Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[Helen Back]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

[Peaches]

What's this about us finding a piano??? Perhaps I misread something.  I don't recall ever finding a piano. Yikes.  Don't these people have anything better to do?

No, they have nothing better to do.  They are morons.

All hat.  No cattle.

[Anna]

Good Morning! 

Several weeks ago, at the time of the release of the suspects, Josy said that he was going to pull out all of the information and time lines he is aware of and revisit everything, and he was going to expose what he knows in the paper.  Has there been any more said about that?   

Where did Rob and Easy go? 

I was thinking about Jossy this morning too AZ...wish he would start talking again!!!

I do too!  I have a feeling he has a lot of info in his back pocket that he hasn't shared publically.  I was hoping it would all come out in print.  With the holidays however, he probably hasn't had the time.

{{edit}}

He did that one editorial on this then seems to have stopped so I wondered if the same thing happened to him as did to me.

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[Anna]

What's this about us finding a piano??? Perhaps I misread something.  I don't recall ever finding a piano. Yikes.  Don't these people have anything better to do?

No, they have nothing better to do.  They are morons.

All hat.  No cattle.

All trash.  No trailer.

 

[Anna]

The Dengue Fever Epidemic continues to spread with no reports from Aruba being submitted that I can find.  This is the latest one I received with it being widespread in Venezuela and St. Martin.  What are the odds it just skipped right over Aruba right in it's course? 

Quote:

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:54:33 -0500 (EST)
From: ProMED-mail <promed@promed.isid.harvard.edu>
Subject: PRO/EDR> Dengue/DHF update 2007 (50)

DENGUE/DHF UPDATE 2007 (50)
****************************
A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
<http://www.isid.org>

[1] St. Barthelemy, St. Martin/St. Maarten
[2] Venezuela (Zulia and national)
[3] Venezuela (Carabobo)
[4] Philippines (Cebu)
[5] Indonesia (Central Java)

******
[1] St. Barthelemy, St. Martin/St. Maarten
Date: Tue 18 Dec 2007
Source: Woodshed Environment [edited]
<http://woodshedenvironment.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/dengue-kicks-up-in-sm-and-st-barths-again/>

[Dayhiker]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

Better yet, why have the Dutch prosecutors and KLPD covered this up?

[Anna]

Hi guys! I heard something a while ago on Fox about a college group that is looking into the Sandra Levy murder and also the Natalee Holloway case? I was on hold on the phone and got interrupted, so don't have details. Did anyone see it? I'm working but will see what I can find on it.

Yes, it was posted yesterday 

http://ap.google.com:80/article/ALeqM5jJriCiFGEwdgNBSImpOIiAHsPqUAD8TTAO2O1

This is the group I was saying last night that I wish they could do an index of some sort.  If we had known in the beginning this was going to go on for years maybe we could have done one ourselves.  It's a shame there isn't one but I am not sure one could even be done in the first place, just a thought and wish.

Sometimes we find a post, especially in the older posts and then later that same poster or new facts come to light to cancel out the first post but not everybody sees those.

A good example of this is a post made by Selena at RWV long ago linking Paulus van der Sloot to some other properties in Aruba.  Later she posted that there was no link, they were all just the properties listed by that realtor but lots of people never saw the second post and until this day, once in a while, somebody will post the first one without the second one leaving the impression all the property listed by that realtor belongs to PVDS.

Arlee had several posts she later corrected as well but we still get quotes of just the uncorrected ones.

But maybe this group would be dealing only with confirmed items and not just postings by anonymous posters and such in the first place. 

In any event, I am really glad they are doing this and think they may be able to get information we can't.  I also wonder if Mos would hand over the entire dossier to a study group like this one.  Prolly not but then again, if the case is cold/closed/ne phased, and there are no named suspects any more, maybe he would.  Hope they at least ask him for it.

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[Helen Back]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

Better yet, why have the Dutch prosecutors and KLPD covered this up?

Yep.  IMO, somewhere in there is the story of why Paulus didn't qualify for membership in the JUDGE CLUB, but for some reason they all ran to his aid in the cover-up and destroyed the island's economy in the process. 

Must be pretty BIG.

[msmarple]

The Dengue Fever Epidemic continues to spread with no reports from Aruba being submitted that I can find.  This is the latest one I received with it being widespread in Venezuela and St. Martin.  What are the odds it just skipped right over Aruba right in it's course? 

Quote:

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:54:33 -0500 (EST)
From: ProMED-mail <promed@promed.isid.harvard.edu>
Subject: PRO/EDR> Dengue/DHF update 2007 (50)

DENGUE/DHF UPDATE 2007 (50)
****************************
A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
<http://www.isid.org>

[1] St. Barthelemy, St. Martin/St. Maarten
[2] Venezuela (Zulia and national)
[3] Venezuela (Carabobo)
[4] Philippines (Cebu)
[5] Indonesia (Central Java)

******
[1] St. Barthelemy, St. Martin/St. Maarten
Date: Tue 18 Dec 2007
Source: Woodshed Environment [edited]
<http://woodshedenvironment.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/dengue-kicks-up-in-sm-and-st-barths-again/>

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   01/02/2008

I saw this earlier but didn't post because it's Bonaire, not Aruba.

