Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[canoworms]

Magnolia I brought him up but no one responded. I will look for the video of him.

Well, now he has gone from just some guy Joran met in the Casino to the latest version of the security guards?

I am waiting to see what they find out about Garcia. Curious.

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice
for Natalee and Stephany!

[Anna]

Selena, What who finds out about Garcia?  The PLE or the Dutch reporters?

Is there anything to find out?

I kind of think Joran is trying to set him up same as he did the security guards.  Maybe he was collecting gambling debt from Joran?

Or is it all just grasping at straws?

[klaasend]

Hello Monkeys!  Can someone please provide a link or post any maps that pertain to the NH case - such as location of fisherman's hut, Holiday Inn, VDS residence, etc.  

I am sure I have just overlooked the thread and any help would be very much appreciated!  

Good to see you KCJackie!  Check in the Important Case Document area.  Also you can google Maps Aruba and you will see several tourist maps that show most of the locations:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0

http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/attractionsmap.html

http://www.visitaruba.com/accommodations/hotels-and-resorts-map/

[canoworms]

Selena, What who finds out about Garcia?  The PLE or the Dutch reporters?

Is there anything to find out?

I kind of think Joran is trying to set him up same as he did the security guards.  Maybe he was collecting gambling debt from Joran?

Or is it all just grasping at straws?

Maybe there is nothing more to know. He supposedly played poker with Joran and Stephany, May 27th. He was worried they were kidnapped- alledgedly. He tapped out of the tournament on the 26th, I think, supposedly checked out of the TAC on the Sunday before the murder and was told by the police not to leave the country.
Maybe it's a big nothing.
I just noticed that he was Albanian and I read that the Albanians are connected to the Toronto arm of the Cuarentas of Aruban notoriety.
something rings a bell.

[carpe noctem]

It is out of the old play book... the one that was used in Aruba.

Let`s see what we can find wrong with the security cams.

The video footage.

Who was with Joran? Can we cast doubt blame and suspicion on these people?

Let`s get them looking in as many possible directions as we can.

Meanwhile, we are furiously hard at work behind the curtain trying

to set a two time homicidal maniac loose on the public, once again.

It will not work twice.

[KCJackie]

Hello Monkeys!  Can someone please provide a link or post any maps that pertain to the NH case - such as location of fisherman's hut, Holiday Inn, VDS residence, etc. 

I am sure I have just overlooked the thread and any help would be very much appreciated! 

Good to see you KCJackie!  Check in the Important Case Document area.  Also you can google Maps Aruba and you will see several tourist maps that show most of the locations:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0

Thank You Klaas! 

[Reno]

Marriage proposals for Joran van der Sloot

(Novum) - Joran van der Sloot has since he is in prison for several marriage proposals of Peruvian women had.  To sue his a letter to his attorney, he Tuesday in an interview in The Telegraph.

 He has much to offer them time being. He suggested would with a watery tea and dry bread. In the afternoon he gets rice and beans. In addition, extra food they buy.

Van der Sloot, the newspaper realizes that many Peruvians have his blood to drink. In prison, he remains therefore preferred in the current cell where he sits in prison because he was not very popular.

His neighbor, an assassin, would occasionally "jokes" that make him best for $ 75,000 to murder.  "But I can do to find him."

Earlier, De Telegraaf already known that Van der Sloot claims he only signed a confession statement, because he was promised that he would be entitled to the Netherlands. Now he says that they were threatened during interrogations, his head in a bucket of water to stop if he was not cooperating. He would not be abused.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rssonline.nl%2Frel_5389724_joran-bekende-alleen-om-uitlevering.aspx&sl=nl&tl=en

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Crazy stuff coming out of the netherlands

[carpe noctem]

When you FOCUS on the kill.

Nothing else exists.

[canoworms]

carpe,
I am not thinking he did anything to Stephany, just that he happened to be in Jorans cellphone and stayed at the same place at the same time. He's a poker player and so is Joran. His name could be Joe Schmoe and no one cares. I am just curious to see if he has any ties to Aruba, Posner, et al.

[Anna]

Selena, Wasn't there an Albanian killed in an elevator in one of the hotels in Aruba once?  Or was that a Bulgarian?  Some mob connection or other.

Can't remember now. . .

[carpe noctem]

carpe,
I am not thinking he did anything to Stephany, just that he happened to be in Jorans cellphone and stayed at the same place at the same time. He's a poker player and so is Joran. His name could be Joe Schmoe and no one cares. I am just curious to see if he has any ties to Aruba, Posner, et al.

Gotcha, Selena. I wasn`t pointing those posts at you. I just see Joran and his crew at work throwing dopplegangers and ghost bogey men out there.

...and I would like for them to hear loud and clear...

This time, we are going to pave this mother.

His deal is going to be sealed.

