Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[San]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad?
- Tobago?
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines?
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

I have to wonder why he would have all those types of currencies on him.  Has he stole money from others?  What happened to the other people he may have stolen from?  Especial those I added question marks to?

One comment Tom Shamshak-Former Police Chief said was:

That's an interesting development.  Has he been to these countries in the past or was he planning to travel to these other destinations.  Engage in poker matches or look for other victims.  This may be a serial killer we have on our hands.

[Tylergal]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad
- Tobago
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

So in the interview..that was 9 parts translated for us on UTube..her Dad says that she had a WII in her car, among other newer tech things..that were not recovered.  Her Dad said that she kept her winnings ..the $10,000 from the previous days, in her glove box, according to what her friends told him.  He said she liked to have the lastest high tech things..and they are all missing from her car. 

This leads me to believe that he either sold them, gave them to the taxi drivers..who in turn sold them.. or someone stole them from the SUV.  He even mentioned these in an interview saying he would like to have them back..and he would not prosecutte.  I think he is under the impression that either Joran sold them or gave them to the taxi drivers  to get him out of the country.

If the taxi drivers knowingly received stolen merchandise to give him assistance in escape, then their arses are in a big sling.

[Magnolia]

Magnolia,
That looks like the Official press release?  I think it is.

It is.

[Dana]

LOL!

Dana just called ALE Reno 911!  That's a pretty good description.

ALE could learn a thing or two from the boys and girls from Reno 

[carpe noctem]

Always remember to be found guilty of whatever he is charged with, it only requires a preponderance of evidence, like 51%, not even beyond reasonable doubt.  And only two of the three judges have to find him guilty.

I don't know what we are always so worried about except that he was allowed to walk before and we don't want that to ever happen again.

No worries here, Anna. I know he is a dead man.

You`re right, people have a knee-jerk reaction because he has walked so many times.

Not this time. Nobody in the world will save him this time. The more he disrespects Peru`s legal system - the faster he will wake up with his neck cut ear to ear.

Bring it on, Maton... I want you die. I want him to feel the pain he`s caused for so many people.

[seemeatthebeach]

Amongst the items that have been turned in as evidence which Joran had in is possession is:

- A book on Al Capone
- A Camera
- A photo album
And Currency from the following nations:
- Trinidad
- Tobago
- Venezuela
- Indonesia
- Philippines
- Chile
- Macow
- Euros
- Hong Kong
- Malaysia
- United States
- France

So in the interview..that was 9 parts translated for us on UTube..her Dad says that she had a WII in her car, among other newer tech things..that were not recovered.  Her Dad said that she kept her winnings ..the $10,000 from the previous days, in her glove box, according to what her friends told him.  He said she liked to have the lastest high tech things..and they are all missing from her car. 

This leads me to believe that he either sold them, gave them to the taxi drivers..who in turn sold them.. or someone stole them from the SUV.  He even mentioned these in an interview saying he would like to have them back..and he would not prosecute.  I think he is under the impression that either Joran sold them or gave them to the taxi drivers  to get him out of the country.

I'm glad you also picked up Mr. Flores saying the $10,000 Stephany won a couple days before she was murdered was supposedly in her car. That might be the trigger for Joran's violent beating to Stephany.....Joran might have assumed she had that money on her person, and when she didn't, he flipped out. He could have tried to get her car keys from her and hit her when she refused to give them to him. There are so many possible scenarios. I think Mr. Flores or Stephany's brother said her winnings of $10,000 were not deposited into her account. (I believe because she didn't want her dad to know she was gambling)

Could Joran have exchanged the $10,000 for the many different countries currency, not knowing where he might end up after fleeing Peru?

[klaasend]

Dana is speaking with Rita Cosby now, we haven't had her on the show for a long time.  I have always liked her.

[the big hammer]

Currency

Not surprised.

Nor unusual, imo.

3rd world travel bartering and trading and "cash" requested, could be anything.  It's all cash with a calcuable current value.  That's why in Eastern Europe and into Ukraine, Russia, etc they ask for "hard currency" -- US Greenbacks or Euro's.  At one time Deutschmarks.  Period. 

I was in Russia when Marlboro cigarettes were a more reliable -- and readily accepted -- currency than rubles. 

In many parts of this great big world, it simply ain't Kansas.

.

[SuzieQ]

Texasmom or Klaas, is there a hurricane headed toward Aruba?  24 Ora has a map of something coming there way.



Un ola tropical situa riba parti centra di area di Caribe ta sigui  move den direccion west. Un di dos ola tropical situa riba parti oost di Caribe ta move den direccion west y ta anticipa cu e lo alcanza nos region den e sigiente 24ora. Click lesa mas pa mas detaye.

[klaasend]

Texasmom or Klaas, is there a hurricane headed toward Aruba?  24 Ora has a map of something coming there way.



Un ola tropical situa riba parti centra di area di Caribe ta sigui  move den direccion west. Un di dos ola tropical situa riba parti oost di Caribe ta move den direccion west y ta anticipa cu e lo alcanza nos region den e sigiente 24ora. Click lesa mas pa mas detaye.

Tropical depression I think.  I'll check.

[texasmom]

Texasmom or Klaas, is there a hurricane headed toward Aruba?  24 Ora has a map of something coming there way.



