Natalee Case Discussion #767 8/5 through 9/9

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/12/aruba-large-fraud-in-vcb-security-van-cromvoirt-remember-that-name-from-the-natalee-holloway-investigation/

Aruba: Large fraud in VCB Security (Van Cromvoirt) … Remember that name from the Natalee Holloway Investigation

does anyone know if the van cromvoits are related to paulus and anita.  They share the same sur-name of Petrus Paulus??????????

I don't know Sandy but nothing would surprise me.

[bleachedblack]

Wonder what is up in this unusual sequence of shots from Kildares 8/9/08? Very visible visibility team would hardly be in-order for just one woman having had to much to drink?

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[bleachedblack]

Senior Frogs 8/9/08

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[Buckeye]

Google translator:

   
http://www.medianed.com/2008/08/11/interview-met-moeder-van-joran-vd-sloot-in-red/

Interview with mother of Joran vd Sloot in Red
August 11, 2008 17:09
In the September of Red, which is the sign of "a new start," Anita van der Sloot talk openly about how the Holloway case has affected her life.

For example, she says: "It can no longer function as an ordinary family, the lies that are told about us. That has caused the most grief, together with the behaviour of Joran. I was angry at him because he has lied. "

"I have no time thought that Joran a rapist or a murderer would be. But I do have just thought: would there be an accident happened, that they do not dare to tell? I know that he lied because he was afraid that his afstudeerfeestje otherwise would not take place. That he did not want that his girlfriend knew that night that he had been on the road. "

"There is a kind of sample from him. It has nothing more to do with reality. And that's only become worse, because this whole thing attracts strange people. "

"Sure, you as parents help, but at a given moment you say: Joran is almost 21, he should go. We must continue. It takes a kind of distance "

Which girlfriend was he afraid would find out?  Was that Elaine, or Flo (the one he texted that night).   

[Pita]

Posted at BFN by GBMW

Interview with Anita van der Sloot; published in the magazine Red / September 2008

On May, 30 2005 the 18 year old Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba. Joran van der Sloot is still considered a suspect. His mother Anita has recently tried to close this disruptive period in her life with an exposition.


Anita, how did the affair of Holloway change your life?

‘From a professor who is intensely involved with students and from a mother who is intensely involved with her children, you’re suddenly the mother of a boy who is a suspect in a case concerning the disappearance of a girl. Who is a suspect of kidnapping, of rape, murder. This has a huge impact. It has hurt me in the depth of my soul. I’ve been especially angry with the approach of the media and how the reports were all one sided. Not being able to function as a regular family, the lies that have been spread about us. That has caused the most hurt, combined with Jorans’ behaviour. I was angry with him for lying. You see very often people drift apart when something awful happens in their lives, but Paul & I only became closer. We were already strong as a family, did a lot of things together, but we only came out stronger. We talk a lot with the children, express emotions much quicker.’

How is your relationship with Joran? Has it changed since May 2005?

Anita hesitates for a moment, and says then: 'Not really. I’m his mother and he is my son. Now and then I feel so much love for him, and now and then I want to kick his behind. Like: hey kid, why do you say that, and why do you do that? People see Joran like he was portrayed in the media. Of course, everyone gets a kick out of the negative things that are extricated. But I see how he kisses his grandmother and holds her hand for half an hour and runs his fingers through her hair. I see the Joran who makes me a cup of coffee, who comes to check in with me regularly when I’m sick: how are you, mum? Those are two different Jorans.
To me Joran is more important as a son, grandson and brother than as the Joran that is portrayed in the media. Joran was also just a regular 17 year old who went to school, got good grades, had nice girlfriends who came over, whose parents I knew, had nice friends, went out like any other 17 year old. Occasionally he did things that made you go: is that really necessary? But no more than other kids his age.
What the media has done with that is just bizarre. They’ve created some kind of monster. It’s got nothing to do with reality. And that has only gotten worse, because this case attracts really weird people. When this case is solved they will leave him alone probably, but he will always remain that kid ‘who was involved with’, the kid who lied, that will continue to haunt him for the rest of his live. And I’m also ‘the mother of’. I’m not the one who’s teaching, not the artist, no, I’m ‘the mother of’.’

Has there been a moment where you doubted Joran?

‘I’ve never thought Joran was a rapist or a murderer. But I have thought for a moment that  possibly an accident might have happened, that he might have been afraid to tell? I know he lied because he was afraid he  wouldn’t have a graduation party. That he didn’t want his girlfriend to know he went out that night. But if he really had something on his bad record; he would have told me, that kind of trust was there.’

How was it to literally deal with world press?

