Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

AMEN.           STAY FOCUSED.........THE PERSISTENCE IS WHERE IT'S AT...............

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Somehow, I knew Janet would be first.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

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Hi MuffyBee

Janet

However ... it is not has much fun without Robots attempting to beat me to it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thrive on competition.

Janet

Thank you for bringing over TM's post of Natalee's picture. 

Here!  Trying to catch up since my ride home.

Thanks for  the pictures of Natalee.  I love those pictures of her.  We need to be reminded often lately of her.

Yes, thank you Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

Edited my typo.

Has caesu been around lately?  I always like to see some of the news he/she posts.

 ::MonkeyWink::

He was here a few nights ago with news.  I enjoy his posts too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Looks like caesu last posted in Natalee threads 1/19, and other threads 1/22. 

You are welcome.

texasmom ... brings us all back to what it is all about.

Thank you texasmom.

Janet

CAn't you see his posts in Chat n Grumble?

Thanks!

I am hoping for more posts on Peter R de Vries winning the Personality of the Year award, complete with lots of PHOTOS for my screensaver!


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

My screensaver is very important!


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 ::MonkeyWaa::

What?  Is there a point to that?

Point being, if you miss his posts, you can surely read them there, can't you? Just sayin....

 

I don't know.  Ask Seamonkey.

Just wanted to say that I think Monkeys have been
very kind and considerate today, considering all of the
accuations and misinformation thrown at them today.

?   Why Seamonkey? Does she want to see his posts?

I believe Kermit will return after a relaxing trip to Janet's pond,as well as a second helping of that ShoeFly pie! ::MonkeyCool::

You need to find someone else to play with.  I'm not interested, AC.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Let's not take our focus off topic. 

Doesn't that pond sound delightful? (better than 15 inches of snow, grrrrr)

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.  (nice face)

Rubarb/strawberry pie will have to suffice.  By mistake ... I fed our guests from Quebec (eldest son's inlaws) Kermit's shoefly pie last night.  They smothered it with whipping cream and wolfed it down.  While whiping their mouths with a napkin after cleaning their plates ... I was informed that it tasted better than their Christmas mincemeat pie.   The ingredience  even gave them a "buzz".

I smiled sweetly and ... said thank you.

Janet

 

  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, TXMom,

That one is definitely worth adding to my collection!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Kermit may need two helping of pie.  I would!
I fear that I would have flown off the handle many times
with all of the insults that Frog has endured.

I personally don't understand why it's OK to make up stuff and pass it on just to see who spreads it (so they say), but proving who said what to whom by posting an email is such a big deal.  I work in IT and much of work is done via email.  Emails are used all the time to settle disagreements as to who agreed to what and the rule is, if you don't want everyone to know don't put it in an email, becuase you never know who's going to get it.

I don't know who CAPS is and don't much care.  IMHO he lead us on and let us down.  Period.  Kyle is either a liar or stupid.  Those defending him, need to grow up.  He can either defend himself or not.  Comments from others defending him do nothing, but further my negative opinions.  Same goes for those who try to bash Kermit for being wrong, but nitpick at her posts rather than the real meat of the issue.  Kyle is either a liar or stupid.

I apologize 2NJSons_Mom.  I responded to Keepthefaith prior to reading your post.

Keepthefairth is such a back influence.  Ban her!

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Art ... I will just tippy toe away.

Janet

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I'm doing a dance to the Snow Gods of the Fraser Valley for that one! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Very impressive, especially given there have been 11 to 14 monkeys and 19 to 21 "guests" here to watch.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Really though, I hope to see this thread get back to discussing the Natalee Holloway case.  That's why we are all here, right?  Right?

OK.Is it all clear again?Where was the discussion at before it got derailed again?Tim Miller was approached by Louis and John!CapsLockWizard is friends with Clyde Burke,as well as has an uncle in the OM.If those two are true i think he's a safe as can be.

Keepthefaith is a girlmonkey? ::MonkeyShocked::
I have thought all this time Keepthefaith was a boymonkey. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope not.  I am VERY friendly with her.

Janet

Should i do a countdown to reveal the sex of Keepthefaith! ::MonkeyLaugh::

It was meant for everyone and not directed to you and your 'pie'.  ::MonkeyWink::

I do not have the power to ban, nor do I wish to have it.  I would just like the discussion to stay close to Natalee and the case, without too much outside the cage reference & tension...if that makes sense. 

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I even have a picture in my mind of what you look like in real life.
But since we aren't supposed to post real life info.  I won't tell.

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BUMP

WOW.

I think the coast is clear now...I went back to try to wade through the end of the last thread to see what was being discussed.  I kept getting lost. I can see where we were talking about Caps.

I believe it had to be Jossy that sent Silvetti and Scheafer to Tim Miller.
Jossy had talked about an ocean search for some time and then
suddenly S&S show up.  Then Jossy's son is on board the Persistence
the whole time.

I understand 2NJSons_Mom.  It was just my attempt at relieving some tension.  I found today very stressful on the forum.  I had to post what was in my heart but ... when I consider the division ... the wide gulf ... that has development between Monkeys on the CAP/ Kyle/ Persistence issues ... it is so troubling.

Janet

 

Well hopefully Kermit has more information in regards to the Jossy/Silvetti relationship!I know you still have Jossy in high regards Janet but the verdict is still out for me.I pray that all intentions from Jossy are good but just don't know!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Didn't Jossy conduct a search right before the Persistence arrived, one at his own expense and some how affiliated with the man from Texas who claimed to have some sort of gadget that could detect human remains?

Interesting.Who is that man and how did Jossy come to know him?

Keepthefaith ... I am having second thoughts when I consider the CAPS/ John Silvetti/ Jossy Mansur connection in regards to the pond witness.  Then when I consider Eduardo Mansur's involvement.  Jossy claims his son spent ever day on the Persistence except the day when the contents of the cage/trap were recovered by the Aruban divers.

I hope I am wrong.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I don't think so.  He kept talking of it.  Then something went wrong
with the man or his machine.  That is when Silvetti and Scheafer entered
the picture and got in touch with Tim Miller.  I think Jossy set it up.

I already asked Kermit it Jossy was innocently or on purpose injected himself into this nightmare.  She said the jury was still out on that and that is all she would say.  So don't think you will get anymore info from her on that subject.

I've said it before.There has got to be one soul on theat island.Maybe not?Eduardo getting the bulldozer for the dump,Sarah Mansur(Van Der Startten's secretary),Eric Mansur helped on searches,Serge Mansur(Is he with Ahata or ata?)..I just have a problem with a family of that stature,with that many ties to the case,Not knowing what happened!It baffles me to no end!

I don't recall his name.  He had the gadget in Aruba at one time and was trying to interest Dave Holloway in it.  I think it was supposed to work on some vague not particularly scientific principle of locating concentrations of calcuim as in bones and human teeth.

This is all from memory only and I could be wrong about his being involved with Jossy's search but that is how I recall it happened.
Was separate from Persistence.

Now I would like to know the area it searched just for the sake of knowing.  Was it the trap area or where.

Maybe there will be more to come on that issue.I pray!

Tamikosmom


"SS ... I do have a clue who CAPS is.  However ... my research has revealed that he is at the very least a troll ... a troll that has been placed on the forum to distract from the truth.  I have shared that research with you to not avail.

The following posts uphold Dave Holloway ... upholding Julia Renfro in her contentin that Beth Holloway lied as well as undermining Jug Twitty and Beth Holloway.

