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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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O/T Klaas.......when you get a minute...Jeffrey M. Liepitz [Body Found] please and thank you.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Quote from: ******* on March 19, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: vms on March 19, 2008, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: klaasend on March 19, 2008, 11:03:39 AM
For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian. The research I've done does not lead to AG at all.
Exactly, Klaas.
This post alone rules her out, IMO.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when
it was inaugurated
. So have everybody in
my gradutating class
at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.
Colegio Arubano Yearbooks..Maybe Simian is in there?
http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/index.html
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/index.html
Didn't we, at one time, know the year KIA was inaugurated? Haven't we been down this road before? I'm getting deja vu.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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March 19, 2008, 11:27:14 AM »
Quote from: Buckeye on March 19, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: ******* on March 19, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: vms on March 19, 2008, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: klaasend on March 19, 2008, 11:03:39 AM
For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian. The research I've done does not lead to AG at all.
Exactly, Klaas.
This post alone rules her out, IMO.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when
it was inaugurated
. So have everybody in
my gradutating class
at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.
Colegio Arubano Yearbooks..Maybe Simian is in there?
http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/index.html
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/index.html
Didn't we, at one time, know the year KIA was inaugurated? Haven't we been down this road before? I'm getting deja vu.
In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.
http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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I tell you what....I will ask ArubaGirl myself...as if I haven't already done that before...but I am attempting to do it again. Just for clarity. We are getting sidetracked by this...again. Simian and Shango have their own thread..
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
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Quote from: ******* on March 19, 2008, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: Buckeye on March 19, 2008, 11:22:22 AM
Hans Mos looks awful tall.
He is..I would say at least 6'4
What size shoe does he wear?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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March 19, 2008, 11:43:33 AM »
Quote from: Rob on March 19, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
Rob, Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Email done..let's wait and see what happens.
Steve Croes is Dutch?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Reply #28 on:
March 19, 2008, 11:48:31 AM »
Quote from: Rob on March 19, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
In the last thread, Finbar who started all of this said that we needed to look at the "a", we were told to search Solagnier+genaruba, that's where my info came from. I'd already posted my thoughts on it being Steve Croes/uncle whose name has the "o" not the "a", although I do believe that I've read (somewhere in a transcript) that the relation to Rufo/Steve is through Rufo's wife's side of the family. I swore off of this last night or very early this morning I should say, don't know why I keep trying. And I'm not even sure this post makes sense, if it doesn't just pass on over it.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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March 19, 2008, 11:49:48 AM »
Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 19, 2008, 11:43:36 AM
Email done..let's wait and see what happens.
Steve Croes is Dutch?
Not Dutch. I believe Steve's family was from Curacao.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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March 19, 2008, 11:54:28 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on March 19, 2008, 11:03:39 AM
For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian. The research I've done does not lead to AG at all.
I haven't done research like Klaas has, but I also do NOT believe that AG was Simian. I still email with AG occasionally, and I find her to be a very honest and likable young woman. She has denied repeatedly that she is Siman, and I believe her denials. I agree with Lalas that this is not a productive path to follow.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Reply #31 on:
March 19, 2008, 11:55:15 AM »
Quote from: AZSunny on March 19, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: Rob on March 19, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
Rob, Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??
Sunny, I read Nancy Grace Transcript/Greta transcript last night about his arrest. He was living with grandparents next door to uncle. If a search was done at all it was not a thorough search, based on the length of time the police were there, etc.
Here are some links if you would like to read what was said at the time:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Reply #32 on:
March 19, 2008, 11:55:57 AM »
Quote from: AZSunny on March 19, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: Rob on March 19, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
Rob, Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??
Hi AZ... didn't he live with grandmama? after his divorce? I think he did, but I could be wrong.
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March 19, 2008, 11:57:55 AM »
Quote from: AZSunny on March 19, 2008, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: ******* on March 19, 2008, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: Buckeye on March 19, 2008, 11:22:22 AM
Hans Mos looks awful tall.
He is..I would say at least 6'4
What size shoe does he wear?
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Quote from: texasmom on March 19, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: Rob on March 19, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
In the last thread, Finbar who started all of this said that we needed to look at the "a", we were told to search Solagnier+genaruba, that's where my info came from. I'd already posted my thoughts on it being Steve Croes/uncle whose name has the "o" not the "a", although I do believe that I've read (somewhere in a transcript) that the relation to Rufo/Steve is through Rufo's wife's side of the family. I swore off of this last night or very early this morning I should say, don't know why I keep trying. And I'm not even sure this post makes sense, if it doesn't just pass on over it.
Hi TM... good morning. Well, everyone is free to look at who they wish.. and that's up to each individual. I have never seen the "A"s involved anywhere. But to each his own.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
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Reply #35 on:
March 19, 2008, 12:00:18 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on March 19, 2008, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 19, 2008, 11:43:36 AM
Email done..let's wait and see what happens.
Steve Croes is Dutch?
Not Dutch. I believe Steve's family was from Curacao.
I am confused then...I thought that was a Dutch genealogy site. I really need to pay more attention. Sorry.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 19, 2008, 11:43:36 AM
Email done..let's wait and see what happens.
Steve Croes is Dutch?
Hi Lalas... better get your muffs ready... my email was filled with F bombs... lmao!!!
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According to TJ Ward, Joran had access to the raq. ball center and access to a condo in that same complex. I doubt it but I wonder if he was talking about La Cabana? DId he confuse the 2 Raquetball clubs?
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WARD: Well, just to follow up with some of the leads, like we`re looking at today. I returned over there this morning and talked to the manager of the racquetball club, in regards to Van Der Sloot having access to a home somewhere in the area around the pond. And I`m still trying to confirm some additional information to see if this is true. -
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html
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When they reach La Cabana, Satish puts in a DVD with a nude scene, Natalee says “Oh my God, what is that”. Deepak says "Now she'll think we're perverts". After a few minutes Joran tells Satish “Turn that thing off, she has had enough” (D 6/11)
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Lala's
maybe I missed the genealogy site you are referring to but I don't believe he's Dutch.
Rob
- Steve Croes isn't Dutch is he?
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March 19, 2008, 12:02:33 PM »
Quote from: AZSunny on March 19, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: Rob on March 19, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
Ok, here's what I know.
Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo Sol
O
gier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.
There
are
two spellings for Sol
o
ngier and Sol
a
ngier. We are looking at the people with the
"O"
not the
"A"
.
According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL
Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor. He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.
AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.
Rob, Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??
Sorry, I think I had all the links linked together in my first post, so they wouldn't work! I will have a couple more cups of coffee before I post again.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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