Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[jen3560]

Been looking through my photobucket and came across this photo of Dave.. not sure where it was exaclty taken in Aruba..     I could kick myself in the butt for not labeling photos.. I have maps.. etc and have no clue what they are..

Ang - that pic was taken just above the boat ramp that is between the HI and the Mariott.  The boat ramp we theorized in our Face of Evil series was where they loaded her body onto the Gottenbos boat, and took her out to sea.

[wingnut]

Rough translation from the death certificate:

Cadaver in advanced state of putrefaction.
Trauma to the cranium, brain, and cervical (c-spine).

[klaasend]

Been looking through my photobucket and came across this photo of Dave.. not sure where it was exaclty taken in Aruba..     I could kick myself in the butt for not labeling photos.. I have maps.. etc and have no clue what they are..

Near the fisherman's huts Angie

[Bearlyhere]

I don't get all the criticism of the FBI. Joran had received a downpayment, and the info he gave didn't, or hasn't, produced anything. Had Stephany's murder not happened, don't you think Joran would have come back to the well? The opportunity to tighten the deal in terms of actual results would have been there, and they already had the exortion nailed down. Of course the FBI and Beth wanted more than that! What was she supposed to do..... depend on Aruba??? Give up on ever knowing?

Even in this incident alone, if anyone is responsible, other than Joran. for Stephany's death, it's once again Aruban authorities. We all know without doubt, they tipped him off and that's what caused him to flee.

It's been 5 years and no other murder case in connection with Joran had come to light. The FBI was busy trying to solve a case that was handed on a silver platter to Aruba.

I don't get the criticism of the FBI either-who stands to gain from this I wonder:  Only conclusion I can come up with is Aruba  [ in their minds ].

The FBI's hands have been tied on that island from the very beginning.  They were allowed to go only so far, and no further.  We all here have seen that.  Did they magically change and let the FBI have free rein in this?  I really doubt it.

Oh, when this latest murder broke, Aruba knew they had tipped him off causing him to run and in an effort to deflect blame, they threw Greta a bone and she grabbed it like a hungry dog. They indicated to her that the FBI had all that was needed to charge him and should have arrested him. It's the same old song and dance. He**, Aruba should have convicted him 5 years ago!

Aruba complained about the American media circus.  With the murder of Stephany, we see what Aruba would call a North and South American circus.  What seems to be missing is the Aruban media circus that should have shown up.  Where were they?  It appears that a media circus is a normal event when someone is murdered/missing.  Where were you Aruba?  Distracting the family of Natalee so their daughter would never be found.  Let me ask you, is that normal?  What other distractions have you provided over the years?

Hi CBB!  I am so glad we have remained here together for Natalee over the years.  I have come to love and respect so many people here.  We joined a group no one would ever want to be a member of, a group formed because someone has been harmed, missing, and murdered, and have remained true to the victim.  No distractions here.

 

[Angiex911dsptchr]

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Well, it made for a long summer of laughs during all this so it was worth it to us, if not to Robots.  Poor You.  Our laugh on you, Angie.  Apologies all around but what a coinky dink that would have been.
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[Angiex911dsptchr]

Well, it made for a long summer of laughs during all this so it was worth it to us, if not to Robots.  Poor You.  Our laugh on you, Angie.  Apologies all around but what a coinky dink that would have been.
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  OOPS TYLER... I was responding to you.. Messed up !  Yep... it was funny back then.. Robots is quite the stinker!  ~

[carpe noctem]

Police: Van der Sloot Took Coffee Break by Corpse

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/police-van-der-sloot-took-coffee-break-by-stephany-flores-corpse/19511108

Also, recent reports have suggested that police are looking into van der Sloot in connection with the disappearance of two women in Colombia, but on Wednesday officials there told Fox News they have ruled him out as a potential person of interest in those cases.

[MisGivings]

Van der Sloot case goes to prosecutors
They're deciding on whether premeditation was involved

LIMA, Peru - Police moved Joran van der Sloot to a cell at the prosecutor's office on Thursday as officials prepared to file charges following what they called a remarkably complete confession in the beating and strangling death of a 21-year-old woman.

"We've practically closed the case," criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told The Associated Press.

Sheathed in a bulletproof vest, the young Dutchman was driven less than a mile across central Lima during rush hour in a police caravan escorted by motorcycle officers.