SS ... this reeks of Mark Purcell through and through.  If CAPS and Mark Purcell are not one of the same ... then somebody else with connections to the AHATA is behind the scenes pulling the strings.

Think about it.  The AHATA has been behind the misinformation compaign to distract from the truth encompassing the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo.  The tourism minister announced the members of the AHATA were moved to the ALE to assist in the investigation.

Another point.  Why was CAPS when he first began posting ...  CAPS who is revered to have so much inside inside case information ... aware of the identity of Natalee Holloway stepfather who was in the media spotlight along side of Beth from the getgo.

Janet

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JANUARY, 2008

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #384 on: January 27, 2008, 02:51:39 PM »

need to know 2 things

Did Natalee travel somewhere before he come to Aruba

and

and the parents tree   Natalee is the doughter of  -----  and --------- etc.

I know that probably Dave Holloway has notting to do with this Case but the Twitty

Wat is twitty to natalee?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332978;topicseen#msg332978


APRIL 1, 2008

CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #609 on: April 01, 2008, 03:15:49 AM »

my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369749#msg369749

When they take people from Ahata and make them part of the police force there are MAJOR PROBLEMS!!!!!!

You involve the AHATA in the Murder investigation of an American girl??This has DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS written all over it!

ARUBA IS SICK,SICK,SICK..

there isn't much news in the Dutch media about Aruba / Natalee lately.

only a few things, some already mentioned here:

1. Peter R. de Vries was attacked on Saturday by Steve Brown.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6148472/Peter-R-de-Vries-attacked-in-car

2. Peter R. de Vries won TV personality of the Year Award and another Award for the Joran van der Sloot of last year:
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(you can see his black eye from the attack by Steve Brown)
http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/3097296/__Peter_R._TV_Persoonlijkheid_van_het_Jaar__.html?p=4,1

3. in March new Peter R. de Vries broadcasts start.

4. Geert Wilders, from the PVV political party will be prosecuted for his anti-islam opinion.
this is causing quite a big outrage both in politics and in the media.
as it seems like the freedom of speech is under threat.

however i just cannot not believe Wilders will be convicted.
i don't agree with Wilders on many issues, but he should be able to say whatever he wants.

Hero Brinkman is also of the PVV party.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481665,00.htmlhttp://www.nisnews.nl/public/270109_1.htm

5. the organisation who filed charges against Wilders is now saying that Brinkman also should be prosecuted for his opinions about the Antilles/Aruba.

i don't give them much chance, but you never know with this crazy ruling about prosecuting Wilders.

Just "WOW".  I know, I know, get back on topic.

Have i read somewhere that Paulus has a brother in the Govt. in the Netherlands???

Thanks Caesu!

Thanks for the news recap, caesu.  I was hoping some other politicians would get behind Brinkman on the Aruba issue.  But, I understand politics is politics. 

I hope you are right about the chances that neither one of them will actually be convicted of anything.  Without freedom of speech in many countries it will be a scarry world.

I agree truthseeker2.

Thank you caesu.

I fear Hero Brinkman will be next.  Aruba must be appeased.

My youngest son's Dutch American FIL is so troubled in regards to the Islamic appeasement that is taking place in his beloved homeland ... the Islamic appeasement at the expense of democratic feedom of speech.

I viewed the film clip Fitna.  The truth was exposed.

Janet

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Dutch Lawmaker, Charged With Insulting Islam, Fears Prison Sentence
Thursday, January 22, 2009 | FoxNews.com
By Joel Mowbray

A member of parliament in the Netherlands who has been charged with "insulting" Muslims says he fears he will be found guilty and sent to prison in only a few months.

An appeals court on Wednesday overturned a previous decision by prosecutors not to charge Geert Wilders, and ordered that he stand trial.

"The decision of the court today was so strong that there is a real chance unfortunately that there will be a guilty verdict," Wilders told FOXNews.com. "In fact, it was so bluntly motivated that it already looks like a verdict instead of just ordering the public prosecutor to start a trial."

Wilders, who produced a controversial film that was highly critical of the Koran last year, says he faces a maximum of two years in prison if convicted. He said he had expected to be charged, and he has retained legal assistance from a U.S.-based nonprofit to help him defend himself.

Prosecutors initially declined last year to charge the right wing politician after he issued his short film, "Fitna," which juxtaposes Koranic verses over footage of violence committed by Islamic terrorists.

But, the Netherlands allows private citizens to petition the courts to compel prosecution. In Wilders' case, eight parties, including a politician from an opposing party, asked the courts to force prosecutors to bring criminal charges.

A three-judge appeals panel on Wednesday ruled that Wilders' insults to Islam were so egregious that the principle of free speech was not sufficient defense.

"The court considers [Wilders' film] so insulting for Muslims that it is in the public interest to prosecute Wilders," a summary of the court's decision said. The court explained that Wilders' claims in "Fitna" and other media statements were "one-sided generalizations ... which can amount to inciting hatred."

Wilders on Wednesday defiantly stood by the public statements that could put him in prison.

"I lost my freedom already four and a half years ago in October 2004, when my 24-hour police protection started because of threats by Muslims in Holland and abroad to kill me," he said.

So of course I don't want to go to jail as a criminal, but I don't fear losing my freedom since I already lost my freedom in 2004."

For several months, Wilders has been receiving pro bono assistance from a U.S.-based nonprofit called the Legal Project, whose aim is to protect free speech in what it says is a worldwide campaign to silence critics of "militant" Islam.

Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes founded the Legal Project following a slew of cases in which authors and activists were sued for alleged hate speech against Muslims and Islam, including several cases in the United States.

"The Legal Project helped me when I was in the United States, arranging meetings with important legal scholars and elected officials," Wilders told FOXNews.com. "They also helped bring public attention to my case, which hopefully will help me raise money for my legal defense fund."

Click here for more on Leagal Project.

Brooke Goldstein, a human rights attorney and director of the Legal Project, said Wilders' case indicates that free speech is increasingly under assault. "Geert Wilders could be going to jail for making admittedly harsh criticisms of Islam that actually echo statements made by Muslims," Goldstein said.

"Even if he prevails at trial, the damage to free speech will be done. Who wants to risk the time, cost and public harassment of a criminal trial?"

Goldstein said criminal prosecutions for hate speech or incitement are unlikely in the U.S. because of the First Amendment, but she said the mere threat of a lawsuit can stifle speech, especially when they concern corporations that must focus on turning a profit.

Even individuals participating in what they consider basic free-speech activities can find themselves in legal crosshairs, Goldstein said.

One Legal Project client is former CIA official and NYPD counterterrorism consultant Bruce Tefft, who was sued by a Muslim police officer for "workplace harassment" after he allegedly sent anti-Muslim e-mails to a voluntary recipient list of police officers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481665,00.html

You Monkey's take it easy and don't all post at once... ::MonkeyLaugh::

I am off to bed.  G'nite all.

Keepthefaith ... we are all waiting for an answer.  Are you a girl monkey or a boy monkey?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Good Night Blue Moon.

Janet

Who's we?I think you want to know more then anyone!Would it make a difference if i was a shehe,heshe,she,and or a He ::MonkeyLaugh::.If you really want to know Janet i will tell you as i'm an honest person! ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight BlueMoon! ::MonkeyCool::

I am still waiting.  ::MonkeyCool::

Was this all a ploy to bring the Frog back out??? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #935 on: Today at 04:53:05 PM »
No she did not Kermit.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.920

Don't make me post the suckers!

