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Thanks Northern Rose.

Janet

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LEROY, I would have never recognized you if I hadn't see the size on your ears!  ::MonkeyCheer3::

Fanny Mae!!

I have missed ya.

Janet

Been a little under the weather, but I have been trying to keep up.  ::MonkeyKiss::

from the GF's MS.

First weekend with my Dale – View Photo

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=155284717&albumID=2388007&imageID=37851096

three months and we only have 6 pages ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi, and thanks for the new thread.

Last night I had a thought I was too tired to post about the comment a poster made here about Klaas saying SS like everyone in McCleary is still a suspect, meaning IMO that no one has been ruled out as of yet.

We've read that MB and Scott did take LDT's and the word was they were satisfactory in that there was no deception as I would read that.  Passed is the wrong word I know for a LDT.  Did we ever have a quote from LE that these 2 people have been cleared?  I know they both volunteered to take the test.

So my thoughts then went to Dale who was named as a POI.  I'm wondering if when he was contacted by LE on July 29th if he was taken to the station for that interview?  Also, was he given a LDT or did he maybe volunteer for one hoping to be cleared from any involvement? 

With the questions he had to be asked from whar we've read in the Affidavit, you would think he'd be very curious as to why, or else wondering how much they really knew.  I'd think that would be a telling factor in looking at him even tho any attorney would advise a client not to take this test as it isn't even admissable in court.


Ta

why are we all so confuzzled?

Where is Lindsey?

Well I can only speak for myself, but I stay confused on this thread which was why I never posted until yesterday.....What's your theory or take on his case ::MonkeyTongue::

From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?

Reposting from other thread the location of the homes of TG and TW, across the street from each other ::MonkeyBike::

Thank you Island
Isn't the Golder homes 2 parcels.....040 and 050?

That's why I don't post here.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

they have 2 parcel, both are 040a and one is 040b

Here is the info from the tax site:

Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

I do .  Do you believe DG is being set up and if so why? Did DG change his last name?   What do you think may have happened?

Sorry Monkeys - I am not hearing voice.  Since Tamra reads and has answered Karma just throwing this our there.

i have a gazillion but none hold water.  everything from satanist to kk.   ::MonkeyConfused::

OT/ LOL look at you jsm! ::MonkeySkate::

HELP!!!!! I've fallen and I can't get up!!!! My head is spinning. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Ahh,thanks Island

Thanks for the response Tamra but I never talked about your son.I only talked about Dale Golder.I did get the inlaw info wrong and apologized for that.
You may have me mixed up with another poster somewhere.
So you don't think any of those sexual abuse allegations about Dale are true?
Thank you Northern

Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake

Here you go ShortCake
It was listed under #6 I think.They are not in order.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0

I don't see it listed other but ... SM's trusty search engine directed me right to it.

Janet

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Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0

 I was going to do do some research and found it missing.  Maybe a tempoary glitch or just my computer? ::MonkeyConfused::

It was filed in the Missing persons archives.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0

Errrmmm.. Just a thought.. Not so sure it's a good idea to encourage the exchange of questions/answers between someone on a myspace acct and SM.   It could get confusing for some.  Might be good to wait til when/if that person gets approved as a member at SM, and can post here herself.   I dunno, just my two cents.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09
in Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives

Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09
in Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09

Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
in Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09

Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?

Thanks Janet , and Karma.  But why archive that thread.  Maybe Klass can bring it back as it has a lot of interesting posts.  Especially for research.

Tamra

You must feel sick after reading the SW.  Have you talked to your kids.

Janet

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SEARCH WARRANT

Originally Posted by momtective 

While looking into Golder’s background it was discovered that in 2000 he was a suspect in the attempted rape of a child. The case was located under McCleary Police department case number 00MC0014. Golder was 14 years old at the time of the incident. It was determined that the victim of the assault was named ____________, she was 12 years old at the time. No reports of this incident appear to exist except a computer entry.
Investigators attempted to locate ____________. They first located her mother. Initially the mothe rsaid nothing like this ever happened involving her daughter. She was pressed and given details and she stated she didn’t believe anything had happened to her daughter. She said that when the police arrived to speak to her daughter her daughter told police nothing had happened.

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 

I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.

A lurking monkey has a question. WHO is TamraTamra? TIA JSM  ::MonkeyConfused::

Considering there was an apparent sighting of Dale's vehicle in the location that there were witness sightings of Lindsey after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... I believe you could be on to something Wyks.

Why happened to Dale's claim that he was asleep at the time when Lindsey would be on her journey along Maple.

Janet


Originally Posted by momtective  

On 08-26-08 investigators saw ___________in McCleary and contacted him about this case. He was asked to relate everything he had done from the time he got up on 06-26-09. He wrote a brief paragraph about going to a neighbor’s house____________) next door and planting tomatoes and having a BBQ. He said he went home about 9:00pm to watch television, but “passed out” and woke up in the morning. He claimed that he had been home and had not been in the town of McCleary that night. He claimed not to know Lindsey Baum and had never seen her before.

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Credit: Karma

 

I thought that at first too!  But then realized that she posted on DGs myspace that night at 6:59p.  Also said in the search warrant was that she and DG spoke by phone at 9:26p, when she said he told her he had to go to work. 

(he lied to her, cuz he didn't go to work that night... plus he was supposedly 'passed out' on the couch from 9p on, yet was supposedly seen by someone around 10p over by the Beehive Center.   which version do we believe?). 

At any rate, going back to the phone records, and the myspace messages, doesn't seem like they were together that night.  But who knows for sure in this case!

 ::MonkeyConfused::
   

MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10

Thank you San.

Janet

Thank you very much.  This is the thread I like to look at because of Kona's posts.  A couple details have me wondering and I need to do a little more research.  Man are you quick.  Less than 1/2 hour.  Thanks again.  shortcake

Well, that is interesting, not many guys that age are into babysitting  ::MonkeyEek::

Interesting Wyks  ::MonkeyEek::

Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!

And isn't it strange that we don't know the name of the youth camp yet? It could very well be connected to the church.

The search warrant said Dale was texting SC at least 50 times that day(which was his normal phone activity...all day up until 1:00 AM)but got a call from SC at 9:26 PM,June 26th and Dale told SC he had to go to work now even though his regular days off from the BeeHive was Friday and Saturday nights and he was still on suspension from his youth camp job.
From 9:26 PM till 1:11 AM Dale had no cell phone activity.
At 1:11 AM he recieved a call from SC I think.
Dale has known SC for a few years,SC moved to Michigan then returned back to WA in May of this year.
SC has been communicating with Dale by computer but on June 26th,2009,she decided to give Dale her phone number and Dale sounds like he was stalking her by phone.
Dale is not the only POI I am focusing on.

You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.

Interesting, thanks  ::MonkeyCool:: Dale is not the only POI I'm focusing on either  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, exactly! 

Someone is lying.  IMO. 

Looks like Dale was frequently cruising McCleary until Lindsy went missing.  Then he abruptly stopped.  I don't see a real problem with this action.  He is probably scared.  If he quits or keeps it up he is ends up on the tip list.  Can't win.  I hope DD has a lot to help us understand why she believes he is framed.  I will try to hold my judgement until then, but it is not easy.