‘I thought it was bizarre. People are making tent camps around your walls  all of a sudden. American media are very bold. We’ve tried to continue our lives as best as possible. I thought it was unpleasant for the children and for their friends when they came over to play. At a certain point we sent our children on a holiday, to friends, to release them from the forceful media.
We really wanted to show ourselves. We’ve always kept the door open for people that had good intentions, we had & have nothing to hide, and then all those stories that start their own life….you can’t stop that.
In the beginning, when that mother (of Natalee Holloway, ed) came here with a large group of friends, we were addressed with quite some aggression. Her behaviour, the conduct of that group… We wanted to talk to those parents, eventually we did. We’ve invited them later on, but we never got a reply. A year ago we wanted to talk to the mother when she was here. She just didn’t want to.’

How did you manage?

‘We just went on with our lives. It happened during summer break, which was nice in a way because I had more time to myself because of that. When the schools started again in August, I just went back to work and the kids went back to school. Paul took up his work again quickly as well. Working as a teacher is important, I can put a lot of energy in that. And we do our regular things. I do my groceries, I work in the garden, clean my house. Because I teach fulltime, I don’t have a lot of time to sculpture, but this whole mess gave me a lot of sleepless nights. And it still does. Every person would be afraid and tense in these kind of situations. You lose the grip on your life. You’re life is out there, put under a magnifying glass. Nobody can understand what’s it’s like to live in such a situation. Being creative gave me a way to express the negative emotions I felt. I started with a book, some kind of sketching book, in which I work daily. It helped to draw, to write, to paint. I love the combination of those disciplines, making collages, painting, writing… And this exhibition is also a reflection of that process. Here you see about 50 to 60 % of what I’ve made in the last two years. I think every person reaches out to something that gives them some kind of peace. To me that peace came from painting and working with collages. The anger ebbed away, the hurt diminished a bit, so it did help. But if this hadn’t happened this would have been a completely different exhibition. In the exhibition I’m working on right now I want to focus on the authentic Aruban culture. I notice that Aruba is ‘Americanising’. I find that’s such a shame. I’m going to do something with that. I’ve had that plan before, this came kind of in between.’

What I notice in all of your paintings are religious symbols, praying hands, crosses…

‘They are the universal symbols of faith, hope and having trust. I felt that very clearly the last 3 years. That you’re looking for symbols and what they stand for. I did that through painting and combined those symbols. It wasn’t only the painting that gave me some peace. We have let go. Joran has to live his own life. He has to find his own path in what has happened. Of course you offer help as parents, but at a certain point you say: he’s almost 21, he has to go on. We need to go on. You kind of distance yourself. You take a step back. Sometimes it’s like I’m watching a movie. Ok, this has happened to us, but I don’t want a big part in it anymore. Because of that I find this interview very difficult as well. But I do want to do it, to close things, just like with this exhibition.
With that I also feel I’ve closed a heavy 3 years. I don’t know what might lie ahead for us in the future, but I do know I’ll be able to deal with it better. Without wanting to be arrogant, I do have the idea that I’m rising above certain situations and television programmes.’

Looking back, what would you have done differently?

‘I think we would have approached someone who could have helped us concerning the media. At a certain point we made the decision to do some interviews. Only a few, a deliberate choice. Looking back, I wouldn’t have worked with the American media. Talking in another language gives you limitations, you notice that the essence of words can change.’

Do you ever think about the fact  that Joran might be arrested again for involvement in this case?

‘Yes, I do think about that. Of course Joran was arrested again this last winter, in the end it turned out to be for no reason at all. I haven’t seen the show itself, but I did see everything, every tape, and then it does come across quite differently. Not less bad, but it did become clear what De Vries & Van der Eem have done to provoke Joran into making statements. If you see every tape with hours of conversations and boasting of especially Van der Eem, it becomes quite clear what they tried to do. It’s not about the truth, it’s about ratings and a lot of money. Every recording is taking out of its context, there has been cutted & pasted. What do you mean: ‘shock damage’? (Anita is referring to the fact that the mother of Natalee Holloway wanted to sue Joran for ‘shock damage’, but no subpoena in this process has been received yet. RG). It has shocked me severely that these kind of things happen in the Netherlands and to a certain point is approved by justice. But what can I do? There are forces & powers going on that are stronger than we could ever be, we’ll have to learn to live with that. It’s about an American girl that disappeared on Aruba, an island that is mainly depended on American tourism, with a Dutch suspect. It’s about economical & political interests. The stepfather of the girl has threatened from the beginning that his fingers reach to the White House. The mother has said she will destroy our family life. This case must be solved of course, we all want that. I still hope that the group of people that is still working on the case will look further, to keep options open that other people might be involved in this, that they will look in America. Around 100 students are walking around there of which 15 of them knew that girl and were more involved, plus the so called ‘chaperones’ who escorted the kids during their trip, I know & hear very little about them. I keep finding that a bizarre story. I would really like that to be explored in depth.’