Cuz I fear Ms lalasmom is not gonna like pooping her pants.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #937 on: Today at 04:58:09 PM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.920
So, what is your point????

My Point is you are incorrect and I stopped reading or respoding at your third lie.
It's superfluous to do so.

I would sorta like to see that. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Right while she was writing in her book and all.

Mrs. Janet gave my shoefly pie away ---- to strangers!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

squirt

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

No difference.

You are a Godsend to this forum nevertheless.

Back on Topic.  Kermit has entered the room.  He/she should get the discussion going.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Janet

I remember that. It's in Dave's book I think.

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Not just any strangers.  French Canadian strangers who eat little frog legs as a delicacy.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

I'm actually not going to stay.

I am locked and loaded.
Waiting for the poop to fly.
heh heh.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I remember them.
Tell em to try chicken next time!

Janet.Not to make Magnolia look good but i am a male Monkey.Pick your Jaw up!I'm a honest person so i would never lie to you! ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

I just knew Lala's would be here tonight to defend her e-mail.
I am so disappointed.

What's up with SS?

Well, I sure don't have frog timing.    ::MonkeyEek::     ::MonkeyHaHa::

AND you know I'm just sitting here waiting.....
for the next onslaught of incorrect information.
fingers tapping on the desk......
emails ready.....
I just think we better all stand clear when the poop flies.

I gotta go.

BUT trust me....

I'm ready.
Don't anyone laugh now
after the explosion of poop.

Be kind.
Offer some delicate spray
And perhaps depends.

Cuz trust me on this.
I've got the goods!
LOL
AND it wasn't no SET UP to find out who her informant was. tards.
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Are you OK Janet? ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Keepthefaith.  However ... as curious as I was ... I was going to let the issue drop. 

It is so weird ... it had never entered my mind that you were not a girl monkey.  However ... today when I referred to you as a "her" the majority of the forum spoke up.  They had always assumed you were a boy monkey.  Somethings I pick up on immediate and others ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can just imagine the whispers behind the scenes for the past couple of month with me constantly giving you all those hugs.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Well neighbour ... has the snow stopped in Seattle?  It has in the Valley.

Janet

I have my gas mask and Lysol ready.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

What about our 23 guests? 

Thank you KeeptheFaith.   I don't get to look good often. ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

texasmom!!!

I was not alone!!  You thought Keepthefaith was a girl Monkey too!!

Janet

It appears that the Kalpoes won this round. The judge ruled against the defendents motion to dismiss due to them being "Newsworthy."  This could go to actual trial. (I hope so!!)

Janet, you are never alone!  I'm trying to remember if I gave any hugs.....  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck ... why does this mean the the Kalpoes "won this round".

Thanks

Janet

I guess no one really asked about my gender.So i never brought it up!Snow stopped this morning. ::MonkeyDance:: .I'm able to be on the computer as the family owns are own businesses so that's why i'm here so often.JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,as well as STAY FOCUSED on THE PERSISTENCE!You are a Godsend Natalee,as well as the Monkey's!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Thanks OK.

Boundaries should not be an issue in regard to hugs.  We all need them once in a while.

Janet.

Because the judge apparently ruled that the Dr. Phil could not have the case dismissed.

Wreck - Where do you see that?  I didn't read it that way but I could be wrong.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks.

Janet

Wreck - there was supposed to be a hearing YESTERDAY.  The document I posted was filed the 20th.  There is nothing posted about the 1/26 hearing and there is NO FUTURE date added.  Yet....

It's OK Ladies.All plutonic.I have a wonderful girlfriend,as well as our 9yr old daughter.Yes.She is fully aware of my Monkey escapades and feels like she knows you all.I was on the phone with her letting her know i had to out myself this evening to Janet,as well as the rest of the Monkey's!Boy was she laughing.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

It looks to me the "Conclusion" spells it out. The judge looked at several "defamation" cases and ruled that the defendents could not use the fact that the plaintiffs were "newsworthy" on thier own and thus couldn't be "defamed". Yhis doesn't mean Dr. Phil is "guilty" -- only that he can't use that as an "excuse." (But, hey -- I'm no lawyer)

You alway look good to me Magnolia.

Just don't tell me that you are a boy Monkey.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

Keepthefaith ... just call me Mom.  That makes everything OK.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

We Monkey's all look good!But tonight is your night to shine! ::MonkeyDance::

I do want to thank Kermit for returning after all the dust settled!That was very much appreciated. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.  I appreciated it too! 

But I'll probably be at work when the sh_t hits the fan!  Dang it! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I will say that i do appreciate the Monkey's very much,as well as the Mods for the impossible job they do on a daily basis!You Mod's are Monkeytastic!

I'm going to ask a honest question here.Do these poster's email each other,and or congregate at another forum and wait for Kermit to post then just come to the cage and attempt to discredit the Frog?Really.I'm being 110% serious.

And a very wise girl monkey at that!   ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, a clean and calm cage.....some thoughts I'd been having resurfaced during that visit....even though I was preparing a travel post while it was happening. 

See you, later.

2nj.Thank You.

Shuttin the store down.BBL. ::MonkeyCool::

JMO but I feel quite sure that email, telephone, and the ultra secret hidey hole are all utilized.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

That Peter de Vries is one handsome fella!

Thanks caseau for the new photos.  They will go into my collection for sure!

Klaas ... it concerns me that Hans Mos appears to be letting the Kalpoes off the hook on the word of Joran ... the suspect that lies everytime he opens his mouth.

Aruba is counting on the Kalpoes winning this lawsuit with a multi million dollar award.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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hotping
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #809 on: January 06, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »

Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.
Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.

He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.
Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.
Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.
In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

2NJ,
I signed up for cruise newsletter and another travel one on trips to the Caribbean.

You are correct.  They keep becoming cheaper and cheaper.  Now only about $100 or less a night including airfare.  I think that is cheaper than I could feed my three sons at home.  Just kidding but for all inclusives, it is unbelievably cheap with transportation there and back.  Usually but not always from Florida.

So even if they are keeping rooms full, it is at a discounted price.  Very discounted.

Wow is right!  Maybe you will dream about de Vrires!

G'nite!

Tamikosmom:

Sure -- they won't go after Joran BECAUSE he LIES. They won't go after the Kalpoes because they BELIEVE him!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

A game of 500 Rummy awaits.

Janet and Ducky
9:10 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

Aruba logic.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Kermit and Janet

Your statements about me are untrue.  You have made accusations to maliciously cause defamation of my character.  This will serve as notice to cease and desist from making false and libelous statements that cause personal injury to me.

SS

Guess it took the whole group, and three hours to come up with that one; while in route to Aruba?   ::MonkeyWink::

Wreck, I read that as signed by the attorneys for the Kalpoes and not a judge, right?

They are just asking the judge to make a ruling  in this manner but one has not yet been made, just their request for it.

Claiming the image, etc, can't be used as newsworthy and that it distorts the truth which has yet to be determined.

But is their lawyers asking for this ruling and not the actual ruling being made by the judge.

Anyone else read it differently?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

SS ... I do not have a clue what you are talking about.  Please direct me to my posts that offended you personally.

Thank you.

Janet

SS ... hubby has the cards dealt and ... waiting on me at the kitchen table.

I will respond tomorrow.

Janet

How can you be "defamed" when your identity is an internet nickname???

