Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Tylergal]

Oh, wonderful.  The air conditioning personnel have arrived.  Maybe I will have some cooler air soon.  Humidity is very high and it is very hot here.

[wreck]

OMG!  Did I just read in the last thread that Shango had a heart attack?  Well, at least part of Shango in the opinion of some of us.

Not sure about the Shango part, but this is what I posted, lol.  I added the date and page to the newspaper article also.

An employee of IMSAN, 31 year old Jairo Jesus Vrolijk, died of a heart attack at his home. 

Hinkey?

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/
6/12/2010 Awe Mainta Page 3



Papiamentu translation:

employee by barely 31 year is fayece after by attain atake by curazon (heart attack) at her cas at pos chiquito

diabierna afternoon owing to come into informe cu at one cas at pos chiquito have one person cu owing to become bad y do not give sign by life. at once owing to dirigi ambulance n’e sitio.

at arrival by ambulance owing to constata cu here is deal by one young employee by imsan cu apparently owing to attain one atake by curazon.

at once they owing to inicia cu c.p.r., but neither so they owing to succeed before scapa the young here. the young here owing to remain identifica because jairo jesus vrolijk. at family by the fayecido is bay we more sincero words by condolencia.

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http://www.aruba.com/ExploreAruba/islandfacts.aspx

(Instituto Medical San Nicolas (IMSAN)
Dr. Rudy Engelbrecht Building
Pastoor Hendrikstraat 10, San Nicolaas, Aruba
Tel: (297) 524-8833       

IMSAN is a medical center equipped with a reputable medical staff and modern equipment. Consulting hours for general practitioners are Monday to Friday 8am to 12pm / 3pm to 5pm. Emergency assistance is available 24 hours, seven days a week.

For on-site medical care, the Medical Mobile Team can be reached by calling 584-0500. This service, provided by registered doctors specifically for tourists in the hotel area, includes medical consult, treatment and prescriptions. If an ambulance is required, the medical mobile team can make arrangements and treat the patient until the ambulance arrives. This service is for such ailments as falls, sprains, abrasions, lacerations, burns, ear infections, tonsillitis, urinary tract infections, ear infections, and bites, eliminating waiting time in the hospital or a physician’s office. For life-threatening emergencies, call 911.

IMSAN also has a diabetic center which consists of a nurse, dietitian, podiatrist, needing no referral of a doctor. )

http://www.arubafilmfest.com/ImportantInfo.asp

Hmmm, maybe now, everyone who has knowledge of what happened to Natalee will start dropping like flies?

31 years old - heart attack???????? Sounds like he was "Paulused". I wonder if the kalpoes have had a "check-up" lately?

[cecilita]

As I was saying, Part 6 is not translated yet, can anyone understand what Mr. Flores is saying?

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/mXDtQIivZXo
what number is this one?

This one is number 6
http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/ZpsoTBbmQBc

he says the police called him when they found the body and asked him not to go to recognized Stephany(because staphany was brutally killed) The father called his friends ( he named a person, I believe somebody from LE or a congress person)to take her daughter out of there with dignity and he didn't want them to remove the body of his daughter with plastic bags so he requested to remove the body in a coffer. Stephany's right arm had bruises all over . then he said, I hope my wife will pardon me but my daughter had on her neck  (and he starts crying) and then he says "I am sorry, I wont say it.
Then they talked about Stephany being drugged before to go to the hotel. MR Flores said that he thinks that Stephany was drugged because the way she walked. Then he blamed himself because he didn't teach his daughter about the other world(it means about bad people and bad things).
In the interview he says that Stephany was in the casino Thursday, Friday and Saturday and one of her friends said that Stepany had 7000 soles or dollars. He says that he doesn't know if they found the money with the monster.
The Wii is missing, they just found her wallet without money and her cellphone (he didn't said where, but I believe they found those items in the hotel)
He asked to the public to return his daughter belongins like neckles, bracelet, earrings because that could help the case and they dint have to be afraid to go to the police.

One of his sons identified the body.  There is probably something lost in the translation.  His son speaks very good English and was on TV one night this past week, the night of Joran's confession (I believe) either on Greta or TruTV, and said that the police advised his father not to come, for him to go and identify his sister, because they did not want to put the parents through the identification and he is the one who said that I first heard say that one of her eyes was totally missing and the other knocked loose. 

It is that what he said that LE did not want him to go to the police and he called one of his friends to remove the body in a coffer.

[Tylergal]

OMG!  Did I just read in the last thread that Shango had a heart attack?  Well, at least part of Shango in the opinion of some of us.

Not sure about the Shango part, but this is what I posted, lol.  I added the date and page to the newspaper article also.