It isn't easy  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm waiting to see what DD has to say  ::MonkeyCool::

.... and I wonder what the suspension was all about.

Janet

Yesssss NoRose! 

There's a Black Lake Bible Camp & Conference Center in Olympia. 
(two interesting things there.. a 'lake' and that it's a 'bible camp')
http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/ (http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/)

Still looking for other camps in Olympia.

Wish we could find out the actual name of the youth camp, but dunno how to go about doing that.  I mean, who could we ask?  lol..  Might have to wait til more info from LE comes out in this case. 
 

Three??   ::MonkeyEek::   Hmmmmm...  Wonder why that wasn't mentioned before, back during the convos that they owned 2 properties? 

This just gets curious'er and curious'er. 

I saw the Black Lake one mentioned on WS this morning or yesterday. It is so odd to me that some of this info we don't know, like some friend of Dale's saying something, or someone he worked with, just odd. Nobody coming out and saying, oh no he wouldn't do that, or someone saying he seems the type that would  ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought it just said 2 properties to be search were owned by golders.  I didn't go into their owning other properties because it would be irrevalant to the search, wouldn't it?

That's what the link says but I don't know if that's a fact or not.

Karma, your new avi is very cute, but I didn't recognize you...I thought we had a new person posting!  LOL

Time to say goodnight you all.Have a good one.


Sending my best Angel to look over you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::

That's my pretty Halloweenie avi that CBB made me a few/couple of years back....then she dressed it up.
Although that witch poking me in my back is getting on my last nerve lol
Have a good night you all.

I love your new AVI too Karma, it is exceptional.  xox

There's just SO much to look at, in this case.  Not much in the way of actual factual, or which do we believe that to be?  As others have already said, it's real hard to believe that so many folks, incl professionals clear up to the FBI, would lie and be part of some kind of coverup.  But hey, guess it could happen, if there is something hugely major that no one wants to be outed.  Even so tho, this is a lil town.  That's hard to believe too.  lol  Jeezzz. 

But cell phone records don't lie.  Wish we could get copies of the actual records.  And the pings for those calls. 

I feel like a dunce but I'm still confused.  I don't see a myspace post at 6:59.  I see this one:

Jun 26 2009 9:59 PM

Hi, You~ ;)

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica (http://www.myspace.com/SCalica)

Also, according to the search warrant:

When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18)

So she would have left that post after all their texting.  I don't think they were together that night.  I was just wondering if they met at the BBQ, she gave him his number and then they began texting and talking back and forth throughout the night.  But...who has a BBQ before noon?  Hmm....  So, if it wasn't her, then he was at the BBQ with some other chick and texting her at the same time?

Oh, wait a minute...maybe the 6:59 vs. 9:59 is the time zone difference.  Sigh.  Sorry! 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N '

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Well, if is is it must be listed under another name, such as a trust, coro etc because I searched the tax record site for the entire county and only came up with the two I posted........If someone has the address and can do a reverse search and find out. ::MonkeyTongue::

Oh KARMA! How cute you are!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake

Wow!  I must have read it wrong, thanks for catching that, DayOldDonuts!  I went back into DGs myspace to see it, and it reads 8:59 PM.. But when you go in, it says 9:59??   ::MonkeyConfused::  I am myspace challenged, does the time reflect one's own time zones when viewing it?  This happened in another case too!   

Calica

Jun 26 2009 8:59 PM

Hi, You~ ;)


----

And good points about the BBQ!  Gosh, I'd be po'd if I was at a BBQ, and the dude I was with spent a good majority of the time texting back and forth with someone else.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Our church Bible camp as well as other ministries ... require criminal background checks from the local RCMP EACH YEAR from ALL workers who come into contact with children/teens. The same policy applies in each of our three grown kids churches.

When Dale's background is considered ... his application would not have got passed Step One in the hiring/volunteer process.  Qualified leaders ... those who oversee ... are continually assessing workers under them as to how each relate to children/teen and any concerned are immediately addressed accordingly.

Janet

   ::MonkeyLaugh::  Very cute  ::MonkeyCool::  Have a good evening.

I kept waiting for DD to come in and explain what's going on with her site.  But she hasn't come in for awhile.  Couldn't find anything about Lindsey's case in there earlier today.  Am guessing she moved the whole thread?  Well.... that's helpful.  Not. 

OMG  ::MonkeyEek::

Am just gonna sit back now and watch this case develop.  For me, it's too dang confusing to know where to even begin to research anything.  Wish the rest of you more success.

Thanks, me too. Don't you think it would make more sense to wait for all the evidence to be tested, and then say Dale is no longer a POI if everything came back not pointing to him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

MOO~I've heard so many stmts from various LE depts claiming so and so is not a POI only to see them arrested later down the line ::MonkeyWink::

I am thankful you just said that, I noticed that this morning, and I though that my mind was completely gone, I couldn't find anything on Lindsey's case  ::MonkeyConfused:: She must have moved it.

I don't know what to research in any of the cases, I just read what people post and articles and try to figure it all out from there.  ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe it's been set to private for members only..........who knows anymore ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, and I think they have had their eyes on him for awhile, like someone said earlier maybe this is a strategy that LE is using.

I guess you and I could go over to MB's and get her off the porch and start digging...... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was joking, but I just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck again. Sorry, I didn't want to offend anyone. ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyDevil:: and yes, i know...no offence here.

FYI Monkeys
DD posted in the last thread that she is reseaching and is not ignoring us.  she will be backj ::MonkeySlide::

When the absence of the pornographic magazines from the list of seized items is considered ... could it be that DD did not get permission from KONA to list all the items that were siezed by authorities during the search.  In other words ... in the absence of a released official receipt ... do we have the whole story?  Maybe DD would clarify.

Janet

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doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.  

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Yes, it's just that the thread for Lindsey is not up on her forum, IM suggested that she set it to private, which could be, I just never noticed that before when I went to her forum.

That could be Janet  ::MonkeyConfused::

Could it be that the circumstancial evidence causes suspicion ... justifies a search but ... does not reach a level to be considered a person of interest.

Janet
 
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No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009

MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks

i just saw that.  thehehe look up ::MonkeyJnBox::

NOTHING AT ALL was left out of the evidence list, I would NEVER do that.  That would be deceptive.  There is absolutely NOTHING to hide, it's all bs... REALLY it is.  The police have backtracked and they know. 

it says hes out of utah on the topix board but who knows
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet, it sounds like DG was doing dishes and clean up in the kitchen.  I wonder how through they were in his background check, if any.  It wasn't like he was a counselor and interacting with the kidlets.  Pretty scary.  I wish all camps followed your churches example. 

I have very little time but will post this.

I am reorganizing the board.  It was my private research board and a few others were there working on things with me.  I then had an open area if someone wanted to ask something or discuss it to figure out the answer.  That quickly turned into a trashfest so I made it to where only the members could ask questions and post info there. 