You are probably right! (I told you I ain't no lawyer!)  ::MonkeyCool::

That's how I read it Anna, the plaintiff's are asking the judge for a ruling, the ruling has not been made.

Well, I have been reading here for hours trying to catch up.  I cleaned up my computer  and I forgot it wiped out my password and I was logged on as a guest!  Took me forever to figure out why I couldn't post.......   ::MonkeyHaHa::

My excuse is my head is killing me.... PASS THE ADVIL SAN......PRETTY PLEASE


Anyway, a monkette can't be gone for long or she misses all the action.......dang.......

I know this is petty, but I truly can't help myself, how many posters belong to C&G or were former members at C&G........  Come on now, raise your hand......  Come on, give it up........

LMAO  no wonder there's been so much trouble in the cage!  Alas, woe is me, I was never invited.  Maybe I will get to be in the "look what was posted at SM" thread??

 I STAND WITH THE FROG.  THANK YOU FREEBIRDS FOR BRINGING OVER ALL THE ENLIGHTENING IFORMATION.  IT CLEARED UP AND CONFIRMED SO MUCH FOR ME.

 ::MonkeyRoll::

OMG, Klaas, Mods  DID YOU SEE THAT....... I HIT 400 POSTS!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I GOT A RULING FOR THEM!!! 

 :smt021

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SS, I think you have done far, far more to your own credibility than anyone else has.

I agree.

Goodnight Good Monkeys,  Keep Up The Good Fight.

5:00 am comes early

 :smt015

Goodnight KYcat!

Is this a joke?You can not be serious. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Bwahahahahahahahaha!  ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Did Kyle help write that?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Goodnight KYcat!  Good to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::

SS, Now that's just silly (insert funny). I don't care who you are, that's silly (insert funny). Compliments to Larry the Cable Guy....and billb

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yes, you can usually tell which ones had help.  So after days and days of mostly being ignored, now we have drama!  Threats, even. 

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Stackin,stackin,stackin....Billb is here  ::MonkeyTongue::

O/T I was working on something else when I came accross this   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/v/MctkihapfQs&hl=en&fs=1

Did you say stackin....stackin...stackin......don't tell me you said stackin!!!!
Hi MR KTF.... ::MonkeyCool::

That about say's it in a nutshell klaas.Couldn't get much closer!

Hello BillB.Please call Monkey Inquirer.I've been outed.I am a Mr.Monkey! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Don't worry Kermit.I'm putting on my fullbody Feces suit for tomorrow,as well as my stool remover ready to go. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

KTF...Tell me it ain't so...all the times I flirted with you...like never...who would even think of starting that rumor??? TM...was that you?.... ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyDance::

Now that's funny.After the day we've had.Ending it with laughs is what it's about in the Cage! ::MonkeyDance::

Don't look at me billb!  (btw...good to see you!)  I thought KTF was a girl monkey too!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Klaas.I see you up there.Billb and TM are off topic. ::MonkeyLaugh::

Kermit...Monkeys...please don't worry about me....my whole life is surrounded by BS....I work for the Defense dept...which, in all seriousness, I'm extremely proud and humbled. They have so far allowed me to serve for 42 yrs plus....but anyway...for the sake of this post, I am well covered....poop on...
billb

On a serious note BillB.Did you catch the end of the last thread?

::MonkeyShocked:: It's all KTF's fault Klaas, monkey pinkey swear! ::MonkeyWink::

I checked Bon Dia and Diario.Anything in the other papers TM.I always forget what it's called.

PLEASE TRY AND STAY ON TOPIC  ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOODNIGHT ALL!

GoodNight Klaas! ::MonkeyCool::

I did ktf...the trolls came by to deflect again. I'm getting used to it. (scrolling, scrolling, scrolling comes to mind...I just can't get it out of my head!...ELO...LOL), They really are continuing to show their true colors (no offense Kermit...I Stand with the Frog and the Freebirds...the only clan that backs up their posts).
I may have an opinion...what specifically do you want to discuss?
 

Hope all Monkey's in the ice storms in the south are OK.Just had some news on Kentucky BlueMoon.Trees falling on power lines and starting fires.Hope all is well!

Awe Mainta had a front pager about Valero possibly closing; didn't see anymore about it inside but I was fast scanning!

1/28/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

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http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=240:valero-lo-por-cera-refinera-na-aruba&catid=11:local&Itemid=56

Papiamentu translation:

valero will can close refinera at aruba
tuesday, 27 january 2009 20:54 valero energy corp will can close permanentemente the refinerianan cu they does not more y cu they not can sell, according declaracionnan yesterday of chairman y chief executive, bill klesse. “si do you not kierman y do you not can bendenan, i am supone cu the respuesta will is si”, klesse owing to contesta on the question if the refinerianan not deseabel will can wordo close permanentemente, cu owing to wordo haci by of one analista. esey kiermen cu the refinerianan at aruba y memphis (merca) if not arrive at one acuerdo rapidamente for they throw, will can close they door, lagando one cantidad big of aruban without work come across

Goodnight Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Didn't know if you had a chance to read it due to the thread change.Although i'm sure i'll never be able to understand.What do these posters hope to accomplish?Really.

Why would Valero close that refinery?Isn't that a fairly strategic location?Is someone buying it?What will they put there in it's place?Just thinking out loud!

Oh, wow, this would be major doom for Aruba.  On top of the tourist situation, major, major doom.  All Valero has to do is let the refinery sit idle and they just may with the economy as it is.

Big time major doom for Aruba should this happen.

KTF, price of oil and gasoline is down.  Might be more economical to operate closer to home.  Many are just cutting back because of less demand.

I tought it was a done deal that Brazil was buying it but Aruba has made premature claims about the future of the refinery many times.

It's about their only other source of income after tourism.

Just to disrupt and/or silence the discussion about the trap and failure to handle the contents in a responsible manner???

I don't think there is any excuse for misquoting a member of Natalee's family for any reason.  Set up or not, that is just plain wrong.

No one is required to post here.  We all post as guests of the owner of the site.  That would be Red.  But some just keep on and on and on trying to stir up something.  It is obviously just a game of some sort to them and they think they are more important than justice. 

It is a interesting dynamic.What will Aruba do?Time will tell and i think it will be interesting!gas prices can keep going down. ::MonkeyDance::

Good night monkeys..... :)

Nite Mere

Nite Monkeys

HUGS

OS

Goodnight Mere and OS!   ::MonkeyCool::

The goal is simple.JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

Goodnight Mere!

Goodnight Os!

The confused SM posters (now turning towards trolls) are just trying to hang on to their egos but trying to convince us that they had reason to move over to the (not sustainable )way of thinking that somehow kyle/John s/louis s/caps..are truly behind supporting Justice for Natalee....IMHO..Monkeys are to smart to buy into that "way of thinking"...because, quite frankly...it does not add up in any stretch of the imagination. I honestly looked forward to most of their posts before the events of the persistence search...But with their every post since then, they appear hellbent to discredit Kermit and the Freebird posters...but don't have any documentation to back their position....truly sad...kyle, john s, loius s, caps have all been encouraged to posts their positions, but haven't...and why anyone would think that speaking on behalf of them would influence the monkeys to accept their positions without questions...
well...that is lame......

My only

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/valero-refinery-30591/index2.html

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=akkyr7QbxPrU&refer=news

Valero Plans to Sell Aruba Refinery in Second Quarter (Update2)

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By Victor Epstein

March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Valero Energy Corp., the largest U.S. refiner, plans to sell its Aruba refinery in the second quarter to focus on improvements to plants that can process cheaper oil.