An employee of IMSAN, 31 year old Jairo Jesus Vrolijk, died of a heart attack at his home. 

Hinkey?

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/
6/12/2010 Awe Mainta Page 3



Papiamentu translation:

employee by barely 31 year is fayece after by attain atake by curazon (heart attack) at her cas at pos chiquito

diabierna afternoon owing to come into informe cu at one cas at pos chiquito have one person cu owing to become bad y do not give sign by life. at once owing to dirigi ambulance n’e sitio.

at arrival by ambulance owing to constata cu here is deal by one young employee by imsan cu apparently owing to attain one atake by curazon.

at once they owing to inicia cu c.p.r., but neither so they owing to succeed before scapa the young here. the young here owing to remain identifica because jairo jesus vrolijk. at family by the fayecido is bay we more sincero words by condolencia.

________________________________________________________________

http://www.aruba.com/ExploreAruba/islandfacts.aspx

(Instituto Medical San Nicolas (IMSAN)
Dr. Rudy Engelbrecht Building
Pastoor Hendrikstraat 10, San Nicolaas, Aruba
Tel: (297) 524-8833       

IMSAN is a medical center equipped with a reputable medical staff and modern equipment. Consulting hours for general practitioners are Monday to Friday 8am to 12pm / 3pm to 5pm. Emergency assistance is available 24 hours, seven days a week.

For on-site medical care, the Medical Mobile Team can be reached by calling 584-0500. This service, provided by registered doctors specifically for tourists in the hotel area, includes medical consult, treatment and prescriptions. If an ambulance is required, the medical mobile team can make arrangements and treat the patient until the ambulance arrives. This service is for such ailments as falls, sprains, abrasions, lacerations, burns, ear infections, tonsillitis, urinary tract infections, ear infections, and bites, eliminating waiting time in the hospital or a physician’s office. For life-threatening emergencies, call 911.

IMSAN also has a diabetic center which consists of a nurse, dietitian, podiatrist, needing no referral of a doctor. )

http://www.arubafilmfest.com/ImportantInfo.asp

Hmmm, maybe now, everyone who has knowledge of what happened to Natalee will start dropping like flies?

31 years old - heart attack???????? Sounds like he was "Paulused". I wonder if the kalpoes have had a "check-up" lately?

They all die young in Aruba, only the old hags like Anita and Julia get to live.

[Tamikosmom]

Hmmm, maybe now, everyone who has knowledge of what happened to Natalee will start dropping like flies?

31 years old - heart attack???????? Sounds like he was "Paulused". I wonder if the kalpoes have had a "check-up" lately?

lol

Maybe suicides on Aruba are passe'.

Janet

[MisGivings]

Joran van der Sloot: "I fear being killed in jail

Confessed murderer of Stephany Flores said he believed that attacked him in prison to avenge death of Stephany Flores. Requested serving time in Aruba.

The citizen Netherlands Joran van der Sloot expressed fear of being killed after be admitted in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.

"I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I have fear to kill me, "sobbed the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores to the police.

According to the newspaper Trome, Dutchman called on the authorities to enable it to purge conviction Aruba. In return, promised to reveal the exact spot where the body of a young American Natalee Holloway.

ASKS SECURITY
Joran van der Sloot, by such means, he asked the officers who provide security in believing that attacked him inside the detention center.

The European request was included in the BAP sent to the Directorate of Criminal Investigation Public Prosecutor.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/493794/joran-van-der-sloot-tengo-miedo-que-me-maten-carcel

He didn't have much fear of murdering Stephany.
Seeing what kind of hell those prisons are, If I were Joran, my biggest fear would be to be ALIVE in prison.

[MsVada]

Hmmm, maybe now, everyone who has knowledge of what happened to Natalee will start dropping like flies?

31 years old - heart attack???????? Sounds like he was "Paulused". I wonder if the kalpoes have had a "check-up" lately?

lol

Maybe suicides on Aruba are passe'.


Janet

Drugs maybe?

[flutter1]

Hi Monkeys! I caught up just as Muffy was doing a fine job changing threads!

About the coffee........... if Joran didn't go get coffee, how did he have breakfast over Stephany's body?

That and how did he get the bread?

Since he'd been there two weeks, I would think he might have had some food in the room.
JMO
Mr. Flores stated that a receipt was found for the two coffees, not sure when they were purchased.

Thought I read somewhere that he walked next door to the gas station and got coffee and pastry.

That is what I recall Jean Casarez reporting. 

[loca]

Jo-An,

Might be

SMELL-O-RAMA!