I also had a bunch of people in there cluttering and doing nothing, which it is actually a WORK AREA. So I had to clean that up.  We don't actually discuss much unless it has to do with working on something.  It's not a discussion forum.. So that had to go. 

Then people got mad because they did not agree with me about Kona and they started trashing so had to lock them out. 

So because people were acting horrible in a research work site, I had to lock things up while I reorganize.  I am sorting information, and will put the information out where people can read it.  I will allow people in there only if they register and act right.  The reason I have to do that is because the guests were absolutely HORRIBLE so I had to make some changes. 

I don't mind sharing info or letting people read the information, but I can't have guests coming on there and creating havoc on a research board.  ugh.

so give me time.  we are sorting information and getting all put together.  That takes a lot of time.  I have information in over 1000 emails, lots of information from posts and chats with people, and then all of our research info which WE understand but no one else will if we don't organize it. 

So that is what is going on.  Should be starting to get back up tomorrow or maybe even put some things out tonight but most likely tomorrow. 

in the process some of the settings got set wrong and some of your were deactivated, that will be fixed as well.  just give me time then you can read and use the info.  And you will be able to understand it much better this way.

It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::

he's out of washington.  Don't let this person fool you  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks DD  ::MonkeyCool::

here is a clue... look straight down the first row and read the letters... see what you see. 

i think my head is going to explode. :smt073

DD ... please spit it out.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

first post
O C [C] [D] D [D] M [C] A G Y T G
second
O S B D S S P S C B

  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.myspace.com/495207585
Whoever it is, this is his myspace 

  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm not good at this sort of thing, do you know what it means? ::MonkeyConfused::

  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm so mixed up  ::MonkeyDevil:: Thanks for the myspace link

Looks like he is in Tacoma ::MonkeyDevil2::

Who the he!! is this guy?

YW ::MonkeyBike::

I want to make sure if Dale's father's name is Clifford, before I bring over the info, I don't want to if this is not his father.

dd-im tryin to chat on ur site b/c theres something i wanted to ask/talk to you about but no one is in the chat. do you think u'll be there later?

ugg.  no friggin clue :smt100

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Those who have contact with children/teens ... from the custodian right up to the Pastor ... are held accountable.  Number one ... it is the right thing to do.  Number two ... it is common sense .. the cost of potential litigation could close the church doors.

Janet

Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::

What / where???

Spit it out!

Pleeeease..

Janet

what did you see?

I did, but I have NO CLUE if he's related to Dale..........so hate to bring it over, but is is easy enough to find on google ::MonkeyWink::

OH FRUCK:


 Name Age Previous Cities DOB Phone Address Avg. Income Avg. Home Value Relatives
1  Clifford D Golder

View Details
 48  Mccleary, WA            Kimberlan Golder
Kimberlynn L Golder
Kimerlynnl Golder
Tena M Golder
Donald C Golder
Don M Golder
Dick N Golder
Diane Golder
Wayne A Golder 
Related People Lookups
 







However, this could be a different Cliffford G, but the ages are correct IIRC ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I understand adn I think I know....if it is regarding a molestation charge, I'm sure LE would have been all over that by now.  hmmm....is interesting though.

I'll post the link, but I have no idea, don't want to start something, but it is on WS, and they are running with it.  http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12

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Clifford Golder
 
 
 
Full Name:  Clifford Golder Date of Birth:  10/31/1960
AKAs:  Height:  5'8"
Weight:  165 LBS
Hair Color:  GRAY
Eye Color:  BROWN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
 

ADDRESSES 
     
     

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: 961001506
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 9A44089
Offense Description: CHILD MOLESTATION 3
Conviction Place: GRAYS HARBOR
Date Reported:   
 

 

islandmonkey ... baby steps please.  What am I missing?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

 Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

Janet -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Dont feel bad, i'm still paying "unscramble the letters"   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too  ::MonkeyConfused::

True, and at the risk of making everyone puke, not all children who are molested go on to become molesters, but most molesters have been molested,,,,,,, hope that came out properly. Just extrapolate from their. But I still have no clue if this is DG's dad or what the exact relationship is.  ::MonkeyCool::

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

No, I don't think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: I don't know why it is on the attached thumbnail of that post.

I am not a member and ... cannot go any further.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

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Today, 09:09 PM
elepher50
 
Hmmmmm .....
Attached Images Clifford Golder Child Molestation.jpg (63.6 KB, 1 views)

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12

Clifford Golder has a record for child molestation and under the intellus search he is related to TG as I just posted. Here is the link to the charges:

http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...%3d&input=name

I think you have to be registered to view it. (which I refuse to do...lol)

Leroy ... you are hoot.

::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I'm sorry I didn't realize that, but IM just posted it.

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks, I didn't realize you had to be a member to get what I posted, and I don't know how to do a screen shot.

Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.

Thank you for your patience islandmonkey.

Janet

Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.

It is definetly interesting thats for sure.  And also makes me believe the story about DG and the girl even more.

Was DG's dad living with him?

I don't know if the dad is living at home with the mother and Dale.

Considering the skeletons in their closets ...I cannot comprehend why this family called so much attention onto themselves in regards to the recent search.  If there had been quiet compliance ... the researching of  backgrounds would have been a non issue.  It makes sense that threatening litigation was just asking for what has happened.

The searches that Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel alludes to in the following article went under the media wire.

Janet

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Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt

I'm getting ready to try and find that out, unless DD is here and can help, otherwise $40 in the toilet ::MonkeyWink::

Just have to say..  In light of what has been discovered, this post over yonder cracked me up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyone want to head over to the "other board" and ask the hard questions? Knock Knock...Yes? May I speak to Skye please?

And I'd like to do the same.  It will be interesting, hearing her take on this.  Yeppers. 

A thought comes to mind.  What HAVE we heard in this situ from DGs daddy?  Everything I've read anywhere 'from the family' has come from Kona the momma, and DG himself.  Nuttin from dear ole' dad.  If this info is accurate, then that certainly explains the silence from his corner.  Eh?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Or.... perhaps this is all part of the 'conspiracy' as well.  All lies, all BS? 

Yeah.  Gig's up, IMO.

Just go over to WS and read it, since they think they are so funny and smart, he!! they have all the answers  ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks IM.  Wonder if this has anything to do with the 3 properties we were talking about earlier...i'm gonna go back and read that again.  Perhaps DG's dad did not live with them but at this third property???

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Wasn't he the one threatening to sue?

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/CliffordGolderChildMolestation.jpg)

Well, I'm still trying to figure out the letters and what they mean from the Topix comments  ::MonkeyConfused:: I had to give up I would be here all night.

Thanks Wyks  ::MonkeyDevil::

Dale's parents appear to standing together against what they perceive as the targeting of their son.

Janet

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Family feels targeted in missing McCleary girl's case
10:45 PM PDT on Friday, October 2, 2009
By TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News

McCLEARY, Wash. - A McCleary family claims they're unfairly targeted and harassed by police officers connected to the case of missing Lindsey Baum.