The list of plants Valero has identified for possible sale also includes those in Krotz Springs, Louisiana, Memphis, and Ardmore, Oklahoma. Bill Klesse, chief executive officer of the San Antonio-based company, said refineries fetched more money a year ago.

The company plans to bankroll improvements at its most complex plants by selling off its least desirable assets. Valero sold its 120-year-old refinery in Lima, Ohio, for $1.9 billion in July 2007.

``Aruba, I believe is going to happen,'' Klesse said today during a presentation to analysts and investors in New York. ``We have a transaction and we have a buyer and everything here fits very nicely.''

The Aruba buyer may be Rio De Janeiro-based Petroleo Brasileiro SA or Switzerland-based Petroplus Holdings AG, Roger Read, an analyst at Natixis Bleichroeder Inc. in New York, said in a telephone interview.

Refineries are selling for less this year than they did in 2007 because high oil prices have narrowed processing margins, making the business look less attractive, Read said. Financing is also more difficult because of the credit crunch, he said.

``The upper range potential for what you could sell a refinery for is less now than a year ago, but Valero's still going to sell every one of these refineries for more than they paid for them,'' said Read, who has a ``buy'' rating on Valero shares and doesn't own them.

No Investments

Klesse also said Valero has no plans to invest in the Krotz Springs and Memphis plants. Memphis needs a new fluid catalytic cracker because the unit must be shut for repairs every 18 months instead of the four-to-five-year timeframe Valero considers normal, he said. Crackers are a refinery's primary gasoline-processing unit.

Valero shares rose 86 cents, or 1.8 percent, to $48.96 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares have dropped 30 percent this year.

``The challenge to selling Aruba is that it needs a lot of additional investment,'' Read said. ``Whoever buys it is going to have to put a lot of money into it.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Victor Epstein in Houston at vepstein@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: March 26, 2008 16:17 EDT

Good night, Mere.

Think I will head for the monkey bunkey myself. 

Goodnight Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::

I just ran across this and thought WTF......This is Crazy!  ::MonkeyShocked::



   
http://buywineguide.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-drink-in-aruba-at-bars-natalie.html
 

Good Night Anna!  ::MonkeyCool::

Now that Monkey's understand i'm a Mr.Monkey with a 9yr old daughter.I must say.Dave and Beth are the epitome of Good Human beings.I can say unequivocally,i don't think i could handle myself in such a dignified manner regarding the MURDER and cover-up of my daughter.The Americans on the Persistence is just more salt in the wound.Natalee would be getting ready to go to Med school if she chose to!These POS on Aruba live their lives and walk FREE..The only solace i have is that they WILL meet their maker!

GOD BLESS DAVE AND BETH,THE MONKEY'S,AND ALL THOSE WHO KEEP NATALEE HOLLOWAY IN THEIR PRAYERS AND HEARTS.

TO ALL A GOODNIGHT.

KEEPTHEFAITH

God Bless

I've got lots of catching up to do, but wanted to say HELLO to all, while you guys were still awake!!

Hi Monkeys!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, it's all about Natalee........... 

Thanx Billb.Till tomorrow!

More interesting Stuff.Thanx TM.I will google all day long tomorrow. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night MR KTF! I'm sorry I missed out on all the fun earlier but a Friend called from PA and kept Me on the phone for hours...She is snowed in and was having a bad case of the Winter Blues.....BTW I thought You were a Girl Monkey Too!  ::MonkeyTongue:: 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Yes Hotping, that's crazy and sick!

Goodnight KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night All!

Hotping....
you are so right...this is crazy to all thinking adults...but common in aruba society...unfortunately...the good people are treated like sheep, and if the try to get engaged/informed/or question authority...they are struck down....third world mentality...in this case...ruled by corrupt dutch regime...

Goodnight Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::

good night texasmom, Cageman, Icehawk, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Hang in there...There Will be Justice for Natalee!!!SM cage and all the monkeys coming up on almost 4 years seeking Justice...make me a true believer!!

Goodnight Biib

Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  KTF I KNEW YOU WERE A BOY MONKEY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE INSIDE INFORMATION  LOL............  REALLY, I JUST THOUGHT YOU WERE BY THE WAY YOU POST.

ON MY WAY OUT THE DOOR, KY IS DECLARED AN EMERGENCY STATE....... IT SOUNDS LIKE SHOTGUNS GOING OFF IN THE WOODS BEHIND ME WITH THE TREE BRANCHES SNAPPING.  NOT AS BAD AS THE 1994 ICE STORM BUT STILL UNSETTLING.

PRAYING FOR ALL MONKEYS THAT ARE IN THE AFFECTED AREAS.  BIG DAY AHEAD OF ME AT WORK BUT I WILL CHECK IN LATER. 

STILL HERE FOR NATALEE.  WE WANT THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE.  BRING NATALEE HOME.

GOOD DAY TO ALL, STAY SAFE AND WARM!!

new pic

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/VALkopie.jpg)

Does she have undies on ?   ::MonkeyEek::

State of Emergency is correct.  It is a wild ride. But I still have electricity where LOTS do not.  They are housing people in churches, schools etc. just to keep them warm.

I see some have been threatened now.  How sad.  I didn't know you could file a "cease and dissist " order against an internet user name (which I assume is not your true name).  Amazing.  Kermit, bring it on.

SS wrote:
Kermit and Janet

Your statements about me are untrue.  You have made accusations to maliciously cause defamation of my character.  This will serve as notice to cease and desist from making false and libelous statements that cause personal injury to me.

SS
----------------------


OMG!!!!!!  I left here last night laughing thanks to Tib.  And now first thing this morning I get another good laugh!

Thanks SS!!!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Would you like reference to a good attorney to straighten you out on this?  I have an EXCELLENT one!

'Course, I don't think you'll like what she has to say about your chances...........

is it a On topic day today ?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's make it about Natalee today.  Sounds good to me.

Sounds good to me too............

Let's get back to Jeannette Richardson for a moment.

She was Head of Staffing, wouldn't that mean she determined who worked what/where?

Remember vd straten headed up the investigation, until he "retired" in July 2005, and then Jeannette's hubby took over - Richardson.

Remember also the recent accusations about a less than stellar ALE team that was assigned to this case?

I wonder just WHO assigned that team?  Jeannette Richardson, by chance?

Aruba
CBA: Capacity utilization hotels sharply lower
27 Jan, 2009, 14:36 (GMT -04:00)


 
The occupancy rate of hotels in the month of November last year was significantly lower than in the same period in 2007

ORANGE CITY-The average occupancy rate of hotels in November last year 71 percent, almost 10 percent lower than in the same period in 2007. This is reflected in the summary of the monthly report of the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) on November 2008.

The data on the average occupancy rate of hotels have been provided by the Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS). They leave in November 2008 show a decrease of 8.9 percent. The Cruise Tourism Authority (CTA) in November 2008 a further decrease of 6.7 percent recorded in the number of cruise passengers. The number of vessels fell by 8.6 percent, compared with the corresponding month in 2007.

The provisional figures on the number of tourists to an increase of 4 percent seen in the first eleven months of 2008 compared with 10.3 per cent in the corresponding period of 2007. Figures from the CBS in November 2008 to an increase of 12.2 percent seen in the corrected number of passengers arrived through the airport, compared with the same period a year earlier.