Un ola tropical situa riba parti centra di area di Caribe ta sigui  move den direccion west. Un di dos ola tropical situa riba parti oost di Caribe ta move den direccion west y ta anticipa cu e lo alcanza nos region den e sigiente 24ora. Click lesa mas pa mas detaye.

I saw some thunderstorm alerts earlier, along with more wind than usual and heavy rain.

[Ono]

Dana:  This is a really good show!     Enjoying hearing Rita's description of her dad's heroism...

[klaasend]

Dana:  This is a really good show!     Enjoying hearing Rita's description of her dad's heroism...

It is, it's a great show!

[carpe noctem]

Wow - Now there is a confident leader for Aruba!

[texasmom]

June 21, 2010

Official report from events of Judge Morales with defendant, Joran van der Sloot
   
Van der Sloot refused to give a preliminary statement
Defendant requests that, previously, habeas corpus is resolved

•Decision does not effect the criminal proceedings will continue with other scheduled proceedings

•The statement is a means of proof which will be evaluated by the judge to determine the responsibility of the accused or not.
Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot refused this morning to make a preliminary statement before the magistrate of the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima, Dr. Carlos Morales Cordova, who processes it as an alleged perpetrator of the crime of simple murder and theft to the detriment of Stephany Flores Ramírez.

The Dutchman claimed that citizens will not declare it is pending the writ of habeas corpus filed in order to be declared invalid statements surrendered to the police because, he says, he breached their rights of defense.

 As director of instruction and with the favorable opinion of the Deputy Prosecutor Jesus Ascencio Solis, Dr. Córdova Morales suspended the diligence to which this is carried out at the time, according to the development of the judicial investigation and decision of the accused to testify .

THE PROCESS CONTINUES

 The judge explained that the preliminary hearing in the combination of evidence to gather during the judicial investigation in due course, will be evaluated to determine the innocence or degree of responsibility of the accused.

 Meanwhile, others reported that the notes provided by his trial continue according to schedule to meet the target of the investigation stage: establishment of the facts and accountability.

To this end, the instructive to the other defendants, brothers John Oswald and John Williams Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet, will be held on 23, 24 and 25 June respectively. En todos los casos, a las 14:30 horas. In all cases, at 14:30.

The above defendants are processed with a subpoena restricted by failure to report crime. They are accused of having facilitated the transportation of Van der Sloot Nazca to Tacna despite allegedly knew about the crime that he would have incurred.

 Dr. Córdova Morales also ordered the implementation of psychological and psychiatric expertise to the principal defendant, and the necropsy ratificaciónde and all expert reports made in the preliminary stage (fingerprint, forensic psychology, criminal roadworthiness, toxicological, etc.), the specialists to explain the reasons for their opinions.

 It was reported that the reconstruction of the events will be scheduled in due course, depending on progress of the criminal proceedings.

. Dr. Morales Cordova finally called on the press to report responsibly and truthfully, in order not to affect the development process.

 Lima, June 21, 2010
 OFFICE OF MEDIA AND IMAGE ISNTITUCIONAL

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Thanks Magnolia!

[klaasend]

Wow - Now there is a confident leader for Aruba!

I have made some simple observations the last 5 years.

1.  Aruba is a dry and hot island
2.  If there's no wind, you sweat like a Sloot pig
3.  A bit too much partying for many of these middle age people
4.  Many islanders overweight and out of shape.  Likely due to eating and partying too much.
5.  All of the above contribute to excess perspiration

[canoworms]

Hey Monekys!
Busy news day!
Current Tropical Weather Outlook (NHC/TPC):    
en Español
Accompanying satellite image (pop-up, source: NHC)

NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT MON JUN 21 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A VIGOROUS TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED FROM EASTERN HISPANIOLA SOUTHWARD
OVER THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN SEA IS PRODUCING WIDESPREAD CLOUDINESS
AND SHOWERS ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA...
HISPANIOLA...PUERTO RICO...AND NORTHERN VENEZUELA. THIS DISTURBANCE
CONTINUES TO SHOW SIGNS OF INCREASED ORGANIZATION...AND UPPER-LEVEL
WINDS ARE CONDUCIVE FOR A TROPICAL DEPRESSION TO FORM DURING THE
NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. THIS WEATHER SYSTEM COULD PRODUCE LOCALLY
HEAVY RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS OVER PORTIONS OF PUERTO RICO...THE
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC...HAITI...AND THE NETHERLANDS ANTILLES DURING THE
NEXT DAY OR SO AS THE SYSTEM MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 TO 15
MPH. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART

[texasmom]

Stay safe DANA!  Great show!

[klaasend]

GREAT SHOW DANA!

Stay safe Dana!

[Gypsy DD]

Texasmom or Klaas, is there a hurricane headed toward Aruba?  24 Ora has a map of something coming there way.



Un ola tropical situa riba parti centra di area di Caribe ta sigui  move den direccion west. Un di dos ola tropical situa riba parti oost di Caribe ta move den direccion west y ta anticipa cu e lo alcanza nos region den e sigiente 24ora. Click lesa mas pa mas detaye.

I saw some thunderstorm alerts earlier, along with more wind than usual and heavy rain.

That is interesting..because Aruba touts itself as always having tradewinds..and no rain..much less thunderstorms or tropical depressions...per travel guides.