Friday, a tearful mother and an angry father defended their son who was the subject of a search warrant at their rural McCleary home, related to the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Court documents released Friday relate why detectives believed the son could be Baum's kidnapper.

Witnesses told detectives that the man obsessed about Baum's disappearance and expressed his belief that a girl had been "dismembered."

Officers, however, found nothing nothing to back that up.

According to court papers, witnesses also reportedly told officers they saw the man's car near where Baum disappeared on June 26 in McCleary.

A month later, officers pulled over the same man for following the mother of the missing girl around town.

While officers executed these search warrants last week, Melissa Baum continued to hope for a break in the case.

"There's hope. I know she's alive and she'll come home," she said.

According to court documents, the man also gave detectives several different stories about his whereabouts when Baum disappeared.

The man's parents told KING 5 that their son got confused because detectives interviewed him more than a month after Baum vanished. Therefore, he apparently could not remember many specific details that far back.

Court documents show detectives seized property from the man's home last weekend, including computers, paperwork, drug paraphernalia and a sex toy.

Detectives say they now have no suspect or person-of-interest, but they do have a lot of leads and a girl who seemingly vanished without a trace.

The affidavit for the search warrant also says that the man was a former suspect in the attempted rape of a child when he was 14, but he was not given a formal decision in the case.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html

Yes exactly, Darla. 

Hi Darla!!!  There are some posts/posters that I myself choose to just scroll past.

(and no doubledeckers posts are not those but just saying)

Oh NRCG...I just scrolled on by them lol. My old brain is not good with riddles. Geesh if there is a message in those letters, why not just say what it is?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't do riddles, I have no patience   ::MonkeyRoll::

My thought process exactly.  Spit it out.

Janet

Janet - thanks for posting that article...I was about to go back through to see if his dad was mentioned anywhere.

so chances are that he is probably still living with TG/DG.

How can he have this type of charge but not be considered an RSO?

Here are the addy's I found, some are PO boxes, but most interesting is the Sand Creek addy:

  401 West Main
Mccleary, WA 98557   eport 
2  492 Po Box 492
Mccleary, WA 98557  Property Report 
3  1064 Po Box 1064
Mccleary, WA 98557  Property Report 
4  Po Box 1064
Mccleary, WA 98557   Property Report 
5  185 N Sand Creek Rd
Mccleary, WA 98557 

By 'silence' from DGs father, I meant online, where everything that I've read/heard has been from Kona herself.  Sorry, didn't mean in the news interviews and such.  Okies, I'll hush for now. 

I would give it up.  I don't believe in the code talking.  I think we went through this before in the cantu case.  Sorry, don't buy it.

I have been sitting on my hands for several days about this Dale guy. You ever hear the old saying. "Thou doest protest to much"

IM - thank you very much  ::MonkeyKiss:: 

From over yonder:

"he does use aliases... interchanges his first and middle name.. but all court records would be under C.D.G."





 

And can we confirm that Clifford is the husband of Tena Golder and the father of DG??? 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

OK.....remember the 3 properties owned by TG and we could only find 2........well, here is the 3rd and this is what came u when I used the 185 n. sand creek adress for Clifford Golder

Show Map Parcel   180523230050 
 Situs Address   00185 SAND CREEK RD MCCL
  Legal Description   SW NW LY S & E OF CO RDS LS TAX 5 & 6 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner   GOLDER TENA ET AL File Updated   10/2/2009   16:05
Address   149 FOREMAN RD Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 23
   MCCLEARY, WA 98557

YW and look above ::MonkeyKiss::

For what it's worth...Child molester 3 is over 12 & under 16 contact not amounting to rape.  If offender is compliant for 10 years, he no longer has to register.

My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...

Exact parcel location of Sand Creek addy......TG's is the 40 one that it surrounds

Thank you....i did not know that  ::MonkeyEek:: 

My teacher DIL is assisting me in the compilation of what has turned into a somewhat overwhelming document on a particular aspect of the Natalee Holloway case.  Considering this gal has a life outside the computer room and ... is affording me a couple of hours of her precious time ... I will be off.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
7:55 PM PT

Don't know if anyone lives there or not, but it would be a convenient addy for someone with a record ::MonkeyWink:: if you didn't want them linked to yours, as it was hard to link these together ::MonkeyTongue::

I hope not, but probably  ::MonkeyEek:: And a white car, wonder who that belongs to?

RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.



</B>(1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim.

(2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony.
[1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.]

Notes:


Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010.

Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010.

He's also made several posts in other cases, just google his email name polymarkerdqa1@

http://www.google.com/search?q=polymarkerdqa1@&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF_en

I wonder why this property wasn't included for the search warrant.

Courtesy of WS, cuz there is some confusion over here.  lol  Thanks WS!  And may I say good work! 

Marriage Records:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C)

I bet it was, go back and look at the helicopter video and it looks just like this place........

snagged this from over yonder:

C Donald Golder - Tena M Vaughn - Grays Harbor Marriage Records
Record Series:  Marriage Records Collection:  Grays Harbor Marriage Records   ? County:  Grays Harbor
document number: swgrhmc41402groom's name: C Donald Golderbride's name: Tena M Vaughnmarriage date: 5/6/1983 12:00:00 AMcounty : Grays Harbor

So perhaps this is the vacant house that was searched?  I am confused and need to go back and look at all of this again   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Here is the video from the heli:


http://www.kirotv.com/video/21181751/index.html

So Kona inserts herself into this case...she had to know that the story about DG's past and, if this is her hubby, that would come out as well.

did she forget? 
why even go there?

 :smt073

I wonder if DGs father ever drove his car? 

Yep, looks alot like the same house.

Thanks IM...that is the same house you posted a few post back.
Just because the LE is saying he is no longer a poi, does not mean that they can't jerk him back in. What better way to see what happens next than to tell him he is no longer being looked at.

Like I said my head is spinning like Linda Blairs right now as it's beyond crazy :gaah:

Exactly!  And lets not forget that items removed are still being tested. 

Do you guys have this yet?  It is for the father:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C)

I just got caught up from earlier and I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyConfused::

The statement was made that alot of kids had beeen in the house, could the old house have been used as rental property before it fell in such bad disrepair?

I see you are 'on it    ::MonkeyFootball::  See what happens when we're all on the same team!  LOL

I agree and I agree ::MonkeyJnBox::

I would suggest duct tape but not since a certain case.   ::MonkeyLaugh::  TY for pulling all that info!

  Let me change that to 14 years, and under 16 years.  The 12 years just came off the top of someone's head!

Why does it seem like this whole family was obsessed about Lindsey?  I appreciate that Kona wanted to help, I really do, but only if her intentions were true.  At this point, I am just not sure.

or as someone earlier wondered could they have had Foster children?

::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

YW!!!

His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::

Re: red highlighted above - ummmmmm . . . as in, perhaps, "knowingly causing" his son, DG to commit such an act? Heaven help us if this is where we might be going . . .

why can i not see the offence date?

I noticed that too ::MonkeyConfused::

or the date reported?

cuz its not on there   ::MonkeyTease::    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

so where is it?   ::MonkeyTease:: LOL

Who all lived at Kona/TG's house?  Do we know?