CBA indicates that the growth of consumer spending is still slowing down to. This is supported by the figures on growth in consumer loans. The growth of consumer credit came in the first eleven months of 2008 from 4.2 percent, compared with growth of 6.2 per cent in the corresponding period of 2007. The income tax on company convert (BBO), adjusted for inflation, showed a decline of 2.4 percent in the month of November 2008, compared with the corresponding month of 2007.

In November last year, the consumer price index (CPI) increased by 4.4 percent compared with the corresponding month of 2007. The average twelve month inflation accelerated to 9 percent, compared with 5.4 percent in November 2007. The difference in inflation in the United States rose to 4.8 percentage points, compared with 2.6 percentage points in November 2007. Without water, electricity and gasoline to count increased the twelve month inflation in November this year by 0.7 percentage point to 5.4 percent, compared with the corresponding period a year earlier.

Money
In November 2008, the money supply increased by 51.1 million florin or 1.8 percent to 2889.7 million, due to an increase in net domestic assets of 56.5 million florin, which was partially offset by a net outflow of currency abroad abroad of 5.4 million florin. The net foreign asset fell to 1024.7 million at the end of November 2008. This is 297.8 million or 41 percent higher than the amount registered in the corresponding month of 2007.

The increase in net domestic asset was mainly caused by an increase of 33.2 million florin in the net assets of the banking sector on the
public sector, due to a decrease in bank deposits of the government.
Loans to businesses, consumer loans and residential mortgages increased by 10.4 million, 3.5 million and 2.5 million florin. The non-to-bank lending-related activities rose by 9.9 million florin.

Changes in the money supply in November 2008 (in millions florin):

1. Net foreign asset -5.4
2. Net domestic asset 56.5
      a. Net claims on the public sector 33.2
      b. Lending to businesses 10.4
      c. Consumer credit 3.5
      d. Residential mortgages 2.5
      e. Other receivables banking -3.0
      f. Not-to-credit-related activities 9.9
3. 51.1 Net change money

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52009.php

Most agencies/organizations/companies do not allow immediate members of the same family to work in the same area like this.
I find this very strange.  Also the fact that the extra "carnival" police were assigned to this case I think was a sort of inside joke or insult to the case as well.

Good Morning, Monkeys! 

Drinking coffee and reading about.

Good Morning, Caps,

Can you help us to clear any of this up?

Glad I'm not the only one who does!!

Interesting also if you think about it...............last January (IIRC) Gelien was trying to tell Mos her "story", and had to be referred to Richardson - as it was Richardson thru whom ALL information/evidence was flowing to the OM's office.  (I know Janet has that article somewhere)

Richardson would also be the ONLY person (if we are to believe that) who would have interviewed this pond "witness" then as well.  NOT Clyde Burke.

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The only thing that bothers me about all this decline in tourism is that I think
they might try to use that as an excuse for not doing anything on this
investigation.  Say they don't have the money to pay for the manpower to
actually check anything out.

One excuse is just about as good as another, however.


.

I found it strange too, jen and Anna!  I've been trying to reason that one out; but I guess I should know better than trying to make sense of it...after all it is Aruba.

I think what raises my hinky meter the most about it, is that Dolphi's role was kept SO quiet, for SO long.

All we heard from/about after vd straten left was Dompig.  When as it turns out, it was Richardson all along who was pulling the strings - with Dompig merely in the public eye.

Why hide who was really in charge of the investigation for so long?

Why hide that his wife was (from all I've been able to find) the one making staffing decisions?

Yes, Mos seems to be becoming notorious for refusing to meet with people.  Not only did he refer Gelien to Richardson but he refused to meet with Tim Miller and then in his press conference is whining about not receiving the polygraph results.

At least that is the way I remember it.  I don't have Janet's superb filing system and am dependent on my memory for things like this.

And even before receiving those results, Mos as deemed this witness not credible.  I wonder on what basis he made that determination.

Can't you just see him stomping his foot saying "NO, I WILL NOT MEET WITH YOU!"  lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MosHansOM1-1.jpg)

What was Dolph Richardson's title?
I have heard Van der Stratten and Dompig referred to
as both Police Chief and Police Commissioner.

I think ALE is just a fly by the seat of the pants organization.
No rules really apply.

But it was Richardson who came here to meet with Bachus along with AHATA or ATA Rep Arlene, right?  That should have been a clue.

Maybe they felt Dompig was the better PR person or had better English.  I always remember Dompig that time he was complaining about what Beth thought of him.  It was the most unprofessional interview of a LE officer I have ever seen in my life!

And now some want him to return as Chief because he is "tremendous"!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I can!  Looks particularly strange on someone of his height.


Remember, he also refused to meet with Greta.  That's what I mean by a pattern of refusing to meet with people about this investigation.  Guess he is afraid they will figure out that there is not one.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

SS ... my request as been ignored.  How am I suppose to defend myself against "your" accusation that I made making "false and libelous statements" against you.

I am on a mission to explore all the happenings encompassing ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... John Silvetti's partipation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... a coverup that may have resulted in a lost opportunity to bring Natalee Holloway home to her family ... home to rest on American soil.

Nevertheless ... I apologize if my words gave the impression that I was attacking you personally.  That was not my intention.  The topic encompassing ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... the deception of the Persistence undertaking is my focus.

Janet

Here is what looks to have been a direct tie between Jeannette Richardson and Jan vd Straten.

And note the date Jan was still a member of this committe - WELL after he was supposed to be off the island and in Bonaire.

This appears to be a supporting connection between those two and the MEP party......

Also another interesting last name seems to have popped up on this committee as well.....



http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm

COMISION BON BOLUNTAD ta un initiativa di gremionan comercial y sindical - den cuadro di nan responsabilidad civico - pa duna aporte na e proceso electoral y e sistema democratico arubano. E comision tabata activo durante e eleccionnan pa miembro di Parlamento na aña 1994, 1997 y 2001. Na april 2005 e comision a worde re-activa en conexión cu proximo eleccion, oficialmente stipula pa dia 23 di september 2005. E comision ta consisti di siete miembro y ta traha a base voluntario. Na final lo tene un evaluacion di e campaña electoral 2005.

aim of the comision:

*for give one contribucion at one campaña electoral clean, transparente y of level halto;

*garantiza oportunidad equal for cada faction politico;

*evita actonan of violencia, destruccion or cu is stroba faction politico of
funciona.

tarea of the comision:

* stipula reglanan of conducta for her period of campaña;

* monitor the campaña electoral y colecta datos financiero of the campaña;

*close one econvenio voluntario cu the partidonan politico cu will participa at eleccion day 23 of september 2005;

*deal kehonan tocante the reglanan of conducta y the campaña electoral provided that general;

*sanciona violacionnan of the convenio voluntario by denuncia publico;

*publica one evaluacion of the proceso electoral y the relato financiero of campaña.

Members of Commission:


Dunador di trabao Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
Lisette Malmberg – suplente


Sindicato: Jose Giron
Sixto Vrolijk – suplente


Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
Angelo Brete – suplente


Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
Pader S. Tomasik – suplente


Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
Jan v/d Straten – suplente


Secretario: Lorraine de Souza

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS.

Life outside the cage beckons this morning.

Later, Janet
8:30 AM PT

Oh - and there's another last name in there that looks to be suspiciously similar to a last name Jossy recently let fly..................If I'm not mistaken.  ::MonkeyWink::

Why the hell would you apologize? What kind of "personal injury" can one inflict on an internet nickname????????????????????????????