How do you see your relationship with Joran in the future?

‘Joran has to finish his school. If he doesn’t do that, he’ll have to deal with me and his father. He was suppose to go to college in America in 2005. He had a scholarship for an American university and was suppose to play soccer & tennis for that university, he was really looking forward to that. (silence) And of course, that has all been swept away because of all this. That still hurts, I recently talked to him about it. But he still has a chance to finish a study. And he’s smart enough to study as well. He's clever, it’s up to him to use that intelligence. Other than that, there isn’t much more you can do as a parent than giving good advice & counsel. That’s it, you can’t hold his hand any longer. You can’t lock him up. (voice is getting lower and lower) I wouldn’t want that either. He’s been locked long enough. He knows this is one of his last chances. And I do blame the people that keep lingering about the case. It’s almost impossible for him to move on, to build a future. I think they need to let go of such a kid at a certain time. I hope he’ll find his peace in about 5 or 10 years. That he can live a reasonable normal life. I never would have thought that my life would be like this 3 years ago, but there is more peace now and I hope we will be able to persevere that. And furthermore the people that are involved in this case should do their own thing. I don’t have any influence on that. None.’

[klaasend]

Thanks Pita - what bothers me the most is she is probably getting paid for that interview. 

[Pita]

Thanks Pita - what bothers me the most is she is probably getting paid for that interview. 

Yes, Klaas, I would agree.  And it appears after three years she's still in denial.

[bleachedblack]

Can we say denial any louder.........even after all of this time?

>>>>SNIP

"Joran was also just a regular 17 year old who went to school, got good grades, had nice girlfriends who came over, whose parents I knew, had nice friends, went out like any other 17 year old. Occasionally he did things that made you go: is that really necessary? But no more than other kids his age."

[dennisintn]

Can we say denial any louder.........even after all of this time?

>>>>SNIP

"Joran was also just a regular 17 year old who went to school, got good grades, had nice girlfriends who came over, whose parents I knew, had nice friends, went out like any other 17 year old. Occasionally he did things that made you go: is that really necessary? But no more than other kids his age."

what could you expect from someone who's bragged about jvds having girls sleeping in the bed with him  since he was l5? or so, and "nothing ever happened"? 
dennisintn

[bleachedblack]

I would have hoped by now she might have gotten a better grasp on the reality that was and still is.........

[Nut44x4]

" THAT MOTHER" !!?? --in her reference to Beth....

OMG I hate them all. They make me want to vomit.

[sandy leiva]

" THAT MOTHER" !!?? --in her reference to Beth....

OMG I hate them all. They make me want to vomit.

Yes i noted that also, that dumb stupid woman anita still denying what her son did, still blaming the media and everyone else for what joran did.  But the ultimate gall of her to say "that woman "was going to sue her son-the utter gall to call the kettle black when her husband was the one procuring money for being held in prison.  The utter gall of anita to think she and her family have been the only ones to suffer- her poor  poor sin being followed to the ends of the earth dang gone it everyone should just let him live a normal life....WTF  what about Natalee, what about beth and her family, what about Matt who has no sister, what about Dave who has no daughter...  Poor joran murdering rapist sloot  (tons of sarcasm)What he did with others -was his doing -he made that choice, he ruined his life and the life of his family and Natalees.  the utter gall of that sloot woman to expect sympathy from the media

[San]

Posted at BFN by GBMW

Interview with Anita van der Sloot; published in the magazine Red / September 2008

{EDITED}

Do you ever think about the fact  that Joran might be arrested again for involvement in this case?

‘Yes, I do think about that. Of course Joran was arrested again this last winter, in the end it turned out to be for no reason at all. I haven’t seen the show itself, but I did see everything, every tape, and then it does come across quite differently. Not less bad, but it did become clear what De Vries & Van der Eem have done to provoke Joran into making statements. If you see every tape with hours of conversations and boasting of especially Van der Eem, it becomes quite clear what they tried to do. It’s not about the truth, it’s about ratings and a lot of money. Every recording is taking out of its context, there has been cutted & pasted. What do you mean: ‘shock damage’? (Anita is referring to the fact that the mother of Natalee Holloway wanted to sue Joran for ‘shock damage’, but no subpoena in this process has been received yet. RG). It has shocked me severely that these kind of things happen in the Netherlands and to a certain point is approved by justice. But what can I do? There are forces & powers going on that are stronger than we could ever be, we’ll have to learn to live with that. It’s about an American girl that disappeared on Aruba, an island that is mainly depended on American tourism, with a Dutch suspect. It’s about economical & political interests. The stepfather of the girl has threatened from the beginning that his fingers reach to the White House. The mother has said she will destroy our family life. This case must be solved of course, we all want that. I still hope that the group of people that is still working on the case will look further, to keep options open that other people might be involved in this, that they will look in America. Around 100 students are walking around there of which 15 of them knew that girl and were more involved, plus the so called ‘chaperones’ who escorted the kids during their trip, I know & hear very little about them. I keep finding that a bizarre story. I would really like that to be explored in depth.’