Mama -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I dont know...but wish I did.

Don't know for sure, but if DD is here, surely she would know. But, my bet is that he may have lived there and used the Sand Creek addy since the charge, but DD would know for sure as per the marriage records they were married, don't know if there has been a divorce or not.......bu, didn't the parents threathen to sue-so tha's plural and my take would mean they both lived there. But that's based soley o speculation ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Not sure.  I saw one reference (or post from her), not sure which, that said there were "4 adults" there.  Am thinking that 4 was incl the younger son, who hadn't gone into the military at that time, tho he did over the summer. 

why is it filed under traffic/other and not sex related?

I wondered that too but checked on some others who had the child molestation 3 charges and they were also filed under traffic/other.

me too ::MonkeyConfused::

i wonder why?  thats wierd. ::MonkeyConfused::

this is my head  :smt101 :smt100 :shock: :smt073
im gonna read a bit and go to bed. ::MonkeyConfused::

Surely someone can get in touch with DD to clarify all this, if we are way off base about Clifford aka Donald being marrried to Tena and having his address on her property. Anyone know how to get in touch with DD as she would know better than anyone ????

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.

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 ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes it is when you consider that it didn;t show up under personal property searches when I searched her name, it wasn't until I ran the background check on Clifford that the Sand Creek addy showed up and when I pulled that parcel she was listed as the owner and then I posted th pic's and parcels showing the proximity.....will do again for anyone catching up

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 12:54 pm PDT September 25, 2009

A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

I wondered about the traffic that is was filed under. It was not a rape although it was a felony. Inappropriate touching ?
.. If that is the husband and not a brother of the husband why would Kona be so active in this on the boards ? Did she want / try to put the suspicion on to MB ? The acting funny, etc ? I am wondering if there was some deliberate attempt at misdirection here ? Or not ? Regardless if there was any attempt to mislead any info that came from Kona after her son was questioned has to be tossed. By me anyway. IMO

Tena Golder
149 Foreman Rd

James M Vaughn
149 Foreman Rd

(was Vaughn not the maiden name on the marriage cert?)

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qa=149+foreman+road&qc=mccleary&qfilter[pro]=on&qhn=149&qi=0&qk=10&qs=WA&qst=FOREMAN+RD

IIRC yes!

Me too, when I found out who Kona was and checked the date she started posting it was a huge red flag for me, then I read every post from her and it did seem that she was pointing fingers (in a delicate way ) at MB, for example about how she didn't request TES come seach, that she wasn't putting flyers up at the garage sales, but instead was shopping at them and then the stmt from Kona that she went to MB's sale but since only a girl was here she felt uncomfortable. BUT, the one thing she did state that ITA with, is that anyone under LE suspicion should be given a LDT............not holding my breath though ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

It sure looked like misdirection to me.

Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.

Just curious, but I read back quite a bit and saw so many posters asking whose house (the one we now know is listed as Cliffford's addy) was being searched, did DD or Kona ever say yes I know??? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

thank you Mission  ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Thank you islandmonkey.

I do not have a clue whether any of these people were involved in what happened to Lindsey Baum but ... our research has convinced me more than ever that ... in the process of elimination ... the search warrant served on the owner of these buildings and properties was justified.

I think DD was taken advantage of by KONA.  She knew the skeletons in her closet that justified suspicion.  DD may disagree.

It is emotionally draining when you bond with others who you truly believe are on on the same page ... same page in a worthy cause and ... find out that you had perceived the relationship all wrong.  However ... it is important not to despair and ... to remain focused on your destination ... even if the journey is lonely at times. 

Janet

Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S14&casenumber=06-9-00350-2&searchtype=sName&token=0AEDC2D0CE08C8EC2AF8F8DCFD1DE679&dt=0B1DCB7B2CD0CD9CEC44D99FC3E8E27D

::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally we have the offense date 3/1996 ::MonkeyGavel::

I am inclined to agree Janet considering what we have learned recently and all the questions asked about the search of the old white house.

Lovely - thank you.  so even if he was a RSO he would no longer be required to register if he was compliant.

Your Welcome  ::MonkeyWink::

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

TY Mission  ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyCheer2::

And yet some of Kona's info may be quite valid and her intent honorable, but there is always that big but. I can't really make a judgement call here as I don't know her or her family. I am just trying to deal with some facts about who was questioned and why. I have seen where LE has messed up very badly and I think I am going to just keep an open mind until there is any further factual info.

Welcome Northern Rose - This case is a real mind twist - I pray that answers will come soon and Lindsey will be found  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi All,
It took me forever to catch up from this morning! Just when you think this case cannot get any stranger.......

STRONGTOWER Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
OPERATION STRONGTOWER HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS NOW GIVEN STRONGTOWER, CCS’S SQUAD LEADER, FULL AUTHORITY OVER THE LINDSEY BAUM, NANCY MOYER, NICOLE PIETZ, & MISTEY COPSEY CASES! CCS HAS MOVED ON TO JUAREZ TO NEUTRALIZE A STRING OF SERIAL MURDERS: STRONGTOWER ALSO HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL JURISDICTION ON AMERICAN SOIL, & ALL 50 STATES ARE NOW HIS RESPONSIBILITY! By the way, was WW/Wayne Scott Watne the one who Parted Josh & Lindsey Baum like the Red Sea? Strongtower’s gonna find out! Thats why CCS pay’s him!! WW, your beyond being ‘Profiled, your Strongtower’s #1 Suspect!! Mark Duncan, your #2. What’s this about some Cat who works at the Bee-hive Resturant? Something about a Low-rider, White, that has a hard time going over Speed Bumps!! #3!!! By the way, just how Thourgh is Strongtower when Flushing out “Persons of Interest? He is soooooooooooooo dang Thourgh!!!!! Strongtower’s about ready to have a ‘Mood Swing, & start Kicking in some Doors. #1, #2, #3, feel like having your Door Kicked in? Well do ya????????????????????????? GOD BLESS

This is probably completely inappropriate but this persons post make me  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Mind twist is understatement.  Only thing I am sure of is that Lindsey needs to be found and soon!

I read that post three times  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyRoll::

Likely already posted:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63486167.html

Police: Lindsey Baum's disappearance still a mystery
by Matt Markovich

Originally printed at http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63486167.html

MCCLEARY, Wash. - Nine days after executing search warrants at the home of a "person of interest" in the Lindsey Baum disappearance, police now say that person is no longer a target in the case.

The 23-year-old McCleary man initially caught the attention of investigators after he gave conflicting alibis about his whereabouts on June 26, the night Lindsey vanished while walking home from a friend's house.

But after conducting a thorough search of properties owned by his family, detectives say they found nothing that "immediately" implicates him in the case.

The development was a letdown for many who thought the search warrants were a very visible sign of hope that progress was being made in the case of the missing 11-year-old girl.

But without finding any evidence of foul play, authorities said they have no persons of interest and no suspects.