Guardia said Van der Sloot, who also remains the lone suspect in the Natalee Holloway missing-teenager case, "confessed with a wealth of details that have been corroborated through criminal investigative rigor."

But he said Peruvian interrogators restricted their questioning to the case of Stephany Flores, the daughter of a circus promoter and former race car driver whom he met playing poker at a casino.

They did not question him about Holloway's disappearance — exactly five years to the day before Flores was killed.

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

It's not clear what Van der Sloot will be charged with, NBC News reported. Under Peruvian law, the prosecutor must select a judge and together they will decide how to charge him, based on his confession and the evidence.

There are two options, NBC News reported, homicidio simple (murder without premeditation), if it's determined he flew into a rage against Flores and the killing was spontaneous, or homicidio culposo calificado, which is pre-meditated murder.

If tried and convicted on murder charges, Van der Sloot would face from 15 to 35 years in prison.

The attorney for the slain girl's family, Edwar Alvarez, told the AP that prosecutors have until 8 a.m. Friday morning to file charges. Otherwise, Van der Sloot would have to be freed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/ns/world_news-americas/       AKA Gagal_05

[2NJSons_Mom]

I think it was Bo Dietl who was on O'Reilly the other night discussing the FBI's extortion sting in Aruba and both he and O'Reilly agreed that it was Aruba who inexplicably (to them, although we know how corrupt they are) dropped the ball on this one.  I think they said the Aruban government has to give permission to the FBI to make the arrest there.

Yes, I saw that, darleen. However, most news media picked up Aruba's slant. It was out there first and a simpler soundbite. The real story takes some in depth knowledge and a closer look at details. It's the same as in politics. Most people aren't news junkies, and the best soundbites become perception. The devil is always in the details.

And everyone credits Greta is the "authority" to be believed on this case and she was the very first to flaunt that theory to the media.   

I was just thinking last night that Greta ended up in her position following the OJ trial...that debacle.....(please correct me if I'm wrong...)

[JE]

So JVDS is the one who is going to lend the girl money???????

I suppose that all the friends he begged to lend him cash, ( he was asking for a total of 520 Euro's to get out of peru on the 25th of may according to the msn conversation on the peter r de vries website)
must have mistyped a few zero's when they were making the transaction.

He was broke. Beggin for a hundred here and a hundred there. Hardly in a position to lend anyone anything.

[Bearlyhere]

And there's a connundrum, PortValerie; one would think that the more people who know, the greater the chance that someone would start talking...

Darleen, you have been reading my mind.

I have always loved being with the babies in NICU, give them a hug from me.

[Northern Rose]

Netherlands Embassy in Lima interested if Joran Van der Sloot

Two representatives of the Embassy in Lima came to the offices of prosecutors bringing food and other items for the young Dutchman.

Two representatives of the Netherlands Embassy in Lima came to the headquarters of the Public Ministry in Abancay Avenue, where your fellow Joran Van der Sloot, the author confessed to the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores.


There were two women who arrived at the headquarters of the Office identifying themselves as representatives of the Embassy and asking for Van der Sloot.

The officers carried a black bag with food and other items for the young Dutchman.

Leaving the Public Prosecutor avoided making statements to the press.

Meanwhile, the fiscal Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor continues to evaluate the extensive crowded on the crime to determine whether a complaint against Joran before the judiciary.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-10-embajada-de-holanda-en-lima-interesada-en-caso-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_271348.html

[Angiex911dsptchr]

TY Jen and Klaas !

[Bearlyhere]

And there's a connundrum, PortValerie; one would think that the more people who know, the greater the chance that someone would start talking...

That's the really unbelievable part of this.  How do you keep so many people quiet?  Blood ties bind tightly, it seems.  And I don't mean family ties, either.

It had to be the blood ties you speak of, along with the threat of someone in power, someone they were afraid of.  Look at the party, drugging, drinking atmosphere of the potential blood brothers.  How is it possible, in the state they were in at times, to not have confessed to one person outside of this blood brotherhood?  The only answer I can think of is this is a brotherhood of people who are mature and have covered for each other for a long time before Natalee even came in the picture.  Not the kids, but their fathers.