Blue Moon

The deception encompassing the deception of the Persistence undertaking is "all about Natalee".  If ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... Natalee Holloway's remains were placed in that cage/trap ... my heart breaks for her family.

Considering the domino effect of accountability dictates that justice for Natalee Holloway will never come out of an Aruban/Dutch courtrooom ... the deception of the Persistence undertaking ... accoring to Kyle Kingman's own words ... implies there will never be complete closure for her family.  However ... if it can be determined/exposed that Natalee Holloway's remains were placed in that cage/trap ... maybe a measure of closure would be afforded the family.

Sincerely, Janet

Good Mornnig Wreck.

The important words of my post was "IF".

Later, Janet

So noted. My main intent was to emphasize my second point. (I'm not saying you did ANYTHING wrong)

I agree, Wreck!
It hurt my heart to see Janet apologizing.
I think everybody here was fairly kind, considering all the
accusations that SS was hurling.
Are Monkeys just suppose to sit and take it without any
response?   I don't think so!

Good Morning Monkey's!I'm starting to get the feeling Caps is friendly with many in ALE.Not just Clyde Burke.If this is true.How unfortunate!Headed to the store.Be back shortly!

Oh Janet. Please don't take my statement wrong about making this about Natalee.  I meant we keep getting interrupted so much lately and offtrack when we do discuss Natalee and the Persistence with all this WA WA crap about I, I, You, WE and we just don't hear about Natalee, Beth or Dave from the CnG gang. 

I believe whole heartedly that something very very bad occured with that cage and the remains (whoever those remains belong to).

Shame on you for hurting someone's reputation.  Don't you know better than hurt an internet "Name" that way? 

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/indexmonket.png)

The connections in Aruba still continue to amaze me.  I didn't realize Dolphi Richardson's wife also worked for ALE. 

As for the Persistence, given the things posted by OE/Kyle, wouldn't it be a very simple matter to state that he was mistaken or that he stands by his posts?  End of problem?

I don't understand why some want this to be ignored.  We didn't start it, Kyle did with his accusations of what happened and who caused it.

And there still has been no arrests of anybody at all, at least not reported.

If people are just stating a theory, it should be expressed as such and not stated as a hard, concrete fact.

IMHOO

Agreed Anna.So how friendly were the Richardson's with Sarah Mansur(Van Der Startten's secretary and her husband?Does anyone specifically know whom that is?TIA

I don't even know what is on topic any more or where we are with the search for justice for Natalee.

So what actually is happening now that we know about?

1.  Rob said TJ Ward gave the tapes to Greta that are about Paulus and some Colombians.  Whatever happened with that?

2.  Mos says he does not have the polygraph results and refused to meet with Tim Miller earlier.

3.  JQK went to Aruba early this month.  We don't know why.

4.  Mos says the pond witness is not credible.  Does this mean he is not going to do anything at all with that information?

5.  We have learned that only ALE had access to the contents of the fish trap and they are saying nothing there to see, move along, move along.

6.  Kalpoe trial seems to progress at a snail's pace with little to nothing actually happening in that regard.  Motions, continuations, etc. only.  Joran is to be believed when he says they know nothing and have nothing to do with Natalee and yet he is not to be believed in any other regard.

Several people have indicated something is happening behind the scenes.  What could it be and when will it come to light?

Is this about it?

Can anyone add something I missed? 

I would like to hear the tapes Greta has but so far she has not even mentioned them I don't believe.

That pretty much sums it up for me!

Greta doing the whole Joran interview with no real follow-up is interesting.Are they waiting for something in particular?I'm waiting to hopefully hear those Tj Ward tapes.Timing is everything though.keeping Natalee in the media spotlight this long is a blessing!

You forgot a bunch of monkeys and former monkeys got their panties in a wad, because we exposed the fact that they don't know any more than we do.

Ree is right Anna. ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, Ree, that too!


I also forgot the movie for Lifetime that will be coming out in just a few months.

This will put Natalee back in the media for sure.

The choices of who is to play the parts seemed exceptionally good to me.

So that's a biggie, too.

.

Thanks for the reminder about the movie, Anna.  That is supposed to be in April, sometime. 

2NJ - can you help me post a picture?  I emailed it to klaas, but I think my timing was bad.

I have not a clue how to do it - but I do have a link  ::MonkeyConfused::

CONTACT LIJST DIVISIE STAF: (xxx) xxx-xxx 
DIVISION NAME TEL OR EXT  FAX
Hoofd Staf Korpschef  Jeannette Richardson   ext:
Bureau Interne Zaken en Onderzoeken   
Algemeen Beleidsmedewerker  Errol Zebeda  ext:
Juridisch Beleidsmedewerker  Arlene Franken-Thode  ext:
PR en Voorlichting  Edwin Comenencia  ext
Interpol Johnny Tromp  


http://www.kparuba.com/contacts.html

Jen,

When posting, paste your link & highlight it, then go to the buttons provided above your message.  The second from the bottom left is 'insert image'.  Click on that and it should be okay.

OK thank you.  Let me try.

If any monkeys can help determine what the street names are in this area, I would appreicate it.  This is the soccer field - near the Monserrat pond.

TIA!!

(http://s656.photobucket.com/albums/uu290/freebirdjustice/General/?action-view&current=Nacional-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I'm guessing I did something wrong.

There is a link in photobucket for IMG....what you posted looks right to me... ::MonkeyWaa::

If Paulus is friends with ol' JT he's got interpol covered.You think?

Let's try again.............if this doesn't work, can you please delete these two posts of mine?  No need to clutter up the cage, lol

(http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu290/freebirdjustice/General/Nacional-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks 2NJ!!!!!!!

What I'm interested in, are the street names here................and mostly for the street with the yellow dots.

I know members like Johan have posted many similar pictures but at the moment, I'm not sure if the street names are included.  I'd have to look for them...not sure we put them all in the map section of Important Documents.  My guess is we did not.  :(    Maybe I'm wrong.  Worst case, maybe the area can be googled again.

What a great website!

http://www.kparuba.com/index.html

Posted on the front page of SM:

 ::MonkeyEek::

If you can say - was that a post from Aruba?

Aruba, Diaranzon 28 Januari 2009
now cu crisis mundial is come completa trabao of bbo
escandalo platform pio cu caso holloway
aruba is lose crebilidad cu have to evita his caida

oranjestad(aan): at the momentonan here all country is deal of present they self because; estadonan cu credibilidad for so can across the part more pisa of the crisis mundial, cu owing to anuncia his self year happen.

aruba is lose all his credibilidad. gobierno not can show the banconan foreigner earnest cu the can atende finanza of aruba. now the compania spanish also have to talk. while the situation in platform is alcanza the sharp maximo cu can owing to wait for just hour banco central is anuncia cu economia is become faint, aruba owing to lose his credibilidad cu can resulta fateful for her country!

the escandalo in platform, cu now is rementa, can have efectonan pio cu the caso natalee holloway for aruba.

esey is thing expertonan owing to adverti daily paper. if in the caso holloway already gobernacion earnest owing to become cuestionabel, now world is bay ask about his self what is type of country aruba is.

this is fateful for her country, cu without credibilidad will see door of all instancia financiero internacional earnest y right close door pe, while the market cu will open his door will is esun cu majority of country earnest is rechaza. expertonan owing to tell daily paper cu they're teme for her resultadonan cu thing is happen in platform will have for aruba. do not deal only of the interest of esnan directamente envolvi in platform or establecimento on platform but of all aruba.