More than three months have elapsed since Lindsey vanished - seemingly into thin air. Scores of volunteers have searched the area surrounding McCleary, a small mill town where everyone knows their neighbors.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott says some material was gathered during last weekend's searches at the McCleary family's properties, but none of it appeared to be incriminating.

"Should results of forensic examination come back positive for this investigation, he would become again someone of interest - but at this point we have no specific person or persons we are looking at," Scott says.

On Friday, about 60 volunteers began a two-day search for any clues in the McCleary area - one of many volunteer searches since Lindsey disappeared.

The searchers found clothes and bones - but it had no relationship to the case.

"The bones were determined to be animal, and the clothing was determined to have been there well beyond the three months that Lindsey has disappeared," Scott says.

The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office says investigators will continue to chase every lead they get.

Meanwhile, the girl's mother, Melissa Baum, says she remains hopeful that Lindsey will be found alive.

Hi Northern Rose,
I have not laughed that hard in ages. I guess he thinks he is Clint Eastwood. My kids had to pause their television program until I quit laughing. Everything about this case reminds me of Twin Peaks. Poor Lindsey

By the way, thank you KLASSEND for that link! It was entertaining to say the least.

I was laughing so hard my dog came up to me and put his nose right in my face to see if I was having a medical episode and he needed to save me.

You're welcome.  The guy has been posting at least since March 2009 in various cases.  Now, either is he a serial murderer involved in all of these cases OR he's a kook.  I vote for kook.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thank goodness he didn't need to save you......I was waiting for the theme song from Batman to begin when I read that one.

hello chatty kathy's! My goodness took me over an hour to catch up! The message dd spoke of I see

CDDC as in "see DD see"? I don't know that is just what I got from it. Those letters were in brackets so they stand out to me.

Interesting about the dad. I thought he had a step dad though, no? Wasn't that said somewhere about his changing his name to his step dads and it was wondered if the the name was Walters? I don't know though.

lol I have no words, none.

May be a coincidence:

http://www.myspace.com/strongtowerym

Well, I realize I'm going to embarrass myself with my own stupidity again....but....I thought DG's parent's were divorced because of this:

20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

And I thought his mom's last name was Walters.  So is Tena Golders = Konamocha?  I think I thought Tamra White was DG's mom, which makes no sense...must have been the last names starting with W and DG's girlfriend calling her "mama."  Sigh. 

Thank you I thought I read that somewhere. So is there an alice walters associated with Dale Walters?

HMMMMM Not sure at all.

Nite Monkeys....my brain is fried as is my bank account after trying to find all that info today...........Justice for Lindsey is all we want, let the chips fall where they may ::MonkeyAngel::


PS~Klaas , I posted his myspce page a couple of pages back and it's a doozie.......

http://www.myspace.com/495207585

and his photobucket

http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab74/OPERATIONFLUSHOUT/

All I can say is...  WTH???   ::MonkeyEek::

looks like this person has done this with several cases.  focusing on lindsey's case right now.  sigh.

just google ---->  polymarkerdqa1  <------  to see more involvement in different cases.  this isn't anything new for him/them. 

here's more from him/them re lindsey:  (i have the id'ing info but xxxxx'd em out)

----------------------------

In the comments section at this link are the three posts that follow:
http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/ (http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/)

BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT
Posted August 24, 2009 at 5:00 am

ATTENTION GRAYS HARBOR/McCLEARY RESIDENTS: DISCUSSION FOR THE DAY: DID YOU KNOW THAT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE NOT ONLY LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MELISSA BAUM, BUT RATHER REMAINED UNKNOWN WHEN DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES CALLED HIS MISSIONARY CHURCH, ALSO LOCATED (1) BLOCK AWAY FROM HIS RESIDENCE? Did you also know that Lindsay Baum attended his ‘Phantom Church? WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, Your being Profiled in Connection with the Abduction of Lindsey Baum. TAKE NOTICE; DNA is now contracted to BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT. BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. When BPU, with over (15) years of ‘Serial Killer Tracking Experience, is Forced to Invoke their “Due Process right under the Fourteenth Amendment to make a Citizen’s Arrest, if it takes BPU 4 Seconds to Detain you, they took 3 Seconds to long, Thanks to the Training of the U.S. Military. DNA can be contacted at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com

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CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 15, 2009 at 12:22 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: OPERATION FLUSHOUT LINDSEY BAUM’S ABDUCTOR HAS NOW COMMENCED. BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT HAS DISPATCHEDTHEIR CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD TO MCCLEARY WITH A SPECIAL INTEREST IN WAYNE SCOTT WATNE. Did you know that the new Private Search of LINDSEY BAUM’S Scent took the Search to N.E. BECK RD? Considering that a South Wind was Present, & if you put a Straitedge on that Sight, Quess what? It Intersects with WAYNE SCOTT WATNES Home & Church! CCS has Contacted the LE in McCleary to get a ‘Probable Cause Search Warrent to-gether on WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, & Commence “OPERATION FLUSHOUT.” Contact CCS at xxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com
www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fife, WA [OPERATION FLUSHOUT ON WAYNE SCOTT WATNE HAS NOW COMMENCED BY CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD]: Just how Cold is this Case Squad? When CCS is Forced to Detain a ‘Preditor, they are soooooo Cold.

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CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 16, 2009 at 5:08 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: Thought for today, Innocent Persons could care less if they had to take a Polygraph Test! In 1982, Gary Leon Ridgway was Arrestion for the Solicitation of Prostitution. Soon thereafter, he was Administered a Polygraph & Passed. The Polygraph Administrator Failed to ask Ridgway about his Involvement with 1 Murder Victim & 1 Attempted Murder Victim. Because the Polygraph Administrator Retained his Poly License from a Cracker Jax Box, Countless Women went on & Subsequently Died. I Believe that in 1984, 1 year before CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Operating then as Investigations-R-Us., began Tracking Ridgway, he too Refused to Poly. Case in Point; Ridgway was a Killing Machine: CCS Recently Contacted Ridgway at the St. Penn., & Informed him that the Reeson he Prayed on Troubled Girls & Prostitutes, is Because he was never Enough of a Man to Pick on Someone his own Size. Had Ridgway ever Picked on the Owner of CCS when Actively Tracking him, if it took CCS’S Owner 4 Seconds to Introduce Ridgway to Mr. Dirt, the Owner took 3 Seconds to long. WAYNE SCOTT WATNE Did Refuse to Poly, & Quess what? WATNE Red Flagged CCS’S new Cyber-Computor Again. Another “HIT” was Generated on WATNE!! [OPERATION FLUSHOUT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE] is now Commencing, & If you have any Vacation time built up WATNE, now would be a good time to take a Couple of Weeks off. When CCS Officialy hits McCleary & Beck Road, “WATCH OUT.” Do you feel like getting out of Dodge for (2) weeks Watne? Well Do you???????

--------------------------------

Hi Wyks,
Oh geez, well you know where I am off to don't you?............................www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com  OF COURSE! LOL

Thanks IM, I didn't have time to look back.  I vote KOOK.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Do you have the link to the 2nd alice walters myspace?