{EDITED}

So Anita saw every tape.

[Dayhiker]

Thanks Pita - what bothers me the most is she is probably getting paid for that interview. 

Yes, Klaas, I would agree.  And it appears after three years she's still in denial.

That's what I get out of it Pita. DENIAL. At least the dumb bitch has come around to the fact that there may have been an accident. Maybe that was a slip, she probably knows more than she is admitting.

She hopes it will go away. Good luck on that one, Bitch. She blames the media and people who linger on the case. It was your son who threw wine in PDV's face, confessed on the tapes, and git himself photo'd naked shooting the world the bird, Bitch. Get used to it, it's not over and it's not going to be over for a long time, Bitch.

[klaasend]

Looks like a tourist injured badly in a quad accident:
http://www.awe24.com/

DAMA TURISTA A BOLTER CU QUADRACER PABAO DI BOCA WARIRURI Y A KEDA HERIDA

PERSONAL DI AMBULANCE A SUBI DEN PATRUYA DI POLIS PA BAY TE NA E SITIO DI E ACCIDENTE PASOBRA E VEHICULO DI AMBULANCE NO POR A CORE RIBA E CAMINDA MALO

[Dayhiker]

" THAT MOTHER" !!?? --in her reference to Beth....

OMG I hate them all. They make me want to vomit.

Yes i noted that also, that dumb stupid woman anita still denying what her son did, still blaming the media and everyone else for what joran did.  But the ultimate gall of her to say "that woman "was going to sue her son-the utter gall to call the kettle black when her husband was the one procuring money for being held in prison.  The utter gall of anita to think she and her family have been the only ones to suffer- her poor  poor sin being followed to the ends of the earth dang gone it everyone should just let him live a normal life....WTF  what about Natalee, what about beth and her family, what about Matt who has no sister, what about Dave who has no daughter...  Poor joran murdering rapist sloot  (tons of sarcasm)What he did with others -was his doing -he made that choice, he ruined his life and the life of his family and Natalees.  the utter gall of that sloot woman to expect sympathy from the media

For her to admit her son is a drugging predator murdering rapist would mean admitting she was a terrible parent and she ain't gonna do that. Joran's actions speak for themselves and are a solid indictment on her and Paulus' miserable failure at  parenting skills. Anita van der Sloot is a loser, her husband is a loser, and her son is as worthless and sorry a piece of scum that has ever inhabited this earth.

[Dayhiker]

Looks like a tourist injured badly in a quad accident:
http://www.awe24.com/

DAMA TURISTA A BOLTER CU QUADRACER PABAO DI BOCA WARIRURI Y A KEDA HERIDA

Vacationing in Aruba reminds me of the Jerry Garcia line in The Wheel, "if the thunder don't get ya the lightening will." If you don't get drugged and murdered you'll get killed on a vehicle. Never seen so many mishaps in a 17 mile strip of land in my life.

[truthseeker2]

Yes, she says she saw every tape.  So watching her dope-smoking piece of sh!t son describe the death of a young girl he was with makes her sad that her life is not turning out the way she expected.  Good grief this woman is a piece of work.  Now I see why Wee Winky is such a narcisist.

[Dayhiker]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/12/aruba-large-fraud-in-vcb-security-van-cromvoirt-remember-that-name-from-the-natalee-holloway-investigation/

Aruba: Large fraud in VCB Security (Van Cromvoirt) … Remember that name from the Natalee Holloway Investigation

I have full faith that Judge Rick Smid will make sure nothing happens to his fellow Dutchie Van Cromvoirt.

[wreck]

Yes, she says she saw every tape.  So watching her dope-smoking piece of sh!t son describe the death of a young girl he was with makes her sad that her life is not turning out the way she expected.  Good grief this woman is a piece of work.  Now I see why Wee Winky is such a narcisist.

It was those damned chaperones on the trip who are to blame! [/sarcasm]