 the imagen of aruba is destrosa for her manchanan cu is place on dje in the type of proyectonan here. same cu daily paper is present articulonan of paisnan caminda casonan similar owing to place the paisnan here lose they cara, is happen now cu aruba. instancianan internacional is follow the sucesonan here because is deal here of proyecto of sumanan enormous.

 besides for her proyecto here come aruba owing to break relacionnan cu two compania crucero important, cu assure have influencia enormous in exterior y in world of turism internacional. bienestar of aruba is at game cu the proyecto of platform, as informantenan owing to tell daily paper.

 they preocupacion is, cu aruba already is in one crisis social y financiero big. the escandalo of platform is the drop cu was have have to for her hemchi fill. if thing is happen at aruba y is exponi in exterior for his lazonan comercial, alcanza prensa mundial aruba is in one posicion mucho more important cu the caso holloway, expertonan owing to show

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news1.html

What is the relationship between Dolph and Jeannette?In the KPA organizational chart she is directly below De Witte.Was that the position Van Der Stratten held?

Spanish to English Translation of Above Article


This is in Daily Aruba, Diaranzon 28 Januari 2009 now cu world crisis is eats complete joins of bbo scan it
platform I chirp cu case holloway aruba is lose crebilidad cu have to avoids his fallen

Oranjestad (aan) : at the momentonan wounds all country is deal of present they self because; estadonan cu credibility for I am can across the part dies steps of the world crisis, cu owing to announces his self year happen. 

Aruba is lose all his credibility. government not can show the banconan foreigner earnest cu the can attends finance of aruba. now the compania spanish also have to talk. while the situation in platform is reaches the sharp maximo cu can owing to wait for just hour central bank is announces cu economia is become faint, aruba owing to lose his credibility cu can results fateful for her country! 

The scan it in platform, cu now is rementa, can have efectonan I chirp cu the case natalee holloway for aruba. 

Esey is thing expertonan owing to adverti daily paper. if in the case holloway already gobernacion earnest owing to become cuestionabel, now world is bay ask about his self what is type of country aruba is. 

this is fateful for her country, cu without credibility will see door of all international financial instance earnest and right close door pe, while the market cu will bid for his door will is esun cu majority of country earnest is rejects. expertonan owing to tell daily paper cu they' re fears for her resultadonan cu thing is happen in platform will have for aruba. gave not deal only of the interest of Esnan directly envolvi in platform or establecimento on platform but of all aruba. 

The image of aruba is destrosa for her manchanan cu is tackle on dje in the type of proyectonan wounds. be me cu daily paper is present articulonan of paisnan caminda casonan similar owing to tackle the paisnan wounds lose they expensive, is happen now cu aruba. instancianan international is follow the sucesonan wounds because is deal wounds of project of sumanan enormous. 

Besides for her project wounds eats aruba owing to break relacionnan cu two compania cruiser important, cu assure have influence enormous in exterior and in world of turism international. welfare of aruba is at game cu the project of platform, ace informantenan owing to tell daily paper. 

they preocupacion is, cu aruba already is in one financial and social crisis big. the scan it of platform is the drop cu was have have to for her hemchi fill. if thing is happen at aruba and is exponi in exterior for his lazonan commercial, reaches world press aruba is in one posicion a lot dies important cu the case holloway, expertonan owing to show

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news1.html

Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

I wore brown long trousers, a blue cap and a blue pullover.

Jeannette is Dolphi's wife.

vd straten was Commissioner.........I think.

Thanks hotping!

That is a powerful article!!

YW Jen.... Yes it is Very Interesting from what I can make out from the Translation!  ::MonkeyWink::

The Dirty ol' interest's of the Dutch Elite took precedence over the interest's of the Island.What shame.They have no value for a human being.JMOO

Thanx Jen!

Not Aruba and not the Netherlands or USA but further north  ::MonkeyWink::

Miss Janet, did you post that? ::MonkeyRoll::

I googled this area and thought I'd captured at least a link, but unfortunately I did not.  Anyway, I could only see two streets identified and it was the one running vertical on your pic at the tip of the red arrow.  Van Bubali Naar Noord.  This street curves and continues down from the first yellow dot to the left of the arrow.  The street of interest to you, however, was not named, that I could see from my limited map prowess.  The only other street I could see was Weg Bubali Naar Palm Beach, which was to the left of your pic and also running vertically. 

If I get a chance, I will attempt to get a screen shot or the link...unless a super map monkey does so before I do.

2NJ - Thank you so much for your efforts.

Figures the one street I'm interested in is the one being elusive!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks klaas!

Where did Louis Schaefer put all his money??? ::MonkeyConfused::

Ah - question of the day!

That street is called Kamerlingh Onnes

I've been trying to figure that out, myself.   

I could never discern the "blue cap" in the cage (although I did see what Anna et al were referring to), but if it WAS a cap -- that would be very significant!

Thanks bastibro!  Are you absoposilutely sure?

There has to be a money trail somewhere.How do you move that kind of money without a RED-FLAG????Is Kyle working for Alpine ocean seismic survey currently,and or is he working for Schaefer or Silvetti?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=aruba+racquet+club&sll=12.52111,-69.968338&sspn=0.230253,0.291138&g=aruba&ie=UTF8&t=h&ei=dr-ASfT4K6b2jQP_lMzGCw&view=map&attrid=&ll=12.565863,-70.036603&spn=0.003471,0.004549&z=18


Perhaps this will show the area with one of the street names showing.....

Me too 2nj. ::MonkeyConfused::

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=6750266&page=1

Just check for

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/MonkeyDriveBy.gif)


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mere - thanks!  Jen does this help you?

Jen...this link will show the second street...pull the map over to the left to see how the street curves....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&view=map&q=Kamerlingh+Onnes,+aruba&sll=12.565863,-70.036603&sspn=0.003597,0.004549&ie=UTF8&ll=12.552302,-70.014603&spn=0.013886,0.018196&t=h&z=16

OK.............I think I found it, LOL.

Thank you so much Mere!!!!

Now.............I've found that road, and the name of it on the cross road going the other directions, so is the yellow road that crosses it going in the correct location the same name?

Wow!!  That reads horribly!!  Lemme try that again.

The road with the name Kamerlingh Onnes runs in one direction, and crosses another highlighted road.

That other highlighted road is the I mean...............does THAT road also have the name of Kamerlingh Onnes?

JEN - I remembered I had these street maps:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arubamap5.jpg)

The links below are to larger size maps, too large to post other than with the link:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arubamap1.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/Arubamap2.jpg

Thanks klaas!

I think I'm becoming cross-eyed.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Whatcha takin about Ree.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

jen ... this wannabe detective is speculating that there is a doc in the works.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet

Unfortunately not.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Natalee's Freebirds have disbanded - for all practical purposes.  The blog is in lock down.  No need to invite litigation to those who remain watching over the place.

No.............I'm just trying to put the pieces of a theory together, it is seemingly promising - but it just sprouted this morning.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey ... go for it!!!  A theory/document can always be shared outside of the Natalee's Freebirds' coup.  Justice for Natalee Hollway does not have any boundaries.

Good Afternoon All!

Janet
1:35 PM PT

Good Afternoon Janet. ::MonkeyCool::

Very true Janet..............very true!

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Hi Mr. Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Is it time for another KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS reminder?

Janet