Hi,
I will go see if I can find it again.

http://www.myspace.com/d343434 Here it is. They are going by "Grace" now, but I found it under Alice Walters.

Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.

The name Alice aka Alice Walters or Grace are seen in my space a few times. It is a bit freaky. All seem to not have pics up, none say the town they are in, just the U.S.

Here is the one with lindsey MS. http://www.myspace.com/480197876

There is one who is Alice Walters 18 from the US, no pics and she has 4 girls as friends all out of the Penn area. Here is the link  http://www.myspace.com/496569693

This is one with a TM on the pic and name??? http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67

Here is one that has no pic, same age http://www.myspace.com/458423135

Strange isn't it? This has to be a part of this case..

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I tell ya, Sebastian, am almost afraid to look!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

lol I clicked oh my! thank goodness my husband didn't wake up, he is asleep on the couch!

Very hardcore porn

Very strange, TG!!  I don't even know what to think!   ::MonkeyEek::

And TG takes one for the team!!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::

It is weird, wonder if we can make sure none of the girls are missing from that penn area myspace.

This case was wayyyy more than confusing before.  And then with all that has been found just recently!!  Dang.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Oh gosh!  Well.... We can try.  Google is our friend.   ::MonkeyWink::

I don't know if it is confusing wykes. I think we are confusing ourselves with too much information and too much imagination, pointing at myself!!!. Maybe if we all stay with what we know are facts we can develop something, however, I think there are things which we have not been told or details that have not been released.

What are the facts as we know them?

Lindsey left Kara's
she was last seen at about 9:30 at the corner of Maple and 6th (6th right?)
Other people were out that night who probably helped in pinpointing this as being the last place she was seen.

what else are the facts?

Just want to post this before closing these windows. 

Pretty tame, considering the posts in the last few pages.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

It just shows how Mr. Golder does change his names around.   And age, it seems.

-----------------

from peoplefinders.com

GOLDER, CLIFFORD  DONALD
Age: 45

Associated names:
GOLDER, DALE
GOLDER, DON
GOLDER, DONALD C
GOLDER, TENAMARIE

    * GOLDER, CLIFFORD  D  (Age 48)
    * GOLDER, TENA

-----------------------------

from veromi.net

GOLDER, CLIFFORD D (Age 48)

Associated names:
GOLDER, DONALD C
   MCCLEARY, WA    

Possible Relatives:
GOLDERMILLS, WAYNE A (Age 48)
GOLDER, CLIFFORD DONALD (Age 45)
GOLDER, DICK N
GOLDER, DIANA J (Age 68)
GOLDER, WAYNE A (Age 44)
GOLDER, RICHARD N (Age 74)


.............  and .................


GOLDER, CLIFFORD DONALD (Age 45)

Associated names:

 GOLDER, DALE
 GOLDER, DON
 GOLDER, DONALD C
 GOLDER, TENA MARIE
   MCCLEARY, WA    

Possible Relatives:
GOLDER, CLIFFORD D (Age 48)
GOLDER, TENA

So Tena I guess from that one statement about Dale Walters changing his name, that Clifford is not his bio dad? Can you find anything on a Tena Walters?

Right.. Maple and 6th.

As far as the rest of the "facts", it's really hard to know which is true, rumor, lies, etc.   I was digging thru my notes earlier, and got sidetracked with something else.  Not hard to do in this case.  Sigh.

Just curious, what charge is FAILURE TO REDEEM BANK CHECK? What does this mean?

None that I can find on peoplefinders or veromi, at least from WA.  Do we have any other states she may have lived, or have family? 

No Kidding! Go TG!  ::MonkeyCheer4:: You are much braver than I!

lol I had one eye closed and very red cheeks! Again, thank god my husband didn't open his eyes at that moment, lol. He would have feel off the sofa

I may be wrong, am thinking it's when there is a bounced check, and the person has to give the bank the amount to cover that check, plus bounce fees.  Just another way of saying it, maybe? 

redeem = clear by payment

Not sure if this has already been pointed out, or not. 

(sorry no link given for the info. or how/where they got it.  yet anyway.)


From WS:

1 Golder, Don Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 96-2-0439 05-16-1996

2 Golder, Donald C Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y2-2-0432 07-26-2002

3 Golder, Donald CJudgment Debtor G H Co Superior 03-9-00500-4 03-17-2003

4 Golder, Donald C Defendant G H Co Superior 03-2-00449-5 03-17-2003

1 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Clifford Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Clifford Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

5 Golder, Clifford D Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001

6 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 04-2-00171-1 02-06-2004

7 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 96-9-01639-1 09-23-1996

8 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 04-9-00198-8 02-06-2004

9 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 96-1-00150-6 03-29-1996

1 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 05-9-01671-1 09-28-2005

5 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

6 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 99-2-01283-2 11-04-1999

7 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #1 Y0-1-0663 06-15-2000

8 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y8-2-2252 10-29-2008

9 Golder, Tena Marie Defendant Shelton Municipal Ct 44621C 09-09-2003

10 Golder, Tena Marie Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001

Thank you wykes, I couldn't figure it out.

Seems that a lot of those are 'debtor judgements'. 

Not paying their bills, or not on time? 

yea, that is what I think too wykes

oh my another day gone without finding this poor child. I need to get to bed, morning times comes fast.

Good night fellow monkeys, may tomorrow bring news that leds the way to finding her.

from WS:


there is no offense date

CLIFFORD GOLDER
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 10/31/1960
AGE: 48 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165
HEIGHT: 68
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Brown

CASE NUMBER: 754108 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE:
COUNTS: DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: OFFENSE DATE:
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS:
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
FINES:

-----------------------------

Soooooooo... the offense occured in Nevada, but was handled in a Washington court? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Ok, I hate to throw something else into the mix, but here goes. Our buddy, Strongtower, said in one of his posts that his name is Ronald Baskett. He also said he was from Fife, WA.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist'

At least one of these is a child mol charge. I am going to go back and read the others. IF it is the same person that posts on these cases, he has also sued the jails for not letting him have his medications, his court appointed therapists for making him look at porn and not be a christian therapist, etc. etc. etc.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 

Sorry, you have to go to this link first and type in Ronald L Baskett http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...

http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

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DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


Great find, Sebastian!!!!

Also at that link above:

Volunteers:
Thank God for our faithful setup crew,
Rob Rice, Matt Boyce, Kona Calica,
James Gallegos & John Welch.

 ::MonkeyEek:: That is WEIRD!

If this guy is a SO, which it sure seems is the case, why is he so darn interested in Lindsey's case? He is even twittering http://twitter.com/TOUCHDNA

Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!

Sure would like to hear more about this shortcake

Maybe they cannot register him until they conclude his case? He keeps filing lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. Instead fo 60 months, they gave him 90 DAYS and he had to enroll and complete SO rehab! So rehab! I did not know that that even existed! He never completed "REHAB" and it looks like he has been filing lawsuits and appeals ever since? It also looks like he is NOT incarcerated unless he is sending all of this Lindsey stuff via prison.