Situation of dengue in Bonaire alarming 

KRALENDIJK – The number of mosquitoes on the island was no longer controllable in these past years.  This year is no exception.  Each inhabitant of the island is responsible for certain preventive actions, but on top of that, it seems that the government department that must work on the prevention and the control of dengue is not in function.  The materials needed for this have been defect for years; they are not adequately repaired and they do not receive the necessary maintenance.     

The entire island is required to undergo an inspection, especially the more populated areas of Bonaire.  Paho approved an action plan and the district Amboina was used as model in 1996.  This same action plan was put into practice in Aruba, under supervision of a Paho-doctor and the coordination of Mario Emerenciana and Aubrey Sealy. 

This action plan was not put into effect in Bonaire for more than 11 years.  Also the inspection didn’t take place due to lack of the necessary materials and products.  This situation, combined with the heavy rainfall of the last months, resulted in a whole lot of mosquitoes on the island, inclusive the Aedes Egypti that passes the dengue virus. 

From January until the first week of December, the lab reported 65 positive cases of dengue.  Antriol, which is the biggest district of Bonaire, has the most cases of the dengue virus. In order to get the real figure for the cases of dengue, the number of 65 must be multiplied by 5 for a total of 325 cases of the dengue virus of the first grade.  We need to take into account that a great number of persons with the symptoms are not registered.   Even two cases of dengue haemorrhage were registered.  These persons were sent to Curacao to further medical treatment. 

One solution for the problems with the government service that must prevent and control the mosquitoes is to privatize this service.  This was also a recommendation in the Berenschot report six years ago.

 

[Puzzler]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

Better yet, why have the Dutch prosecutors and KLPD covered this up?

Yep.  IMO, somewhere in there is the story of why Paulus didn't qualify for membership in the JUDGE CLUB, but for some reason they all ran to his aid in the cover-up and destroyed the island's economy in the process. 

Must be pretty BIG.

Totally agree:  Must be pretty BIG.

[Kiwi]

MumInOhio - come over to theories in this section in a few minutes. I need your research ability to see if something from yesterdays chat works. Sorry to interrupt, unless it pans out.

[Dayhiker]

Yep.  IMO, somewhere in there is the story of why Paulus didn't qualify for membership in the JUDGE CLUB, but for some reason they all ran to his aid in the cover-up and destroyed the island's economy in the process. 

Must be pretty BIG.

Totally agree:  Must be pretty BIG.

Mos and company (see KLPD) claim they spent 5-10 million dollars on the case. For what? They barely scratched the surface investigating the case. No Paulus investigation, no cover-up investigation, no nothing.

IMO they sat on their asses and tried to figure out how NOT to prosecute the case more than doing so. That little bit of pipsqueak new evidence Mos rode in with represents 9 months and 5-10 million dollars worth of effort? What a pile of horse shit.

[Helen Back]

Yep.  IMO, somewhere in there is the story of why Paulus didn't qualify for membership in the JUDGE CLUB, but for some reason they all ran to his aid in the cover-up and destroyed the island's economy in the process. 

Must be pretty BIG.

Totally agree:  Must be pretty BIG.

Mos and company (see KLPD) claim they spent 5-10 million dollars on the case. For what? They barely scratched the surface investigating the case. No Paulus investigation, no cover-up investigation, no nothing.

IMO they sat on their asses and tried to figure out how NOT to prosecute the case more than doing so. That little bit of pipsqueak new evidence Mos rode in with represents 9 months and 5-10 million dollars worth of effort? What a pile of horse shit.

For 5 to 10 million, you would think they could have searched the ocean.

They should send the bill to the SLOOTS!  They should also quit whining about it, since the corrupt prosecution, justice department, and judges are the reason the "tab" is so high. 

Clean up your house, ARUBA!

[Magnolia]

Hi guys! I heard something a while ago on Fox about a college group that is looking into the Sandra Levy murder and also the Natalee Holloway case? I was on hold on the phone and got interrupted, so don't have details. Did anyone see it? I'm working but will see what I can find on it.

Yes, it was posted yesterday 

http://ap.google.com:80/article/ALeqM5jJriCiFGEwdgNBSImpOIiAHsPqUAD8TTAO2O1

This is the group I was saying last night that I wish they could do an index of some sort.  If we had known in the beginning this was going to go on for years maybe we could have done one ourselves.  It's a shame there isn't one but I am not sure one could even be done in the first place, just a thought and wish.

