the pictures last night from the search there was some type of saw found, what if the B-tch dismember the baby and through her remains in different Canals, there would be nothing left to find. 
No matter what happens, Casey will have to answer sooner or later.  God will take care of her!

Remember Reds pictures? The new shovel, the hack blade, a back pack and some large white plastic looking stuff. These seemed to be very significant. Lets work with these tools for a scenario.  I think you are getting close. I remember a poster saying if RED is saying something listen very carefully.

It is me who keeps reminding everyone to focus on what Red tells us.  Red is very involved with TES and the searches.  He is directly connected to Tim.  Often, he has information that he can't share with us for obvious reasons.  He does try to tell us whatever information that he can.  We should be looking very carefully at the five location pictures that I have been posting and the picture of the shovel.  It appears that the shovel was found when they were searching in the location near the airport and the office park.  Red called it the "trifecta", but he can't find the address.  KCJackie seems to think that it might be near Semoran Rd.  Red also mentioned that he found the shovel under a bridge.  I wonder if there is a bridge (large or small) in that area.  Do any of the locals know?  I also wonder if Red's location is the same as where the witness claims to have seen Casey emerging from the woods in the jogging suit and baseball cap.  KCJackie or one of the other posters has told us that there is a nearby office park with a dumpster.  This is not the Amscot dumpster, but it is of interest to LE and it was taped off.  Trusting where Red has led us, this area has to be of primary importance in this case and they were there because of Casey's cell phone information.  Remember, Red was there with TES.  It is also important to listen to Destiny when she tries to give you information.  Destiny talks directly to people involved.  Just like Red, she can't always tell us everything if it would put the case in jeopardy.  Remember, there are lots of lurkers here who might not be on the same team with us.  Some of us have been working together for a very long time.  When Red, Destiny, and MrsKub are telling you that they have direct information - listen carefully.  I know that lots of posters have all kinds of theories, but the information that you are getting from Red, MrsKub, and Destiny is more than just a theory.  Go where they are leading you.


The Body Farm has the leading scientists who study insects and decomposition.  The maggots will bring Casey down. 

[monkey deep]

Concerning the discussion about decomposition...it seems to me that if someone had a body to get rid of, a freezer would come to mind right away, unless they had a place in mind to take the body as soon as the crime was committed.  That takes us to premeditation.  If Casey premeditated the act, she most likely had an idea of where to dispose of the body.  I think there is reason to suspect that she had been at least thinking of killing Caylee, but perhaps she was rushed into doing it before she had a complete plan in the works.  I thought the same thing about Scott Peterson.  I think he had been researching tides and otherwise planning to kill Laci before the baby came.  But he did not intend to do it on Christmas Eve or the night before.  That put him in the strange position of spending a big part of the day on Christmas Eve fishing.  In other words, he had in mind what he wanted to do, but something made him do it earlier than he planned.  That might have happened with Casey, too.  Maybe the argument with her parents caused her to snap or he involvement with Tony made her hurry to get rid of the child.  Then when it happened, her plans were not as well-thought out as they might have been.  She clearly had thought of claiming that the child had been kidnapped, a la Susan Smith, by a carjacker.  But that did not work out.  Maybe she recalled that Smith was tripped up when she claimed it happened at a stoplight where there was camera surveillance.  But for some reason, she could not get that plan to work out.  She was stuck with a dead body in the trunk of the car for longer than she expected to have it there.

I think the fluids leaked out and began to smell days after the body was disposed of.  The smell got worse and worse, and so she abandoned the car.  She even left the car seat and the doll in the car, and it would not make sense to say that someone stole the car with the child in it while it was in the AMSCOT parking lot.  So she started thinking about plan B, between partying and having sex with guys, of course.  More and more time passed, and she still did not have her story straight in all its details.  Then her mom jumped the gun, found her and called 911.  Casey was in a real bind.  Mom not only knew that Caylee was not with Casey, she also had the car which smelled like a dead body.  Casey started spinning a yarn about the nanny out of desperation. 

She probably thought she had weeks, maybe even months, of stalling her mother with tales of being out of town or Caylee being at Disneyworld or asleep.  But Mom tracked her down, so everything changed on a dime.  She was left with a totally unbelievable story of waiting 31 days to even report a missing child and of a nanny nobody knew.

I think Casey wanted to come up with a more plausible story, but she did not know how to do it.  Once the car became a reeking death mobile, she was flummoxed.  Just think how different this story would be if the car had not had the smell of death or body fluids in it.  That smell caused her to panic and abandon the car.  Her mother tracking her down caused her to blurt out the nanny story.

Otherwise, she may have planned to say that she had been carjacked or that someone had kidnapped Caylee while they were at Blanchard Park and she could not stop them in time.  But the smelly car made that impossible and her mother finding her and calling 911 before she could really come up with a good story to tell the cops made her resort to a tale that only a fool would accept.

Very good thoughts Hudsunn. 

[misitx5]

Remember a while ago, Leonard had a "theory" about Caylee falling off Tony's balcony? I believe he mentioned skull fragments. Bloody rags in the dumpster. I haven't heard any more discussion of this and I don't think it would hurt to re-visit this theory. Sounds pretty plausible to me.

MrsK I would love to revisit that I do not recall the bloody rags and skull fragments I would love to hear this or read about this? By any chance would you know where??? TIA

misi, I believe it was on one of the NG shows. I don't have a link but I'll see if I can find something.

Thanks MrsK I am sure Carpe would have it but I wouldnt know where to look because I dont remember it...

[Anninflorida]

So...Lee has an attorney now???  This is getting really interesting!!!

[SunnyinTX]

FWIW.....I just spoke this AM with person deeply involved with the case....(not LP)...I was told...*there is significant new evidence currently being forensically tested*....this is NEW evidence from the Orange County Crime Division....sorry I can't say more at this time.....but I promise you this info is accurate...Des

I have a feeling that whatever it is, it's big.   Thanks, Des.  I was very glad to read this and trust everything you share with us!

Does anyone have any good guesses about when we might learn what "significant new evidence" is or if they actually have Caylee's body????    I am hoping tomorrow

my guess is that as soon as the GJ issues a true bill we are not going to hear anything more about evidence, testing etc...except through the discovery process via the Freedom of Information act.  JMO

[klaasend]

So...Channel 6 News is reporting there will be 6 witnesses tomorrow...one of whom is George.  Is anyone else surprised at this low number of people testifying?  It really made me think that they must have some pretty powerful evidence....much, much more than we are aware of. 

Yep, they have way more than we know of.

[SunnyinTX]

Afternoon fellow monkeys~I need ALL your help. I just sent a lengthy e-mail request to Peter Coors of Miller-Coors asking for a donation of appreciated stock in lieu of cash. Please say a prayer tonight and tomorrow that he will read the entire e-mail and respond with a donation. I called TES and spoke with Erin about donations made this way because for the very wealthy they are highly adventagous for the tax benefits for the donor and the donee (not sure that's a real word), she had never heard of this type donation and I am sending her some links as to how to link this option on the donations portion of their site. It's very simple to do on TES's side and on the donor's side, so again I ASK FOR EACH AND EVERY MONKEY TO SAY A SPECIAL PRAYER AND REMIND MONKEYS WHO COME ON LATER TO PRAY THAT THE STORY OF TIM AND TES WILL TOUCH HIS HEART.

TIA

thank you so much........prayers and positive thoughts

[jr]

Well...I have to leave you monkeys. Enjoyed the conversations. See everyone tomorrow.