And the link to that church's website:

http://www.turningpointolympia.com/ (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/)

Am looking for any other mention of Kona and Grace Calica.  And looking to see if they have or affiliate with a 'youth camp'. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

Well, Kona stated the vacant house had over 20 childrens clothes left there there over last 15 years.  Strange situation.  The "nursry workers" sounds like code for young working kids.  Jade has a a subject called "Human Trafficking".  Not really out of the question.  Put that with the "rumor" I heard of what Lindsy wanted to be.  Heavy on the rumor. Just makes mind go WHAT?  Then again it is late and I am tired.

I just snipped a bit from that link above. 

In April 2003, Petitioner was convicted on his guilty plea of first degree child molestation.

Hmmmmm... I was just reading earlier about 1st degree child mol not having to register as a SO.  And if that's true, might be partly why he keeps flying under the radar?   ::MonkeyMad::

Ya know Shortcake....... With all the crapola we've learned just recently, combined with rumors, the lies, the feeling from many that 'big stuff' may be uncovered in this area..... what if this is just the beginning of that lid coming off????? 

Why indeed??  Oh gosh!  even a twitter account?   ::MonkeyConfused::

what you said in another post.. do you think it's possible for him to do all this, if he's in prison? 

but he sure has a bizarre interest in lindsey's case, not to mention all the others as well.  i sure hope that LE is aware of this guy and keeping a close eye on him, wherever he is!!!! 

I found a site for washington state prisoners and I think he is out free roaming our society  ::MonkeyMad:: I did not find where he is incarcerated.

Did you read the part of the church where they help "Sexual Addiction"!

Well, it sure would be good news(Lindsey is alive).  Explain some of MB's actions and feeling she is alive and right under her nose.  Maybe even some  posts I have seen here.  Then I get carried away and someone has to bring me back to earth.  Probably hopeful thinking.  shortcake

I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

I had thought that DG was the Golder's bio son, that maybe life experiences caused him to change his last name to Walters for whatever reason, and then back again.  ?? 

But at this point, I dunno what to think anymore.  That woman who was leaving msgs on the myspace says there was no name change, and etc.  But there was some discussion about this earlier that I'm trying to find again. 

Maybe he's a foster child, or adopted by the Golder's?  I just don't know. 

Will look at this tomorrow in more depth... my eyes are closing despite my brain spinning!! 

 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Darn, I was hoping he was locked up somewhere and LE could charge in there and yank his computer away.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

And NO!!!!  I hadn't gotten to that part of the church ministry yet!   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Thing is, what I've seen so far of that church, seems to be upfront and legit.  If they are, it will be an awful mess if it's found that some have been using them for nefarious reasons. 
 

Sorry for not shortening the quote stack, just want to keep these together. 

Shortcake, it's hopeful thinking on my part too.  We can always hold out hope.  The fact that there seems to be NO SIGNS of Lindsey, either way, tells us she 'could' still be alive, somewhere.  And yes, that would be good news if she's alive and can be rescued from wherever, whatever.  Could be why there seems to be a hold up with the investigation?  LE may be planning a careful strategy. 

 

Ok, I gotta call it a night.  See you all in the morning, or afternoon...  lol   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/sleep.gif)

Wyks  do you know if Steph Cilica, DG's gf lives in E. Wash?  Arrive in McCleary about 9:30 when the communication quit.  Some gf claims to have been with DG at a BBQ held in the afternoon, but the police report says they believe she was somewhere else.  Am I streaching for answers?  shortcake

Shortcake, in case you don't know, I think one of the rules at Scared Monkeys is ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER.  I don't see how that is going to help you find Lindsey. IMO


Wow, just got back and caught up here... unbelievable!

Madre  Sorry if my statement about DD offended you or her. It was made in reference to as of late she seems hell bent to defend Tena.  From early on she stated she would do everything she could to defend Tena?  Now we find out Tena may be married to an SO and her son's actions are suspect.  It will be interesting to see how she explains recent revelations away.  To me it seems like spin.  Maybe not hers, but spin.  Why does she feel compled to defend Tena and pass along Tena's excuses for her dilemma anyhow?  Can't Tena still post?  Thanks and I to be more careful in the future.  shortcake 

Tamikosmom(Janet)  what I find suspicious about Harry Oakes email is:

Kona sends email to HO 9/7 5:28 PM
HO returns email      at  9/7 8:37 PM
Kona sends email to HO  9/7 9:15 PM
HO returns email      at  9/8 1:19 AM(after midnight)

You receive email from from Harry 9/8 12:42 PM about search results.

 So Harry sent three emails(one even after 1:00 AM) in less than 24 hours and nothing since?  Makes me wonder if emails sent out were really coming from him?  Maybe someone else sent you that email?  Just wondering.  shortcake

I have not read or heard of Kona/HO email exchange.  Can you bring those forward for our review and discussion?   The only one I was aware of was the exchange with Janet and HO.

thanks...

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.

WTH is going on  ::MonkeyEek::  I went to sleep last night, and now I'm more confused then ever  ::MonkeyConfused::

Wow, thanks for all the info  ::MonkeyNoNo::

   ::MonkeyEek:: Maybe

Wow is right.  Was it determined he lived in Fife?  (right outside Tacoma)

Thanks islandmonkey.

Good Morning All.

Janet
7:35 AM PT

There has been some confusion as to which case was the molestation chargem but when I did a background search, the above case number was the referenced one and it correlates to the 3/29/1996 date:


IDENTIFICATION
Clifford D Golder
WHITE M
SOURCE: Washington
DOB: Oct 31, 1960
PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165 LBS
HEIGHT: 56 IN
EYE COLOR: BROWN
HAIR COLOR: GRAY
 
OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COUNTY CONVICTED: GRAYS HARBOR STATE CODE: WA
OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
 

YW Janet and good morning monkeys ::MonkeyCheer2::

Here's the question of the day  ::MonkeyEek:: Kona/Tena sure as heck knows about her husband and the charges, and she sure as heck remembers her son Dale and the incident with the 12 year old, at least I think she does. So, why would you get yourself mixed up in a case of a young girl's disappearance? Surely she must have realized people were going to do some digging into her family  ::MonkeyConfused::

I sure hope DD comes on and clears some of this up today  ::MonkeyCool::

I agree and had it been disclosed in the beginning it wouldn't look so suspect, but when I see the post from DD stating that he had absolutely nothing to do with this and goes on and on about how he is wrking 2 jobs and is a good kid (which he might be, but his myspace page and other info make me curious), I question that unless she knows this person and not just via the net, but knows his family and the dynamics there within, how can someone make such an absolute judgement call from a relationship that was via the net.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Considering the case numbers differ ... it can be assumed that this guy has a history in regards to the violation of children.

Janet

+++++++

And that's all very disturbing  ::MonkeyEek::

AZsunny  I don't know how to bring it forward.  Maybe someone else can.  It is Kona's post on Lindsey Baum #4, post #415, on 9/8 where she reveals her emails with Harry Oakes.  Sorry, this the best I can do.  shortcake

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night ::MonkeyConfused::

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.


dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.



thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »

Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

Part 1:

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry
 

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To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
Part 4:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry

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