He can take as many out with him as he likes.

[canoworms]

Selena, Wasn't there an Albanian killed in an elevator in one of the hotels in Aruba once?  Or was that a Bulgarian?  Some mob connection or other.

Can't remember now. . .

I remember something like that, too. I'm just waiting to see what develops. Maybe nothing. Joran acted alone and on his own volition, no one set him up. But I could see something else happening that would make him whack out and it would be more than a gambling addiction and that would be a gambling debt that he can't pay. Maybe someone cqalled in his marker and it made him feel watched, suspicious, etc....but then it is Joran and he pissed off a few people in Aruba and Paul isn't there to pay people off or grant them favors, Anita is " done" with him.
Too many Aruban nightmares...maybe he is nothing.

[nonesuche]

CBB poor you ! I hope they leave quickly tomorrow!

I'm still working but daughter sent me this too, it's actually a good review of the mental illness disability that Anita's trying to affect for her sporter, by an expert that blows holes in it. Caution though, at the end he does mention Natalee's whereabouts as possible leverage........

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/van-der-sloot-framed-10968714

As for the video, I was relieved to see one of the reports posted today mentioning Stephany and Joran having met several days earlier than the 30th at the casino, and having interacted for "several days". That means that casino video is yielding value and I don't think the sporter can allege the FBI tinkered with that too.

He's very paranoid but then, he's guilty of some heinous crimes so why wouldn't he see a ghost around every corner?

[canoworms]

Oh thank you Carpe! Please don't banish me to the whackadoodle room!
)

[canoworms]

On that note I'm off to bed. Must be the five year anniversary getting to me.
)
Selena

[nonesuche]

carpe,
I am not thinking he did anything to Stephany, just that he happened to be in Jorans cellphone and stayed at the same place at the same time. He's a poker player and so is Joran. His name could be Joe Schmoe and no one cares. I am just curious to see if he has any ties to Aruba, Posner, et al.

Gotcha, Selena. I wasn`t pointing those posts at you. I just see Joran and his crew at work throwing dopplegangers and ghost bogey men out there.

...and I would like for them to hear loud and clear...

This time, we are going to pave this mother.

His deal is going to be sealed.

He can take as many out with him as he likes.

LOL I had just posted about ghosts prior to reading your post.

One has to wonder how the rest of the general prison population will feel about Joran knowing he's getting 'special privileges' they are not? I suspect that won't sit well with them and may increase their motivation to harm him - much less if they hear he's getting paid handsomely for his jailhouse interviews.

I bet Joran hears footsteps all day, all night, and they aren't just his new rat bunkmates either.

[Jo-An]

I got the paper version of De Telegraaf right here and what they say about Elton Garcia is this:

-when the police questioned him, he had on him all the papers (I think what they mean by papers is identification etc.) of an FBI-agent, suggesting that he in fact is an FBI-agent
-they suggest that they wanted to continue the sting operation that started in Aruba, in Peru, so Joran could be extradited to the US at some point
-Elton Garcia invited Joran to Peru, paying for everything
-Elton and Joran didn't know each other very well, but Elton was the one who called the hotel on Tuesday asking for Joran
-Joran now feels/knows he was being set up by this Garcia guy - in order to continue the sting operation in Peru

So, Stephany was probably the factor that they didn't take into account... poor girl...


Got to get to work now, will try to translate the whole interview later.
But I scanned the last few pages here and I think most of it is already posted here.

[akmom]

Anita Van der sloot furiously at work trying to get her son mental help.

Date: April 25,2010


She was working on it at the International School of Aruba`s PTO Bingo Game.

Place: Westin Resort Aruba



http://www.isaruba.com/Students%20life/Pictures/quarter4.html#

Honestly, this picture scares the BEJEESus out of me.......does anyone else look at this picture and see evil...... Oh, and Anita......I see now.....you haven't seen Joran in a while........here you are busily ignoring him.......dear God, what monsters......

[akmom]

I got the paper version of De Telegraaf right here and what they say about Elton Garcia is this:

-when the police questioned him, he had on him all the papers (I think what they mean by papers is identification etc.) of an FBI-agent, suggesting that he in fact is an FBI-agent
-they suggest that they wanted to continue the sting operation that started in Aruba, in Peru, so Joran could be extradited to the US at some point
-Elton Garcia invited Joran to Peru, paying for everything
-Elton and Joran didn't know each other very well, but Elton was the one who called the hotel on Tuesday asking for Joran
-Joran now feels/knows he was being set up by this Garcia guy - in order to continue the sting operation in Peru

So, Stephany was probably the factor that they didn't take into account... poor girl...


Got to get to work now, will try to translate the whole interview later.
But I scanned the last few pages here and I think most of it is already posted here.

Holy crap, I hope this is not true...thanks for bringing this....he would have murdered again, but......