Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007

[wreck]

I distinctly recall Anita saying that she and the two younger boys were in Holland for a family reunion when she was talking to Greta at her home.  Remember the interview with Anita and Paulus where Paulus left the room to ostensibly answer the phone and Anita spoke with Greta?  That's the one.

Yes, I remember.

I remember too -- was it from the Garfoyle(sp?) interview w/ Anita that aired on a Saturday? She was in Aruba -- and we commented that she looked preggers.

[Elaine]

anyone who has pictures of themselves on the internet leading their gay lover around with a leash around his neck, pictures of themselves biting crotches, pictures of themselves passed out drunk, and dating women who screw dogs - if you have any or all of the above:

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DEORGATORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF NATALEE"S SKIRT.

Yes and that statement about Deepak bringing two dogs has always concerned me because Fabiene, who somewhat resembled Natalee in stature, etc, liked beastiality.

Well then if she likes beasts so much, she should marry Joran   Hello Monkeys

[blah]

anyone who has pictures of themselves on the internet leading their gay lover around with a leash around his neck, pictures of themselves biting crotches, pictures of themselves passed out drunk, and dating women who screw dogs - if you have any or all of the above:

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DEORGATORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF NATALEE"S SKIRT.

Yes and that statement about Deepak bringing two dogs has always concerned me because Fabiene, who somewhat resembled Natalee in stature, etc, liked beastiality.

Well then if she likes beasts so much, she should marry Joran   Hello Monkeys

there are ALOT of dog references in this case.

[San]

anyone who has pictures of themselves on the internet leading their gay lover around with a leash around his neck, pictures of themselves biting crotches, pictures of themselves passed out drunk, and dating women who screw dogs - if you have any or all of the above:

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DEORGATORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF NATALEE"S SKIRT.

        Right on the money, Blah!

blah this is particularly well said for I think much of this rolled out of Anita's mouth, all the derogatory nearly puritanical comments advancing the double standard of the VDS' do as I say, not as I do.

Anita as I recall seemed so determined to state specific sexual 'fact' to Beth and to Greta, to the degree that Greta stated it made her uncomfortable?

Looking back now through Anita's commentaries it appears it's just wonderful for her delicious sadist/sporter to experiment with all of her new-age mumbo jumbo..........but isn't it interesting how she has tried to cast natalee as 'loose' and a 'ho'.

cut Anita off at the head too I say......she's as diseased as Paulus

Anita was there, she filmed the whole thing, thats why the police took her camera.  Why was her camera at home?  She goes all the way to Holland for a family reunion and doesnt take her camera?  Yeah right.  She was home, with her camera, filming whatever they were doing to Natalee.

This is also why Paulus said he had her cell phone, because when they looked at the phone records, they showed that she was in Aruba.

Anita = the mastermind of the whole sick thing.

Or they looked at the phone records and it didn't show any activity which is what Paulus wanted it to show.  He was trying to divert them away from his phone.

Paulus knew the phone records could be tampered with.  To this very day we still do not have any phone records of Paulus.  His buddy Nelson Odubor fixed that problem for Paulus.

How did Rudy Croes know that Van der Straten was in contact with Paulus.  Someone has these records.

[nonesuche]

I don't think so, Blah.  I think Anita and the two younger boys were in Holland.  They didn't take her camera unless it was Joran's room as they only were allowed to search Joran's room.  I do not believe Anita's list of items taken is altogether accurate.

Remember Joran's remark to Anita "If you were home this wouldn't have happened"

Daddy Paulus wouldn't have been on the prowl.

it all really resonates now doesn't it? that good ole hindsight except so many smart monkeys kept track of what they said, just affirms it all the more !

San I rather like tyler's reference to the plastic coat so use it with my blessing but can we add the plastic coat?  

that was the fashion faux pas of the century equal to her see-through blouses  

[Elaine]

anyone who has pictures of themselves on the internet leading their gay lover around with a leash around his neck, pictures of themselves biting crotches, pictures of themselves passed out drunk, and dating women who screw dogs - if you have any or all of the above:

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DEORGATORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF NATALEE"S SKIRT.

Yes and that statement about Deepak bringing two dogs has always concerned me because Fabiene, who somewhat resembled Natalee in stature, etc, liked beastiality.

Well then if she likes beasts so much, she should marry Joran   Hello Monkeys

there are ALOT of dog references in this case.

Yes there is.

[nonesuche]

San I think Charles Croes, buddy to sit in the office of Jacobs made sure the cell records never delved too deeply. Only he had the actual relationship to accomplish that from the 'inside' with Digicel but Oduber and friends may well have leveraged him to do so....

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi and Bye real quick..

San ..BT and None check email ! TY and ttyl

[blah]

Or they looked at the phone records and it didn't show any activity which is what Paulus wanted it to show.  He was trying to divert them away from his phone.

Paulus knew the phone records could be tampered with.  To this very day we still do not have any phone records of Paulus.  His buddy Nelson Odubor fixed that problem for Paulus.

How did Rudy Croes know that Van der Straten was in contact with Paulus.  Someone has these records.

thats a good possibility also.