Sometimes we find a post, especially in the older posts and then later that same poster or new facts come to light to cancel out the first post but not everybody sees those.

A good example of this is a post made by Selena at RWV long ago linking Paulus van der Sloot to some other properties in Aruba.  Later she posted that there was no link, they were all just the properties listed by that realtor but lots of people never saw the second post and until this day, once in a while, somebody will post the first one without the second one leaving the impression all the property listed by that realtor belongs to PVDS.

Arlee had several posts she later corrected as well but we still get quotes of just the uncorrected ones.

But maybe this group would be dealing only with confirmed items and not just postings by anonymous posters and such in the first place. 

In any event, I am really glad they are doing this and think they may be able to get information we can't.  I also wonder if Mos would hand over the entire dossier to a study group like this one.  Prolly not but then again, if the case is cold/closed/ne phased, and there are no named suspects any more, maybe he would.  Hope they at least ask him for it.


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Way back in the beginning of the case on another board not RWV a poster showed actual Real Estate transactions that has Paulus Van der Sloot as the owner of record of
either 5 or 7 (I can't remember which number) condos or units in the Raquet Club
compound.  So I know there was real estate in his name.

[bleachedblack]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3339/5/

Can anyone tell where this fire was?? It looks huge!

Looks like an illegal dump site?

http://tinyurl.com/yuyqpa

[Helen Back]

In case we lull ourselves into thinking that any amount of evidence about Natalee's kidnappers will bring a prosecution or justice from a corrupt judicial system, this information about Rick Smid is important to know (from Natalee's Freebirds)

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/12/rick-smid-arubas-dirtiest-judge.html


RICK SMID'S HISTORY OF LENIENCE ON CRIMINALS RAISES QUESTIONS OF HIS INTEGRITY AND ABILITY TO SERVE AS A JUDGE. IF RICK SMID WILL DO THIS FOR NON-DUTCH CRIMINALS, IMAGINE WHAT HE WILL DO FOR HIS DUTCH FRIENDS AND CO-WORKERS

Rick Smid refuses to have human traffickers and drug dealers arrested:

PHILIPSBURG - Two men considered to be the local organisers of what the Prosecutor’s Office believes to be a Chinese-led human smuggling operation are facing six- and eight-year prison sentences. They were also accused Thursday of involvement in the drug trade, mainly cocaine.The Prosecutor further requested the immediate arrest of both suspects, who had been released from pre-trial detention in April, but this was turned down by Judge Rick Smid. http://news.caribseek.com/Sint_Maarten/The_Daily_Herald/article_50851.shtml

Rick Smid gives human trafficker 38 days in jail:

PHILIPSBURG--While investigations are ongoing into the alleged involvement of a police commissioner in human trafficking, a 28-year-old man was found guilty by the Court of First Instance on Wednesday of having tried to bribe Chief Immigration Officer Ademar Doran.Judge Rick Smid sentenced Stephen Bruney to 180 days, 142 of which to be suspended, with three years’ probation and 200 hours of community service. http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/k024/bribe024.html

Thanks to Natalee's Freebirds!

Selling and smuggling human beings gets you six to eight years from Judge Rick Smid.  Either he doesn't place much value on human life, or we don't understand the Dutch/Aruban Justice system's sentencing guidlelines.

Maybe Arleen will come on here and explain it to us.

 

[klaasend]

WORKING AND LURKING TODAY 

[Anna]

Way back in the beginning of the case on another board not RWV a poster showed actual Real Estate transactions that has Paulus Van der Sloot as the owner of record of
either 5 or 7 (I can't remember which number) condos or units in the Raquet Club
compound.  So I know there was real estate in his name.

Makes you wonder why they live in such a dump themselves.  I don't know about any other real estate and was just using that as an example of a post that was later changed.  He may well have had other holdings, just not the ones Selena origianlly listed which we then all tried to tract down, etc. as we did everything in the beginning, lol.  Didn't take much to get us going.

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[Anna]

MsMarple,

Thanks for that article on Dengue Fever in Bonair.  I don't see them listed either in the International reporting list.  Yet St. Maarten does report.  Odd.  Well, if it is one several places that close by in that amount, it is all over the region.  There wouldn't be a place clear of it when it is all around without a very aggressive program in place to prevent it.  Don't see that happening in Aruba. 

MO

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[Kermit]

Tell it Janet!  This is the heart of the story............Paulus van der Sloot, better known as "SWEATY RUNNING MAN" is the Central Character. 

the implication is that both Paulus and Joran lied regarding what time Paulus left the casino.  Lies are created to cover the truth.  Why did Joran and Paulus deem it necessary in their declaration to cover the truth regarding when "Paulus met Natalee".

Janet

Better yet, why have the Dutch prosecutors and KLPD covered this up?

"I've learned about money laundering in Aruba to support the North Korean nuclear-arms program and about the drugs there."(pg. 196 Beth Holloway)


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