Anna, you are hilarious today lol

theres a smell athon going on in castro castro prison
the prize !!  more beans !! more flies!!

[cecilita]

Joran van der Sloot: "I fear being killed in jail

Confessed murderer of Stephany Flores said he believed that attacked him in prison to avenge death of Stephany Flores. Requested serving time in Aruba.

The citizen Netherlands Joran van der Sloot expressed fear of being killed after be admitted in the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.

"I do not want to be imprisoned in Peru. I have fear to kill me, "sobbed the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores to the police.

According to the newspaper Trome, Dutchman called on the authorities to enable it to purge conviction Aruba. In return, promised to reveal the exact spot where the body of a young American Natalee Holloway.

ASKS SECURITY
Joran van der Sloot, by such means, he asked the officers who provide security in believing that attacked him inside the detention center.

The European request was included in the BAP sent to the Directorate of Criminal Investigation Public Prosecutor.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/493794/joran-van-der-sloot-tengo-miedo-que-me-maten-carcel

He didn't have much fear of murdering Stephany.
Seeing what kind of hell those prisons are, If I were Joran, my biggest fear would be to be ALIVE in prison.

all the prisoner have the same fear.

[Ono]

Hmmm, maybe now, everyone who has knowledge of what happened to Natalee will start dropping like flies?

31 years old - heart attack???????? Sounds like he was "Paulused". I wonder if the kalpoes have had a "check-up" lately?

lol

Maybe suicides on Aruba are passe'.

Janet

LOL

[Tamikosmom]

NANCY GRACE
Joran Van Der Sloot Taken Into Custody in Chile
Aired June 3, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Enrique, did you go identify your sister`s body?

ENRIQUE FLORES, BROTHER OF STEPHANY FLORES RAMIREZ: My brother. My brother is the only one that saw her because we decided that one of us first is going to see her and think how -- to see how -- how was she. But he told us that she didn`t even have an eye. She was -- she was unrecognizable. All the body (INAUDIBLE) he said, his neck -- her neck. It was awful.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ng.01.html

[cecilita]

Hi Monkeys! I caught up just as Muffy was doing a fine job changing threads!

About the coffee........... if Joran didn't go get coffee, how did he have breakfast over Stephany's body?

That and how did he get the bread?

Since he'd been there two weeks, I would think he might have had some food in the room.
JMO
Mr. Flores stated that a receipt was found for the two coffees, not sure when they were purchased.

Thought I read somewhere that he walked next door to the gas station and got coffee and pastry.

That is what I recall Jean Casarez reporting. 

We can see that if they release the video after 5:30 and before 8:35.

[cecilita]

NANCY GRACE
Joran Van Der Sloot Taken Into Custody in Chile
Aired June 3, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Enrique, did you go identify your sister`s body?

ENRIQUE FLORES, BROTHER OF STEPHANY FLORES RAMIREZ: My brother. My brother is the only one that saw her because we decided that one of us first is going to see her and think how -- to see how -- how was she. But he told us that she didn`t even have an eye. She was -- she was unrecognizable. All the body (INAUDIBLE) he said, his neck -- her neck. It was awful.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ng.01.html

Tami in the intervie #6 . The father said that he did'nt recognized the body because the police told him not to go. But in the interview he is relating what the son told him or maybe what he saw. It seems that his friends showed him some pictures of his daughter's body and maybe for that reason he said "  I hope my wife will perdom me" and he pointed his neck and is when he start crying.

[Blonde]

Jo-An,

Might be

SMELL-O-RAMA!

Anna, you are hilarious today lol

theres a smell athon going on in castro castro prison
the prize !!  more beans !! more flies!!

YES Jorans  shit ass must be ripe by now .I hope he has to wear them forever ..

[Tamikosmom]

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Joran Van Der Sloot Formally Charged with Murder and Robbery
Aired June 11, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET

JEAN CASAREZ: This is very interesting, Jane, because Joran said during his interrogation that he was high or he had ingested marijuana. Well, guess what? Peruvian police confirmed with us in an interview that there were no drugs found in the system of Joran Van Der Sloot. No drugs found in the system of Stephany Flores which contradicts what he said himself in the interview.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ijvm.01.html
 

[Blonde]

I thought they found marijuana & coke in his system?

[cecilita]

He did't have drugs in his body before to go jail.

[San]

I thought they found marijuana & coke in his system?

That's what they said on the news the other night.

[Tamikosmom]

I thought they found marijuana & coke in his system?

Blonde ... I read that somewhere too.  Also ... there was the GHB wrapper found in Stephany jeep.

I have come to a place where I do not take seriously JVS and NG's "expert panels" ... only the guests who have direct involved.

Janet