[Blonde]

Van der Sloot case goes to prosecutors
They're deciding on whether premeditation was involved

LIMA, Peru - Police moved Joran van der Sloot to a cell at the prosecutor's office on Thursday as officials prepared to file charges following what they called a remarkably complete confession in the beating and strangling death of a 21-year-old woman.

"We've practically closed the case," criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told The Associated Press.

Sheathed in a bulletproof vest, the young Dutchman was driven less than a mile across central Lima during rush hour in a police caravan escorted by motorcycle officers.

Guardia said Van der Sloot, who also remains the lone suspect in the Natalee Holloway missing-teenager case, "confessed with a wealth of details that have been corroborated through criminal investigative rigor."

But he said Peruvian interrogators restricted their questioning to the case of Stephany Flores, the daughter of a circus promoter and former race car driver whom he met playing poker at a casino.

They did not question him about Holloway's disappearance — exactly five years to the day before Flores was killed.

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

It's not clear what Van der Sloot will be charged with, NBC News reported. Under Peruvian law, the prosecutor must select a judge and together they will decide how to charge him, based on his confession and the evidence.

There are two options, NBC News reported, homicidio simple (murder without premeditation), if it's determined he flew into a rage against Flores and the killing was spontaneous, or homicidio culposo calificado, which is pre-meditated murder.

If tried and convicted on murder charges, Van der Sloot would face from 15 to 35 years in prison.

The attorney for the slain girl's family, Edwar Alvarez, told the AP that prosecutors have until 8 a.m. Friday morning to file charges. Otherwise, Van der Sloot would have to be freed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/ns/world_news-americas/       AKA Gagal_05

THEN WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR

[SuzieQ]

Finally caught up. First a web site for anyone interested in learning more about Trisomy 13.

http://www.livingwithtrisomy13.org/

And can anyone translate what is said in Diario's cartoon today?

[TURBOTHINK]

Police: Van der Sloot Took Coffee Break by Corpse

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/police-van-der-sloot-took-coffee-break-by-stephany-flores-corpse/19511108

Also, recent reports have suggested that police are looking into van der Sloot in connection with the disappearance of two women in Colombia, but on Wednesday officials there told Fox News they have ruled him out as a potential person of interest in those cases.

I would not count the missing women in Columbia out just yet. I have a missionary friend who said that is big news there and that they told he was only in the airport there but that was not true. He stayed 2 nights that they know of in Columbia. She said they say there are videos of him at the casino there.

[crazybabyborg]

Posted by READER at RU:

Reader  Post Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:15 pm         

Hello, Sarge.

Yes, insanity as cause of a crime exists in Peruvian law, but it seems to me that Mr. Van der Sloot's lawyer is not basing the defense in that posibility.

In my opinion, Mr. Van der Sloot's defense during the trial is not looking good. I find interesting that his lawyer, Mr. Máximo Altez, according to recent comments he's given to the media, is not declaring anything against the essence, so to speak, of what is publicly known about the investigation.

By saying that the suspect's confession should be thrown out by the court because the public defender present during the interrogation was a "buddy of the police", and by saying that it was Miss Flores who first hit the suspect, he is implicity saying:

1. That the suspect did confess, and that there was a public defender present during his confession, and

2. When he says that it was the victim who first hit the suspect, he is accepting that his client did commit the murder.

I'm not saying that Mr. Altez is an incompetent lawyer or anything like that. What I am doing is to read between the lines. And in my opinion Mr. Altez's words show that the prosecution has a solid case, and that the suspect's defense is going to be very difficult.

Of course I could be wrong. Once again, it's just an opinion.

<sarcasm alert>
And we all know that the lawyers and judges and prosecutors and authorities involved in Natalee's case on Aruba weren't "buddies", right?

Yep. The case against Joran is air tight and far enough away from Aruba and Holland to keep it clean. He's going DOWN!!!

[Bearlyhere]

For those that don't read back - the Kalpoes aren't having much better luck than Joran. 




I suspect the next ruling will be the judge throwing out case and awarding damages to the defendants.

Denied Denied Denied, we have heard a lot of that lately.  Thanks, Klaas, and our anonymous patron.  I would be sorry to see this case thrown out, I was looking forward to hearing what these brothers had to say.  It may have been lies and a waste of time, but I sure would have liked to watch them squirm under the hot lights of the American media.

[no rose colored glasses]

Wonder how many other criminals are getting steak and cigarettes, is it because he is special? WTH