[wreck]

anyone who has pictures of themselves on the internet leading their gay lover around with a leash around his neck, pictures of themselves biting crotches, pictures of themselves passed out drunk, and dating women who screw dogs - if you have any or all of the above:

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DEORGATORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF NATALEE"S SKIRT.

Yes and that statement about Deepak bringing two dogs has always concerned me because Fabiene, who somewhat resembled Natalee in stature, etc, liked beastiality.

Well then if she likes beasts so much, she should marry Joran   Hello Monkeys

there are ALOT of dog references in this case.

Absolutely!!! From day one -- all we heard was "dead dog" blood on the mattress, dead dogs in abandoned buildings, dead dogs in the street, ETc. etc. etc.!!!!!!!  

[Elaine]

I don't think so, Blah.  I think Anita and the two younger boys were in Holland.  They didn't take her camera unless it was Joran's room as they only were allowed to search Joran's room.  I do not believe Anita's list of items taken is altogether accurate.

Remember Joran's remark to Anita "If you were home this wouldn't have happened"

Daddy Paulus wouldn't have been on the prowl.

it all really resonates now doesn't it? that good ole hindsight except so many smart monkeys kept track of what they said, just affirms it all the more !

San I rather like tyler's reference to the plastic coat so use it with my blessing but can we add the plastic coat?  

that was the fashion faux pas of the century equal to her see-through blouses  

Her and her skunky butt self..

[Elaine]

I don't think so, Blah.  I think Anita and the two younger boys were in Holland.  They didn't take her camera unless it was Joran's room as they only were allowed to search Joran's room.  I do not believe Anita's list of items taken is altogether accurate.

Remember Joran's remark to Anita "If you were home this wouldn't have happened"

Daddy Paulus wouldn't have been on the prowl.

it all really resonates now doesn't it? that good ole hindsight except so many smart monkeys kept track of what they said, just affirms it all the more !

San I rather like tyler's reference to the plastic coat so use it with my blessing but can we add the plastic coat?  

that was the fashion faux pas of the century equal to her see-through blouses  

Her and her skunky butt self..

Meaning Anita.

[robots]

PAUL-USELESS is ON the VIDEO in the CASINO


if it isnt him, i will eat my EYE BALL


 

If it isn't Paulus in the casino  I'll ear Robots eyeball

 

[MuffyBee]

Hi Monkeys  

[San]

Hi Monkeys  

Hi Muffy, I didn't shoot anyone today

[MuffyBee]

Hi Monkeys  

Hi Muffy, I didn't shoot anyone today

You savin' up your firepower San?

[blah]

PAUL-USELESS is ON the VIDEO in the CASINO


if it isnt him, i will eat my EYE BALL


 

If it isn't Paulus in the casino  I'll ear Robots eyeball

 

What are the odds that some dude that looks exactly like Paulus, wearing the same shirt Paulus likes to wear, sits down at the blackjack table next to Natalee and Joran the same night Paulus admitted to being there with Joran?  What are the odds that this happens on a night where Paulus lies about what time he picked Joran up?  What are the odds that all this happens on an island with a population of 70,000 people?  What are the odds that Natalee disappears while in the company of Paulus' son that same night?


I'll eat BOTH Robots eyes if that aint Paulus!!!!

 

[Kermit]

I asked Shizaru and he said yes, the translation is correct.

In his 6/13 PV Joran does say that he could have told Freddy the HI story on monday.

Well, if Joran admits that he could have told Freddy the story on monday afternoon/evening then it follows that he knew Natalee was missing.

MONDAY:

JORAN WAS PICKED UP FROM SCHOOL FOR QUESTIONING.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn't told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn't aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


MELODY states:
"his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your story more believable right? Posted by: Melody | August 14, 2005 04:26 AM

[klaasend]

I asked Shizaru and he said yes, the translation is correct.

In his 6/13 PV Joran does say that he could have told Freddy the HI story on monday.

Well, if Joran admits that he could have told Freddy the story on monday afternoon/evening then it follows that he knew Natalee was missing.

MONDAY:

JORAN WAS PICKED UP FROM SCHOOL FOR QUESTIONING.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn't told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn't aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


MELODY states:
"his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your story more believable right? Posted by: Melody | August 14, 2005 04:26 AM

From Joran's book - Freddy's statements:

In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statement that I have told him that Natalee had went unconscious several times and did not recover anymore at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.

Part from Freddy's second (June 13) statement (page 161) :
During the entire conversation Joran mentioned "We" not "I", also when he said that "We" had left the girl behind.
Joran did not tell me the girl was dead. He never used the word "dead". He also did not say if he checked her wrists to see if she still had a wrist-beat (pulse-beat/heartbeat), and if she was still breathing.

[bleachedblack]

PAUL-USELESS is ON the VIDEO in the CASINO


if it isnt him, i will eat my EYE BALL


 

If it isn't Paulus in the casino  I'll ear Robots eyeball

 

I'd blame my laptop but it's pointless......it's me, i can't type for chit